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Louise Akers elevates women's issues at CTA meeting
Call To Action organizers stress need to model church of the future
Nov. 09, 2009
Milwaukee
Charity Sr. Louise Akers, telling the story of how she was dismissed after 40 years of teaching in the Cincinnati archdiocese for not retracting her support for women’s ordination, held more than 2,000 Call to Action conference delegates spellbound here, and in the process united two women’s issues precious to many Catholics: the ban on women’s ordination and the Vatican’s secretive investigation of U.S. women religious.
Both, Akers explained, relegated women to lesser roles in the church, and are affronts to human dignity and grave injustices that all Catholic need to confront.
Akers filled in for Maryknoll Fr. Roy Bourgeois, who was tending to his ailing father. For more than one hour Nov. 6, on the opening evening of the three-day Call to Action gathering, Akers spoke of the difficult experiences that women commonly face in society and the sexism they face in the Catholic church. She shared how dispiriting it is for women religious to be investigated by their hierarchy.
At one point she quoted a woman religious who had written her about the fear she now lived with, a fear generated by the investigation, a fear she could never have imagined she would ever have to feel as a nun facing new uncertainties.
Akers gained national notoriety last August after Cincinnati Archbishop Daniel Pilarczyk told her she had to disassociate herself from the Women’s Ordination Conference. She said she told Pilarczyk she would be willing to leave the conference’s advisory board, and have her picture removed from its Web site. She was not willing, she said, to be forced to retract her support for the continued discussion and study of women’s ordination.
“To do so would go against my conscience,” said Akers at the time. She entered the Sisters of Charity of Cincinnati in 1960, and holds a doctorate in feminist theology from the Episcopal Divinity School, Cambridge, Mass.
Akers addresses CTA gathering
In her talk, Akers quoted Mercy Sr. Theresa Kane, who when receiving the 2004 Outstanding Leadership Award from the Leadership Conference of Women Religious said: “We know and identify ourselves as women in solidarity with other women. We experience this solidarity as we acknowledge the painful realization that all women in church and in society are colonized, that all women are patronized, that all women are viewed as objects, that all women are conditioned and expected to be complementary.”
Akers told the Call to Action audience that when a friend once asked about her vision of church, she replied: “I hope for a greater realization of how Vatican II described the church as ‘people of God.’ This vision of church challenges the patriarchal and hierarchal model of church that we experience today.”
The church, Akers said, needs to be more inclusive not just in outreach, but also within its internal structures. … A church that is universal in cultures and inclusive in gender would project a renewed presence. There is also a need for persistence in raising questions or objections to such abuses as the pedophile scandal. The lack of accountability is more and more evident and cries out for a new model of leadership.”
Akers spoke about the peace and calm that came over her when she and another friend attended a women’s ordination rite. And she spoke about her conversation with her archbishop when he told her to rescind her support for women’s ordination.
Said Akers: “Women’s ordination is a justice issue. Its basis is the value, dignity and equality of women. I believe this to my very core. To publicly state otherwise would be a lie and against my conscience.”
Before she finished her remarks, Akers also read from the many letters of support she had received from people both known and unknown to her. She quoted from church documents, including Pope John XXIII’s 1963 encyclical, “Peace on Earth”: “Since women are becoming ever more conscious of their human dignity, they will not tolerate being treated as inanimate objects or mere instruments, but claim both in domestic and public life the rights and duties that befit a human person.”
And she argued that it was she, not her archbishop, who had Catholic teaching in her corner in their dispute over whether she had the right to be supportive of women’s ordination in her private dealings. Akers cited the Vatican II document on Religious Freedom, which reads: “The Vatican council declares that the human person has the right to religious freedom. Freedom of this kind means that all people should be immune from coercion on the part of individuals, social groups and every human power so that, within due limits, nobody is forced to act against their convictions in religious matters in private or in public, alone or in association with others.”
She said in her private conversation with Pilarczyk she emphasized that she always upheld official church teachings in her public ministry, separating these from her personal convictions.
By the time she had finished to a standing ovation and a deluge of hugs from admirers who came to the front of the large conference hall, Akers had made what many conference attendees said was a simple and compelling case that women in general and women religious in particular are suffering at the hands of an increasingly closed and isolated male hierarchy.
Several women noted an irony. Fifteen years have passed since Pope John Paul II issued Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, declaring the Catholic church does not have the authority to ordain women, in the hopes of ending further discussion on the subject. But now the topic is being propelled forward by another Vatican action, the investigation of women religious, which is raising questions about the fairness by which the hierarchy sees and treats women.
In her Call to Action talk, Akers seemed to become the embodiment of that irony.
“The issue of the denial of women’s ordination by the Vatican has taken on a whole new life as a result of the investigation of the women religious,” said Sister of St. Joseph Christine Schenk, executive director of FutureChurch. “It’s the injustice of both that’s becoming increasingly clear to many.”
Workshops and caucuses dealing with the “inquisition,” as some referred to it here, of the U.S. women religious gathered large attendance — and considerable anger. A number of Call to Action delegates said they would pin their bishops down to see if they planned to contribute to the investigation, which started last January and which, by Vatican figures, is to cost at least $1.1 million. Others said they would work to spread the word about the investigation in their local media.
By the time the Call to Action gathering entered its final day, delegates in a plenary session unanimously approved a statement that was issued Nov. 8 in their name. It reads:
"Since January of 2009, the Vatican has investigated and sought to silence Catholic sisters in the United States. They have set a deadline of Nov. 20 for the women religious' communities to respond to its probing questionnaire. Now more than ever we must speak out against the few bishops who continue to wield the sword of division, rather than extend the hand of unity.
