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Before Holy Week, a look at Zechariah's nonviolent king
Holy Week offers a strange image -- the image of a nonviolent leader who comes to abolish war once and for all and proclaim peace to the whole world. Is this really the kind of messiah we want?
Everywhere I go, I hear how countless church leaders, politicians, and ordinary Catholics support our country, our military, and our wars. They apparently believe in a rich and powerful God who will save us to be rich and powerful, a God of war who will bless our weapons and our wars so that we can kill our enemies, steal their natural resources, and find true security in our weapons.
As our politicians approached a government shut down last week, and cut millions of dollars for social programs for the poor at home and abroad, it was stunning to hear not one mention from them, or the media, about cutting our military budget.
This year, we will spend over $100 billion for the war in Afghanistan. The National Priorities project says that 27.4 percent of each citizen’s taxes go to that war. We wage war in Iraq, Libya, and Pakistan and continue to spend billions to build and maintain our nuclear weapons. It seems we have unlimited money for mass murder.
The solution to the budget crisis is simple. Shut down our wars. Shut down the Pentagon. Shut down Los Alamos. Shut down the Trident submarine bases, the SAC base, death row, the School of the Americas, all our military bases, and all our weapons manufacturing plants. If we stopped these wars, brought our troops home, and cut our military budget, we would have plenty of money not only to balance the budget, but to improve our schools, fund new jobs, offer free healthcare, build homes, and feed the world’s poor.
Here are five U.S. nuclear weapons related programs, which probably violate the U.S.-signed Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and should be immediately cut:
- The new CMRR (Plutonium bomb factory) in Los Alamos, N.M., estimated to cost $5.86 billion in FY 2012;
- The new Uranium Bomb factory in Oak Ridge, Tenn., estimated to cost $6.5 billion in FY 2012;
- The new nuclear weapons parts factory in Kansas City, estimated to cost between $1.2 and $3.6 billion;
- The Nuclear Warhead Life Extension program which would modify the B61 nuclear bomb, estimated to cost $4 billion;
- The Nuclear Warhead Life Extension program which would design a new warhead for the refurbished W87 warhead, which was originally estimated to cost $26 million.
Instead of cutting the budget for mass murder, we cut services to the poor. We must demand the reverse.
Meanwhile, instead of condemning our wars, church leaders condemn Fordham theologian Sr. Elizabeth Johnson and others for speaking of God and following Jesus.
Over these last few weeks as I have traveled the country, I met thousands of people, many actively grieving the direction of our church, our country and our world. Yet so many people support war, want to cut programs for the poor, and care little about the world's poor, that it makes me wonder what God we worship, what kind of messiah we follow.
In light of our predicament, the start of Holy Week is provocative, even shocking. It begins with a symbolic peace march. The nonviolent Jesus enters Jerusalem by riding in on a donkey!
Jesus knows what he is doing. He is not just tired of walking. He is fulfilling the ancient oracle about the coming of a new “king” of nonviolence, a gentle, humble, meek ruler who would work for the abolition of war and proclaim peace to the whole world.
Jesus’ arrival coincides with the triumphal military entry of the Roman imperial representative, Pontius Pilate, on the other side of Jerusalem. Jesus is making a bold, political statement. We need to understand what he was doing, if we want to be his followers and live according to his wisdom.
The stunning image comes from Zechariah 9:9-10:
When Jesus first saw Jerusalem, he grieved over the world’s violence and wept. Then he clearly decided to take two actions. His first symbolic action was to fulfill this oracle of Zechariah. (I’ll look at the second action -- his civil disobedience in the Temple -- next week.)
Jesus ordered the disciples to borrow a friend’s donkey, and then mounted the donkey and rode into Jerusalem. As he approached the city, the people hailed him with palm branches, and proclaimed him “king.”
The Zechariah image is perfect. Jesus does not ride a war chariot or a war. He intends to banish the war chariot, the war horse, and the warrior’s bow. He proclaims peace to everyone. He is indeed a “king” of nonviolence -- a whole new kind of leader.
With this episode alone, Christians are given the image of a nonviolent messiah who renounces war and violence and espouses peace and nonviolence. Anyone who claims to be a Christian must likewise renounce today’s equivalent of the war chariot, war horse and warrior’s bow and accept Jesus’ proclamation of peace.
If we truly hail this nonviolent messiah, we cannot support our nation’s wars, weapons, or warriors. We too strive to be meek, gentle and nonviolent. We too proclaim peace to the nations.
