Iraqi bishop says U.S. betrayed country, Christians suffer most

Obama had two years to change the dialogue and he did absolutely nothing to bring healing to that country. He just continued what Bush did before him.

What President George Bush, a self-described Christian, gave the Middle East was the end of significant Christian presence in the Holy Land and surrounding countries. Look at their decline in numbers since Bush became president. It is in the millions.

If more Catholics followed the faith, earnestly prayed daily, read their Bibles daily, went to Mass regularly, confessed their sins, and lived the Christian life, then the the government would reflect those values as well because they would vote morality rather than convenience. It is amazing to me that so many Catholics are Democrats. I am not saying that they have to be Republicans by any means, but at the very least they should not be members of the party of death. The war in Iraq will be a blessing in the future. I brought my Iraqi business partner and his family here to America and that is how I helped. It is because of the USA that he and his family are free. Let us not confuse the political with the religious objectives of the USA.

This sounds like those Latin American bishops who in the past supported dictators because the dictators sheltered those clergy who didn't make waves. The Iraqi bishops miss the terror-filled good old days of Saddam Hussain.

What did the Iraqis expect us to do. Did they want us to invade them or give them a chance to rule their country themselves. From what I have read and heard about the country, they did not even try to revolt and save their country from Hussein. Yet they want someone else todo it for them. As for their lack of getting along, then they can just fight to the death, as that is all they have know for centuries.
As Christ said,"let the dead bury the dead" Amen

With the support of Rome, the people of Iraq were a means to an end for the Bush administration, takng the British Commonwealth with them.
The public delicing of Saddam Hussein, once welcomed with open arms, warts and all again for expediency, was a digraceful act for a civilized country, not to mention atrocities others were coerced into taking part in.
No wonder Tony Blair is contibuting the proceeds of his book to the injured personel.
His Baptism would be a sure why of giving himself a clean slate and new beginning; and as for the bishops, it's a little late for them to change their tune and in retrospect that's something that isn't new.

Ah, well. This type of lowlife middle eastern scum which terrorizes others and runs with gangs has always existed there, excellency. Your dictator who we caught, tried, and executed was merely the biggest thug in the area and was a genuine threat to "stability" (hah!) in the Middle East! Heck, even though he boasted about having WMDs and used chemical and bio weapons on the Kurds, and the Iranians......of course he never would use them against us or against our allies in that area, or disrupt the global economy (except when he lit up thousands and thousands of oil fields. So, will those people ever get it together and get along? I doubt it. They never have before. To blame America is simply a convenient excuse for that perpetual turmoil.

So why has the former Ambassador waited until the "dastardly deed" is done to speak out! Why has no one in the Church who knew about this travesty spoken out so that American Catholics could be informed about this "betrayal" when something "political" might have been done about it! Are the Iraqi Catholics being used as a pawn perhaps in a greater "partisan political struggle"? God help the poor souls who knew the ugly truth but betrayed Christ in their Iraq brothers by keeping silent until it wa too late! Someday they will have to answer to Mary Our Queen for what they have done to her beloved Son! I do not envy them!

In international law, the war did succeed in removing the threats to the peace which Iraq had been responsible for. It forced Iraq to execute in full the international legal consequences of the crime of aggression committed against Kuwait in 1990, and of the crime of genocide against the Kurds completed in September 1998. It made sure that criminals were brought to justice.

Is it possible that the violence which was unleashed in Iraq after the invasion was a divine punishment on the people because of their false religion?

Is it not time for the Church to repudiate dhimmmitude and set about converting the Muslims to Christianity?

While Obama is busy bowing down to the the Saudi King and praising Islam and Muslims everywhere, he turns a blind eye to the plight of the battered and nearly annihilated Christian people in Iraq. What greater hypocrisy is there than this? While he is lavishing all sorts of expensive Ramadan dinners in the White House, while he continuously and persistently belittles Christianity in almost every speech in which he touches upon religion, he seems to do nothing else but promote Islam (who knows what his motives are, maybe it's because he's Muslim or maybe he's just praising Islam because he sold himself to the 'other master.' In any case, his record so far has been nothing else but anti-Christian. Where's the liberal left now, especially among those who call themselves Catholic?

We could have pretended to kill Saddam and he could be living a life of luxury on a deserted island.

Then we could have "installed" a US puppet as the new dictator and Iraqi oil business would still be conducted in dollarsssss.

Instead, millions have suffered. All for Haliburton and the rest of those monopoly capitalist creeps to make money off of pain.