“To our fellow Catholics in the United States and around the globe, women religious have taught us how to live the Gospel and open our arms until they embraced all of God's people. It is now our responsibility to put into action the lessons we have learned and ensure that our sisters in faith are not ripped from the church's embrace.
“To our courageous sisters, you who have been the bedrock of our church and country, know that the people you have faithfully served stand beside you as you have stood with us.
“To those who are doing the investigation, your actions do not reflect the welcoming and embracing love that Jesus demonstrated in the Gospels. We invite you to have a conversion of heart and join us in standing with the women religious.
“In every generation God raises up prophets to point the way toward the Gospel vision of inclusion. Women religious are these prophets. Today we stand not with those who cling to the gates of exclusion but with the prophets who open the gates and call us to live as one."
Meanwhile, interviews with Call to Action board members and others associated with its leadership echoed a common refrain that Call to Action, a movement that originally grew out of a 1976 bicentennial celebration held in the Detroit archdiocese, has gone through a number of phases of transformation and is going through its latest at this time.
These leaders generally agree that their organization, which over the years has moved first to a regional and then to a local level, has not succeeded in engaging the U.S. bishops as members would have liked. To the contrary, the organization is viewed as a threat to current church structures and is generally banned from using church properties when it meets.
Fitzgerald explains his vision to CTA delegates
The group’s new refrain, echoed by its new executive director, Jim FitzGerald, and other Call to Action leaders, is to focus on “modeling the Catholic communities” they want for the institutional church to one day foster. How this happens is not yet clear. Some think it might involve being more visible in sharing experiences of their noncanonical Catholic life. For many members, the message, “We are the church,” has become deeply ingrained in their spiritual psyche. What appears to be new is their active desire to move forward in building what they describe as an “inclusive” church in the hopes of setting examples for other Catholics.
This was the first national gathering for Call to Action’s FitzGerald, who took over this year from Dan and Sheila Daley, who had led Call to Action since its earliest days. FitzGerald explained his vision for the organization in a plenary session:
- “We believe in a church that instead of investigating one another, we hold honest, transparent and open dialogue, especially when we disagree;
- “A church that not only advocates for the poor and oppressed but does so from a place of love, peace, and nonviolence;
- “A church that not only works for equal opportunity for women in church leadership, but also recognizes the holy feminine that dwells within us all … in men as well as women;
- “A church that not only addresses racism in our communities and organizational structures, but also honestly confronts white privilege and racism in ourselves;
- “A church that not only values its youth, but invites every generation to fully participate so that the wisdom generation can learn from youth just as much as youth can learn from those most experienced in life;
- “A church that not only affirms and celebrates LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people], but believes these sisters and brothers should be welcomed to all sacraments, not just some of them.
“This vision of church will happen, but it has to come from us. Never before has Call to Action been so needed! The kin-dom of God is near and we are being called to co-create with God an inclusive church where everyone is celebrated for being the person they were created to be.”
The three-day conference, featured, as always, more workshops than any single person could attend, lively liturgies and plenary sessions. It drew together old activists and a growing numbers of “NextGen” Catholics. The gathering, meanwhile, awarded its 2009 Call to Action Leadership Award to Barbara Blaine and David Clohessy, president and national director, respectively, of SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests) “for giving voice to the survivors” and working to hold the church accountable on this issue.
Thomas C. Fox is NCR editor and can be reached at tfox@ncronline.org.




This group, Voice of the
This group, Voice of the Faithful, has some wild ideas! They better be careful or they will be attracting people of the same ilk as Jesus! Best be careful, or the Roman Church will try to snuff them out---------oh, that's right, it already has! Keep up the good work, and God bless.
I am heartened by the
I am heartened by the leadership awards given to Barbara Blaine and David Clohessy by Call to Action at the 2009 convention. They are dear friends and although I have been on this road, the "one less traveled by" for just a few years with them, I know only too well the difficulty and costs of standing up for justice, accountability and transparency when those who hold the reins of power are more comfortable with collusion, conspiracy and cover-up.
Together with the church's continuing problem of the sexual abuse not only children but also of young women, men and vulnerable adults in countries around the world, a terrible disservice is done to women, men and society at large when spiritual leaders deny equal rights and the freedom of conscience to more than half their membership - rights they say they hold so dear.
Separate but equal rings with a dissonance much like that suffered by our sisters and brothers of color not that many decades ago. Forbidding all discussion on an issue so divisive as to who really mirrors Jesus and who does not certainly doesn't bode well for the unity that the sacrament of Baptism proclaims.
One cannot help but notice that while using its heavy inquisitorial hand against active orders of women religious and their leadership instead of dialoguing, these same ecclesiastical authorities are inviting disenchanted, misogynistic and homophobic Anglicans into the Catholic fold on a broader scale then has ever been seen before.
It is true that the LCWR has been less welcoming of abuse victims then many of us had expected. The last thing most women religious want to see is that we are perceived as being as insensitive to victims of sexual abuse - by anyone - as many of our own bishops have been. Welcoming a victim-survivor or two to address the LCWR in formal session should not be looked upon as suspect. I cannot honestly believe that we would fall into the same catagory as a Cardinal Law or a Bishop McCormack in enabling, facilitating or covering up for sexual predators.
Sister Maureen Paul Turlish
New Castle, Delaware
maureenpaulturlish@yahoo.com
If you bring up Law you must
If you bring up Law you must also bring up Weakland, who also covered up abuse and was himself a sexual abuser and embezzler. Also, sister, how can you be so sure the good sisters were not as bad when they continue to refuse to open themselves up for investigation. Just how many cases of abuse are they hiding...5 or 10 or 5000?