Just because so many priests, ministers, bishops and countless lay Catholics support war and its deadly consequences does not mean that you and I have to. The nonviolent Jesus who rides into Jerusalem on a donkey has not given up hope. Indeed, he offers himself as a symbol of hope, an image of living nonviolence, a model for true leadership. He wants us to welcome him and do the same. He invites us to join the parade of peace, to follow him on the path of nonviolence.
As we begin these Holy Days of peace during this unholy time of war, I invite everyone to discuss the nonviolence of Jesus with those around them. Ask your relatives, friends, students, teachers, priests, co-workers and neighbors -- especially those who profess to be Christian -- about this messiah's scandalous nonviolence, his commands to love enemies and put down the sword, and the political implications for today.
I’ve been talking about the nonviolence of Jesus every day for the past thirty years. Whenever some Catholic or Christian challenges my anti-war stand, I always ask them about Jesus. What he would say? What they think about his peace teachings?
“Why do you bring him up?” they inevitably ask. “What does he have to do with this?”
“Everything,” I reply. “You cannot claim to be his follower and support war.” Bringing Jesus into such conversations often sheds new light on our violence and opens the possibility of a new life of nonviolence.
As Holy Week begins this Palm Sunday, maybe we need to ask, like the bystanders in Jerusalem, “Who is this? What is this guy doing on that donkey? What is his message?”
Notice the question in Matthew’s version:
During this Holy Week, let's listen anew to our just savior's message of peace, and take heart, because his nonviolence is indeed our salvation. Because of it, we can rejoice heartily.
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On Thursday, John will speak at Reed College in Portland, Ore., and then on Saturday, lead a day-long retreat on “the passion, death and resurrection of the nonviolent Jesus” in Houston, TX. He will lead a retreat on the Sermon on the Mount (April 29-May 1) in Los Angeles, and a retreat “The School of Prophets,” on the prophetic tradition from Isaiah to Jesus, May 20-22 at Kirkridge, near Bangor, Pa. (www.kirkridge.org). To hear a new podcast interview with John, go to www.jesusradicals.com. His latest book, Daniel Berrigan: Essential Writings (Orbis), and other recent books, A Persistent Peace and Put Down Your Sword, as well as Patricia Normile’s John Dear On Peace, are available from www.amazon.com. To contribute to Catholic Relief Services’ “Fr. John Dear Haiti Fund,” go to: http://donate.crs.org/goto/fatherjohn. For further information, or to schedule a lecture or retreat, visit: www.johndear.org.
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What witness it would be if
What witness it would be if the Catholic church refused to send military chaplains to help soldiers wage war...
Ah yes, nothing like refusing
Ah yes, nothing like refusing the Sacraments to those who may need them at the point of death.
Perhaps you would also support the refusal of Sacraments to those who support the holocaust of the unborn? Or are only SOME sins worthy of refusal of the Sacraments in your book?
the term military chaplain is
the term military chaplain is an oxymoron for a soul divided against itself
we cannot serve two masters
we cannot serve both God and death
soldiers, lay down your arms
beat your swords into plowshares
choose life
repent and confess and come home
to Life
God is Love
not death and war
stop the killings
stop the wars
chose life instead
desert
this is all the chaplain can say
stop killing
Love only
So...... you are in favor of
So...... you are in favor of not having the sacraments available to those who may be wounded or dying and in need of them. Your platitude strewn post neatly avoids addressing anything concrete. I similar case could be made along your lines for not allowing chaplains to visit the imprisoned.
I find it funny that you speak out against bishops that would refuse the Eucharist to politicians that push abortion, but then seem to be all in favor of refusing the sacraments to people who don't fit with your political ideology of absolute pacifism.
I'm sure that, if you even respond to this, it will be nothing more than a repeat of the platitudes you give above with no real effort made to explain why you favor preventing some people you don't like from getting Confession, the Eucharist, etc. Trying to explain that would take effort and reason on your part instead of simply pasting Hallmark greeting card sayings in a response box.
To be honest, I would actually respect you if you didn't try to hide behind your platitudes and simply stated directly what you think: that you believe that soldiers should not have the Sacraments available to them. Do you have the courage to do that charles?
This idea truly frightens me.
This idea truly frightens me. All need to have access to the sacraments. I don't support the Church's teaching on denying them to so many others, I certainly would not support denying them to soliders. There is too much of bringing politics into the Eucharist as it is.