In the cup which She hath filled, fill to Her DOUBLE.
America is described in the Scriptures by the prophets as a cruel nation which has no pity, pollutes the waters rendering them unfit to drink when She invades other nations and leaves nothing untouched. She is the feller that destroys the choice trees (peoples) and soon all nations will be astonied at Her demise which happens in one day. She will be requited DOUBLE. Woe, Woe, Woe to America! Babylon The Great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZJ2qzsNbac

There's one thing I'm getting sick of hearing. That is the soldiers are heroes. They're fighting a war for the global elite, (Bankers). The two wars are immoral and illegal. The enemy is in Washington D.C. 9/11 was an inside job.

We the people of the United States have only ourselves to blame for the failures of the government. As long as we continue to tolerate these people acting like overlords and unaccountable dictators over their own citizens, while simultaneously appeasing and coddling every evil regime around the globe, for rank political gain. We have the WORST of both political worlds in this country.

We need to disengage from our excessive foriegn entanglements, keep our money at home, and work on rebuilding our own nation, society, government and infrastructure. And once we've done that, we need to be smart enough not to start the decay all over again.

Saddam was a brutal dictator, generously supported by the US, trying to contain the vicious sectarian fighting between the Muslims there. We also used him to great effect against Iran. I don't know what the Christians were doing all this time. We should have left right after the Mission Accomplished charade. I have a sneaking suspicion that we got bogged down and surrounded in tiny pockets (except for Baghdad)all over Iraq and COULDN'T leave, so we just blasted the hell out of the whole place.

Even before the founding of the USA in 1789, America (the european invasion) had a policy of Imperialism predicted upon racism, aggression, genocide, ethnic cleansing, slavery, and war crimes.
Why! Havent you read your history books: America got is start by stealing the entire North American continent from the indigenious indians. With that done the US stole Cuba,Puerto Rico,Guam, and inflicted a genocidal war against the people of the Philippines. American then illegally grabbed the islands of Hawaii. Shall i continue? Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia and then into Europe and the Middle east.
And inspite of claims to the contrary the USA still occupies Japan.

There is much much more and it makes one wonder with amazement; why did the bishops greet Nicholson with “Thank you for liberating our country.” Didnt they know what America does to countries it "liberates"? Hadnt they studied history in school?

President Saddam Hussein westernized the nation of Iraq. In Iraq, western goods were plentyful, alcohol was not forbidden, western culture was allowed into the nation as long as it did not promote anti social or depraved behavior like, queer worship for example.
The women of Iraq enjoyed freedoms under Saddams rule. Women wore western clothes and could seek employment, this is freedom as opposed to their treatment in other nations of the region.
Saddam made sure Iraq remained free from the threat of Radical Islam, militant religious organizations were crushed with an iron fist, zero tolerance was the rule. Religious freedom was tolerated, the political militant religious sects for obvious reasons were forbidden.
My point is, Iraq today is a wasteland, the infrastructure is in shambles,secular violence is rampant and radical islamic influence has gained a foothold in the country. Iraqs so called Democracy is a farse and will last only as long as our troops remain in the country. When we do leave, the secular violence will explode, thousands will parish and afterwards another Saddam will rise from the ashes and restore order. What is not know, will this leader be pro western or strict and religiously intolerant of all western influence.

Iraq has been ravished by what this bishop wished for!

The bishop should have heeded the words of Jesus "live by the sword die by the sword."

We do NOT need war --- is it not time for Christians to actively put a stop to war?

The world needs a mass movement to stop war!

The Real Agenda, stated in documents for "The New American Century" written by Dick Cheney, William Kristol and Donald Rumsfeld among others is a two fold agenda.

One, to deny Russia and China middle eastern oil and establish Anglo-American domination through control of the "crossroads" of the world. Second, is to eliminate all monotheistic religions through turmoil and wars, plagues and controlled weather manipulation. Destroy all Religions (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) in a final war of extermination. Establishing a One World Secular Order. Establish Three trading blocks, Eastern Asia, Mideast and Central Europe, and Western Europe, and the Americas. Playing the three groups off against one another for a period of around 100 years. Then, when chaos has destroyed all, reveal the "true light" of the world and Lucifer will reign for 1000 years. At least that's the plan.

Source: The Project for the New American Century
Albert Pikes, Letter to Mazzini

google it.

Interesting election result in Tasmania Australia; Andrew Wilkie, resigned Intelligence Officer and whistleblower on the war in Iraq, won the Independence vote over there.
His book Axis of deceit is an eye opener and well worth reading, it took a lot of courage and came at a price.
Congratulations Andrew.

John Paul II had it worked out and proclaimed the war on Iraq evil. Bush sent delegations to the Vatican trying in vain to get his approval for the attack.
Cardinal Ratzinger, almost certainly without John Paul II approval, prolonged catholic complicity and evil of the war by instructing US bishops that catholics cannot vote for pro-abortion John Kerry who promised US withdrawal. Ratzinger argued that killing pre-natals was more evil than killing post-natals which would result from the war's continuation. This might hold in some circumstances of Double Effect justifying collateral damage, but in this case the war was evil from the onset, so collateral damage was also evil without distinction.Ratzinger's only option to minimise complicity in evil was to instruct US catholics to vote for neither Bush or Kerry.
The death, misery and destruction which the US inflicted in Iraq, and is now repeating elsewhere, is the result of a misguided nation, significantly afflicted this way by the absence of intrinsic catholicism.