Weakland is retired and lives
Weakland is retired and lives a very secluded life...he has asked for forgiveness from all he hurt & repaid his debt to the Archdiocese of Milwaukee...many of us miss him a lot...he had depth, learning, great spirituality..; Law is living the high life in Rome, large salary, big car, big church, big time appointments on Vatican commissions/councils, etc.
No comparison.
I don't think the
I don't think the investigators are looking for sexual abuse. Otherwise why wouldn't they be doing an investigation like this on male monasteries as well?
Weakland is a very good and
Weakland is a very good and holy man. There is no comparison.
So I guess he is like
So I guess he is like so-called Catholic politicians then. He is privately a good and holy man but publicly someone who covered up the abuse of himself and others.
So a man who abuses children,
So a man who abuses children, covers it up, moves other pervert priests around is a Very Good and Holy Man. Wow
To call Archbishop Weakland a
To call Archbishop Weakland a sexual abuser and embezzler is libel. I note that "Anonymous" did not have the courage to state this libel under his or her own name. Weakland has admitted having a relationship with an adult male. While the relationship was unwise and may have been sinful, it was not sexual abuse. "Let the one without sin cast the first stone." Moreover, that person turned out to be a low-life blackmailer who threatened a sexual harassment lawsuit, which would ultimately have been against the diocese. Weakland's payment to him was not embezzling. It was the kind of decision that is made by people every day who run organizations the size of a diocese. It is sometimes better to settle than to face the expense of a lawsuit. However, the blackmailer did not keep his end of the bargain. He took the money but eventually went public with scurrilous allegations against Weakland. It should also be noted that after the blackmailer went public and the payments from the diocese became public, Weakland's many friends in the diocese donated money to repay the diocese for the payment that had been made to the blackmailer. The real evil in this whole matter is that Weakland's age-forced letter of resignation was accepted by the Vatican as soon as this matter became public, and a Church official whose talents and intellect we really need today was effectively silenced.
I read Weakland payed a lot
I read Weakland payed a lot out of his own poclet at first and not the diocese. When Weakland refused to keep on paying and payig the blackmailer broke the story
And a just man too! Many
And a just man too! Many years ago, and prior to his appointment as Archbishop of Milwaukee, I had occasion to meet Rembert Weakland when he was doing a visitation of St. Leo Abbey (Florida). I was as a young married man with one child and employed by the abbey's Retreat Center. Weakland was visiting St. Leo in the context of his role at the time as Abbot Primate of the international Benedictine Confederation based in San Anselmo, Rome. When Weakland walked into our staff meeting, at the invitation of the monk-priest who was then director of the retreat center, Weakland looked directly at me and my colleague, also a young married layman with a child, and then looked at the director and said squarely, "Father ____, I do hope your Abbey is paying these young laymen a fair and just salary to support their families." … This was a just, talented, deeply spiritual, highly intelligent holy man. Like all of his, he is human, but of the compassionate variety, hence his holiness. If you read this, Rembert, know that you have run the race well. Godspeed! - John Frank, Jacksonville, FL.
In the true spirit of Jesus,
In the true spirit of Jesus, Pope John XXIII is the one who should be canonized. These days, Pope Benedict's inquisition is turning Catholic Church hierarchy into the Catholic Taliban. How soon will they insist that nuns and Catholic women wear the equivalent of the burka or the chador? They are digging the Church's own grave with their unChristian attitudes. They are certainly not finding their inspiration in Jesus.
Many people on here WOULD
Many people on here WOULD like it if the religious sisters wore "the equivalent of the burka or the chador." That's what they are clamoring for. They just don't connect those dots because they see their repression of women as superior to those of other faiths.
Your vision for Church will
Your vision for Church will never be realized. Dissenters and heretics like you should just leave if you're not willing to submit to God's will as authoritatively taught by the Magisterium. You're false prophets; fools.
Dear Prop8, Maybe you shouold
Dear Prop8,
Maybe you shouold be the one to leave. We aren't going anywhere and joyfully await the new dawn of the Church. I think Jesus is smiling.
Weeping is more like it.
Weeping is more like it. Such disobedience. Did not Christ give ecclesial authority to Peter and his successors?
I doubt that the words
I doubt that the words "ecclesial authority" were a part of Jesus' vocabulary.
Read papal history and tell me that ecclesial authority is flawless. Too much power is corrupting especially where religion is concerned.
Jesus didn't use the words
Jesus didn't use the words "ecclesial authority" or "magisterium." He mentioned "Scribes, Pharisees, and chief priests of the temple, however.
yeah, he had a lot to say
yeah, he had a lot to say about, what was that, whited sepulchers or something?
In Matthew 16, Jesus gave
In Matthew 16, Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom and the power to bind and loose. The Church understands that to be the conferral of ecclesial authority. You don't know the Bible or Catholic doctrine very well, which is a common problem among NCR-type dissident libs.
Dear me, Prop 8, I guess that
Dear me, Prop 8, I guess that diploma on my wall in Religious Studies and those years working in the Church in ministry don't count for as much as your visible support of
homophobia.
If you'd care to discuss the various scholarly interpretations of Jesus' famous charter to Simon Peter, I'm game; and I do indeed feel adequately equipped to discuss that and how it forms the intellectual basis of the notion of Apostolic Succession.
Don't assume that those who differ with you are either ignorant, uneducated, or simply not as 'Catholic' as you fancy yourself to be.
Tom A. on Nov. 09, 2009. You
Tom A. on Nov. 09, 2009.
You stated:
"Weeping is more like it. Such disobedience. Did not Christ give ecclesial authority to Peter and his successors?"
