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Insider accounts from a lonely man
A Benedictine monk, a musician and a scholar, former Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland does more than merely trace his life in the church in his just released autobiography: A Pilgrim in a Pilgrim Church: Memoirs of a Catholic Archbishop (Eerdmans, $35). He provides excellent -- if sometimes chilling insights -- into U.S. episcopal-Vatican relations, including his own frosty relationship with John Paul II and some Vatican officials. At home, many in the Milwaukee may find he too glibly glosses over his appropriating $450,000 in archdiocesan funds to pay off his sexual accuser, Paul Marcoux. In 2002, Weakland’s resignation as Milwaukee archbishop was accepted immediately following public disclosure -- on ABC’s “Good Morning America” -- of that relationship.
The reader gets to meet many people in Weakland’s life in the church, but not to know any of them. This lack of memorable sketches of others leaves the impression of a lonely man, somewhat elitist, who oscillates between kindly consideration and a fierce determination to defend his turf. The book’s lasting impact likely will be its insider accounts of the viciousness of church life, from the willingness with which the John Paul II pontificate accepted unsubstantiated and/or anonymous grievances against those disliked for doctrinal reasons, to the Stepford wives-like conformity at some levels of Vatican itself. An extended review of the book will appear in a forthcoming issue.
-- Arthur Jones, book editor
Excerpt: Archbishop Weakland: an insider account
The following excerpt is from the autobiography of Benedictine Rembert G. Weakland, former archbishop of Milwaukee. (A Pilgrim in a Pilgrim Church, © 2009 Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. Reproduced by permission of the publisher; all rights reserved.) It is from the chapter “Learning to be an Archbishop.”
In June 1979, I was back in Rome to receive from Pope John Paul II a pallium, a woolen stole worn by residential archbishops (metropolitans). No matter where I went or to whom I was speaking -- cardinals or minutanti (the lowest officials) -- I heard the same story: Many negative rumors were circulating in the curia about what was happening in the archdiocese of Milwaukee. The pope was displeased with me.
To obtain some clarification I went to see Cardinal Sebastiano Baggio, prefect of the Congregation for Bishops. With remarkable bluntness he told me I had done two things that had raised eyebrows: I had held a dinner at the seminary for resigned priests and their wives and I had appointed a resigned priest to a chancery position. Several times, he repeated that there had been many objections from a number of cardinals in the United States and Rome to my being named Milwaukee’s archbishop. (He verified rumors that I had heard.)
He told me that these objections were based on an interview I had given the National Catholic Reporter some years before. I had said that I saw no convincing theological reasons against women’s ordination, but added that there were many sociological and psychological barriers to be overcome.
Baggio told me that he had consulted those who knew me well; all of them agreed that Weakland in his heart of hearts probably favors the ordination of women, but that he would not act outside the episcopal body or without Rome’s consent. This response satisfied any doubts or hesitation that Pope Paul VI may have been harboring.
Because of this background Baggio admonished me to “keep my nose clean” (non creare fastidi). With similar frankness he told me how difficult it had become for him now to defend the decisions of local bishops, especially those in the United States. Complaints from disparate sources frequently arrived directly on the pope’s desk, especially through the Polish community resident in Rome. They were acted upon before his office had a chance to clarify matters with the bishop in question.
In my case, he told me that frequent complaints arrived from Msgr. Alphonse Popek, a Polish pastor in Milwaukee. These complaints were disseminated by Popek’s contact persons in Rome.
How seriously should I react to these rumors?
Wanting further advice, I consulted Cardinal Agostino Casaroli, who had been named secretary of state following the death of my friend Cardinal Jean-Marie Villot. I also wanted to talk with him about the U.S. church, how I found the situation on my return after an absence of 10 years.
He quickly dismissed the rumors concerning some of my administrative decisions, and asked to hear about the church in the United States. He listened carefully, interposing here and there pertinent questions, and saying several times how difficult it was for him to obtain a clear picture of what was happening in the States. He urged me to talk to Msgr. (now Cardinal) Justin Rigali (archbishop of Philadelphia), the person in charge of the English-speaking desk in the Secretariat of State, who, Casaroli pointed out, was the pope’s chief interpreter of the American church, and who should hear my point of view.
I agreed and he arranged for me to go directly down the hall to a small, dark waiting room where Rigali received me. He did most of the talking, confident he was well informed about the situation in the States and in Milwaukee in particular. His advice for me was unequivocal and could be summed up briefly as follows: I should seek to follow clearly in all matters the Holy Father’s mind as seen through the documents of the curia and conform myself to them for the sake of unity in the church’s teaching body, or magisterium; I should demonstrate absolute loyalty to the Holy See and inculcate such loyalty in my people; I should become a paragon of doctrinal orthodoxy in my teaching and writings, relying principally on the teachings of the pope and the curia. In this way my diocese and the church in the United States would be unified and strong.
This refrain would be repeated to me by other curial officials many times in the years ahead. Whenever in subsequent visits I tried to bring up in conversation with members of the curia the question of collegiality between the pope and the bishops or among the bishops themselves, I was called “ideological.”
After the pallium ceremony, and before leaving Rome, I had a private audience with Pope John Paul II. He received separately the nine archbishops to whom he had given palliums. I had arrived, naively as it turned out, with a list of issues I wanted to discuss. First on my list was to draw out his views on the concept of collegiality with the bishops and how it might function. I soon realized that the audience was a visita di cortesia (a courtesy call), and my attempts to bring up substantial issues were fruitless. He said I should return to these issues at a later date. He also waved off the “Polish affair” I had stumbled into and did not want to discuss it.
Then, out of nowhere he asked me two questions. “How long have you been a bishop?” and then just grunted when I responded, “Less than two years.” “And how long were you abbot primate of the Benedictines before that?” “Ten years,” I responded. That provoked another grunt, but no comment.
At that meeting he never looked me in the eye and never betrayed his feelings, a behavior I had noticed in Poland. That trait and the ambiguous grunting I then assumed he had acquired as a survival technique under the communist regime. We had the usual photo opportunities and that ended the audience.
As I boarded the flight to Milwaukee and reflected on the trip, I realized that this visit had left me perplexed and a bit unnerved. I was not surprised to learn that my appointment to Milwaukee had not been well received by many in the curia. But I decided not to take their reactions too seriously, since I had a genuine distaste for the credence they gave to rumors and gossip. Of one thing I was sure: In the future, every opinion I uttered would be meticulously scrutinized by the curia, especially any statements on women’s ordination or the possibility of the ordination of married men.
Archbishop Rembert Weakland presides at a Mass of ordination for new priests May 18, 2002, in Milwaukee. (CNS/Reuters)I felt a bit disillusioned on my return home, but made up my mind that I would do my best for the faithful and the priests of Milwaukee and not let myself be put in a dehumanizing straitjacket.
I finally realized that the days of Pope Paul VI were over. I had moved from being an insider in his pontificate to an outsider in the new one. Though I had not fully analyzed the consequences, I could see that I would have to deal with this in the future. In my heart I knew that I would probably reject the advice of Rigali, and at my own peril; ultimately it became evident that he was outlining how the reign of Pope John Paul II would function. He was correct. ...
