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Celibacy a deal-breaker for some Anglicans
VATICAN CITY -- While Pope Benedict XVI hopes to encourage conversions by allowing disaffected Anglicans to continue to use traditional forms of worship, the Catholic tradition of celibate clergy may be an insurmountable obstacle for some potential converts.
The Vatican announced Tuesday (Oct. 20) that it will create new national dioceses tailored to Anglicans upset with their church's growing acceptance of homosexuality and female clergy. The dioceses will feature not only distinctively Anglican music and prayers, but also the trait that till now has most conspicuously distinguished Anglicanism from Roman Catholicism: married priests.
But the provision for married clergy, which the Catholic church has made on a limited basis since at least the 1980s, remains a qualified one. Only unmarried men will be eligible to serve as bishops in the new dioceses, the Vatican said, consistent with a "long historical tradition” in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
Other details of the new rules remain unclear pending their still-unscheduled publication, but Cardinal William Levada, head of the Vatican's doctrinal office, suggested on Tuesday that the new dioceses will not ordain married men unless they have already started their preparation in Anglican seminaries, or permit unmarried priests to take wives after ordination.
For some potential converts, those qualifications are a deal breaker.
"I find the lack of a permanent provision for a married priesthood to be a serious obstacle to unity,” said Anglican Bishop Jack Iker of Fort Worth, Texas, who has considered joining the Catholic church in the past.
Whether or not it manages to entice many Anglicans, however, the pope's limited easing of the celibacy requirement is sure to exacerbate controversy over the issue among Catholics, Levada acknowledged.
"I think for some people it seems to be a problem," the cardinal said Tuesday, "because as you know there have been many Catholic priests who have left the priesthood to get married, and the question arises, `well, if these former Anglicans can be married priests, what about us?"'
Levada emphasized the difference between married Anglican men who heard a "call to the service of their church" before converting, and "Catholic men who knowingly commit to a celibate priesthood and then decide for whatever reasons ... that they want to leave the priesthood in order to have a married life."
The Vatican's announcement has already encouraged some commentators who argue for married clergy as a solution to many of the Catholic church's most grievous problems, including clerical sexual abuse of children and a severe shortage of priests in Europe, the United States and Latin America.
Yet one informed observer believes that any changes in that direction will come only gradually, and not as a consequence of an Anglican influx.
"If there's to be a broader change on celibacy, it won't come from ideological pressure groups in the West," said John L. Allen, Jr., senior correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter and author of the forthcoming book, "The Future Church."
More likely, said Allen, is that bishops in underdeveloped countries with underserved flocks will ask the Vatican for permission to resume an ancient Catholic tradition by ordaining married laymen of proven character.
Allen noted, however, that experience with a married priesthood does not necessarily favor the practice. Bishops in the Eastern Rite Catholic churches, whose parish priests are typically married, "are among the biggest fans of celibacy," he said.
"If they've got a guy who's a disaster and they want to yank him out of his assignment, they also have to worry about his wife's job and their kids' schools," Allen said. "Bishops with a celibate (priesthood) don't face those headaches."




So now the church is going to
So now the church is going to open branch of exclusively disaffected Anglicans?
If the Anglicans are Disaffected they should not be forced to make too many changes, otherwise it will be a signal for Roman Catholics who are disaffected to break off from the Holy Roman Empire, I mean church.
What is the problem with Rome accepting the notion that some priests are neither homosexual nor sexually independent? Being Celibate is a Choice, as in pro Choice. Not all male priests live up to their vow of celibacy, but the church tries to act as though priests are above being physically attracted by and to members of the opposite sex.
I'm afraid that the church has become too broad in its base by making the persona of Jesus being so much different than the median follower that following Jesus' teachings is just another choice that a Christian needs to make.
Peace!
"If they've got a guy who's a
"If they've got a guy who's a disaster and they want to yank him out of his assignment, they also have to worry about his wife's job and their kids' schools," Allen said. "Bishops with a celibate (priesthood) don't face those headaches."
Please, John, this is disengenous argument at best. Cardinal George has already admitted bishops follow the businessman model of leadership. When was the last time any corporate boss gave a damn about an employee's spouse and kids when they laid off or fired somebody.
For that matter, our bishops have shown a decided inability to fire disastrous clergy. They'd rather transfer them. Red herring argument all the way around.
Indeed, a rather dumb
Indeed, a rather dumb argument, when you consider that priests serve dioceses, which are (reasonably) local entities.
Well, if they want to be
Well, if they want to be Catholic, they should take the whole package; we have enough cafeteria folk already! They will be in the Latin rite after all, so celibacy will be a requirement for future priests.
Rome is being accommodating by letting ordainded married Anglican men apply for the Catholic priesthood. But this should not be automatic. I'm not picking on Anglicans here but after the abuse crisis, Rome needs to be much more discerning about who is allowed into the Catholic priesthood.