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There is so much more we can give God than obedience. I'm not against obedience, but it's basically the parent-child relationship. It's what you do to create some order with three screaming kids in the house. God did not create the world or the church for the sake of social order and control. Hierarchy and clergy are not policemen, and their job is not enforcement---although there are some who love to see themselves in this position.
It is always sad to hear it, but after Roman Catholics, the second largest religious group in the United States is former Catholics. Only then can we appreciate Paul's seemingly cheap overstatement:
"Through the Law I am dead to the Law, so that finally I can live for God."
(Galatians 2:19)
When we make black-and-white law our goal and purpose, it comes back to haunt us, because people leave and attack us with the same black-and-while thinking in which we have trained them. It always eventually backfires, as we are seeing in those Catholic countries where the Church once had the total hegemony, like in Ireland and Poland, and long ago in Italy, France and Spain.
We, instead, have been given a God who not only allows us to make mistakes, but even uses our mistakes in our favor! That is the Gospel economy of grace and is the only thing worthy of being called "good news, and a joy for all the people" (Luke 2:10). If we could have come to God by obedience to laws, there would have been no need for God's love revelation in Jesus. The techniques for order and obedience were already in place in the Old Testament.
You are correct, we have much
You are correct, we have much to give to God other than obedience. But we are still required to give obedience. Just because we give other things to God, does not relieve us of our duty to be obedient to His Word. For afterall, we call him Father, and we are children of God, so I see no problem with a parent-child relationship with God Our Father. Christ called God His Father and taught us to pray the Our Father.
As far as your Galatian quote goes, no one is suggesting we are saved for following the rules of the Church. I have a hard time following them myself. But I will never tell anyone that its ok to disobey a teaching of the Church. I accept the teachings of the Church. Do you? Be careful before you answer, for if you say no, you place yourself outside of the Church where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Tom A. on Nov. 10, 2009. You
Tom A. on Nov. 10, 2009.
You stated:
"You are correct, we have much to give to God other than obedience. But we are still required to give obedience. Just because we give other things to God, does not relieve us of our duty to be obedient to His Word. For afterall, we call him Father, and we are children of God, so I see no problem with a parent-child relationship with God Our Father. Christ called God His Father and taught us to pray the Our Father.
As far as your Galatian quote goes, no one is suggesting we are saved for following the rules of the Church. I have a hard time following them myself. But I will never tell anyone that its ok to disobey a teaching of the Church. I accept the teachings of the Church. Do you? Be careful before you answer, for if you say no, you place yourself outside of the Church where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth."
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We are the People of God. The revival of the concept of the "people of God" to describe the church was one of the crowning achievements of the Second Vatican Council (Lumen Gentium 9-17). The notion deepens the realization of the church as 'communio' and locates the church within the history of salvation, links it to the chosen people of Israel, and identifies those called by God who respond to the message of Christ.
"This messianic people has Christ for its head....This people have been given the dignity and the freedom of sons and daughters of God, in whose hearts the Holy Spirit dwells as in a temple. For its law, it has the new commandment of love...and for its goal it has the kingdom of God...It constitutes for the whole human race a most solid seed of unity, hope and salvation. It was set up by Christ as a communion of life, love and truth...and sent to the whole world as the light of the world and the salt of the earth." (LG 9)
The concept of the People of God transcends the laity-hierarchy dualism, and points to the communality and solidarity of a single people. It depicts a people on the march through history, a pilgrim people, but a people united and empowered. The People of God is much larger than the Catholic Church. Actually, the Catholic Church is properly described as one part, and one part only, of this People of God. This one people is made up of distinct groups. The groups differ in geography, history, race, and culture as well as in spiritual and liturgical traditions.
For the People of God, the New Testament teaches about the "glorious freedom of the children of God (Rom. 8:21) loud and clear. This shining facet of Christ's redeeming message has been often obscurred in recent centuries. The Catholic Church's reactions to the Protestant Reformation and to modern political liberalism (after the French Revolution) caused Catholic theology to downplay the pristine teaching on Christian freedom.
And we are seeing this downplay once again, as our current Pope (a terrified man) and his Curia members (also frightened men), try to snatch the Church back to the fortress mentality of Trent, and Vatican I. They are using humiliation, pressure, coercion, and threats (often privately) and sometimes publically to force THEIR vision of the Church upon others. Yet the documents of Vatican II stand---and the large numbers of Cardinals, Arch/bishops who approved them---cannot be just whistled off as an insignificant event.
While people often cite the documents of Lumen Gentium on this website, some of the other documents of Vatican II go unnoticed. One of these is the Declaration on Religous Freedom "Dignitatis Humanae". This most controversal document was approved on December 7, 1965. Of the Council Fathers 2,308 approved it and 70 opposed it.
This document states quite clearly that based on the nature of the human person and on the nature of religion, and on divine revalation, non-Catholics and Catholics, both have rights and cannot be forced by the Church or Church authorities to act against their conscience. Here are some concepts from this document.
"This Vatican synod declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. Such freedom consists in this, that all should have such immunity from coercion by individuals, or by groups, or by any human power, that no one should be forced to act against his (or her) conscience in religious matters." (DH 2) The response of human person to God's self-revelaton and invitation to become God's adoptive children through Jesus Christ must be both reasonable and free (DH 10). God calls humankind to serve hin in spirit and truth, by personal choice, and not as a result of any sort of external coercion. That is how Christ acted with his own disciples, and how he instructed them to proclaim the gospel to the world. The apostles followed the same course of action in their efforts to bring people to God, not by any kind of force, not by multiplication of law, by solely by the power of God's message (DH 11).