My hat is off to you John.
My hat is off to you John. You are one of the few who comment on this site who is consistent in the application of their principles.
I see lots of commentators here get furious at the idea that the Eucharist be refused to certain politicians, only to then jump howling on the bandwagon of refusing the sacraments to others who are NOT part of their political circle.
So if you kill in the name of
So if you kill in the name of Jesus, destroy numerous cultures, take land, and convert those who share other beliefs or they don't receive resources, then what you're saying is the Catholic Church doesn't follow Christ.
How many people over the centuries has the Church killed and tortured in the name of Jesus? Millions.
You are a priest, but you are a soldier in the Army of Christ. Even the Vatican has an army. But you neglect to mention this and only focus on the big, bad USA..or Israel...or other nations that wish to protect and preserve democracy. You what a theocracy and that lead to the Dark Ages, so give it a rest, because your ideas and time are done.
Its easier to look out the window than in the mirror. Because if you look in the mirror you may not like what you see.
Peace through science, not god. Pease through capitalism, not socialism or god-king.
Bob, Unlike seemingly
Bob,
Unlike seemingly everyone else here, I am not an absolutist pacifist and accept the Church's teaching in this regard.
But, I have to take issue with something. "Science" can offer no 'peace' at all. There is nothing about 'science' that can do this. There is nothing in science that can fix our fallen nature, or our inclination to sin.
"Peace through capitalism"
- This is laughable. Capitalism, in it's pure form, will not allow for peace, if it is profitable to do otherwise.
There is only one SURE way of peace, and that is for all of us to try to become saints. This is VERY unpopular, as it is easier to say peace just requires we spend a weekend protesting an army base, as seems very popular, or 'peace through profits', than it is to try to be a saint.
"The Catholic ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult, and left untried."
- G. K. Chesterton
Peace through science and
Peace through science and God. Corporate capitalism is an extension of feudalism, colonialism; designed for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. Corporate capitalism and war are mutually enabling — and church-sanctioned in their overreach. How about risking a new conceptualization of Christianity?
I stand accused of wanting to "start over again." In seeking publication (ORBIS Books, Maryknoll, NY) of the manuscript GREEN RELIGION, Inside the Cultural Spectrum, I was rejected for meaning to “start over again the entire process of conceptualizing Christianity.” If changing from the static-centrist worldview to the evolutionary worldview involves starting over again the process of conceptualizing Christianity [as suggested by the Second Vatican Council, Constitution IV, Gaudium et spes, Introduction, #5, para 4,] then, I am guilty as charged. If, however, the rejection implies the discrediting of past Christian cultural advances, I deny the accusation; not to deny however that some of "advances" have been seriously in wrong directions.
I CONFESS that I mean to offer a basis for changing the trajectory of Judeo-Christian history from “instinctive” brutality to “intuitional” humanity — Eucharistic Altruism. WORDS are the missiles that can change from violence to wellbeing, but only if conceptualized in the peaceful purposes of the commonweal.
I assert that religious/ cultural consciousness must change even as faith and reason change. Neither faith nor reason compels, much less, justifies, fixation in misconceptions of old world consciousness that are exposed in new world understandings. I submit that the crises of the times root in dogmatic fixations of static-centrist thinking, i.e., in top-down theology (dominion) and imperial/ feudal culture (compelling submission of the under-privileged to serve the privileged.)
Top-down dominion-theology yet promotes the schism of energy/ matter, soul/ body, and the violent politics of guilt and fear, as "advanced" in patriarchal history and the wasting of nature and people. The schism of disconnection, i.e., of spirituality from materiality is destructive and dead-end.
Culturally, humankind and nature continue together to suffer precipitous, mutual self-degradation except nature is respected as the Place of Divine Instance and the Sacrament Condition of humankind and organic life, accommodating their common destinies by way of symbiosis and Eucharistic Purpose, i.e., engaged in forward thinking, not backward thinking as in fixation in dogma, cultured absolutism and scriptural literalism.
Redemption and salvation are by way of implanting new life consciousness in the tilth of dead and dying consciousness. Human intuition seeks faith-wholeness beyond instinctual violence. The Global People is “Church seeking wholeness” — gentes quaerentes sanitatem — the Way forward.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979228518
Your words are inspirational,
Your words are inspirational, as usual, Fr. John..thank you for this article.
“Why do you bring him up?”