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In December 1979, I found myself again on the way to Rome to confront Pope John Paul II. The difficulty centered on the appointment of Fr. Richard Sklba as my auxiliary bishop; he was the seminary rector. Archbishop Jean Jadot, the apostolic delegate, had made a thorough inquiry among priests and laity, both in the archdiocese and outside among seminary rectors, before placing Sklba’s name first in the terna he sent to Rome.
Rome had approved Sklba’s nomination, but, one week before his ordination as bishop and long after his appointment had been made public and the invitations to all the U.S. bishops sent out, the pope canceled the ordination.
Sklba had chaired a committee of American biblical scholars who issued a document stating that from a strictly biblical point of view, the ordination of women could not be decided one way or the other. But a codicil was added that upset the pope: The committee further stated that a positive answer would be more in keeping with the biblical evidence. Sources in Milwaukee had faxed this information to one of the pope’s secretaries who, in turn, had placed it on the pope’s desk. Pope John Paul II made the decision to cancel the ordination.
I flew with Sklba to Rome for a painful few days during which I vented my displeasure to Casaroli and Baggio. Both were helpful in acting as shuttles between the pope and us. Although I asked for a personal audience with the pope, Casaroli responded that he did not think it was wise for me to see the pope one-on-one, since, as he said, “both of you are too angry to bring about any positive results.” He also relayed that the Holy Father had stated that he would permit a theologian to have a position in this matter different from his own, but not a bishop. Casaroli added, “Even though we both know that this is not de fide definita,” a phrase that means “defined as an article of faith.”
Several times Sklba was required to write up his position on the ordination of women, each draft of which was taken to the pope by Casaroli. The pope kept rejecting these versions until late Saturday night when he finally gave in. Our plane left early Sunday morning, with the ordination scheduled for the following Wednesday. The process was impersonal, demeaning, unjust, and, most of all, lacking in any human sensitivity or concern for the life and reputation of Sklba. Moreover, the event confirmed a growing tendency in Rome to give credence to a powerful network of unofficial complaints that were influencing papal decisions.
I am forever grateful that Sklba became my auxiliary bishop. It is impossible for me to exaggerate the role he played in the archdiocese during the 23 years we worked together. Not only did he keep me from making many mistakes as an outsider, but with his thoughtful and positive approach to our ministry, he contributed to making my years as bishop a deeply rewarding experience. His knowledge of scripture and his personal sanctity were always evident. In this selection as auxiliary bishop, God was indeed good to me -- and to the people of Milwaukee.
The energy that went into clearing his name that week in Rome was more than worth the effort. It is true that he was not Polish but Slovak; that may have miffed some of the Polish pastors.
How long I reflected and prayed over the events of this brief but exceedingly disturbing visit to Rome! That trip galvanized me: I had to think out more precisely how I would offer my service as a bishop. I had dreamt of a functioning collegially among the bishops “with and under the pope,” one that would not reduce individual bishops to mere spokespersons for the curia but see them as true collaborators. As a bishop, the least I had expected was that my opinions and ideas would be listened to as coming from an equal. Now, I had to take more time to think how the church after Vatican II should function. ...
* * *
One of my priorities as a bishop was to participate fully in the work of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, headquartered in Washington. The full body of bishops, numbering around 280 at that time, met twice a year, each meeting lasting several days. To me this was an example of collegiality; thus participation for me was obligatory.
When I joined the conference in 1977, I was impressed by the competency of its staff; all were acknowledged experts in their fields. In my 25 years as bishop I missed only one conference meeting, that held in the spring of 1996 when I was on sabbatical.
Whenever I was asked to do anything in the conference, I willingly accepted. For example, in November 1978 the bishops elected me, still a newcomer, to chair for a three-year term the bishops’ liturgy committee. It was a busy committee: translations had to be approved and the proper liturgical books printed. But it was material I knew. Moreover, its staff, Frs. Thomas Krosnicki [of the Society of the Divine Word], and John Guerrieri, excelled in every way.
The main concern I had to deal with in those three years was “inclusive language” in translations, a new phenomenon that could have been marked “tread lightly.” Specifically, the neuralgic point was the words of consecration in the institutional narrative of the Eucharist that contained the phrase “for all men.” After extensive debate, the body of bishops voted to drop the word “men” and Rome approved.
In the bishops’ meeting of November 1980, because of many liturgical issues, I happened to be on the floor more than usual guiding the discussion. At that same meeting the bishops voted overwhelmingly for a statement condemning Marxism. After that vote Peter Rosazza, a young auxiliary bishop of Hartford, Conn., rose to make the suggestion that we write a letter on capitalism, since that is “what the bishops of the world would expect of American bishops.” It was a fine idea and the vote to do so was positive.
At that same meeting the bishops voted to write a letter on peace and the nuclear threat. It too passed overwhelmingly. Rosazza’s proposal would drastically affect the next six years of my life. Little did I realize what I was getting into. (I give a full account of the economic pastoral, its process and outcome, in Chapter 12.) ...
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Every five years I dutifully sent to Rome a lengthy report on the state of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee as requested by church law. Then, about six months later, I would make a trip there together with all the other bishops of the region. After the aborted visit of 1978, I made four such trips -- in 1983, 1988, 1993 and 1998. Each time, we bishops would meet as a group with various curial officials in selected congregations. The bishop or archbishop of each diocese would also be granted a private audience of 10 to 15 minutes with the pope -- a visit that became a mere formality since there was not sufficient time for any real dialogue.
Some of us suggested we forgo these short visits so that the whole group could have time for a lengthy serious dialogue with the pope on the urgent issues the Catholic Church in the United States faced, but that suggestion was not looked upon favorably.
On every ad limina trip without exception, I noticed that I would be singled out (the other bishops were never aware of this) and told to meet privately with Baggio in the Congregation for Bishops (or later with his successor Cardinal Bernardin Gantin in that same congregation) and then with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Upon arrival at their offices, I would be presented with a list of complaints. These were actions or decisions of mine that seemed to irritate the pope and members of the curia. I always felt a need to stand tall and not be intimidated, making it clear by my demeanor and responses that I was engaging in a conversation as bishop to bishop and not as a “branch manager to the head office.”
Ratzinger, then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the former Holy Office or Office of the Inquisition), later Pope Benedict XVI, always treated me professionally and respectfully. The first time we met, in 1983, he had some of his staff present, but after that we always met alone. Although in private we sometimes spoke German together, when it came to these official meetings, he would slip into Italian where I was more comfortable and where he would not have a decided advantage. The complaints raised against me, it was evident, were provided by someone from Milwaukee who was monitoring my every word and action, mostly through the local diocesan and secular newspapers. Almost all the programs and lectures sponsored by the archdiocese, especially on sexuality, were being monitored. The cardinal never referred to scurrilous negative articles about me in ultraconservative Catholic papers published outside the archdiocese. Moreover, he made clear distinctions between matters that were of a dogmatic nature and those that were questions of pastoral judgment.
No real process was involved in these meetings; they just seemed like a friendly conversation, one that was not accusatory or threatening. Yet I knew better than to let the elegant atmosphere of that sitting room with its gilded baroque chairs covered in red damask seduce me into thinking these discussions were idle chatter.
