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The Vatican's DA on sex abuse: 'False and slanderous charge against the pope'
Amid Germany’s mounting sexual abuse crisis, which threatens to engulf not only the pope’s brother but potentially Benedict XVI's record as Archbishop of Munich from 1977 to 1981, the Vatican took the rare step yesterday of making its chief sex abuse “prosecutor” available for an on-the-record interview. Monsignor Charles J. Scicluna, a Maltese priest and canonist who works as Promoter of Justice in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, sat down for an interview published in L’Avvenire, the official newspaper of the Italian bishops’ conference.
The following is an NCR translation of the Scicluna interview, conducted by veteran Italian journalist Gianni Cardinale. The Italian original can be found here: http://www.avvenire.it/Chiesa/intervista+pedofilia+scicluna_201003130801409170000.htm
INTERVIEW
The Vatican’s DA: “The Church takes a hard line on pedophilia”
Monsignor Charles J. Scicluna is the “Promoter of Justice” in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In practice, he’s the prosecutor for the tribunal of the former Holy Office, which has the responsibility to investigate the so-called delicta graviora, crimes which the Catholic Church considers absolutely the most grave: for example, those against the Eucharist, against the sanctity of the Sacrament of Penance, and crimes against the Sixth Commandment (“do not commit impure acts”) by a cleric with a minor under eighteen. These are crimes which a motu proprio from 2001, Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela, reserved to the competence of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In fact, it’s the Promoter of Justice who, among other things, handles the terrible question of priests accused of pedophilia periodically raised by the mass media. Monsignor Scicluna, an affable Maltese priest who’s gentle in his personal style, has the reputation of doing his job with maximum diligence, and without being intimidated by anyone.
Monsignor, you have the reputation for being tough, but the Catholic Church is systematically accused of being accommodating with regard to so-called ‘pedophile priests.’
It’s possible that in the past, perhaps due to a misunderstood sense of defending the good name of the institution, some bishops in practice were too indulgent with regard to these very sad cases. I say in practice, because in principle the penalty for this type of crime had always been firm and unequivocal. Just in terms of the past century, it’s enough to recall the now-celebrated instruction Crimen Sollicitationis of 1922 ….
Wasn't that 1962?
No, the first edition dates to the pontificate of Pius XI. Then under Blessed John XXIII, the Holy Office prepared a new edition for the bishops in the Second Vatican Council [1962-65], but they only made 2,000 copies, which were not enough for distribution, and it was delayed indefinitely. In any case, it’s a matter of procedural norms to follow in the case of solicitation in the confessional and other grave crimes of a sexual nature, such as the sexual abuse of minors …
Norms, however, which recommended secrecy …
A bad English translation of the text made people think that the Holy See had imposed secrecy in order to hide the facts, but it wasn’t like that. Procedural secrecy served to protect the good names of everyone involved, first of all the victims themselves, and then the accused clergy, who have the same right as everyone else to the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. The Church doesn’t like to make a spectacle of justice. The canonical rule on sexual abuse, however, was never understood as a ban on reporting [crimes] to the civil authorities.
That document, however, is periodically invoked in order to accuse the current pope of having been, in his capacity as prefect of the Holy Office, responsible for a policy of cover-up on the part of the Holy See …
That’s a false and slanderous accusation. In this regard, let me point out certain facts. Between 1975 and 1985, I’ve found that no report of cases of pedophilia involving clergy arrived to the attention of our congregation. However, after the promulgation of the new Code of Canon Law in 1983, there was a period of uncertainty about the list of delicta graviora reserved to the competence of this dicastery. Only with the motu proprio of 2001 was the crime of pedophilia returned to our exclusive responsibility. From that moment, Cardinal Ratzinger demonstrated wisdom and firmness in handling these cases. What’s more, he also showed great courage in taking up some cases which were extremely difficult and delicate, sine acceptione personarum (without special treatment for anyone). Therefore, to accuse the current pope of a cover-up is, I repeat, false and slanderous.
