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Vatican calls traditionalist ordinations 'completely illegitimate'
by John L Allen Jr on Jun. 17, 2009
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Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionWhen Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunication of four traditionalist Catholic bishops last January, it was intended as a gesture of reconciliation toward the Society of St. Pius X, a breakaway movement founded by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. (The move generated global tumult when it turned out that one of those prelates, Bishop Richard Williamson, is a Holocaust denier.) The prospect of reconciliation may have taken a setback, however, with a recent announcement by the society that it intends to ordain new priests at the end of June, without papal permission, in three locations: its seminary at Zaitzkofen in Bavaria; its headquarters in Econe, Switzerland; and at another seminary in Winona, Minnesota.
Today the Vatican released a statement calling those ordinations “completely illegitimate.” The following is the full text of the Vatican statement, in an NCR translation from Italian.
COMMUNICATION OF THE PRESS OFFICE OF THE HOLY SEE REGARDING THE ORDINATIONS ANNOUNCED BY THE SOCIETY OF ST. PIUS X
In response to the frequent questions that have arrived in recent days regarding the priestly ordinations of the Society of St. Pius X scheduled for the end of June, there’s nothing to do but to repeat what was affirmed by the Holy Father in his letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church last March 10: “As long as the Society (of St. Pius X) does not have a canonical position in the church, its ministers likewise do not exercise legitimate ministries in the church … as long as the questions concerning doctrine are not clarified, the Society does not have any canonical status in the church, and its ministers … do not exercise in a legitimate way any ministry in the church.” The ordinations are therefore to be considered completely illegitimate.
In the same letter, the pope announced his intention to provide a new status for the “Ecclesia Dei” Commission, in connection with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. There’s reason to think that the definition of that new status will come shortly. It constitutes the premise for the opening of a dialogue with the leadership of the Society of St. Pius X, in view of a hoped-for clarification of doctrinal questions, and, consequently, also disciplinary questions, which for now remain open.
Once again the Curia is
Once again the Curia is trying to be "powerful," in a world that is tired of their political ploys, misinformation, Lies and childish conciets.
As much, as I have reservations about these Tradditionalists; Rome, saying that Ordinations of the Pius X Society own members, by their own Bishops "are completely illegitimate" is a fit of childish Pic and inautherntic.
It's like saying that all atomic testing in N. Korea is illigatimate! as if that would stop them.
Rome MAY say: that the Ordenations are "Illict", but illigtimate, is untrue. These people are not under the controle( yet,) of Rome! They are legitimate & "Valid" as long as the Form and matter are present" Just like mine was: valid but illicid. according to Rome. (I'm Old Catholic,) "Nay nay e nay nay; We got it; you can't have it!" is their cry!
IT they would just keep there mouths shut, and stop making these silly self serving statement, prehaps they could actually do somthing about the real Unity for which Christ called. AS it stands, they only make themselves look childish and stupid.
But, unfortunately, these clerks, are only interested in Power and Control; they want the revival of their "empire" of yesteryear; were they beleived that" Roma Loucuta est; causa finita est!" They are just as silly,(in the minds of the most Christians,) as the Seda Vacantis groups.
They all live in their own little world that has no reality involved.
If the SSPX does not obey the
If the SSPX does not obey the Holy Father. They are doomed to become like the Old Catholics. "An empty gong, and clanging cymbals." What a terrifying hell to live in!!!
These ordinations are
These ordinations are illegitimate (or: illicit) as stated, but the Vatican conveniently omits that they are valid anyway.
These ordinations may be
These ordinations may be illegitimate (or: illicit) as stated, but the Vatican conveniently omits the fact that they are valid anyway and that a bishop does not need the Vatican's permission for ordaining priests.
God Bless Pope Benedict XVI
God Bless Pope Benedict XVI
Will this ordination trigger
Will this ordination trigger an immediate re-excommunication for the renegade bishops? If it does not, can we expect an imminent reconciliation with those who have been excommunicated for supporting women's ordination?
Don't mistake Divine Law with
Don't mistake Divine Law with Church Dicipline. The Odination of women to the priesthood is against divine law. The subject of The Priestly disobience
Is church discipline.
POPE BENEDICT XVI HAS ALLOWED
POPE BENEDICT XVI HAS ALLOWED THESE PRIEST TO HAVE ORDENATIONS. IT IS REAL. A RETURN TO THE TRUE ROMAN CATHOLIC TEACHING & FAITH IS ON IT WAY. THESE NEW PRIEST OF PIUS X ARE LEGITIMATE. THE BISHOPS DO NOT HAVE ANY POWER OVER THE POPE AT ALL. THE POPE HAS OPENED THE DOOR TO THE PIUS X GROUP AND IS WORKING WITH THEM. WHAT IS ROTTEN IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SHALL FALL AWAY INTO HELL. THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT WIN. READ THE LAST PART OF THE BIBLE GOD ALWAYS WINS. POPE BENEDICT THE XVI IS RESTORING THE CHURCH WITH THE LORD'S HELP. LOOK AT THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES. THE POPE SAID HE WANTED A PURE CHURCH EVEN IF IT IS SMALLER. STUDY ABOUT FATIMA. GOD HAS A PLAN. NOT MUCH TIME LEFT BEFORE THE RETURN OF CHRIST JESUS. WAKE UP THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES ARE EVERY WHERE! LOVE AND PRAYERS FOR ALL MANKIND.
IT IS ALL LEGIT THE POPE IS
IT IS ALL LEGIT THE POPE IS O.K.WITH IT. MEDIA AND BISHOPS HAVE NO POWER OVER THE POPE. PIUS X IS STILL IN GOOD STANDING. THE GATES OF HELL LOOSE AGAIN.
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