Welcoming 'Segregationists at the Altar'

Sister Fiedler asks:
"Where is the outrage at this policy?"

I ask where is the outrage at the opened Vatican arms to the same anglicans who have slaughtered us and enslaved and oppressed us for over five hundred years, and now we go English-only despite our pressing need for integral and liberating ministry to our fastest growing demographic, the first Catholics upon these shores and the most ignored and rejected and marginated within the segregated US Catholic Church, the Latino?

The irony of this post is astounding considering that this very same rhetoric has been used by orthodox Catholics in regards to the pro-life issue.

Abortion is, simply scientifically speaking, killing. MURDER. Why should the church allow those who support it to remain in communion?

I hope this helps the dissident readers of this website to understand just why pro-life Catholics are as stalwart as they are.

Agree that it is not a perfect analogy.

In this case, the men who rule the Roman Catholic Church are admitting that the English Catholic Church is equally as good.

However eager they are to validate only those Anglicans who agree with them that women and homosexuals are bad, the open door will swing both ways.

There may be as many Roman Catholics who would appreciate a more welcoming church as there are English Catholics who want to join a less welcoming church.

The nuns, for instance. Levada is (one of those) behind the insulting investigation of American nuns, and he's also behind this invitation to (right-wing) Anglicans.

Wouldn't it be lovely if the nuns would leave the church where their centuries of service and sacrifice are now devalued and derided and join the Anglican Church?

And wouldn't it be lovely if Catholics who love and honor their old teachers would walk with them?

This shows very clearly how the false doctrine of egalitarianism is front & center for Liberal Catholics. Morality & doctrine must take a back seat to this false doctrine. And egalitarianism has no real connection to Christianity at all!

"This is not a perfect analogy, granted."

That's certainly one way of putting it.

This kind of entry is why NCR isn't taken seriously as a Catholic rag anymore. You are deliberately mischaracterizing the issue to suit your own agenda.

Flash! Catholic Church continues to teach what it has consistently taught for the last 2000 years of its existence! Upholding that teaching and inviting others who uphold that teaching isn't "segregationist," and it is dishonesty that borders on slander for you to say so.

It's time to stop playing these childrens' games with our faith, NCR. Here's your chance to get on board with a policy of true Christian unity. Are you up for it, or are you going to stay the kids' table of MeChurch?

The church actually supports gender and sexual orientation segregation in the church. It's writ all over its theology and administration, and is the main draw to get men to spend their lives in the strange world of the clergy/hierarchy. It's their clubhouse, by golly. Those not of the club are those to be managed by the club.

It's not a hurdle the Vatican wishes to ever get rid of.

Amen, Maureen. The more thought one puts into this issue, the more one questions it. And you have stated it succinctly and honestly.

Peace and blessings.

Exactly! Why give a "special place to those with segregationist credentials"?

If these Anglicans are coming across the Tiber to find a non-gay clergy isn't someone high up obliged to tell them about our ranks? is 'buyer beware' operative in this kind of business?

Wow, just wow! The level of willful distortion and spiritual blindness on this Web site never fails to shock me. There's just nothing that can be said to respond to a Catholic sister whose views are so completely distorted on the Catholic Church's positions on the priesthood of women and homosexuals, both laity and clergy. I can't believe that anyone with any actual Catholic training in theology and philosophy could read any one of the multiple Church documents and papal apostolic letters dealing with these issues and misrepresent or misunderstand them so utterly and completely.

All I can do is offer my prayers.

P.S. The notion that the Catholic Church is now welcoming only "dissident" Anglicans who dissent from homosexual or female clergy is incredibly ironic and rich--all I can do on that count is sigh and shrug my shoulders...

Look, if you do not follow Christian principals anymore, and if you truly believe them to be "segregationist" (and as a southerner, I find your use of this term laughable), then why don't you join mainstream Episcopalians and let those wit more traditional leanings be Catholic?

"This is not a perfect analogy, granted." Granted, but close enough!

Maureen, Why would anyone be outraged at a decision of the Catholic Church to welcome people who believe in and practice the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church?
Won't you be attending the upcoming American Catholic Council meeting? You may find welcoming ears for your outrage there.It is a sad fact that many are still seeking to live as they wish rather than as God wishes.
In the meantime,may God have mercy on you and may His Immaculate Mother lead you back to the Catholic Church.

"We have enough Catholics who have not come to terms with human equality and gospel equality" - as defined by the Maureen Fiedlers of the world. If Pope Benedict's definitions of human and gospel equality are wanting, why should I listen to Maureen Fiedler?

Let's try this: Maureen Fiedler's definitions of human and gospel equality are those of what we used to call (and what used to call itself) "The Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States of America." Why Maureen doesn't join up is beyond me.

The Unification Church in a worldwide ceremony presided by founder Sun Myoung Moon himself (that same anti-commie nut case who founded to the far right of FauxNews the Washington Times in the days of Reagan, making it a mouthpiece of Reaganite propoganda to avoid further persecution, prosecution and jail time, sort of like our own Church today) very recently married a few hundred thousand people, several of whom had never met one another prior to the ceremony.

A new Guiness's world record!

All these several thousand couples were man and woman; all heterosexual.

And all virulent right-wing anti-Communists.

And not a woman priest among them.

Doesn't this fit like a glove the Vatican's present political litmus test?

How soon before Rome offers a personal episcopate to Sun Myoung Moon and his many hundreds of thousands of wealthy moonies?

Time will tell, and time flies.

Anything but empathy for our own actual, Roman Catholic priests who hear the aspirations of the poor and live integrally the nonviolent Gospel of Jesus Christ!

First schismatic holocaust deniers.
Now the Anglicans with five hundred years of killing Catholics.
Next up: The Moonies!

gladly, gratefully, out in this desert, I remain ever by the grace of God:
frère charles du désert OSB OBLAT (Congrégation de Subiaco)

Where is the obedience and humility? Women have a place in the church; it is not at the altar. Period. Moving on. Acting on homosexual feelings is a sin. And before eveyone goes up in arms . . . these feelings of hate and discontent should be addressed and worked on in the confessional. If you don't agree with the doctrine of the church, why do you profess to be Catholic? I am the mother of 5, an RN,and loyal to the Church. Everyone at some point must come to the realization that what the church teaches is for the good of the whole not the wants of a few. That's how the communion lasts for 2000 years.