The Manhattan Declaration

Where do I go to sign the counter declaration?

Just out of curiosity: What the "Manhattan" a reference to? Where they signed it?

I find this a far more purely religious and less murky political letter to sign:

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/progressives-urge-new-path-afghanis...

Lord, please save us from these fools and their unhealthy and unhelpful fixation on pelvis issues. Some real winners have signed this thing: Chuck Colson, James Dobson, etc. Probably that Phelps guy, too. So nice to see the bishops linking arms with the worst of the haters.

This SO confirms why I just left Catholicism.

Thank God for the Episcopal Church.

I wish the bishops would spend less time and energy worrying about sexual issues. Why so much emphasis on everything sexual - I'd have more respect for them if they would be even half as vehement with their comments on issues related to the Beatitudes.

Joe Kurtz, the AB of Louisville, sure is a' buckin' for that red hat!

Just signed it. It is great to see Evangelicals, Orthodox and Catholics working together in service to life and traditional values.

God bless them all!

universal, comprehensive, effective and accessible health care reform is in all Christian Conscience, the only acceptable option.

WWJD?

It is about time!

Here are two posts of mine to my favorite silk tie, self righteous homophobe site, Christianity Today, which I'll rewrite a bit and add some more of my own self righteous comments...lol.

(CT was founded by Billy Graham, with money from a very notorious bigot, J. Howard Pew. It was anti-Catholic and infamously anti-Martin Luther King, Jr. in it's earlier years, for what that's worth. CT was officially anti-racist, but in a clueless (I hope), condescendingly racist way.)

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I was looking at the Declaration again. It's still disgusting, self righteous, greedy bigotry and naked hatemongering. Sexist to the point of bordering on soft eugenics, in an only Christian women should make babies way. The Declaration is full of dubious correlations and straw men which makes a mockery of intellectual integrity. (But, while I work in academia, I'm not an academic, so what do I really know?)

The authors are pretty much advocating sedition, and demanding a sort of Christian-race Jim Crow-like right to segregate, with Christian-race hegemony and privilege. The document is just shamelessly emotionally blackmail and crass fear mongering, in an unethical way. It's mired in conspiracy theory theology, bad science, and self-serving historical revisionism.

Apparently, only "real" Christians, such as those behind this document, truly have a real conscience. Therefore, only they are truly entitled to Constitutional protections, which apparently were written just for conservative Christians. My conscience, my religion, my family, my civil rights, my health, my right of association, my theology, my reading of the Bible, my understanding of Biblical context don't count. I'm guessing that they support a "Pro-marriage" Constitutional amendment, which means that my right to petition my government for redress of my grievances...are as nothing; and so are easily sacrificed for their bigotries and scapegoating. Talk about a slippery slope.

It was once my job, as a graphics illustrator, to make military propaganda. I also have a degree in sociology. I was raised a Methodist. I work in higher education, where controversy comes with ethics (I hope). I know moral from immoral propaganda when I see it.

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The Manhattan Declaration is the portentious, bigoted, smarmy, shamelessly
greedy, hatemongering; the 21st Century equivalent of the Southern Manifesto of my youth. Everyone involved should be deeply ashamed of this duplicitous document. It usually wasn't conservative Christians which lead the fight against slavery. It was largely led by liberal for their day Christians, Quakers, Deists, Unitarians...and people such as Frederick Douglass and Charles Darwin and his family.

Conservative Christians were generally the ones defending slavery. John Wesley did oppose slavery, but conservative Methodists split to form their own pro-slavery denomination, as did other conservative evangelicals. (Though the most famous scientific racist activist was Louis Agassiz, a Unitarian.)

The Manhattan Declaration mostly shows what young Darwin pointed out about those who defended slavery:

“What will not interest or blind prejudice assert, when defending its unjust powers?

From his Diary, 58 - Darwin’s Sacred Cause: How a hatred of slavery shaped Darwin’s views on human evolution; Adrian Desmond &
James Moore; 2009.

Thank you, Manhattan Declaration!

1.)I stand with you on these issues. The Rev. Martin Luther King said something like: "An un-just law is no law at all".
2.)Abortion and gay marriage should never --- and would never have happened if this country knew God as we did up until the 60's.
3.)There is enough power in office right now to give Godly laws a good fight.
If that power --- together with the power of God's people --- working together, this country could and would get back on track.
4.)If --- the 54 million or so babies aborted since Roe vs. Wade were now tax payers, this country would not be in the financial fix we're in.(Do the math)
5.)We need to flood the powers in office with letters of encouragement, and common sense reasoning to turn away from these un-Godly laws.
6.)I do not want to meet my Maker without doing every thing within my power to fight against abortion and gay marriages in a Godly/proper way.

God Bless Manhattan Declaration.

Father Brad Anderson

I BELIEVE THAT IF JESUS WANTED US TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE FOR THEIR SINS , INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO BE LESS SINNFUL OURSELVES THEN HE WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN HIS LIFE FOR US. WE ALL HAVE SINS THAT WE HAVE COMMITED AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD COME TOGETHER EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING. BUT ISN'T THAT WHY WE ARE ALL HERE FOR TO HAVE OUR OWN OPINION AND STILL LOVE AND BELIEVE IN THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. I KNOW I HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE BECAUSE I MYSELF IS A SINNER NOT PROUD OF IT BUT I AM AND GOD OUR FATHER SAYS WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE ANYONE! FOR IT IS HE THAT WILL ULTIMATLY BE THE ONLY ONE WHO MAY JUDGE US..... GOD BLESS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS. ALL I KNOE IS THAT JESUS IS MY SAVIOR AND IS THE ONLY OPINION I RESPECT AS WELL AS I KNOW WHAT I FEEL IN MY HEART BECAUSE I SPEAK WITH HIM ON A DAILY BASIS AND NO ONE CAN TAKE MY FAITH OR MY BELIEF OF GOD.....