If you look at one of the very worst abuses (Geoghan), the seminary wanted to dismiss him but his uncle (a priest) came to his rescue. If you look at another really bad one (many victims), Kos, he was admitted to seminary training after a failed marriage (annulled) where his wife told church authorities that he had a thing for boys. And so it goes! What if at least those two had not been ordained? At least a little piece of hell could have been cordoned off.
Whenever anyone discusses
Whenever anyone discusses celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church, the issue always seems to revolve around priests. What about the celibacy requirement for religious Brothers and Sisters? Don't they count? Why o why is the celibacy of the PRIESTHOOD only under such intense focus? The fact that we only hear about celibacy vis-a-vis the priesthood leads me to think that, in actuality, the argument is not about celibacy per se but about the priesthood. In other words, something subterranean seems to be going on here that no one is addressing, neither Catholic nor non-Catholic commentators.
That's a whole different
That's a whole different animal, Michael. Religious brothers and sisters generally live in community and share finances, etc.
There are exceptions --- Third Order Franciscans, for example.
There would, in theory, be nothing that precluded a religous community of
married people. Except, perhaps, the sheer logistics. The solutions to the latter might make the community indistinguishable from a "cult."
Except that most nuns today
Except that most nuns today seem to live in their own apartments--perhaps even with their "life partners."
The Roman Catholic Church is
The Roman Catholic Church is collapsing under the burden of mandatory celibacy. In many parts of the world the church is undergoing Eucharistic famine because of celibacy. In some parts of the Third World a Catholic can attend Mass only once or twice a year because of the shortage of priests. We have to decide what is more important, the sacraments or celibacy. I choose the former. The, very weak, argument used by traditionalists against women priests is that Jesus called only men. Well, since Jesus called married men then the church should be able to call them now.
Steve
It is our church who is
It is our church who is offering sanctuary to the Anglicans. They may or may not choose to accept based on the conditions we impose. The Anglicans only decision is if they want to accept our offer or not. We offer them a Christian cover from the schism they find themselves in.
Another non-story blown out of proportion by the Natonal Catholic Reporter!
What is the procedure for
What is the procedure for Latin Rite Catholics to switch to the Eastern Rites???
I am sick & tired of all the hassles stirred up over the leadership crises & incompetancies of the Church Hierarchy over a multitude of issues --coverup of criminal actions by subordinates and collegues, financial embexxlements and insurance liability frauds, conspicous consumption & CEO lifestyles of the leaders, lack of participation in solutions for the world's problems of enviornment, greed, political tyranny, poverty, overpopulation, etc.
I just want to pray in some peace and quiet with people who concentrate on God and helping their neighbors as much as they can...
Guess what? The Eastern
Guess what? The Eastern Rites have 1. liturgy that is largely not in English. 2. no "lectors or so called Eucharistic ministers" 3. still respect natural law and Church teaching regarding when life begins and ends and the dignity of marriage.
The right wing shills who
The right wing shills who have made posts to this thread fail to see the true hatred and bigotry behind this decision by The Bishop of Rome. The issues are clear. Benedict and his minions DEVALUE WOMEN while at the same time they also display their own hypocrisy and hatred for gay and lesbian human beings. There's really no other way to explain this shameful and very sinful behavior. Right wing reactionaries from the Roman and Anglican Communion may have their day in the sun with this latest development but ultimately both God and history will judge them harshly. You can't disenfranchise and devalue women and gay and lesbian human beings in the name of Christ. These are the worst crimes against humanity and they will not stand!
As far as a married
As far as a married priesthood in the Anglican rite, this should be reserved to already married Anglican priests who wish to both convert & become real priests. The Anglicans don't have a valid priesthood according to Pope Leo XIII of fond memory. And as I noted in another post above, Rome has to be very careful in terms of who is admitted to the priesthood. The Anglican priests can apply but they need to be carefully evaluated for true Holy Orders.
This is as far as the concession to a married priesthood in the Anglican rite should go. Rome should not be ordaining any married men who are studying for the Anglican priesthood as the article suggests. There should also be a timeline for this conversion process so that the married priesthood in the Anglican rite dies out within half a century. And of course no turncoat former Catholic priests who became Episcopalians can apply for the priesthood.
As to the Anglican priestesses, they can just get on their broomsticks and fly back to Oz! This was my advice to Hillary when she was running for President! She was the worst of the three evils running for that office.
Paulte has got a really good
Paulte has got a really good point. What discernment , background checks will go on to ensure that RCC is not accepting bad priests, bad bishops who move over from Anglican/Episcopal?
How many closeted gays (married, hiding gayness) are coming over? How many inept, dishonest thieving or pedophile predator priests/bishops are coming over, or dysfunctional, confrontational unpastoral priests/bishops that Anglican/Episcopal would be glad to be rid of are coming over?
What if we get lots of malcontents who will make the church an even nastier place with more scandals and cause more disaffected Roman Catholics? We already have a great exodus of RC who are disgusted with so many dysfunctional priests we already have. We should ordain our many very dedicated, very well educated Roman Catholic women who are called to priesthood.
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