In that first meeting in 1983 the cardinal brought up, as I had expected, complaints about the teaching of certain professors in the various colleges and universities in the archdiocese of Milwaukee. He was always concerned about the question of women’s ordination and mentioned that I should not raise false hopes that this might change even in a new pontificate. He was sensitive to the practice of inter-communion that, on some occasions, had been practiced by some priests of the archdiocese. As I expected from previous correspondence, he raised the question of the employment of resigned priests in the archdiocesan offices. I reiterated that I followed the policy set down by my predecessor, Archbishop [William] Cousins, namely, that, if the priest was officially laicized, I would not hesitate to hire him for a position that met the criteria set down in the document granting the dispensation. Finally, he brought up the complaints about the sex education courses. Since I had sent him all that material and he had responded that his experts found no fault with the contents, he did not dwell on that issue.
On every topic, I would distinguish facts from whatever gossip his informants may have picked up, clarify the record where the information was false or faulty, and then defend my actions if I thought the issues at hand involved a prudential judgment that was the prerogative of the local bishop. Finally I would concede if there were something I had not taken care of that I should have. I can honestly say I never feared these meetings. If they were meant to intimidate me, I certainly did not let them do so. Ratzinger knew that no bishop could control all that happened in his diocese, having been himself the archbishop of Munich. When he would raise a point like girls serving at Mass, I could point out similar things happening in Rome, sometimes in the very shadow of St. Peter’s Basilica.
It is true that I never was informed who had sent in the complaints or saw them ahead of time, but the large number of Xerox copies of articles from Milwaukee newspapers that he had before him made it clear that they came from someone in the archdiocese itself. As an aside, I can say that in all honesty I felt Ratzinger’s heart was not in this kind of policing, if that is the right word for what was going on. I always assumed then and still do that he was carrying out papal orders.
After meeting in 1983 with Ratzinger I was asked to visit Baggio in the Congregation for Bishops where the same subjects were covered. During that visit in September of 1983, I heard many stories circulating in the curia about the dinner for resigned priests, most of them untrue. In all honesty I had to admit I was upset with the negative attitudes I found in Rome toward those who had left active ministry, almost as if they were to be ostracized or treated as lepers. Although I never held the view that the best had left -- as some were inclined to say -- I did regret the inestimable loss to the church of many very competent and faith-filled ministers.
For the private audience with the Holy Father, I had made a list of items I wanted to talk about. He seemed more relaxed in his manner of receiving bishops now, but commented very little on anything I said. The economic pastoral did not come up at all in the conversation. When I touched a delicate point like the role of women in the church or his resistance to permitting resigned priests to return to the lay state, he just cast his eyes down, crossed his arms, and grunted. At that time Pope John Paul II had taken a more restrictive stance toward priests asking to leave active ministry, probably thinking he could put a stop to the hemorrhaging by denying dispensations. It wasn’t working and only more deeply hurt those leaving.
At the end of that ad limina visit we bishops had the customary lunch with the pope. As we were finished eating, he asked if anyone wanted to bring up any specific issue not yet talked about. I swallowed a few times and then placed on the table the practice of not granting dispensations for resigned priests. I mentioned how, as a result, many excellent men and women were hurting. He went around the table asking the other bishops if they also knew of such men. Almost everyone replied in the affirmative. At the end, slouching in his chair, with elbows on the table and arms intertwined, he simply said: “But I’m hurting too,” and ended the discussion.





I really hope that NCR takes
I really hope that NCR takes as hard a line on Archbishop Weakland as they have on Cardinal Law and Irish Church regarding sexual abuse. Archbishop Weakland, by his own admission, was every bit as complicit as Cardinal Law in refusing to remove priest abusers. The only difference is that Cardinal Law was not, himself, a sexual predator. By all accounts, Archbishop Weakland was.
Ungenerous in attitude. We
Ungenerous in attitude. We are all sinners on daily basis. I doubt if ever a priest or deacon has lived without serious sin, doubt, confusion and terror. If you decide that this first stone ought to be cast by one who has never sinned, that is your choice. The Archbishop has done great service to the Church by enlarging its dialogue with issues that must be faced, if not by you and me, then certainly by our heirs to the Church.
Wow. Where were similar
Wow. Where were similar comments in defense of Cardinal Law, a man who has given great service to the Church through his firm defense of orthodoxy and his genuine pastoral zeal (at least when he was bishop of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, where they still speak of him, all these years later, with deep and abiding affection)?
I agree, we are all sinners and I admit that I am first among that group. However, my point was that it seems people are willing to forgive and forget when it comes to Weakland; but when it is Cardinal Law, people can hardly wait to assail him, demean him, attack and slander him. The truth is that both bishops were guilty of the same negligence when it comes to priest abusers. Yet, one, because he has enlarged "the dialogue with issues that must be faced" and has proven time and again his disloyalty and heterodoxy, is a hero and forgiven all his foibles; while the other, a man of deep faith and genuine loyalty to the Holy Father and the Church, yet also guilty of serious misjudgment and negligence, is publicly attacked and castigated.
For a group of folks who talk about justice, there is no justice here, only venom for the Church and hatred for her ministers who defend and faithfully teach her truths.
what "people?" what "group of
what "people?"
what "group of folk?"
what "disloyalty and heterodoxy?"
what "deep faith and genuine loyalty?" To whom?
what "venom for the Church?"
what "hatred?"
In reparation for all of your admitted sins and hatreds ("I agree, we are all sinners and I admit that I am first among that group") you are assigned of the Revwerend Fater Charles Curran's Loyal Dissent and Faithful Dissent
what "people?" Why, people
what "people?" Why, people like you Poorest and your confreres of spinners who are quick to forgive, forget and even bend the truth for His Excellency for his cover-up and surreptitious use of Archdiocesan funds for his own protection, but vilify His Eminence who, at least, didn’t have his hand in the till (a man nonetheless due his vilification, IMHO)
what "group of folk?" Why the “apologists” for the left on NCR, like yourself
what "disloyalty and heterodoxy?" As to disloyalty, this hatchet job of a book is ample evidence - just read the excerpt. Also, if you take the time to read this excerpt, you will find he was exhorted several times to become a “paragon of doctrinal orthodoxy” which he opposed and clearly disliked.
what "deep faith and genuine loyalty?" To whom? Eh? The Church – see above.
what "venom for the Church?" Perhaps your problem is an inability to read, since venom for the Church is oozing from the very excerpt as well as the writings of His Excellency’s supporters.
what "hatred?" Perhaps “hatred” is a tad hyperbolic, but disdain is surely evident. Of course, it’s a debater’s trick to parse words when he is losing.
In reparation for all of your continued non-admittance of your sins and disdain, you are assigned to read and documents of the Sacred Vatican Council II with a hermeneutic of continuity with the Tradition of the Church – and not discontinuity.
Dear Brother Clint, How
Dear Brother Clint,
How wonderful to hear you are Benedictine Oblate, under Saint Meinrad's, and thus you know the great debt we in all humility owe our wonderful and gifted Abbot Primate Rembert Weaklnad, OSB, and realize the great sacrifice he so generously made in leaving the happy safety of the cloister to serve our Holy Mother Church as fully as she asked.
I pray that, a wealthy Benedictine House in New Jersey having closed its cloister gates to our Abbot Primate for fear of wealthy benefactors, you might prevail upon Saint Meinrad's to receive him most humbly, with the greatest respect, in deepest gratitude as unlike certain more politically favored Cardinals, he has no golden parachute to cover him now in his great age and nakedness.
