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Vatican's chief ecumenist on angling for Anglicans
by John L Allen Jr on Oct. 20, 2009
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Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionIn my column last Friday, I wrote about Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Vatican's top officer for ecumenical relations, presenting his new book Harvesting the Fruits on Oct. 15.
Although the Vatican conducts dialogues with all three main branches of Christianity -- the Orthodox churches, the churches of the Reformation, and the Pentecostal and Evangelical movements -- Harvesting the Fruits focuses on the Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans and Reformed churches.
When Kasper was asked last about rumors that the Traditional Anglican Communion, a breakaway bloc of conservative Anglican churches, might soon be incorporated into the Catholic church, he seemed to want to play down the impact of such a move on Anglican-Catholic relations.
"We are not fishing in the Anglican lake," Kasper insisted. "Proselytism is not a policy of the Catholic church."
That said, Kasper added that "if in conscience some [Anglicans] want to become Catholics, we cannot shut the door."
He also noted that negotiations with the Traditional Anglican Communion are not being handled by his office, but by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. And of course, the fruits of those negotiations became known today: Pope okays new structures to absorb disgruntled Anglican conservatives.
Read more about Kasper's book here: Harvesting the Fruits (Scroll down near the bottom.)
For those who would like to
For those who would like to buy an Anglican rosary:
http://www.enssc.com/Products.aspx?story=123
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http://GerelynHollingsworth.com/
Let me see: This influx of
Let me see:
This influx of Anglicans into their own Rite means that Roman Catholics will finally be able to:
*Run their parishes via vestries, rather than priestly fiat.
*Own their own property.
*Have a distince say in electing their bishops.
*Have a say in who their pastors will be, and the removal therof if things aren’t working
*Ordain women and married men.
Alo, former RC priests who left and joined Anglicanism and got married will be back in the church.
Sounds good to me; bring it on. The internal stampede to join this new Rite will be overwhelming!
Maybe the Holy Spirit IS micromanaging things after all!
so merging with the most
so merging with the most ultra-conservative Anglican bloq is the bitter fruit of the CDF (formerly called the Unholy Office) and NOT the office for ecumenical relations?
Yes.
That explains much of this.
Aren't these also the boys who let those creepy SSPPX guys in scott free, unconditionally, even apologetically for ever declaring them schismatic?
Recreating the Roman Catholic Church in their own bitter image and likeness
To ring a change on
To ring a change on "Diogenes"' comment on the "poaching" metaphor, is it really "angling for Anglicans" if the fish have been begging to be permitted into the barque of Peter for decades?
"We are not fishing in the
"We are not fishing in the Anglican lake," Kasper insisted. "Proselytism is not a policy of the Catholic church."
Why not? If we believe that the Catholic Church is the one, true church instituted by Jesus Christ, then shouldn't we be obligated to share it with others, Christians and non-Christians alike? Who exactly is responsible for this so-called policy of the Catholic church?
"Proselytism is not a policy
"Proselytism is not a policy of the Catholic church."
A strange and ahistorical claim by Kaspar, one that must be surprising to members of missionary orders and to all of us who are descendants of ancestors converted (willingly or by force) by St. Patrick, St. Columba, St. Paul, St. Boniface, St. Isaac Jogues, and countless others.
As a 1908 article in the Catholic Encyclopedia puts it: "The history of Catholic missions would necessarily begin with the missionary labours of Christ, and would cover a very considerable portion of the history of the Catholic Church."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10375a.htm
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I think I understand! Fr.
I think I understand!
Fr. Cutie in Florida becomes Anglican to marry and be a priest. The married Anglican priests can become functioning married Catholic priests. There is a simplier way to have kept Fr. Cutie.
It could have been moch easier and just to change the discipline in the first place and have married men be appropriately formed in Catholic seminaries. However, the Church in it's wisdom found a more disjointed way to have married priests.
What's next?? Maybe we can follow baseball and set trades and trading deadlines. Married before ordination to the deaconate is worth less than married after ordination to the priesthood? Or the other way around?
1st trade: 1 Fr. Cutie and his TV show for 1 Megachurch and 1 mission in Texas to be named later?
Sorry about the bad link to
Sorry about the bad link to the National Cathedral's gift shop, which offers Anglican rosaries and other items.
Here's a better link:
http://www.nationalcathedral.org/shops/
Anglican rosaries? With or
Anglican rosaries?
With or without Corpus?
The blood of millions of starving children of Ireland arise outraged at this injustice of our Church, long our only comfort and our hope under the oppression of England's Anglican crown (What was the Biblical verse painted upon Cromwell's cannons?), who starved us wholesale during the artifical potato famine, in which there was plenty of food in Ireland, all going into the Anglican gorge, our Holy Mother Church receiving now so glad handedly these our genocidal murderers, our Holocaust, as we await one word of repentance, of regret.
The blood of all of the holy martyrs of England, entire communities of monks and of nuns, Cistercians and others, of the entire Society of Jesus in England, arise from communion with the holy Jesuit martyrs of El Salvador, as the twentieth anniversary of their martyrdom approaches this November 16, to cry out against this injustice, this embracing of the very crown which killed us.
Pray for us, o forgotten martyrs in England five hundred and forty years ago, of Ireland not really that long ago, and let our now and ever mercenary Church not stain and ignore at our peril thy holy memory and living presence amongst us in this great Communion of Saints!
My Irish comadre once pointed
My Irish comadre once pointed out as we stood outside a ruined castle in Tipperary: "We were on both sides."
My English ancestors and my Irish ancestors are not forgotten.
(Your bilious accusation is presumptuous.)
http://ncronline.org/blogs/nc
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/surely-we-can-all-agree
The editor, Dennis Coday, on comparisons to the Holocaust: " . . . let's keep these comparisons out of debates of religious issues too."
Having read or perused most
Having read or perused most of the NCR blogs, articles, comments on this issue I've come to see that the reality is certainly not what it appears - a graceful invitation to Anglicanism. There are elements of betrayal of the historically RC martyrs and faithful in the UK. It also appears to denigrate the already small presence of Rmn Catholics in the UK. As a female I certainly can see the this as a movement to bolster (by numbers)the argument against gender equality sacramentally as well as in ministry. Pretty much can be said by homosexual catholics. How does the curial office responsible for ecumenism really feel when the office for doctrinal purity unilaterally assumes power to welcome back a schismatic "tradition" and even carves out a s somewhat exclusive structure in which to operate as RC's in full communion? Is this still another means of distracting the universal church from the bishops' coverup misdeeds in the USA, Ireland, Europe, African nations, Italy itself? Is this another means to shore up the spirits of today's "orthodox" puritans? The Vatican is a state surrounded by the country of Italy, the home of Machiavelli. It appears this type of machination is not dead. Nor is following the mantra, "Might makes right."
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