It's ironic that the people who suffered most from the US invasion of Iraq were both Christians and Jews. I've read that in the 1930's, Jews made up the majority of Baghdad's population and supplied nearly all the doctors, engineers and banking industry personnel for the country. After 1948, many Jews fled the country as a result of bomb attacks on important buildings, a number of which, if not all, were actually carried out by Zionist agents for Israel to spook the Jews into stampeding into Israel. A considerable number of Jews remained in Iraq until after the US invasion in 2003, after which time the entire Jewish population eventually left or just died out.

It's true that many Christians and Jews did support Saddam Hussein as he generously funded their buildings. He built a large synagogue in Baghdad for the Jewish community there. It is said Hussein had a soft spot for Jews as a Jewish midwife saved his life and his mother's life as a result of birth complications. Of course, it could be that Hussein was using money to manipulate Christians and Jews into supporting him and some Iraqi Christians did actually twig onto that and tried to refuse his largesse.

We should remember above all that the US government supported Saddam Hussein's government during its war against Iran from 1980 to 1988 and funded both warring sides whenever it suited to keep the war going. In addition, France and Germany sold mustard gas to Hussein's government. The US government has no compunction when it comes to supporting despotic, tyrannical governments and neither does the rest of the First World.

If people think Iraqis and Arabs generally are stupid for putting up with their stupid governments, consider that these governments are supported by the US and European governments with money and arms. Arabs may hate their governments but they know where their oppressors' power comes from. Do we in the First World know where our governments' power comes from?

Bush went into a secular country and changed it into a fanatical fundamentalist country. Saddam Hussein allowed women education and to participate in politics and for this the Saudi Republic hated him and Bush being a close friend of the Saudi Royal family (Saudis don't allow women to vote or drive cars by the way), Bush decided to go do something about it (kissy,kissy hand holding Saudis) and get rid of Saddam and at the same time steal the oil and/or oil rights from the Iraqis. And at the same time reward his puppet master Cheney's companies Haliburton and KBR billions of dollars in no bid contracts paid for by us the American tax payer so that now we are bankrupt. So Bush and Cheney were successful in doing what they wanted to do. They won the war for their own selfish reasons (may they both rot in hell) and now Obama is just cleaning up their mess by trying to leave and now the Iraqis have to deal with it on their own because now we are too bankrupt to even help them.

DISASTER - This effort will go down in History as one of the greatest Military failures of the United States of America. We are hated by Nations that once respected us. Our economy is in the free fall and jobs have been moved overseas. Those hoping for a job, WAKEUP - Corporations have moved your job to the Philippines or India.

The US attitude and behaviour has not changed! When it invades other countries, America rapes, pilages, ruins and leaves a trail of destuction and hate in the wake of its trampling of people to feather the nests of industrialists.

The US has not left. Obama's decleration of the end of "combat" troops in Iraq is the equivelent of Bush's "victory" speech ending all "combat" operations. It is a lie there are still thousands of troops as well as at least 150,000 mercenaries that the Iraquis have said time and again they don't want. If you consider yourself a Christian plese look at all the deformed and mentally ill children being born now thanks to thea US toxic weaponry. Afterwards be true to your concience and abandon the commercial patriotism.

Iraq has been utterly destroyed, and will never be able to threaten Israel again. Job well done! Now, on to Iran...

Bush's "Shock and Awe" destruction of Iraq...what a waste. The human toll has yet to be realized.

America has polluted Iraq with tens of thousands of rounds
of depleted uranium (which is a carcinogen, since it'is a heavy
metal and radioactive, since it emits gamma rays)...
who will clean all that mess?

Wars are always about the financing. All the rest is just rhetoric to get people to go along. As a Rothchild once said, "I care not who or what type of government runs a country, just give me control of it's finances and they'll do as I say." Saddham kept the Rothchilds out, along with their terrorism efforts, but that's ove now. The Rothchild's banking is in, the Queen's oil companies are in, and Enron has the same offer they had for California - total financial destruction. Blackwater and Halliburton are there to stay, so where do we send the bill?

After 7 years of destruction and democracy-building, we forgot about keeping the lights on, and the water flowing. Soon the Iraqis will start building statues to Saddham for the glory days!

The comments here are really off the wall!!!

Obama should give an appointment to KIko and Carmen. They will help him understand the good that comes from christianity.

Before going back to reflexively defending Bush, maybe we should consider the Bishop's words and plight.