Our God is not a God of domination. God seeks our transformation through interior change. God is willing to wait, allow, forgive, trust and love unconditionally. It is a waste of time to tell people to love generously when the God that they have been presented with is a taskmaster, loves quite conditionally, is easily offended, very needy and threatens people with etrnal torture if they do not "believe" in God. And the only people who present this picture of God are those who suffer, themselves, under the concept of a petty and violent God.
LittleBear In less than five
LittleBear In less than five paragraphs you have effectivly rationalized into oblivion the prime virtue of Obediance and all but ignored her sister, that of Humility. Perhaps if we look at the virtue of Obediance from another angle you may reconsider its importance namely that its counterpart is pride. A prideful soul does not need anyone except itself an Obedient one relies on others outside from itself. If you believe Catholic theology, even the Angels in Heaven had to choose their destiny ...either obedience to serve or pride that provoked an "I will not serve" for the rest of time. To serve one needs humility and if one has this obedience is not simply a parent-child relationship, but a truly divine act if done in the service of Faith.
The word 'humility', so we
The word 'humility', so we were told by a pastor, has its roots in the idea of standing firm on solid ground.
Obedience can be dangerous to the individual and larger society, i.e., the church.
I'd rather stand on solid ground than obey a hierarch whom I know to be wrong.
joseph on Nov. 13, 2009. You
joseph on Nov. 13, 2009.
You stated:
"LittleBear In less than five paragraphs you have effectivly rationalized into oblivion the prime virtue of Obediance and all but ignored her sister, that of Humility. Perhaps if we look at the virtue of Obediance from another angle you may reconsider its importance namely that its counterpart is pride. A prideful soul does not need anyone except itself an Obedient one relies on others outside from itself. If you believe Catholic theology, even the Angels in Heaven had to choose their destiny ...either obedience to serve or pride that provoked an "I will not serve" for the rest of time. To serve one needs humility and if one has this obedience is not simply a parent-child relationship, but a truly divine act if done in the service of Faith."
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There is the humility of knowing that one has been called into the dignity of
a child of God. And then, there is the humility of being door-mats---afraid of questioning, of discussion, of alternative manner of living coming out the Gospels.
So many on this site, list the holy women in the Church's past stating "how humble they were!" St. Catherine of Siena was threatened with excommunication. St. Clare of Assisi withstood the pressure of four popes to foist a rule of life upon her and her Poor Ladies. St. Bridget of Sweden also stood up to Popes. Blessed Mary McKillop of Australia---WAS excommunicated by her bishop for sticking to her guns in ministering to the Aborgines of Australia. And Oscar Romero was called in on the carpet by John Paul II---actually yelled at. The Pope tolk him 'Listen to the rich families. What are you doing with all of this activity with the poor?'
Did they 'obey' and where was their HUMILITY? Their obedience was FIRST to Christ and his mandates.
Can we make mistakes in opting for this stance? Of course! But God is one who not only allows us to make mistakes, but even uses our mistakes in our favor! That is the Gospel economy of grace and is the only thing worthy of being called "good news, and a joy for all the people" (Luke 2:10). If we could come to God by obedience to laws, there would have been no need for God's loving revelation in Jesus---for the very gift of Jesus himself. The techniques for order, obedience and (yes, humility) were already in place centuries ago---coming from the covenant at Mount Sinai and from the books of the Torah.
Bravo Stevie: There are many
Bravo Stevie: There are many more of us out here awaiting the new dawn with you.
Neither one needs to leave.
Neither one needs to leave. Both are part of the mystical body of Christ regardless at their unwillingness to realize it (althoug their name calling does great damage to it). Christ may weep, but loves us and, in a way that is beyond us, binds us together thru his love and sacrifice. All this despite our differences and disrespect for others - yes, indeed, Christ may weep from some of these comments. I sometimes wonder why it is so difficult for some, who claim to be followers of the risen Christ, The Prince of Peace, to appreciate the extent of this love and to try to show it. Peace and prayers for all, regardless of our differences.
I agree wholeheartedly with
I agree wholeheartedly with your post. The degree of disrespect and bile directed at their fellow Catholics by some of the posters on this site is depressing. I have visited this site for a number of years but increasingly avoid reading the comments on the articles because of this trend.
Robust debate is one thing but mere abuse is another. Since all comments are moderated, I think the guidelines on what is acceptable in a post and how they are being applied need to be revisited.
And the magisterium knows
And the magisterium knows God's will for each of us, unique creations each one of us, from different nations, different cultures, differnet ages. And wonder of wonders, it is exactly the same for everyone.
Dear Prop 8 (who was Gr8?):
Dear Prop 8 (who was Gr8?): "You're false prophets; fools" you write. Who is the Catholic Christian here? Is it the one who calls us "fool", "heretics" and tells us to leave or is it those who seek inclusiveness and the community of equals - brothers and sisters? The vatican is not a disguise or shelter from hatred.
"The vatican is not a
"The vatican is not a disguise or shelter from hatred."
The above referenced statement is correct in theory only.
In practice, theory/theology has often served to disguise and shelter hatred/bigotry/pedaphile priests/and political power. The effect of religious authorities engaging in practices bereft of faith is secularization.
The public relations arm of multinational corporations that dump/polute/and contribute to politicians under the table while advertising how wonderful they are is a similar secular dynamic.
And God's will for each of
And God's will for each of His unique creations is known only by the magisterium? It is statistically impossible that His will be one and only one way. I wonder why we have Jesuits, Dominicans, Benedictines and so many differ charisms.
Amen, Stevie! And as for
Amen, Stevie! And as for you, Prop 8 -- I will pray for you, that God grant you the grace to drop the scales from your eyes. May your hardened heart find healing. God bless.