Please forgive me one doubt, Brother Oblate, and that is that you document your statements. I find you often write the most painful things, without documentation, and I fear losing my faith in your word, my Brother, and I beg you cast at your feet for your forgiveness in this. Help me in my unbelief by documenting what you say. Certainly Cardinal Law as chief priest in one of the loveliest and most majestic Basilicas in all of Rome and Outside the Walls, on all the Seven Hills, which it was my great honor and most undesereved joy to visit over 35 years ago on my curlicue way to a canonical year in Solesmes, has his present comfort, served as he is by his MExican nuns.
The least we can do for our great Abbot Primate, long-noted liturgist, is find him one small bare cell, one tight choir stall, in his own Saint Meinrad's. I beg him come to my desert hermitage, but fear the accomodations mighty rugged for his highly refined requirements, yet I beg he here should come to accompany me and to instruct me and to guide me upon our long and pilgrim route which leads to the Kingdom. As our Holy Father Saint Benedict prayed in the little Rule for Monks over 1500 years ago, may we all get there together. It is the only way any one of us will.
your poorest brother,
frere charles
Dear Poorest, Your concern
Dear Poorest,
Your concern and selflessness, your very prose skimming across the internet, is a gift that I find makes my day. No doubt you can contact His Excellency. Invite him to come live with you. I feel certain a no more appropriate arrangement comes to mind.
What proof do you have that
What proof do you have that Archbishop Weakland was a sexual predator? I have know this man for many years. He is never been a predator, but only an honorable man who cares deeply about people. I can only think that you are a sick and angry person to suggest such an awful idea. Shame on you!
The Catechism of the Catholic
The Catechism of the Catholic Church was written to cast in stone the many issues that are still subject to varying opinion in the Church. It was meant to stifle dissent; not to encourage the freedom of the Holy Spirit among the faithful. There is a "sensus fidelium," but it has been systematically burried in favor of central authority. Archbishop Weakland deserves much credit for his willingness to stand up for collegiality...a fruit of Vatican II that has been set aside by Rome. God help those of us who have been struggling to remain in the Church after years of abused power at the top.
Jack
When was the last time a
When was the last time a prelate wrote such a candid and illuminating
memoir? If this excerpt is representative of the entire book, we are in Archbishop Weakland's debt for giving us such a detailed and insightful account of a troubled era.
Not to mention "one sided"
Not to mention "one sided" account, to boot!!
have you read it? or do you
have you read it?
or do you simply skim aroud taking pot shots anonymously?
I recommend you also read Paul Wilkes' book as well
Dear Poorest I do few thing
Dear Poorest
I do few thing "aroud"
It seems you too are afflicted with the occasional typo!
I always thought falling off high horses hurt, but you keep coming back:
Accusations surrounding typos - then you make one. Defending HE against the claims he used Archdiocesan funds - then finding out he actually did use Archdiocesan funds! Berating others for posts without outside support - then doing the same!
Beam and mote, Poorest one, beam and mote.
Dear Poorest Do you deny he's
Dear Poorest
Do you deny he's autobiography is one sided? What makes you think he consulted with HHJPII or HHBXVI or any others? What makes you think His Excellency took into account their perspective? Again, in your headlong dive into Weakland hagiography you ignore the obvious - autobiographies are necessarily suspect because they are one sided.
or do you simply try to deflect obvious legitimate criticism with other unrelated issues.
Dear NCR, Thank you for such
Dear NCR,
Thank you for such a generous excerpt from this important book, and thanks many thanks to the publisher for this preview of a book I have already pre-ordered, due for shipment in mid-June.
Much of the hoopla about this book is not reflected in this open transparency into the inner workings of the Curia under the early Wojtyla. We do well to read this book in conjunction with other such reports from the time as Harvey Cox's study of the Friar Boff case, the book entitled the Schillebeeckx Case, the collection of documents around the case of the Reverend Father Tissa Balasuriya, the two books entitled Dissent (one Faithful Dissent, the other I cannot now recall, perhaps Loyal Dissent) from the Rev. Father Charles Curran, etc., etc., (and even more unfortunately) etc.
We do well to read this book.
Thanks for sharing so soon.
Whatever you think of
Whatever you think of Weakland or his book, you have to give it to him for his painfully accurate picture of John Paul The Great Divider!
Nothing new here just
Nothing new here just confirming Rome's dealing with any disagreement.
Fascinating insight into the
Fascinating insight into the actions of Pope JPII and Ratzinger, and the start of the destruction of the Western Church, that is American, German, French, Austrian, Swiss. Pope JPII's intolerance and ultraconservatism has so much contributed to the destruction of the Church and the leaving of so many priests and laity. The hemorrage, yet Jesus cured the woman's hemorrage, no discrimination or dismissal of women by Jesus. JPII defied Jesus dismissing women.
Chilling, chilling report of
Chilling, chilling report of ad limina visits. The practices of control and intimidation of people by JPII in his administration remind me of a police state.
And indeed in a secret interview conducted in Australia with NCR's own Peter Hebblethwaite and William Johnston, a US history professor, taped a decade before JP II's death with the promise it would be aired only after he passed, we see techniques of administration practiced by totalitarian governments used by JPII. (We certainly have Justin Rigali's number now, and the format for what it takes to be a bishop in this era.)
"William Johnston: The way you describe with silence and conformity at the top, and then a gradual loosening as you go down, pertains very aptly to all the Soviet regimes in Eastern Europe, and regimes that also pertains in today’s church. So that, if you will, there’s a pyramid with a maximum silence in control at the top, and then at the bottom there is more freedom of speech. In these 2-1/2 weeks before the next Pontiff emerges, we’re all enjoying the freedom of speech without a central voice and without the apparat repressing anyone, that’s why this moment is special.
Stephen Crittenden: You say that there’s actually a disconnect between the Pope’s collective achievement and what you call a blind spot that this Pope had at a personal level, and you talk about acts of personal cruelty.
William Johnston: Well I call it a blind spot; I think that’s a kind way, it may have been deliberate. The example I was told from an eye witness when the American bishops had one of their joint visits to the Pope in the early ‘90s, he greeted each of them individually as they stood in a circle.
Stephen Crittenden: By name?
William Johnston: By name, he knew their names, their diocese and something about them. He went around the circle and charmed all of them. There was one man he wished to punish and each of the three times he came to that man, he was overheard to lean into him and say, ‘And what’s your name? What’s your diocese?’ He did that three times. Now that kind of humiliation among one’s peers smacks of Soviet governmental technique, and I think it was obviously deliberate, it’s cruel, it’s even vindictive and it’s now coming to light....
William Johnston: But you see, that again is the Eastern European technique, where, as Peter Hebblethwaite put it, you humiliate a few stars as a warning to the others, and the others then withdraw their dissent and go private. It’s a technique of achieving conformity by punishing only a few exemplary figures. It works extremely well, and I would suggest the Pope saw how well it worked in Poland, and he just borrowed the technique and used it in his organisation, because it’s an effective technique."
See full interview with Hebblethwaite and Johnston at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1333976.htm
We await the book by John Dick, former nuncio Jean Jadot's close friend and biographer, of the pernicious treatment of Jadot in Rome.
