Five observations on the new cardinals

Naming new cardinals is among the more important acts of any papacy, because the cardinals form the "electoral college" that will pick the next pope. That’s arguably even more significant this time around, given that Benedict XVI will turn 85 in April – and although there’s no sign of any health crisis, at that age it’s natural to begin thinking about what might come next.

Here are five quick observations about the 22 new cardinals named today by Benedict XVI, including 18 who are under 80 and therefore eligible to participate in a future conclave.

The consistory, when today’s nominees will actually enter the College of Cardinals, is set for Rome Feb. 18-19.

Bring on the Italians

It was already a commonplace observation about Benedict XVI that in some ways he has “re-Italianized” the Vatican and the papacy, perhaps a product of his comfort level with Italian ecclesial culture after spending almost the last thirty years in Rome.

Certainly today’s appointments will reinforce those impressions. Prior to today’s nominations, there were 24 Italians among 108 voting-age cardinals, representing 22 percent of the total. With seven Italians among the 18 cardinal electors named today, their share will rise to 25 percent, fully one-quarter of the number of cardinals who will elect the next pope. That’s by far the largest national bloc in the College of Cardinals; the next largest is the Americans, who will have 18 cardinals in total and 11 eligible to vote for the pope.

The preponderance of Italians, however, doesn’t necessarily make it more likely that the next pope will be an Italian. Historically, the Italians have often been divided among themselves, unable to agree on a single candidate, and it’s possible that scenario could repeat itself the next time around.

For instance, Cardinal Angelo Scola of Milan enjoys tremendous support in some quarters, but some Italians remain leery of his deep ties with the Communion and Liberation movement. Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, President of the Pontifical Council for Culture, is widely admired for his erudition and outreach to secular culture, but he doesn’t really have a natural base of support among the established Italian “camps.”

In any event, one thing seems certain: Given the high number of Italian electors, it’s difficult to imagine that the next pope could be elected without at last some strong support in Italian circles.

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More (and more) Vatican cardinals

Perhaps the most obvious observation about the new crop of cardinals is that it’s top-heavy with Vatican personnel. Ten of the 18 voting-age cardinals, a majority, are officials of the Roman curia or hold some other Vatican job.

Including cardinals who are retired but still under 80, current or former Vatican officials already accounted for 34 of the 108 cardinal-electors, or 31 percent. Including the new nominees, Vatican officials will represent 44 out of 126 electors, or 35 percent.

All things being equal, the strong representation of Vatican officials in the College of Cardinals probably strengthens the possibility that the next pope could be a curial figure – or, at least, it may reduce the bias against electing someone whose last job was in Rome.

Notably, Benedict XVI left one Vatican figure off the list of new cardinals: Archbishop Rino Fisichella, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization.

The project of a “new evangelization” is the apple of Benedict’s eye, perhaps the most consistent theme he strikes in laying out his priorities for Catholicism in the 21st century. Given that putting a cardinal in charge of something is a traditional way for a pope to signal that he cares about it, it’s somewhat curious that Fisichella was left off the list.

(By the way, it’s not because Fisichella got the job only recently. Portuguese Archbishop Manuel Monteiro de Castro was named head of the Apostolic Penitentiary just yesterday, and he made the cut.)

Snub to Africa?

During his recent trip to Benin, his second voyage to Africa as pope, Benedict XVI praised the African continent as a “spiritual lung” for humanity and pointed to it as a critically important zone for the future of the Catholic church.

Yet in the appointments announced today, Africa was conspicuous by its absence.

In the run-up to today’s announcement, it was widely believed that at least two Africans would be on the list: Archbishop Telesphore George Mpundu of Lusaka, Zambia, and Archbishop Cyprian Kizito Lwanga of Kampala in Uganda. In the end, however, neither made the cut.

At the moment, there are eleven Africans among the voting-age cardinals. Once the Feb.18-19 consistory takes place, there will still be 11 Africans, alongside 11 cardinal electors from the United States alone – despite the fact that Africa has more than twice the Catholic population of the United States.

In November, the number of African electors will drop to ten, as retired Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria turns 80.

Part of the problem may be that Benedict’s picks today were disproportionately skewed to Vatican officials, and the two Africans who hold senior positions in the Roman Curia are already cardinals: Peter Turkson of Ghana, President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, and Robert Sarah of Guinea, President of Cor Unum.

In general, today's nominations reinforce the dominance of the West in the College of Cardinals. Only three of the 18 new electors come from the developing world -- one Brazilian, one Indian, and one from China (Hong Kong). In that sense, the College of Cardinals will continue to be unrepresentative of Catholic demography, given that two-thirds of the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world today live in the global south, a share projected to rise to three-quarters by mid-century.

Technocrats, not ideologues
From the outside, people often assume that when a pope picks new cardinals, he must be tempted to “stack the deck” with men who think like him, thereby ensuring that his successor will consolidate his own policies.

In the case of Benedict XVI, that would translate into an assumption that his choices for cardinals ought to reflect his own fairly conservative theology and politics.

While there certainly are no “liberals” among today’s appointments, at least as measured by the secular sense of the term, the list does not appear to be significantly skewed in any particular ideological direction. Mostly, it’s a crop of technocrats – Italians and Vatican officials known more as pragmatic managers than for their theological or ideological point of view.

While there certainly are prominent “evangelicals” among the new bunch of cardinals, meaning men known as strong defenders of Catholic identity – Timothy Dolan of New York, for instance, and Thomas Collins of Toronto – for the most part, these are figures also know for openness and commitment to dialogue, as opposed to a hard ideological line.