In the case of a priest accused of a grave delict, what happens?
If the charge is credible, the bishop is obliged to investigate both the accusation and the person accused. If the result of the preliminary investigation is that [the case] has merit, the bishop can’t simply handle it himself, but must refer the case to our congregation, where it’s handled by the disciplinary office.
Who makes up this office?
Other than myself – and since I’m one of the superiors, I also deal with other questions – there’s a head of the office, Fr. Miguel Funes Diaz, seven priests, and a lay criminalist who work on these matters. Other officials of the congregation also offer important contributions based on the requirements of language and competence.
The office is accused of not doing much and doing it slowly …
Those suggestions are unjust. In 2003 and 2004, an avalanche of cases arrived on our desks. Many of them came from the United States, and dealt with the past. In recent years, thank God, the phenomenon is greatly reduced. For that reason, we now try to deal with the new cases in real time.
How many have you handled so far?
Altogether in these nine years, 2001-2010, we’ve examined accusations that regard roughly 3,000 cases of priests, diocesan and religious, which involve offenses committed in the last fifty years.
So, 3,000 cases of pedophile priests?
It’s not correct to put it like that. We can say that in general, in sixty percent of these cases, it’s more a matter of ephebophilia, that is, sexual attraction to adolescents of the same sex. In another thirty percent, it’s a matter of heterosexual relations. Ten percent involve true pedophilia, meaning sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. The cases of priests accused of genuine pedophilia, therefore, amount to roughly 300 in nine years. That’s too many cases – of course! – but it’s important to recognize that the problem isn’t as vast as it’s sometimes made to seem.
The accused, therefore, are 3,000. How many have been tried and condemned?
First of all, one can say that a legal proceeding in the full sense, whether penal or administrative, happened in twenty percent of the cases, and normally it took place in the original diocese – always under our supervision – and only rarely in Rome. We do it that way also in order to speed things up. In sixty percent of the cases, then, above all due to the advanced age of the accused, there wasn’t a full proceeding, but some administrative and disciplinary measures were taken, such as a ban on celebrating Mass with the faithful and on hearing confessions, and the requirement to live a secluded life of prayer. It’s worth remembering that in these cases, among which were some particularly noteworthy and closely followed by the media, it wasn’t a matter of absolution. Certainly, there wasn’t a formal condemnation, but if someone is confined to silence and prayer, there’s a reason for it …
What about the other twenty percent of the cases?
Let’s say that in ten percent of the cases, those which were especially grave and where the proof was overwhelming, the Holy Father took up the painful responsibility to authorize a decree of removal from the clerical state. That’s an extremely grave step, taken in administrative fashion, but it was unavoidable. In the other ten percent of the cases, the accused clergy themselves asked to be relieved of the obligations of priesthood. That was quickly accepted. Among these last cases were some priests caught in possession of child pornography and, for that reason, also condemned by civil authorities.
Where do these 3,000 cases come from?
Above all from the United States, which, during the years 2003-2004, accounted for around 80 percent of the total number of cases. For 2009, however, the American share dropped to around twenty-five percent of the 223 new cases reported in the entire world. In recent years, between 2007 and 2009, the average number of cases reported to the congregation from around the world is 250. Many countries report only one or two cases. Therefore, while the diversity and the number of countries involved may be growing, the phenomenon itself is fairly limited. It’s important to remember that the total number of diocesan and religious priests in the world is around 400,000. That statistical reality doesn’t correspond to the perception created when these extremely sad cases take up the front pages of newspapers.
What about Italy?
So far the dimensions of the problem don’t seem dramatic, although what worries me is a certain culture of silence that I see as still too widespread here. The Italian bishops’ conference (CEI) offers an optimal service of consultation on technical and juridical matters for bishops who have to handle these cases. I note with great satisfaction an ever-growing determination on the part of the Italian bishops to bring clarity to the cases reported to them.