It is difficult to live with
It is difficult to live with uncertainty. Remember the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head. So on our journey through life, the sure path is to open our hearts to God's grace, God's love and our brothers and sisters all around us.
LESSONS FROM LUTHER Recently
LESSONS FROM LUTHER
Recently I have been reading an in-depth history of the Reformation (Protestant and Catholic by Diarmaid MacCulloch, Penguin Books, 2003). While reading this dense and scholarly tome, I was struck by how much of the 16th century seems to mirror some of our current impasses within our Catholic faith. We would do well to learn from Luther that, if minor problems were not addressed and problems were dismissed by Rome as "creeping concilarism" or an effort to actually live out the call to the "priesthood of all believer", then those very same problems tend to fester and sicken the ecclesial body. MacCulloch's book cogently argues that the Roman Pontiff and his Curia totally misread the "signs of the times". If the Vatican would have addressed simple liturgical reforms and reformed the practice of indulgences, the author believes that much of the Protestant schism would have dissipated after having earned the respect as "mutual, mature, Christians" recognized by the Holy See.
500+ years later and the modus operandi of celibate, male, clerics is still operating under an outdated and irrelevant theology. Because Benedict et. al. seem to know the TRUTH, they take a pre-emptive strik attitude by cutting off dialogue on issues of women's ordination, celibacy, homosexuality before we can even begin to sit at the same table. The church is fossilizing into a Babylonian Captivity mode whereby "on-going revelation" of the Holy Spirit is null and void and dismissed out of hand as just another secular relativism.
I might remind the Church that the relativistic ideas of vernacular Bibles, the return "ad fontes" to scholarly scriptural study, and the excessive centralization of power in the Papacy were just such "relativistic" ideas which lead to Luther's call for a church that is semper reformanda. Oh well, maybe we will start seeing a few more Zwingli's, Calvins, and Luthers start popping out of the woodwook - and I would venture to say that many of them will be women. In the meantime we must continue to SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER And follow the authority of our conscience as one great Cardinal counselled us to do in the 19th century - that was a certain John Henry Newman.
I just hope that there are no new Savranolas running around looking for matches and a little fun by having another "Bonfire of the Vanities". Oh wait, we are going to do that when our women religious are "investigated".
In the meantime, my mantra is the one Luther used when brought up on heresy charges. He said, "HERE I STAND; I CAN DO NO OTHER".
Rick Folker in KC
And we will see more Luthers,
And we will see more Luthers, Zwinglis, and Calvins excommunicated too.
and just like Luther who
and just like Luther who witnessed the disintegration of his "church" which had split to around 30,000 and still counting, yours will also divide a hundredfold because of your follow the conscience philosophy. as short-sighted thinkers like Luther, you protesters are, I wish you all the luck.
Edmund, But if you disagree
Edmund,
But if you disagree with the "follow your conscience" philosophy (actually theology) you disagree with Catholic teaching. Although this teaching was affirmed by the Vatican Council, it was Catholic teaching long before that council. I discovered it in a moral theology text (hidden it seemed in a Latin footnote) in the pre-Vat II 1950s.
The modern day Zwingli's,
The modern day Zwingli's, Calvins, and Luthers speaking truth to authority are already among us -- in RCWP, CTA, Dignity, and the members of religious communities, male and female -- "excommunicated" for speaking truth to power. Their followers are the millions of fallen/driven away Catholics said to be the fastest growing religious denomination in the country.
The (capital C) Church is the Body of the Faithful united with Christ. No mere man can excommunicate anyone from that Body. The (small c) church is a human institution subject to human failures. The present church leadership is on the wrong side of history. Who does history honor from the similarly controversial upheavals 500 years ago -- Luther, Galileo and Joan of Arc, or the now obscure Popes and bishops who persecuted them?
It is clear that, far from
It is clear that, far from silencing her, Bp. Pilarczyk has drawn attention to Sr. Louise's cause, and created a new one; the Draconian behavior of the new breed of
American bishops towards those who would engage in unwelcome discussions.
However, there is a bit of a case of "physician heal thyself" here:
There is also a need for persistence in raising questions or objections to such abuses as the pedophile scandal. The lack of accountability is more and more evident and cries out for a new model of leadership.”
It is unfortunate that the above statement can be as easily applied to the Leadership
Conference of Women Religious and to any number of religious orders of women when it
comes to their own institutional culpability around the abuse of children and vulnerable adults. Simply put, they have refused both dialogue and accountability.
They have, to some degree, adopted the worst habits of the very male leadership which
they decry.
Sr. Louise's argument would be much more convincing if her Sisters would give some evidence of themselves adopting that "new model of leadership."
And there is no question that that is the desired outcome... that the LCWR and others would eschew hierarchical and paternalistic leadership where it has crept into their midst, and thus point the way to a better way for the Church.
I do not see women's
I do not see women's ordination as a justice issue. And perhaps we ought to let that go. However, it is an issue of stewardship of gifts/talents bestowed by the Holy Spirit. Sadly, not all are able to exercise the fullness of these gifts.
Anonymous on Nov. 09,
Anonymous on Nov. 09, 2009.
You stated:
"I do not see women's ordination as a justice issue. And perhaps we ought to let that go. However, it is an issue of stewardship of gifts/talents bestowed by the Holy Spirit. Sadly, not all are able to exercise the fullness of these gifts."
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If the Holy Spirit gives gifts to both men and women (and both receive these gifts---not just men), then, failing to celebrate and utilize these gifts by the Church, is indeed, injust! The greatest gift that Christ gave us, along with winning our salvation with his blood, is the gift of the Eucharist. THAT sacrament is the central point of who and what we are as Christians, as Catholics. Not the priesthood.