Granted, his "good old days under Hussein" line is bizarre and seems - at first glance - radically insensitive to or ignorant of the tens of thousands that Hussein slaughtered and the hundreds of thousands caused to starve by funneling oil for food funds into his palaces and military. No doubt Hussein had to go, and the UN sure as shinola wasn't going to do anything about it as they and several countries circumventing the facade of UN sanctions were profiting greatly by Hussein's manipulations.

But didn't we owe it to them to provide security for the Christian minority? That is not an unfair question, and it's odd to see Catholics here saying "Oh well." This minority has actually shrunk under persecution since the invasion. Why not find out how they could be safe to live and worship going forward? Difficult no doubt, but there is an obligation to do this.

As an atheist I find all the flag waving,gun toting,evangelising,anti-muslim christian sentiments morally repugnent.Not one of you addresses the fact that ameriscumbag troops torture prisoners.Or mentions the fact that the dreaded Mr.S.Hussein was neutral to the presence of christians,jews,and all the other varied superstitionists that inhabited Iraq.

Give me a break. God never told people to make up lies then use them as a excuse to go around killing people. It would be all around cheaper and better to just buy the oil, but then our friends in high places would not get quite so rich.

FACT: The Iraq war and the 'coalition of the willing' was based on a bag of lies and deceit, brought about by the American democratically elected president G.W. Bush and his administration.

FACT: Nothing of the fairy tales told by the Bush administration has come true. The Iraqi society is worse off, the country is demolished and for the larger part bankrupt, over a 100.000 innocent people were killed during or as a result of the war (*at least* 30 times more than killed by terrorists in the WTC attacks), an even greater number of people are traumatized for life, western values such as tolerance and democracy have died or never come to life, people are suffering day by day from sectarion violence and threats.

FACT: Some deaf, dumb and blind idiots attempt to not blame the Bush administration, but the Obama administration.

This is exactly what I heard from an order of Catholic nuns working in Iraq during the sanctions of George Herbert Walker Bush.

an iraq worse than it was before baby bush invaded the nation seriously weakened by papa bush's long state of post desert storm seige

an iraq worse than it was under SAdaam

there was never any reason to invade
and what we have done is worse than Sadaam

hear this bishop

America's Founding Fathers got it right when they put the Constitution together. If we had taken their advice we would not be in this mess. Looks to me like we are on the road to ruin. Sticking our noses in everybody's business and going broke. If the destruction of America had been planned in great detail by the greatest minds of this century, they could not have done a better job. Oh, wait a minute, maybe that is exactly what has happened. Welcome to the New World Order Bush and Blair spoke of so eloquently. I guess they thought it unnecessary to get into the details. Especially the part about a few at the top controlling our lives down to the last detail while we beg for the crumbs that fall from the royal table.

The real purpose of the invasion was to destroy an enemy of Israel and the last thing Israel wants is a rebuilt Iraq. Iraq is now laid to wast and there is much joy in Israel, for in the future they plan to rule this area and exact tribute as the chosen race. Same goes for Iran, Saudi Arabia, ad infinitum.

The real purpose of the invasion was to destroy an enemy of Israel and the last thing Israel wants is a rebuilt Iraq. Iraq is now laid to wast and there is much joy in Israel, for in the future they plan to rule this area and exact tribute as the chosen race. Same goes for Iran, Saudi Arabia, ad infinitum.

This multitude of comments should convince any Catholic/Christian or American patriot of the undeniable fact that they have been deceived by all of the dogma they have swallowed over the years. Please heed the words of Yahweh our creator and "Come out of her, My people." Our time is just about up. We as a nation (and the world) are sinking faster than the millstone tied around our necks. Read BABYLON IS FALLING! IS FALLING by James Arthur.

First of all, a crucifix violates the 10 commandments, of which Jesus said 'Every jot and every tittle of the law' must be obeyed. Jesus never said 'Thou can now make graven images in my likeness.' Secondly, every 'Christian' church steeple is a stylized obelisk that originally hails from spiritual Egypt, not from the law of Moses which Jesus observed. Thirdly, the sabbath as observed by Jesus falls on Saturday, not Sunday - in honor of Roman sun worship as practiced by the Catholic church. Plus, you'll find the crown of Dagon on the Pope's head and more wealth on his fingers than the poor have in most third world countries. That is just off the top of my head.

Jesus told his disciples to sell their worldly possessions in order to follow him; when is the last time you saw ANY so-called Christian church doing that? Never! They are mostly idol worshippers and lovers of filthy lucre who bleed the poor to live like kings. Just look at the dominionists on the protestant side - they're ideologically closer to the Son of Sam than the Son of Man. The fact of the matter is that for all intents and purposes there are few if any true Christians in the western world. You have instead bloodthirsty and rapacious people who burn, torture, kill and maim to gain power in this life.
When Jesus returns he is going to be PISSED about all the evil that has been done in his name...