Thank you very much, Carolyn,
Thank you very much, Carolyn, for this excellent link to an important series of interviews we all do very well to read in order the better to comprehend our signs of the times. What a joy to read something unread from the great Peter Hebblethwaite, even if the report from Managua is quite incomplete, and the transcriptionist cannot spell Sandinista. The essential is there, as was I.
In particular let me add to what you have cited above, the conclusion:
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Stephen Crittenden: The Pope’s official biographer, George Weigel, often speaks of this Pope as having reinvigorated Christian humanism.
William Johnston: Oh yes, well now that’s to my mind that’s a Kafaesque statement.
Stephen Crittenden: Isn’t Christian humanism exactly what’s been violated?
William Johnston: Well exactly. Christian humanism ought to mean the full flowering of each individual’s potential to become the human being that is latent within that person and the flowering requires a full lifetime, including a blossoming in old age.
Stephen Crittenden: This Pope never stopped talking though about the dignity of the individual human being.
William Johnston: Yes, well here I think the Austrian example is very appropriate. This is where the Austrian bureaucrats would talk one party line and their Jewish critics would point out the hollowness of it, and I wish there were more Jewish critics of this papacy who could satirise this kind of thing, that it’s hollow, and very sad that the authorities can continue to talk about human potential being fulfilled and blossoming through the leadership of this Pope, which is to give one example. Most people contemplating old age today ion the democracies, talk about it as a widening, a broadening, an opening of horizons. This Pontiff modelled exactly the opposite; he narrowed, he constrained himself, he’s the exact opposite of a humanistic process of ageing, and yet we’re being told to celebrate him as a model of the opposite.
If I might, I’d like to read two verses from a poem by the great Australian poet, A.D. Hope, which he wrote on the death of Pius XII in 1958.
Stephen Crittenden: It’s a great poem.
William Johnston: And there are two verses, where having talked about the fire in the trees in New England autumn when the death occurred, he had heard that this Pontiff in his last years, Pius XII in his last years, had been spiritualised.
If to some lives at least, comes a stage
When all the active man now left behind,
They enter on the treasure of old age,
This autumn of the mind.
Then while the heart stands still
Beyond desire,
The dying animal knows a strange serene.
Emerging in its ecstasy of fire,
The burning soul is seen.
Will anyone say that of the last days of John Paul II? Because the ageing of this Pontiff was not about a burning soul going inward and being spiritualised, it was about a control freak exerting power over the leaders of his organisation, he’s, if you will, a bureaucrat to the end. It’s a cruel thing to say but that’s how I see it.
Stephen Crittenden: Will Johnston, thank you very much for being on the program.
William Johnston: Thank you, I enjoyed it.
With this snippet of the
With this snippet of the Archbishop's autobiography, I'm eager to read it all, especially after reading today, May 27, 2009, in the New York Times that his plans to retire to live out his last days with Benedictines in New Jersey has been derailed.
Why golden parachutes for some such as for Boston's former archbishop and bitter fruit for others? My forty-three years of service within the Institution have been uneventful in comparison. Weakland's written account will rest on my bookshelf beside Archbishop Oscar Romero's journal which details his trying visits to Rome as well.
Dear and venerable Father
Dear and venerable Father Bernard,
Thank you sharing this distressing news.
The relevant links may be:
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/w/rembert_...
and, more probably by the date,
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/us/27weakland.html?_r=1
He cannot rest among our Benedictine community, for whom he served so long as Abbot Primate, due to a fear of offending wealthy benefactors . . .
He is ever welcome within my rugged desert hermitage, however, and I would gratefully cast myself at his sandalled feet begging: "Benedicite!"
your poorest servant always,
frere charles
Did you bother to read these
Did you bother to read these articles? Weakland voluntarily decided to cancel his move to New Jersey. Both parties agree that no one was forcing him to stop his move, but that he chose freely to spare the abbey and the school embarassment.
I suppose it is all part of a cover-up allowing everyone to save face. Truth be told, if the monastery said they didn't want him, I wouldn't blame him. After all, who wants a sexual predator living that close to a school?
My dearest brother
My dearest brother Clint,
Indeed I did read them very carefully.
I find it surprising that you, one who claims Benedictine experience although limited to Saint Meinrad's as an outsider, cannot distinguish between what is voluntary and what is "voluntary."
There is a certain mask of "discernment" but the message gets across.
Answer: There is no voluntary. Read your own summary " . . .he chose freely to spare the abbey and the school embarassment."
Your final misunderstanding and uncharitable paragraph (how old is my fine and good Abbot Primate now?) says more about you than about the situation at hand.
Personally, I would be most profoundly and honorably touched should my eminent Abbot Primate deign visit my humble and rugged desert hermitage, after all his excellent years of service to our Church. For an anchorite to return to a cenobitical lifestyle is ever a difficult transition, but for his sake, for his comfort, for his shelter, a task of great and eternal joy.
Could, umm, you help my roll and stretch a parlour carpet in preparation, please, as part of our manual labor recommended by Our Holy Father Saint Benedict. Personally I discern the outside labors in the garden (tomatos, jalapeno peppers, cilantro, eggplant, cactus, agave, ocotillo, AKA crown of thorns, and all the rest) more in my charism, and thus the carpet remains rolled up and unstretched, taking up most of space in the small hermitage. I could use a hand, really!
Love to Saint Meinrad's!
your poorest servant,
frere charles
Dear Poorest - there must be
Dear Poorest - there must be two of you!!
The subtlety of your post in diving the sub rosa context of the St Meinrad controversy contrasted to your other posts which betray an almost unbelievable obtuseness makes me wonder about you. Are there two of you - one obtuse when he wants to be and one subtle when it suits?
In any event, I pray and hope you will soon welcome His Excellency to your most humble abode - a solution delectable in its sweetness, no doubt.
Dear Anonymous, You tell
Dear Anonymous,
You tell me
Are there two of you anonymous?
Or are you legion?
just wondering
your poorest servant
frere charles
Dear Anonymous, I am
Dear Anonymous,
I am certainly obtuse regarding this, your phrasing: "The subtlety of your post in diving the sub rosa context of the St Meinrad controversy."
I do not dive now for very many years.
I wonder on the other hand at the source of your virulently anti-Catholic comments.
just wondering
your poorest servant
frere charles
Ace move to pick up on the
Ace move to pick up on the typo!! You're right at the head of the class.
Dear Poorest Please be sure
Dear Poorest
Please be sure to send a picture for us all to share in your veneration of His Excellency - a man who enabled abusers, used Archdiocesan funds to cover up his own shame and now writes his Apologia casting aspersions at the evil Curia!
Imagine the kind of Church we
Imagine the kind of Church we would now have had John Paul I lived out a fulland longer papacy? So many priests and nuns I know think his papacy would have advanced the teachings of Vatican II and ushered in optional celibacy and the ordination of women. Instead, we got John Paul II and Benedict who have set the church back to the thinking at the time of Trent. How very sad, yet- this has also increased the speed at which this old and decaying system continues to crumble and die. Archbishop Weakland has given us a look behind the curtains that is rare. He may have his weaknesses, as do all human beings, but history will judge him well in so far as his intentions to carry out the teachings of the Second Vatican Council.
Imagine . . . Then let us
Imagine . . .
Then let us pilgrim people pick up our Cross and walk, to build from what we now have left the Kingdom of Heaven in love, peace and justice for all.