Yet, we have so many places on this earth, where people are denied the Eucharist, because of lack of priests. The fact that the official Church is willing to permit this 'spiritual famine'---rather than call forth women and married Catholics to be priests. This is an INJUSTICE to God's people, and to God Who gifts these men and women with the call to minister.
Mary is the one who received
Mary is the one who received the first Eucharist and the first Confirmation and who brought the first Eucharist into the world. What would that imply? She was and is the first ......
RK Lets make it a multiple
RK Lets make it a multiple choice question!
A. Mary was the first Priest.
B. Mary is the first Priest
C. Mary was/is and always will be the first Priest.
God to conservatives: I know this is like way dissapointing for you but ...
The answer is A, B and C!
Too bad ...
so sad...
Your DAD.
may we all now chant together
may we all now chant together the revolutionary Magnificat.
Mary.
The First Liberation Theologian.
Read your Balasuriya.
You are right. Women's
You are right. Women's ordination is an injustice (in the church) issue.
More whining about the
More whining about the Vatican??? When will these older religious get it that the feminisim of the sixties has changed and grown while they haven't. This constant victim stance is what has driven vocations away from many orders.
Let it go and move on!
And your evidence? Were you
And your evidence? Were you driven away?
Call to Get Over It! I
Call to Get Over It!
I completely agree with you. As a Catholic in my late 20's, I find myself not seeing eye-to-eye with some of their positions, politics, views. Reading the article gives me the impression that, for a certain generation of Catholic, they are living in some other time period. I almost feel bad for them. Call to Action should change its name to "Call to Get Over it and Move on..."
Anonymous on Nov. 09,
Anonymous on Nov. 09, 2009.
You stated:
"Call to Get Over It!
I completely agree with you. As a Catholic in my late 20's, I find myself not seeing eye-to-eye with some of their positions, politics, views. Reading the article gives me the impression that, for a certain generation of Catholic, they are living in some other time period. I almost feel bad for them. Call to Action should change its name to "Call to Get Over it and Move on..."
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Are you a woman? Are you a member of a non-white race? If you aren't, of course you can't see eye-to-eye with CTA's positions. You wouldn't have been able to see eye-to-eye with women struggling to win the right to vote in the late 1800's and early 20th Century. Or you wouldn't understand the struggle Blacks had trying to win racial equality in the American society in the 1960's. Sadly, the Native Americans do not completely have this yet. No, you have had all the privileges accorded to you---what do you know about any of this?
The Church is the last sexist, biased, religious institution in the western world. And it gets away with this attitude by couching its stance upon religious practices (just like the fanatical Taliban and Al Quida).
Your response of "Get over it and move on" is what some members of the Church Hierarchy told victims of clergy sexual abuse to do. Did you know that?
Little Bear, there you go
Little Bear, there you go again! Pontificating from a morally superior position. You have no idea what minorities went through or continue to go through either. You have no idea whether Anonymous had "all the privileges accorded to you." It may surprise you that some "non'whites" have more privileges than some "whites." The daughters of President Obama live in a more privileged world than most white people can ever dream of. Once again, to compare the hierarchy of the Church to the Taliban and Al Quida---cold-hearted terrorists who think nothing of killing thousands of innocent people--shows us how foolish you truly are. You may have all your alleged degrees, but you lack common sense and logic.
When the church had the power
When the church had the power to get away with it its behavior was not that different from cold hearted terrorists of today. Reading some of these blogs one realises that the spirit that violently tortured and terrorised its way through history is still around The only thing that has changed and protects us is secular law separating church and state..
Milbo 1 on Nov. 10,
Milbo 1 on Nov. 10, 2009.
Little Bear, there you go again! Pontificating from a morally superior position. You have no idea what minorities went through or continue to go through either. You have no idea whether Anonymous had "all the privileges accorded to you." It may surprise you that some "non'whites" have more privileges than some "whites." The daughters of President Obama live in a more privileged world than most white people can ever dream of. Once again, to compare the hierarchy of the Church to the Taliban and Al Quida---cold-hearted terrorists who think nothing of killing thousands of innocent people--shows us how foolish you truly are. You may have all your alleged degrees, but you lack common sense and logic.
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My father was a career Army man (Rangers) and my mother was an Army nurse. We were transferred all over the country. From age 6 months until I was almost 4 , we lived in the deep South. My father was often out on training and my mother worked daily, so I had a nanny---a wonderful black woman. I was taken each day to the other side of the tracks, where the black community lived. I sat at her kitchen table with her 6 children and her older brother. I ate meals with them. I got on the bus with her and rode in the back of the bus--because Blacks couldn't sit up front. When we walked downtown (Macon, GA), she would hold my hand, and step of the sidewalk into the street, because whites were passing us---and she was not considered good enough to be on the same sidewalk with whites. I heard her being called "Girl" although she was a mature woman and a wonderful mother.
There were so many other instances of racial injustice that I saw. Moving to South Dakota and only a few miles from Pine Ridge Reservation---I also witnessed other forms of discrimination against native Americans. One was that a promising young boy on the reservation---in order to give him a greater chance to develop his scientific gifts---the priests who ran the reservation school---wanted to send him to public school in the local town. Instead, rocks were tossed through the school windows with a message on it, "Keep your dirty redskins on the reservation, or else..." I learned much about discrimination before my 7th birthday.
You cited the privileges of President Obama's daughters. The girls are in the minority here. Go to America's inner cities, and see all of their 'privileges.' Go to Detroit---less than 48% percent of the non-whites even graduate from high school, never mind going on to college.