“Why do you bring him up?” they inevitably ask. “What does he have to do with this?”
Priceless. I know this is not an exageratoin because I've had some of the same conversations. "What do the teachings of Jesus have to do with (peace, poor people, riches, etc").....
If the teachings are not to be thought about, followed, discussed, then why have 4 gospels chock full of Jesus teaching on literally every subject?
According to economist and
According to economist and author Jeffrey Sachs the polls show that Americans want less military, taxes on the very rich increased, help continued for the poor and investment in energy restructuring. The problem is that the special interests control the government. The media keeps anyone with different ideas to come the front. The extreme right wing wants to starve the government so there is not sufficient funds to do what government should do. He said federal taxes take 15 to 16% of the GNP. We need to increase it to 23%. Professor Reich has said similar things. Better taxation would make the pie bigger so even the very rich will benefit. 80 progressives in Congress have proposed the "Peoples Budget."
During Holy Week "let's listen anew to our just savior's message of peace, and take heart" for there are others who feel the same. We need to seek out and join these people to make our faith living.
Sir John, why do you think on
Sir John, why do you think on the day when Jesus was arrested Peter was carrying a sword? Peter even used the sword to cut off the ear of one of Jesus's enemies? I believe there is a time for peace and a time for war...I also believe that we need God's guidance when choosing wars...and His instructions on what to do.....God must be included in every plan...Jesus stated that he didn't come to bring peace, but the sword....Yes He might have been talking about the word, but reading and learning of the word...we should gain knowledge, guidance, and instructions....along with the most important thing, which is building a relationship God...
thanks
Anonymous, didn't Jesus tell
Anonymous, didn't Jesus tell Peter to put the sword away and heal the person that Perter injured; the very one that was coming to arrest him?
From Luke: "Then Jesus said
From Luke: "Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its sheath, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
Ever wonder why a fisherman was carrying a sword? Think Jesus knew he was carrying it? Think if He knew He would have told him to get rid of it, if He wanted him to?
I will always remember Fr.
I will always remember Fr. John coming to Saint Francis Xavier on West 16th St. NYC and listening to him...now that we have relocated to Chesapeake, VA....he always comes to mind since I remember him saying he's from Elizabeth City, NC, which is so close to us....I have to go to Elizabeth City someday, and thoughts of that wonderful John Dear will pop up...and those are good thought everyone should have about this "peaceful" padre....Jane Albertini
It is not the individual that
It is not the individual that is great, but the understanding,for the understanding is love, God is pure love. Not of gender or form but the essence of pure love, who's energy of love the intended precedes, transforms and transcends all understanding. Fulfill the intended...
I only wish other church
I only wish other church leaders felt as Fr Dear does. It seems to me, that those who are Pastors of a church, no matter the denomination, do not speak out against war and weapons because they might alienate some of their members. Could it also be because they fear they will lose donations as well? I was raised a Catholic, but no longer attend. Fr Dear's column is one reason. Women's issues are another. I cannot abide by any church that does not walk the talk when it comes to the teaching of Jesus. Currently I am attending services at a Quaker Meeting House, and right now, am finding peace there. I hope with all my heart, that more churches and church leaders will see the world through the eyes of Fr Dear. Thank you Fr. Dear for all of your thoughts.
this pro-life plan of closing
this pro-life plan of closing down the imperialist death machine entirely is the only workable plan to bring peace and life to our nation, to revitalize our people. It is the only real Pro-Life plan.
It is the only plan designed
It is the only plan designed to create circumstances leading to conquest of the United States and other nations too weak to defend themselves and who depend on the American military for their very survival. It is the only plan that will permit widespread ethnic cleansing, widespread mass murder, widespread oppression, suffering and death.
There is nothing pro-life about this plan. It is the naive dream of a person who does not inhabit the real world, a world filled with real evil, real bad people, real dangers.
Come with me to Ciudad
Come with me to Ciudad Juarez, and walk this real world, CWG, and read as well objective news sources like http://www.diario.com.mx/ and pray with me with the poor in the Cathedral, and visit the local universities and bookstores and see the shoe is truly on the other foot from what you so rosily Caped Crusader present here.
How many millions more die for our oil, CW? How long?
The bad people are in the Pentagon, dude. The real, evil bad people on the floor of our Congress and newsrooms.
Come, visit the real world.