You said that full legal proceedings happened in twenty percent of the roughly 3,000 cases you’ve examined in the last nine years. Did they all end with a condemnation of the accused?
Many of the proceedings that have already concluded finished with the condemnation of the accused, but there were some where the priest was found innocent, or where the evidence wasn’t found to be sufficient. In any case, however, we study not only the guilt or innocence of the accused cleric, but also his suitability for public ministry.
A frequent accusation directed at the ecclesiastical hierarchy is that of not denouncing the crimes of pedophilia of which they were aware to the civil authorities.
In some countries with an Anglo-Saxon legal culture, but also in France, the bishops – if they become aware of crimes committed by their priests outside of the seal of the sacrament of confession – are required to report them to the civil authorities. That’s a very grave matter, because these bishops are being forced to take a step comparable to a parent who denounces his or her own child. That notwithstanding, our position in these cases is to respect the law.
What about situations in which bishops aren’t legally required to do it?
In these cases, we do not impose an obligation on bishops to denounce their own priests, but we encourage them to contact the victims to invite them to report the priests who victimized them. Beyond that, we invite them to give every kind of spiritual assistance, and not just spiritual, to these victims. In a recent case regarding a priest condemned by an Italian court, it was precisely this congregation that suggested to the accusers, who came to us for a canonical process, to also take it to the civil authorities, in the interests of the victims and also to avoid further crimes.
Final question: Is lifting the statue of limitations [the canonical term is “prescription”] for the delicta graviora anticipated?
You’re touching a sensitive point, in my opinion. In the past, meaning prior to 1898, a statute of limitations for penal action was not part of canon law. For the most serious crimes, it was only with the motu proprio of 2001 that a ten-year prescription was introduced. On the basis of these norms, in cases of sexual abuse the ten-year period begins to run on the day the minor turns eighteen.
Is that enough?
Experience indicates that the term of ten years isn’t adequate for these kinds of cases, and one would hope for a return to the previous system of no prescription for the delicta graviora. On November 7, 2002, however, the Servant of God John Paul II gave this dicastery the faculty to derogate prescription on a case-by-case basis in response to requests from individual bishops. That derogation is normally granted.





"A bad English translation"
"A bad English translation" that no one took the time and effort to correct? The excuses these men make for themselves are as lame as the excuses of high school sophomores. They are without shame.
Mr. Allen, Thank you for
Mr. Allen,
Thank you for sharing this interview. It's enlightening but also baffling in some of its historical references and its language. Nonetheless, it gives a first-hand understanding of the Vatican's viewpoint.
On another matter, would you comment on the news of the weekend of March 6 in the U.S. Very briefly we had a report of a "gentleman" to the Pope, accused by a choir member at St. Peter, of male prostitution implicating a Reverend Balducci. The news, thence, evaporated. Was it simply a false rumor?
Evelyn Murrin
Pittsburgh, PA
P.S. My husband and I follow your writing and also were privileged to hear you at the Religious Education Congress in Anaheim several years ago.
Not unlike the initial
Not unlike the initial reactions of the Nixon whitehouse after Watergate broke.
This is part of the
This is part of the translation from the Vatican website: "We can say that about sixty percent of the cases chiefly involved sexual attraction towards adolescents of the same sex, another thirty percent involved heterosexual relations, and the remaining ten percent were cases of paedophilia in the true sense of the term; that is, based on sexual attraction towards prepubescent children." In other words, the official Vatican position is to blame homosexual relations (i.e. other than heterosexual) for the majority of the sexual abuse of children even though no other institution, medical professional or law enforcement agency has done so. What the other experts do tell us is that pedophilia is crime of access and opportunity. Priests have greater access to boys - it's that simple. (By the way, I'd like to see the Fr. Scicluna define "adolescent" and "prepubescent" and then tell the parents of a 13 or 14 year old boy to their face that that their son was raped due to a "sexual attraction.")