Ahh the "teachings of Vatican
Ahh the "teachings of Vatican II" Sometimes I wonder if you folks have even bothered to read the "teachings of Vatican II" Like:
DECREE CONCERNING THE PASTORAL OFFICE OF BISHOPS IN THE CHURCH CHRISTUS DOMINUS
http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/v2bishop.htm
2. In this Church of Christ the Roman pontiff, as the successor of Peter, to whom Christ entrusted the feeding of His sheep and lambs, enjoys supreme, full, immediate, and universal authority over the care of souls by divine institution. Therefore, as pastor of all the faithful, he is sent to provide for the common good of the universal Church and for the good of the individual churches. Hence, he holds a primacy of ordinary power over all the churches.
The bishops themselves, however, having been appointed by the Holy Spirit, are successors of the Apostles as pastors of souls.(3) Together with the supreme pontiff and under his authority they are sent to continue throughout the ages the work of Christ, the eternal pastor.(4) Christ gave the Apostles and their successors the command and the power to teach all nations, to hallow men in the truth, and to feed them. Bishops, therefore, have been made true and authentic teachers of the faith, pontiffs, and pastors through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to them.(5)
3. Bishops, sharing in the solicitude for all the churches, exercise this episcopal office of theirs, which they have received through episcopal consecration,(6) in communion with and under the authority of the supreme pontiff. As far as their teaching authority and pastoral government are concerned, all are united in a college or body with respect to the universal Church of God.
4. By virtue of sacramental consecration and hierarchical communion with the head and members of the college, bishops are constituted as members of the episcopal body.(1) "The order of bishops is the successor to the college of the apostles in teaching and pastoral direction, or rather, in the episcopal order, the apostolic body continues without a break. Together with its head, the Roman pontiff, and never without this head it exists as the subject of supreme, plenary power over the universal Church. But this power cannot be exercised except with the agreement of the Roman pontiff."(2) This power however, "is exercised in a solemn manner in an ecumenical council."(3) Therefore, this sacred synod decrees that all bishops who are members of the episcopal college, have the right to be present at an ecumenical council.
8. (a) To bishops, as successors of the Apostles, in the dioceses entrusted to them, there belongs per se all the ordinary, proper, and immediate authority which is required for the exercise of their pastoral office. But this never in any way infringes upon the power which the Roman pontiff has, by virtue of his office, of reserving cases to himself or to some other authority.
9. In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the universal Church, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, perform their duties in his name and with his authority for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors.
11 …Individual bishops who have been entrusted with the care of a particular church-under the authority of the supreme pontiff-feed their sheep in the name of the Lord as their own, ordinary, and immediate pastors, performing for them the office of teaching, sanctifying, and governing. Nevertheless, they should recognize the rights which legitimately belong to patriarchs or other hierarchical authorities.(1)
Sayyyyyy!!!! Vatican II
Sayyyyyy!!!! Vatican II actually says:
In this Church of Christ the Roman pontiff, as the successor of Peter... enjoys SUPREME, FULL, IMMEDIATE, AND UNIVERSAL AUTHORITY over the care of souls by divine institution.
Hence, he holds a PRIMACY OF ORDINARY POWER OVER ALL THE CHURCHES.
Together with the supreme pontiff and UNDER HIS AUTHORITY...
Bishops… exercise this episcopal office of theirs… IN COMMUNION WITH AND UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF.
TOGETHER WITH ITS HEAD, THE ROMAN PONTIFF, AND NEVER WITHOUT THIS HEAD...
BUT THIS NEVER IN ANY WAY INFRINGES UPON THE POWER WHICH THE ROMAN PONTIFF HAS...
In exercising SUPREME, FULL, AND IMMEDIATE POWER IN THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH, THE ROMAN PONTIFF makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, Perform Their Duties In His Name And With His Authority...
Nevertheless, they should recognize the rights which legitimately belong to patriarchs or other hierarchical authorities.
Well, all I can say is it looks like His Excellency overstepped his bounds by opposing the Supreme Pontiff. Not to mention, he seriously, and deliberately, misconstrued the decrees of Vatican II. I guess that's why he had to resort to the subterfuge of referencing the "Spirit of Vatican II" - something amorphous that he could manipulate as he and his confreres thought fit.
It must've been hard for him to live in such dire conditions that he actually had someone with superior authority to his. Now, in his "humility" he attacks those very people who he was bound to support in their ministries - failing to realize it was his duty to conform, not theirs. The hubris and arrogance of the man knows no end.
I am not a Catholic but I do
I am not a Catholic but I do have a friend who is a married Catholic Priest. I will read the book. I truly admire Archbishop Weakland for courage and honesty with which he discussed the topics treated in his book.
This excerpt is so
This excerpt is so distressing. Frankly I hadn't been interested in +Rembert's book as I'm sick of tales of sexual variations. On the only occasion I heard him speak he was allowing the suggestion that the US shortage of priests might be "solved" by enticing priests from the 3rd world to come and serve US Catholics. No suggestion that latin America had a priest shortage of its own. So not much encouragement to be interested in his story.
However, assuming the details in the above account are true, there is here portrayed a very disquieting system.
One is driven to ask - do the clergy - any of them- believe the Gospel? Trust the Holy Spirit? I fear they do not.
What is the point of this
What is the point of this book? Nobody made Rembert join up and nobody made him stay. These quotes read like Enron-kiss-and-tell-soft-porn. Move on, nothing to see here.
I've known Rembert for many
I've known Rembert for many years. his is a voice of a prophet. May we come away from his book with a better sense of what needs to change for the cure of souls. Could we have less personal animosity and more love for the Lord?
Is the church serious about
Is the church serious about canonizing this Pope John Paul II? Grunt! Grunt!! Grunt!!! Thank you, Archbishop Weakland, for 25 years service in Milwaukee. To the bellyachers in Milwaukee who burned up the fax machines in cowardly secrecy ....
NCR really does need to move
NCR really does need to move on to a new topic besides how awful the institutional church is.
Dear Xpihs What a clever way
Dear Xpihs
What a clever way to write the Greek Messianic title and the Greek name of Our Lord in Latin letters! Enneagrammatical, really.
Let us join in union of prayer for your intention expressed here. There was one brief moment of glory in my reading of the NCR 45 years or so ago (I especially enjoyed the ad lib column at that time) in which the "awful" did dominate the news. Now we find much to lament, and to carry, but also much to rejoice, as Snowdrop does.
We as a Church, as the pilgrim people of God, we do all need to move on towards the Reign of God in Parousia (to continue your Greek idiom!).
your poor servant
frere charles
Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh
Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy!!!!
Enneagrams!!! I just feel it in my bones that someone will burst forth with a paean to Therapeutic Touch or some other New Agey voodooish inanity!!!
Go for it Poorist!!!
I was right, just not in this
I was right, just not in this thread of comments. In Sr. Chittister's latest comment someone descried the Bishops lack of understanding for Reiki. I could feel the voodoo New Age inanity of that "ancient" (OK so 1920 is not so ancient, but for some reason it's always presented as "ancient"!!)snake oil - een from the electronic distance.
C'mon, there gotta be someone out there ready to sing the praises of Therapeutic Touch? Phrenology? Auspices from goats livers?
Dear Anonymous (no, not you,
Dear Anonymous (no, not you, penultimate anonymous, but this anonymous one)
I get dizzy when you speak to yourself; Anonymous, forgive me for it.