I fail to see what Cuidad has
I fail to see what Cuidad has to do with the American military. The last time I checked, Cuidad was not invaded by the US military, though I suspect that if the military did decide to invade, it would only aid the people of the city, a city that is widely considered one of the most dangerous on the planet. Indeed, it is "the most violent zone in the world, outside of designated war zones", according to Norte newspaper. What did this? Not the US military but really bad people involved in drugs and Lord only know what else. And, this situation has nothing to do with American oil either.
In many ways, you are merely making my case for me, the case that, if these murderers and criminals will engage in the type of violence going on in Cuidad Juarez now, how much worse would it get should they realize that there would be no consequences from the US and they decide to take their drug wars across the border into El Paso?
Moreover, these are petty gangsters and thugs involved in drug cartels, the really dangerous people, dictators across the globe, are far worse, and are held in check only because they realize that they would face serious consequences from the US and her allies should they step across the lines we have drawn.
No, if you are using Cuidad Juarez to represent the real world, then you are only supporting my position that laying down our arms and dissolving the military, the Pentagon, etc. is simply hopelessly and sadly naive. Indeed, all evidence suggests that Cuidad Juarez could benefit from the safety and security that an American military presence would bring.
Clint, once again you are
Clint, once again you are dead wrong on every point, but this forum does not provide the capacity to address each point in error.
Please read each day
www.diario.com.mx
and you may begin to grasp how horribly and deadly wrong you are.
We are the cartels, spawn of Catholic Ollie North.
Oops, forgive me, I forgot
Oops, forgive me, I forgot your basic premise and thesis, all evil in the world is caused by the United States.
Meanwhile, I appreciate your taking the time to point out that I am "dead wrong on every point", without pointing out any evidence to support that claim.
Finally, thanks for the link, but I do not speak nor read Spanish. English, French, a little Italian and Russian, and I read Latin (sadly, there are few who speak it anymore, so one quickly loses one's facility in speaking it), but never bothered to learn Spanish, never found it necessary.
When will you support
When will you support legalized abortion services through all stages of pregnancy for the poor to prevent them perpetuating the same cycle of poverty?
Yes, the solution to the
Yes, the solution to the budget crisis is simple. Shut down the Pentagon, all our military bases, and all our weapons manufacturing plants.
Then our occupiers can deal with our budget.
I am a Catholic who agrees
I am a Catholic who agrees one hundred percent with John. To me it is a no-brainer, if one really reads the gospel accounts of Jesus. I don't know how they ever got the idea that war is the way to establish peace on the earth.
I agree with you
I agree with you wholeheartedly John because my country in the UK is intent on following US lead. Because I am a tax-payer I am inadvertently a mass murderer and an exploiterer of the world's poorest people and at the same time desperately trying to follow my God of peace and love and inclusion.
Thankyou for your work, courage and encouragement. Bless you
Thank you. It must be hard to
Thank you. It must be hard to be a "lone voice" in the society - as it was for Jesus. Keep going and keep challenging us. It's not the results but the honesty of the likes of this article that makes for the beginnings of non-violence...
John, Thank you once again
John, Thank you once again for shinning continuing light on our true life as
followers of the nonviolent Jesus. My country also follows the American lust
for killing and war. I am surrounded by those I love who would support the seeming endless dollars spent on war. So I take heart once again by your continuing efforts to follow the God of Peace and this nonviolent Jesus. Prayers are with you during this lenten season and the holy week ahead.
In my long life I've found
In my long life I've found that pacifists never actually state why they oppose war, why they believe it to be evil. I believe war is evil because it results in the deaths of people and the destruction of civilizations that may have taken hundreds of years to build. But what if refusing to use force results in even more death and destruction?
There's a difference between being a cheerleader for war and the reluctant, remorseful admission that, as far as human wisdom can predict, there will be more loss of life if force is not used to stop an aggressor.
This isn't theoretical. A pacifist columnist for the NCR condemned Dietrich Bonhoeffer for participating in a plot to kill Hitler. It is never explained why the death of one man is considered just as evil as the terror, torture and deaths of the millions that he was responsible for.
It has become commonplace among certain Catholics to refer to the nonviolent Jesus. I think this is an example of saying something so often that people come to believe it unquestioningly. So what is there to question?
When a centurion came to Jesus asking that his servant be healed (Mt 8:5 and Luke 7:2), Jesus praises his faith. If Jesus were defined by nonviolence, wouldn't he have told him to leave military service, as the more important thing to do?