Killing---there is the killing of the body which the Taliban and Al Quida carry out---yes, it is terrible. And then, there is the killing of the soul and spirit, which our official Church has carried out for centuries and centuries---and still does today. And the causalities are in the millions.
Little Bear, in this same
Little Bear, in this same article you write:
"The Church is the last sexist, biased, religious institution in the western world. And it gets away with this attitude by couching its stance upon religious practices (just like the fanatical Taliban and Al Quida)."
"...there is the killing of the soul and spirit, which our official Church has carried out for centuries and centuries---and still does today. And the causalities are in the millions."
An intelligent person like you must know that the most important thing we do in this life is to save our souls. Why stay in an institution that is killing your soul? It is time, my dear sister, to start that church of yours. I wish you well. I will pray for your soul.
I do, dear friend, find your childhood fantasies amusing. Was it by age 10 that you were reading the unedited document of Vatican II?
Milbo you make no sense.
Milbo you make no sense. Perhaps you have lost your soul. Try backtracking a bit. It could be in the very spot where you lost your mind.
Mr Milbo on nov 16, you wrote
Mr Milbo on nov 16, you wrote to Little Bear:
“An intelligent person like you must know that the most important thing we do in this life is to save our souls. Why stay in an institution that is killing your soul? It is time, my dear sister, to start that church of yours. I wish you well. I will pray for your soul.”
At a joyful 82 years I can still detect a red herring from 3 meters away.
I have read the Gospels in almost a dozen different languages and have as yet to stumble on real evidence that Jesus was so interested in saving his or our “souls.” As an ethnic Jew the idea of “souls” would not even have occured to Jesus and as a legitimate Semite he just related to “living persons” towards whom he felt tremendous compassion.
In my humble opinion Milbo, I think the declaration of your faith is one of the great problems of our church and many religions today. Everybody seems to be staring at their belly buttons and wandering just when, if and how they are going to arrive at the pearly gates.
Jesus had only one concern in life and that was to get a-going the kingdom of his daddy God or as he called him, “abbá-Father.” He just kept on pushing along this, his life’s project, and when the powers that were could not stand him anymore, they just hung him from the cross from where he still kept faith as we hear him with his last breath hand over his person and his life’s project into the hands of his daddy, abbá-Father. The bringing about the kingdom of God, “thy kingdom come on earth as it is heaven”, that “other possible world”, is the reason for Jesus’ life and the motive for his assassination. We are Christians only because we believe Jesus arose and continues living among us to strengthen us and prod us to get to work daily to build that “other possible world” the Kingdom of his abbá-Father, based on the activity of the life of Jesus: ¨love one another just as I have loved you. ... Blessed are you poor, the Kingdom of God is yours... whatever you do for one of the least important of these my brothers you did for me.’ These ¨poor, suffering, hungry, immigrants, ill, old and decrepit people, outcasts and marginal slobs for society”, Jesus called “his vicars on earth”.
From a third world point of view, it is incredible that Christians should get so involved in bureaucratic details of organization that they almost forget their very own raison d’etre. Every four seconds one of our brothers or sisters (remember: “OUR Father”) dies of hunger in our world that produces more food that can be consumed. Our poor “mother earth” is falling apart from our greedy abuse of nature, and we hope and pray that shortly at Copenhagen the “powers that be” will get off the pot and start working to save our planet so that our grand children will still be able to enjoy our God given life.
Peace to you Milbo.
Justiniano de Managua
True, feminism has grown and
True, feminism has grown and changed while the church remains an ossified relic to its misygonist past. When will these 70 and 80 year old primates get it? Oppressing women can no longer be done with impunity.
Many will "move on" church structure to change its unholy act of allowing 7 sacraments for boys and only 6 for girls. They will continue to expose the false theology that undergirds it. The consequences of sending a very bad message to half the human race is cause for justice.
Pride is the evil, from
Pride is the evil, from Satan's, "You shall be like God" to today and beyond. Mary is the model, humility...not pride.
Humility and being walked
Humility and being walked upon are two distinct outcomes.
Anon: You are referring to
Anon: You are referring to the hierarchy, of course.
Humility and being a carpet
Humility and being a carpet to be walked upon is not the same.
Hello... remember Jesus
Hello... remember Jesus Christ in calvary? Think again.
And the church and Just War
And the church and Just War Theory comes from where? And the church defends itself from lawsuits and won't allow itself to be walked on comes from where?
The conservative guy rattles the sabor as a warrior/soldier of christ that says lay down, dumb down, and let us abuse and walk all over you. He's the guy that insists on beng the wilcat when invoking that beautiful future when the lion lies down with a leg of lamb.
You think of Jesus in Calvary
You think of Jesus in Calvary like a 'carpet to be walked upon'?
Jesus was not walked upon by
Jesus was not walked upon by the religious and political authorities. Indeed, they feared this man who was perceived to threaten their comfortable status quo.
Instead, he was a humble man, i.e., one who knew that he stood firmly on solid ground in his teaching and preaching.
Don't confuse humility with being a doormat. Not the same.
Call to Action has been near
Call to Action has been near and dear to my heart since its inception following the marvelous 1976 U.S. Bishops'-led convocation in Detroit at which I was a representative.
Each year my enthusiasm and pride grows as I witness this movement grow in "age, wisdom and grace." This report only contributes energy to this growth. Thanks.
This struggle for equality
This struggle for equality for women in the Church is just starting. I firmly believe that Magdalene was an equal among the 12 ! Jesus was a feminist. We will "keep on keeping on"
I believe that as well. Yet,
I believe that as well. Yet, I am prepared for those who will claim yes, she was an equal, but her call was different. I believe she was called as the other 12 were. I am comfortable with this belief and hope you are as well. Peace and prayers.
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