This is frustrating; if not
This is frustrating; if not unbelievable. Just a few points that don't seem to ring true:
- Crimen Solicitationes; in effect since the last century but revised and published in 1962 but only 2,000 copies - less than 50% of all worldwide bishops. Yet, nothing was done to rectify this situation for years
- His explanation and parsing of words around what "church secretive" means vs. reporting to civil authorities - quote: "...I say in practice because in principle....." how convenient to state that the principle has always been correct but not the practice
- his history and explanation that sexual abuse by priests/bishops should have always followed the rules laid out dating back to 1898...yet, we know that never happened and Rome did nothing?
- his history and explanation that this was corrected by the code of canon law revised/promulgated in 1983....yet, he states that there were no cases reported between 1975-1985...."unbelievable" given the Canadian, Australian, English, US, and now Irish government investigations....we know that there have been thousands of cases of pedophilia in that ten year period...yet, Rome said nothing?
- his explanation about the types of sexual abuse....notice that 60% (per his statement) were ephephobilia .....he says that as if it is not a crime? but a lesser offense; he reduces actual pedophilia to 300 cases worldwide...we know from actual criminal convictions that this "300" number is ridiculous even if you only were speaking of the US experience??
- he cites the fact that only 50% of all countries require civil authority notifiication...you would figure given the experience to date that the church would insist upon a higher standard?
- he does acknowledge that secrecy is still in force in the clerical society using Italy as an example....fact; there are hundreds of unreported abuse cases in Italy; time will tell just has happened in the last four weeks in Germany, Austria, Netherlands, and Spain you will hear more about
- he finally ends with discussion about SOLs....isn't it interesting that in church courts dating back to the original document in 1898 there were no SOLs in these cases....and now, in church courts he can request action on a case by case basis and ignore SOLs....yet, US bishops have spent millions on legal fees fighting SOL change legislature.
- the disconnects; the lack of action for years; the excuses continue; notice he never metions the bigger scandal - the role of bishops and cover-ups - is there no Roman or canon law about this?
What worries me is that the
What worries me is that the anonymous priest H, released back into pastoral work during Cdl Ratzinger's term as Archbishop of Munich after forcing an 11 year old boy to perform a sex act on him, was not reported to the police by the diocese.
It's very worrying that Monsignor Charles J. Scicluna confirms that there is still no policy in Rome requiring bishops to report sex abusers to the police.
We only do that when the secular law requires us to.
This is not good enough.
God Bless
A question should have been
A question should have been asked...'What percent of the guilty priests lie about their behavior right to the face of their bishop and to the tribunals?'. In federal law this is perjury and is prosecuted. Has any priest or bishop ever been sanctioned for perjury at Vatican or diocesan tribunals and if not why not? That's the heart of the cover-up. Say hello to Martha Stewart, Scooter Libby and Gov Blagonovich. The Church is not a democracy as the minimizeing cover-upers say.
It is most appropriate that
It is most appropriate that this issue gets broadcast publically in that it becomes a scandal to greatly regret and ever avoid with equal zeal. However, as it is fuel to the media fire (which is to quiet diplomacy what whistling and clapping are to canine serenity), it seems most beneficial that the Church takes the lead on these matters and steals the antagonist’s thunder: the more severe the internal justice, the less ammunition for the would-be-adversary and the better for all.
It is extremely important
It is extremely important that the "suppositions" of taint involving Archbishop Ratzinger be fully revealed and discussed. Call it "false and slanderous" if you will but it appears that "Father H" operated for almost 5 years following a decision/direction from Archbishop Ratzinger in his case. His Vicar General takes full responsibility, he says. His (Ratzinger's)plate was full with 1000 priests in the arch diocese. So? How many of these were within the cadre of priests who were known to have sexually abused children?
1)Would not any competent, conscientious archbiship not demand regular briefings on the condition, activities, supervision, therapy progress and whereabouts of a priest known to have sexually abused children?
2) At what point does the ambit or responsibility in a hierarchy cease to be an ambit of responsibility?