In Acts 1-10, Peter comes to understand that the gospel is available to anyone, Jew or Gentile, because of God's revelation through Cornelius, also a centurion. Again, there is no message about the need for Cornelius to leave military service if he is to be baptized.
Jesus tells a parable about a ruler who must assess whether he should lead a military campaign against opposing forces that are greater in number. The point is not to go through life without thinking, but to make a choice for the Reign of God. What Jesus does not say is that these kings shouldn't even be thinking of using armed force.
He also doesn't say that armed force should be used. What he does say is that he will send the Spirit to empower us to discern and to do what we believe God wants of us in any particular circumstance. That means that the course of action chosen will not always be the same, or there would be nothing to discern.
This is not a screed for war. But those who believe all use of force is evil should go to a country under attack and tell the people there that they have no right to defend themselves. I've been there.
B Jean, your post is
B Jean, your post is interesting and worth some consideration. Yet, I am thrown by your opening statement about pacifists never saying why they are against war. I am always hearing from them why they are against war (thou shall not kill, Jesus's directive to love your neighbor, to turn the other cheek, etc.) and like your post their explanation are worth thinking about. You really have never heard a pacifist support his/her position? Really?
As usual, Father Dear
As usual, Father Dear provides further evidence that he does not live in the real world. Closing the Pentagon, dissolving our military, will do absolutely nothing but signal to our enemies (who probably do not share our willingness to sacrifice common sense for the sake of peace) that America is ripe and ready for invasion and conquest. It will also serve to inform those nations whose ambitions are kept in check only through fear of American justice, that they are now free to attack and conquer their neighbors.
Moreover, Father Dear proves that he has no clue about what the purposes of government are. Among those purposes, as spelled out in the Constitution, is the role of government to defend the nation and its citizens from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Nowhere in the Constitution, however, will you find it written that the purpose of government is to "improve our schools, fund new jobs, offer free healthcare, build homes, and feed the world’s poor". The government should certainly never create jobs, that is the role of the private sector; it should not offer free healthcare (when did that become a right in the Bill of Rights?), build homes (private sector!) nor feed the world's poor (private sector, again).
Father Dear is idealistic, and naive, both at the same time. He claims that one cannot claim to be a follower of Christ and support war, but that position is not supported either by Sacred Scripture or by Church teaching. That belief is an invention of Father Dear and his aging hippy friends, not a teaching of the Church. Father Dear seeks to create his nonviolent cult of personality; thanks anyway but I'll stick to the Church's teaching.
the one who profits most from
the one who profits most from war and the weapons of warfare is the USA
this is our irrational gross national product
"the one who profits most
"the one who profits most from war and the weapons of warfare is the USA"
- Hmmm, I'd have to see the numbers, but I think Russia is getting pretty close, as their stuff is cheaper. The people who usually buy our stuff because we GIVE THEM THE MONEY with the demand that they spend it on our weapons.
It is amazing the amount of money we waste here, this coming from a man who is not an absolutist pacifist and accepts the Church's teaching on Just War.
For example, I just read a brief article on how we blew over $100,000,000 designing a laser that when mounted on ships could set pirate vessel's engines on fire. $100,000,000!!. Why they refuse to use the deck guns they are already equipped with wasn't explained, but I imagine it had something to do with the fact that Northrop Grumman wanted more money.
pete, dude, check the real
pete, dude, check the real stats sometime.
they were published recently here in the free press in MExico, at
http://www.diario.com.mx/
and the USA is out front by far in terms of arms sales
then there is all of the off the books stuff too
like the US FEDS themselves smuggling weapons into MExican criminals
We stir up trouble around the world to sell the weapons to the poor suckers who cannot find peace through nonviolence as the REverend Fater John DEar SJ finds here. We however find no profit in peace.
As someone who accepts the
As someone who accepts the just war theory you should be able to point out a just war. You're not going find one since WWII, and even then there are those, using church defined criteria, who can't justify that conflict. Fr. Dear's admonition to abandon anything that creates or supports warfare comes as a direct conclusion of seeing that no war today can be justified. This is not idealistic fantasy, but hardcore empirical reality.
But, neither is Father Dear's
But, neither is Father Dear's opinion consistent with Church teaching. The Church does not teach, nor has she ever taught, that war is automatically an evil or immoral thing. War is a thing to be engaged in only as a last resort, something devoutly to be avoided, but there are times when it is absolutely necessary to fight a war, just as there are times when it is absolutely necessary to take up arms to defend oneself, one's family, the innocent.