As a Catholic I applaude as does the Catholic Church many Liberal positions. Abolish Death peanalt, priviledged option for the poor and disabled, accesable health care for all. A better option for immigrants illegal or not. Compassionate understanding for those with same-sex attraction. It also understands natural law and what happens when we break it. When we break it, we get broken, as people and as a society. For that reason anything we or our government does is in the end self-correcting. We are not stupid. If we go on a path that brings us pain and unhappiness; which breaking laws does, then we go back to living in the wisdom of our created nature and the wisdom of living with the specifications imprinted on our nature. That said, maybe we can think a little deeper into the direction we ar going and save ourselves a lot of suffering.

I whole-heartly agree with the declaration and had I known about it sooner I would have been the first in line to sign. I see there are some who very much disagree with the Declatation. There are those so blind they will not see.
We can only hope and pray the light will shine on their path and their eyes will be open to truth.

I'm shaking my head and laughing just a bit as I type this. I'm not laughing "at" those of you, as individuals, who do not agree with the manhattan declaration, I'm laughing at your responses and your desperate attempts to sound "intelligent". Evil rarely rears its ugly head head as easily recognizable, pure evil. Otherwise it would most likely be rejected by the masses. Instead, it slowly pervades our society and disguises itself as "tolerance" and "compassion" to the weakest and most naive among us. Those of you who fit this definition (liberals) have been trying your entire lives to justify your refusal to follow the rules and laws set down by God himself through his Holy Church. You try to justify your defiance by going so far as to set yourselves up as THE sole authorities on scripture and everything else in life. You have become your own Popes. Some of you go so far as have the nerve to still call yourselves catholic. I assure you, you are not - at best you are "less than catholic" and I pray for your conversion (see the letter to Patrick Kennedy from his Bishop). You interprest scripture as YOU see fit, to suit your own sinfulness and your refusal to simply "obey" what is quite plain and put forth by God's Holy church. Indeed, we are all sinful, but those of us who are truly catholics ackowledge our sin, ask forgiveness, and move on with a sincere attempt NOT to committ those sin again. Instead you sin in a calcualted, unrepentent, and continuous manner. It's sad, but evident, that you have embraced evil tenets and believe in your heart that you are a compassionate person because you tolerate evil (?!). What may be worse, is that you truly believe that you are thoughful and intelligent. That makes you even more dangerous to yourselves and your society. However, this is the definition of a liberal and despite what you force yourself to think, you are simply on the wrong side of things. Having said that, I sincerely pray for you all and I ask you to sincerely pray for me.

I agree with the declaration. It is important that the rules of ethics and what is right be articulated and enforced. We cannot be namby pamby about what is right and what is wrong.

I AGREE WITH THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION. I PRAY PEOPLE WILL WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY AND VOTE TO CHANGE THINGS. I BELIEVE THAT THE LORD WIL TAKE CARE OF US.

This is a disgusting document and those who sign it are beyond contempt. What sad people to realise that women have a right to make their own reproductive choices (hint: if there is proper birth control that would put a brake on abortions right there...but women aren't supposed to control their fertility, are they? Not in Benedict XVI's world). GLBTQ people have civil rights and if you don't like the idea of gay marriage,join a church that won't allow same-sex marriage. don't get married as part of a same sex couple, don't go to the wedding, don't give a gift, etc. You do not have the right to limit their civil rights and sooner or later, the Supreme Court will make that clear.

Why do none of these fanatics ever worry about the poor, the homeless, the unjust war in Afghanistan, etc.? Oh, yes, they're too busy trying to tell women how many babies to have or not have and trying to prevent loving same-sex couples from legally marrying. Perfectly understandable.

The Manhattan Declaration uphold traditional Christianity. Perhaps all of you who dissent from its wisdom might read "I, Claudius", by Robert Graves, with its candid and historical perspective -- we are entering into a period very much like Rome in its decline -- with its attendant sexual ethics... or lack of them.

Finally, at least some of the American bishops have taken a stand regarding the direction our culture is going.

For too long our American bishops have echoed the "social justice" mantra of the Democratic party, and cooperated with its agenda, ignoring history...a history that amply illustrates that whenever the Church gets into bed with the politics of the day, it is the Church that gets raped, it is the Church that gets shamed, it is the Church that gets compromised, it is the Church that gets blamed.

"Thou shall not kill." It is evil to kill. Life begans at conception. If the baby wasn't a live it wouldn't grow. That is commom sense. There are plenty of other options. Marriage is between a man and woman. If people would go by the Bible the True word of God they would see the truth. It has all the answers. We don't need this kind of bill. No government run health care where their is rashing or the eldery is denied the care they need, so the goverment can save two ways. no need for insurance and soc. sec. checks if you die. That is a savings to the government.