Fr.Thomas Doyle notes that Ratzinger/Benedict is/was a "micromanager". Is his supposed "ignorance" consistent? Is his "ignorance" credible; can it be termed innocence? Regardless, this incident is a demonstrated proof that the sexual abuse of youth is systemic in the church and that these causal elements are even more dispicable than the terrible illnesses of the priest abuser.
Okay, B16 was bishop for just
Okay, B16 was bishop for just more than four years. We are talking about one mismanaged case in a diocese with roughly 1,000 priests. If the pedophilia rate of the US is accurate (4%), then Ratzinger faced at least 40+ cases while he was bishop.
My guess is that the focus on this one case is beside the point. When or if the whole history comes out, then we will know if Ratzinger behaved as all bishops during that time period and it would involve many cases. BTW, 4% is considered very low given that 30% or more of all victims never self-report; the above comment that priests who are pedophiles lie; etc.
Finally, Ratzinger has been at the center of Rome for almost 30 years and responsible for all of these cases. 3,000 worldwide - that is ridiculous and indicates that he ignored the victims for years.
Dear Lone Star Vanguard: Just
Dear Lone Star Vanguard: Just for the record, your logic of diminished numbers does not stand up. If "...30% or more of all victims never self-report..." this stat applies at least equally to clerical abuse.
If one removes the vitriol from the issue, you might note that you demonstrate the point that sexual abuse is "systemic". Whether in error, omission or deliberately the non-accountable, male, hierarchical system that focuses on domination, secrecy, control and selective observation is itself an occasion and causal factor in rampant sexual abuse of children and youth. Think about it. These conditions make possible the next level of perversity: systematic. When, like the Irish Bishop and, what's his name, who was promoted to Rome, who actually hid, denied when he knew, forced children to take oaths not to go to police, relocated for further abuse, and we know of bishops who themselves engaged in the sexual abuse of children and youth.
It is so easy for any priest
It is so easy for any priest to be accused of anything these days, especially from the past. The church seems to have rushed to make its image look good by deeming certain accusations as "credible." Meanwhile, CNN and others push their anti-Catholic rhetoric and the church stands idly by and paralyzed because it has become so taken with this issue itself that it has been blindsided. The church needs to take a really good look and discover what is behind this present attack before it is too late. The fact is that the church has done more than any institution on earth to solve its problems and others are getting a free ride at the church's expense. Remember the doctor accused of molesting 470 or so children? Of course you do nto...CNN promoted that issue once or twice. How about the hundreds of teachers who abuse or have int he past...CNN gave it lip service. I am so glad that our Bishops are trying to become agents of CNN and not addressing real issues--no one screms bloodly murder over drug pushers who have ruined millions of lives world wide--not even Bishops and not CNN and the like. Try to guess why?
So just because others have a
So just because others have a higher body count, crimes of priests should be ignored?
Just because some in the catholic "church" have done good works, abuses of a most horrific nature committed by priests should be overlooked?
Other's are getting a free ride at the churche's expense? Are you smoking crack?
Now, about 3 months later,
Now, about 3 months later, Rev. Sciclum is comparing the consequences of sexual abusers (priests only) of death from secular authorities as better than their afterlife. I don't get how one nixes the other. As if physical death (which is not likely for sexual crimes) will take the place of eternal damnation.
What is he trying to do now for the 'image of the Church'?
This is getting wilder. I wish they would just follow the Bible and stop making things up as they go. If this is the kind of top officials running the Vatican, I worry.....
Final analysis: trust only God and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him." 1 John 2:27
If his recent comment about
If his recent comment about hell is purely a comparison, it still seems that as the morality of the Church seems to be losing in the public image battle, this latest statement seems like a 'hail Mary'.
Always consider the credibility of the source.
I don't know why he didn't mention the 1,000s (10,000s?) of abused children in Ireland over the past 60 years? God will judge our 'teachers' more strickly than others (James 3:1).
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