World War II is the very epitome of the "just" war. It was a war undertaken to defend innocent human life and to stop an aggressor enemy. It was undertaken only as a last resort, after the Allies had tried negotiation, compromise, even appeasing the aggressor by giving him entire nations. The war was fought with means designed to limit casualties on both sides, but also to end the war quickly, effectively and decisively. When the war was over, the victorious Allies spent billions of dollars in rebuilding the defeated nations, in helping the homeless and refugees and in working to return the people of those nations to normalcy as quickly as possible.
I cannot imagine that any reasonable person would condemn World War II as unjust, but neither can I believe that any reasonable person who has read the Sacred Scriptures and is familiar with Church teaching would suggest that to be a Christian means to be a pacifist.
"World War II is the very
"World War II is the very epitome of the "just" war."
- I think that is not really, totally factual.
No, I'm not accusing you of something. I simply think that there were things done in the war, and some reasons for it, that were not entirely on the up and up.
I find it interesting that
I find it interesting that non-violence types such as yourself feverishly cling to the rock that promises peace through non-violence. I say this is not true. Christ will come to live in reign in peace after he leads the great war between good and evil, and it will not be a non-violent war.
We can not have peace when so many peolples and countrys are lining up against one another for every reason under the sun. Yes, there will be more war and more bloodshedding due to the nature of this world. Christ will set all things straight again after he has defeated the evil one, satan.
Response to what CWG
Response to what CWG wrote:
As usual, Father Dear provides further evidence that he does not live in the real world.
My Response:
Rev. Father Dear has traveled all over the world, to war torn/violence ridden areas: El Salvador, Cambodia, Ireland, Egypt, Iraq, the West Bank, Jerusalem, Middle East, etc. He’s seen up close the results of violence and war. I think that would classify as “living in the real world.” Here is an Excerpt from his Nov. 7, 2006 Column of the danger he was in from the death squads of El Salvador –
Excerpt:
And I go to the SOA protest because I'm haunted by Ignacio Ellacuria and the other Jesuit martyrs of El Salvador. I worked with them for several months in 1985, four years before they were assassinated. They sent me and a few other young U.S. Jesuits to work in harassed refugee camps. Death squads lurked about, and on the occasions they approached, I went out to greet them. There was a rationale behind the plan. Perhaps the conspicuous presence of a North American would avert violence.
And so when they appeared, I hauled my trembling bones to the gate, all the while U.S. aircraft crisscrossed the sky and unleashed bombs in the near distance.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/road-peace/why-im-going-soa-protest
The message of Jesus is clear
The message of Jesus is clear - Thou shall not Kill ... Love your enemies ... Do good to those who would harm you...etc. It was clear to the early Christians who refused to serve in the army of the Roman Empire and were killed for their beliefs. You may believe in the power of war but it is not compatible with being a Christian. Thank you Fr. John for speaking the truth about war.
I married a conscientious
I married a conscientious objector. Because of this, he has been hard to live with at times, and I have found him to be right most of the time, as well. The message of Jesus is clear. We just are too weak in the faith department to do what He says. Maybe if Fr. Dear keeps writing, we'll change our minds, and realize we need to be like the Berrigan Bros. Amen.
I have wrestled with this
I have wrestled with this issue for years and can't seem to say I am firmly in one camp and not the other. This is hardly an easy place to be. I strongly lean towards pacifism and desire to be one, but there are obstacles. Clearly, there is evil in the world of the most horrific kind that causes great suffering. I don't think any pacifists would deny that. But, our violent, and often self serving, means to conquer it are, too often, equally as evil and without any doubt, against so many of the gospel teachings and directives. I don't understand how can that be denied by any Christian. It has brought me to actually wonder if war is evidence of a failure of prayer. And, as a Christian, that is not a very easy question to entertain. So, obviously I don't have any answer to offer. Yet, what I am clear about is that there needs to be a public witness that counters all of the propaganda about the glory and legitimacy of war. Our Bishops and Catholic leadership has been embarrassingly and, to put it bluntly, cowardly, in any willingness to do this, even with wars that the Church has declared unjustifiable (therefore immoral). So, I continue to be grateful to those whose actions do draw attention and, hopefully, will cause some to question what so much of our govt. and its supporters tell us. Because what is also clear to me is that they do not tell us the truth.
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