Please permit one small question:
You invite "someone out there to sing" while singing to yourself . . .
I only write to ask for the URL of the Reverend Sister Joan Chittister's "latest comment (in which) someone descried . . ."
Is my great former head of the Benedictine Prioress organization down here among us trolls commenting, including descrying?
just wondering
your poorest servant
frere charles
There's something ironic
There's something ironic about His Excellency, Archbishop Weakland complaining about Pope John Paul II's autocratic ways, especially when he stole $450,000 from the People of God in Milwaukee, to pay off his secret lover, just as these stories he's recounting here were happening. Now he has the audacity to smear the late Holy Father like this, presenting himself as though he were a victim. This would have all remained a nice little secret had His Excellency's ex-boyfriend not betrayed their deal, how fitting, the courageous and humble Archbishop who stood up to the Supreme Pontiff, was toppled by his ex-boyfriend who spilled the beans about their little financial arrangement.
His Excellency is a thief, a Shepard who steals from his own flock, a small man, long after John Paul II will be raised to the altars, His Excellency will only be a footnote in some history book, recounted as an example of the corruption of American Bishops during the sex abuse cover up.
Actually, my understanding is
Actually, my understanding is that the $450,000 was paid by monies earned by archbishop Weakland and the help of some friends, not by the archdioceses. Also you use the word "stole" very loosely. If this is true, would you be willing to apologize for bearing false witness?
Paid initially by the
Paid initially by the Archdiocese and repaid AFTER he was caught. Stole" may not be in fact "too loosely" used. Face it, he paid the money back in restitution. If he had never been caught no one believes the Archdiocese would have seen a dime. But, it's really the Curia's and the Pope's fault; certainly not Archbishop Weakland's.
http://www.thefloridacatholic.org/cns/2009_articles/20090515_cns_weaklan...
“With money he earned from speaking and writing, and through funds raised by several of his friends, Archbishop Weakland repaid the $450,000 to the archdiocese.”
Dear Anonymous one, You write
Dear Anonymous one,
You write upon your own authority and statistical sampling:
"If he had never been caught no one believes the Archdiocese would have seen a dime."
I believe. I am not no one.
Rather I am
your poorest servant
frere charles
Dear Poorest There are none
Dear Poorest
There are none so blind as those who will not see....
Of course, you you couldn't be bothered to even do a quick search to find out the Archdiocese actually paid the settlement, and you were seemingly happy to give the impression that His Excellency had paid the settlement himself rather than repaid the money only after the fact.
Tell you what. You check on the dates, publish the link and if His Excellency actually repaid one dime prior to the public disclosure of the settlement, I'll publicly apologize.
BTW Poorest - the public
BTW Poorest - the public disclosure was 4 years after the settlement. Plenty of time for His Excellency to at least begin repayment to the Archdiocese if he had any intention of doing so.
Waiting on your research.....
Most Humbelest of the poor, blind, widowered of Curial lackeys.
Dear Anonymous, Wait. Are the
Dear Anonymous,
Wait.
Are the anonymous responding to the anonymous here?
The first anonymous (or was it the penultimate?) promised to make a public apology.
Will that now be an anonymous public apology?
just wondering
your poorest servant
frere charles
Dearest Poorest Glad to know
Dearest Poorest
Glad to know you think they would have seen "a dime"
Archbishop Weakland details
Archbishop Weakland details his "feet of clay" very honestly and with humility. Yes, there is that tendency many of us have to be defensive, and have "blind spots" when we cannot yet see some of the severe damage we might have caused, (unfortunately, most of us have "feet of clay" in one way or another, because we are all sinners) but at least he is honest!
This is something we could all benefit by hearing more of from the Vatican, although it does seem that Benedict did try to show humility and graciousness, and he did address openly the sex abuse crisis during his visit last year.
The "corruption of the American Bishops" of which you speak, was, let's face it, seemingly ignored by JPII, who gave sanctuary to one of the worst of the cover-up people, Cardinal Law, and "raised him to the altars" as you say, but in the Vatican-rewards-its-own kind of a way.
What if what Weakland says is true--that people like you, Stanislaus, a few Poles in Milwaukee, made certain that Weakland was isolated from the Vatican and hindered in his pastoral work in Milwaukee. Who knows what that sense of isolation and frustration in his ability to do his work, also that sense, in an American Citizen, of being "spied upon" at every turn, caused in this man?
So let's recognize a valuable insight here--that John Paul II's communication and management skills were nurtured in Communist Poland, and for reasons of his very survival, may not have been the best to deal with this sexual abuse crisis in the Western (not just the American) Church. Have mercy on this man, Rembert, who has, perhaps, at least given us a valuable piece of the puzzle, whether we like it or not. Judge not lest you also be judged.
I would add one coda to your
I would add one coda to your next to last sentence, Wendyn. "... sexual abuse crisis in the Western (not just the American) Church" The abuse in the African Church has also been documented and was addressed in one of the current Pope's speeches in Africa, as documented by John Allen. Our Church would be helped by an open and sincere theological reflection on sexuality in all its dimensions.
actually, and we must not
actually, and we must not miss this point as the good Abbot Primate himself does, his management skills were nurtured, as you put it, Wendyn A, not in Communist Poland, but in a Nazi quarry where he collaborated, with never a threat of prison camps and the concentration camps suffered by so many other Polish Catholics, including his first Saint Maximillian Kolbe.
Dear Poorest You frequently
Dear Poorest
You frequently ask for supporting documentation and berate those who make assertions. Now, dearest Poorest one, look in the mirror. What support do you have for what was in his mind? What support do you have for these calumnious statements. Were you there? Did you experience these things. Are you his Psychoanalyst?
Retract or supply direct information to support your calumny.
Dearest Anonymous, My, how
Dearest Anonymous,
My, how frequently you correspond here, and because of me. I beg you forgive me for so moving your keyboard.
Not retraction but
res ipsa loquitur
I remain ever
your poorest servant
frere charles
Dear Poorest Still no cite -
Dear Poorest
Still no cite - just the "res ipsa" incantation to ward off what - the truth?
Dear Brother
Dear Brother Stanislaus,
Thank you very much for your comments, and I do strongly invite you to read this book. You will find not one person whining about victimization, but a chorus of the entire people of God who have been victimized. Here one such courageously and prophetically and carefully documents the facts in one case, his own. I invite you further to read Paul Wilkes's The Education of an Archbishop: Travels With Rembert Weakland published by the great Roman Catholic publishing house Orbis in 1992, in which a respected journalist further documents the events here recorded.
The entire people of God have been victimized Stanislaus. You may further read of similar cases, particularly directed against our greatest theologians of the Twentieth Century, including the Dominican and Reverend Father Edward Schillebeeckx (whom history will never forget) and the irreplaceable Friar Boff (whose writings find odd yet accurate echo in recent Papal documents).
The entire people of God have been victimized by the ecclesiology in power at that time, an ecclesiology which comes not from the Apostles, but from the WWII quarry in which Wojtyla collaborated so successfully while other Polish Catholics like Saint Maximilian Kolbe suffered tremendously, an ecclesiology acquired under the totalitarianism which followed that supervisory quarry job.
When plaster saints to altars are lifted, what names will we find? Curran, Kung, Balasuriya, Dupuis, Schillebeeckx. In the Wojtyla case, why do we know longer here those claxon cries Santo Subito? Have cooler, less partisan, less Nuremberg Rally heads prevailed, even now in this moment most favorable for such elevation?
What are those rumours of the lost child of Wojtyla? As he whined with arms crossed at the end of this excerpt, he too was hurting.
We all, all of the plgrim People of God, we are hurting. This cross too we lift.
Dear Brother
Dear Brother Stanislaus,
Thank you for your remarks, but I must point out that not only does His Eminence carefully recount how he himself was victimized, but the entire People of God. Your remarks here might hold some validity if he stood alone in this loss of collegiality and basic Chritian compassion, but the specific list goes on, touching all of the great Catholic theologians of the second half of the twentieth century, and terrifying, as here, the heirarchy into submission in which it remains in lockstep with no room to comment, to take orders rather than together to pray the way to the Kingdom of God in this time of real crisis, in a model of ecclesiology learned not from the Apostles but from the institutional model under which Wojtyla successfully operated in the WWII quarry as collaborator, and the totalitarian model which.
You see we all, all the People of God, were victimized, and lost immeasurably. Perhaps a careful, prayerful study of this dispassionate report will give us all the strength to continue with deeper commitment and not to despair in the false and temporary comfort of other's arms by which we are lost, to the delight of those incapable leaders, those poor pastors, who wish us to get lost.
His Eminence here speaks prophetically Truth, which we must hear although it does not comfort our presumptions and prejudices, but challenges them, even questions them. prophetically. A supplemental insight may be found in the 1992 ORBIS publication The Education of an Archbishop: Travels With Rembert Weakland by New Yorker reporter Paul WIlkes. When you do read this book, Stanislaus, please read that one as well, and find which becomes the footnote.
had much more to share but lets leave it at that for now
your worst servant
frere charles
Thank you most humble
Thank you most humble brother, for your words of wisdom, your sermonizing, and your revisionist history.
I am most curious in what way was Wojtyla a collaborator during the war?He was in an underground seminary for a large part of the war(including the time that he was working at the quarry), one of his classmates was discovered and shot. He risked his life to become a priest. How did Wojtyla collaborate?
Humbly beseeching your most enlightened wisdom and prostrating myself before the light of your knowledge which drips like spring morning dew onto my dry heart.
Your brother,
Stanisluas
Stan, Arise, go forth and sin
Stan,
Arise, go forth and sin no more!
Who turned in his classmate?
Doesn't the very nature of his quarry work indicate collaboration?
Why wasn't he sent off to Auschwitz like so many other Catholic Poles?
Why was his Santo Subito status so suddenly stopped?
let us pray
let us discern
just wondering
your poorest servant
frere charles
Autobiographies, almost by
Autobiographies, almost by definition, hold the author in great high regard. "His Excellency" is clearly no different.
Here we have a man who used Archdiocesan money - in a significant amount - top cover up his own indiscretions. I suppose that was the curia's fault in not showing him sufficient deference? Publicly caught violating his vows and now seemingly vilifying the late Pontiff, this excerpt seems to be only a predicate to a self-serving whitewash of his own gross inadequacies, failures and duplicitous acts - but one must assume that, too, needs to be laid at the feet of the curia whisper mongers. I can only conclude he is trying to deflect the criticism he is certainly due.
Sorry, but he is NOT a good man and this is nothing but revisionism of the most self-serving kind. Perhaps, we are, none of us, "good men" but it's truly unseemly to write something like he has with his public and scandalous life. Pay back the $400k+ and acknowledge the hurt, diminution of faith in Milwaukee and hypocrisy at the base of his life as a shepherd of the Church - then we can start forgiving and forgetting. Self-serving, self-righteous, aspersions cast at others - especially those who are now dead - well, it's not very pretty. He is not a victim in any meaningful way - he is a victimizer and he would do much better to simply fess up and ask forgiveness.
Dear Anonymous, If you permit
Dear Anonymous,
If you permit my paraphrase, internet blog comments by definition hold their author in highest regard. Therefore we see so much pseudo-authority unsourced asserted here. Nevertheless, kindly vouchsafe a citation from JD's comment above (and I quote):
"Actually, my understanding is that the $450,000 was paid by monies earned by archbishop Weakland and the help of some friends, not by the archdioceses. Also you use the word "stole" very loosely. If this is true, would you be willing to apologize for bearing false witness?"
In any case I fail to see how my Abbot Primate's tell-all holds himself in high regard; rather does it expose him entirely, as was Jesus Christ naked before the crowd calling for His Crucifixion.
Hoping this transplanted sentiment might prove as illuminating here as it did above under stanislaus, I remain
your poorest servant,
frere charles
The humility of the "poorest
The humility of the "poorest servant" always touches my heart.
If you simply look at the posts above you will see that the Archdiocese did in fact initially pay the $450K. His Excellency was man enough after he was caught to repay it. No doubt you see that as a truly Christ-like act.
Perhaps you might try a little internet surfing yourself - or were you aware of the glitch in JD's post?.
As the anonymity of the
As the anonymity of the pervasive Anonymous ever touches mine . . .
We also surf who only stand on waves
I was not aware
I was
your poorest servant
frere charles
Dear Poorest You were not
Dear Poorest
You were not aware, yet took to defend the guilty!! Typical for those who are blinded by their own desire to see what is not there.
Still waiting on your research.
This truly is a frightening
This truly is a frightening account, elucidated further in the recommended link offered by Carolyn: Hebblethwaite and Johnston at http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1333976.htm. This and articles such as Tom Robert's interview with Fr. Cozzens remind me not to allow myself any naivete. On the contrary I consider all of this a call to prayerful reflection and carefully deliberated responses.
I always admired Archbishop
I always admired Archbishop Weakland during his tenure in Milwaukee, especially in his public pronouncements on social justice and related subjects. When his relationship with his former lover was revealed, I felt tremendous sadness ---not that he had broken his vow of chastity, but that a man of his gifts had fallen for such a bimbo. But what disturbs me now is what has been revealed about his "hardball" tactics against the victims of sexual abuse in Milwaukee while he was Archbishop. I have watched the video of his recent deposition, in which Weakland comes accross as a pitiful old man, begging for forgiveness. However, in the hight of his power as Archbishop, he intimidated victims and refused to take action aagainst abusing clergy. I would be much more interested to read the section of his book that deals with his actions vis a vis clergy abuse. THAT's the 200-ton elephant in the room in any discussion of Archbishop Weakland. And until he comes clean ----really clean---- any praise of his other accomplishments are irrelevant.
I'm disappointed that you are
I'm disappointed that you are providing a forum for Weakland. He aided and abetted child molesters for many years. I don't care what his theology is. His covering up for abusers really disgusts me.
If you want to dwell on
If you want to dwell on useless situations, be my guest,I'm more cancerned about what can be done to make our church straighten up and fly right. Cut off the flow of money. Start sending a message to your bishop by dropping in a DIME at collection time. The more DIMES dropped in on Sunday, the sooner the light will go off in the bishops head. I'm not about to be financially abused. I've had it up to here, with lack of accountability from our bishops. If you agree, join me. If you don't, it's going to be a long, long time before the purple gang will change their attitude. As long as you provide the money, the bishops will find a way to use it. WITHOUT YOUR HELP..WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT... WITHOUT ANY ACCOUNTING