The appointments also contain at least two figures with a reputation as theological moderates: Archbishop João Bráz de Aviz of Brazil, President of the Vatican’s Congregation for Religious, who’s been sympathetic over the years to liberation theology in Latin America and who has deep ties to the Focolare movement; and Syro-Malabar Archbishop George Alencherry of India, committed to the Indian church’s efforts on behalf of the tribal underclass.

In that sense, it’s difficult to make the case that Benedict XVI has “stacked the deck” today in a political or ideological sense.

Dolan’s star still rising

It’s hard to find anyone in the Catholic world these days whose rise up the career ladder has been more meteoric than Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, who will turn 62 a week before he gets his red hat as a cardinal in the Feb. 18-19 consistory.

First made auxiliary bishop of St. Louis in 2000, Dolan has been promoted twice in the last decade: he became the Archbishop of Milwaukee in 2002, and then took over the biggest bully pulpit in the American church as the Archbishop of New York in 2009.

He’s also the elected president of the U.S. bishops’ conference, and more and more, he’s the Vatican’s go-to guy in America. Benedict XVI tapped Dolan to lead a review of seminary life in Ireland as part of the response to the sex abuse crisis, and the pontiff also included him among a set of global heavy-hitters named as members of the Council for New Evangelization.

It’s striking that Benedict XVI was willing to step outside his own skin, if just a little bit, to include Dolan on today’s list of new cardinals. Heretofore, Benedict has been a stickler for the custom that a new cardinal is not named until the previous cardinal of that diocese turns 80 (unless, of course, the retired cardinal dies in the meantime). That’s likely the reason, for instance, that Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster is still in a holding pattern; his predecessor, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, doesn’t turn 80 until August.

Yet Benedict made an exception in Dolan’s case. His predecessor, Cardinal Edward Egan, is still 79, and won’t turn 80 until April 2. It’s another small, but telling, indication that Dolan clearly enjoys the favor of the pope.

For more insight about Dolan, readers may wish to consult with my recent book-length interview with him, titled People of Hope: http://www.amazon.com/People-Hope-Archbishop-Timothy-Conversation/dp/030...

No Filipinos? No more

No Filipinos? No more electors from the 3rd biggest catholic Country in terms of Population.

Yes, what happened to

Yes, what happened to Archbishop Tangle of the Phillipines? And looks like Africa was also snubbed.

apparently being a "spiritual

apparently being a "spiritual lung" has no real power at all.
However you read that.
Just hot air.

Abp. Chito Tagle's

Abp. Chito Tagle's predecessor, Gaudencio Cardinal Rosales still under 80 so he still have to have until after August 17 this year.

What about Filipinos? The

What about Filipinos? The Church is much bigger than Vatican, Italy, US and Philippines. How about Asians and Africans? India, Gongo.... The Church is too white. B16 please wake UP and smell the coffee, smell th air and look at the sun and clouds.....

Archbishop Tagle's

Archbishop Tagle's predecessor as Archbishop of Manila, His Eminence Gaudencio Borbon Cardinal Rosales, does not lose his status as a cardinal elector until August 10. The Holy Father has given himself a little leeway in that he has taken into account those five cardinals who will lose their right to vote in conclave during the five months following February's consistory. These are: Rodolfo Cardinal Quezada Toruño (March 8); Edward Michael Cardinal Egan (April 2); Miloslav Cardinal Vlk (May 17); Henri Cardinal Schwery (June 14); and, James Francis Cardinal Stafford (July 26).

Interestingly the next two cardinals who will lose their right to vote after these are the above named Cardinal Rosales and then on August 24 His Eminence Cormac Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop Emeritus of Westminster, England.

Thus IF the Holy Father had given himself just a little more leeway, extending the time he was taking into acount from 5 to (just under) 6 months, he could have included both Archbishop Tagle AND Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster. Westminster is, after all, the oldest "red hat" see in the English speaking world. Is Pope Benedict trying to tell Archbishop Nichols something?

Tagle won't be made a

Tagle won't be made a Cardinal until Cardinal Rosales is over 80. It's an unwritten rule that there shouldn't be more than one Cardinal from an Archdiocese that votes in the Conclave.

How about the Archbishop of

How about the Archbishop of Cebu, Most Rev. Jose Palma? I am disappointed...

Ricardo Cardinal Vidal,

Ricardo Cardinal Vidal, archbishop emeritus of Cebu, is now over 80 years old yet Archbishop Palma (his successor) did not make the cut. Archbishop Palma holds a very important role since he is the current president of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines. Oh, well, there will always be a next consistory, but most probably not until 2013. Anyways, I'm still rooting for Abp Palma.

Probably because Cardinal

Probably because Cardinal Rosales is still a Cardinal-elector (below 80 years old). Note that Rosales was not given the red hat until Cardinal Sin died before he turned 80.

It is really sad that Manila

It is really sad that Manila Archbishop Antonio Tagle was not chosen to be a Cardinal. His predecessor, Cardinal Rosales, will turn 80 next August.It means that by August 2012 no Filipino will be able to get into the Conclave. Why didn't the Vatican pay attention to the country?
Archbishop Tagle was a member of the International Theological Commission since the 1990's, together with Cardinal Ratzinger. He is a theologian,a professor, a shepherd, a humble and good man...
He is only 54 years old... To be a cardinal, does one need to be old, european, white...?
I hope Tagle becomes a Pope... the first Asian pope. It will make sense!

Tagle and Ratzinger probably

Tagle and Ratzinger probably didnt get along/agree when they were on the International Theological commission

The Catholic Church in the

The Catholic Church in the Philippines has presently 3 Cardinals, but only one of them, Gaudencio B. Cardinal Rosales (Emeritus) from the Archdiocese of Manila is an elector until he turns 80 on 10 August of this year. The Philippines is the only Church in Asia with the biggest number of Catholics - 85-90% of its total population. We pray that the Lord will also bless us with a red hat (even 2 red hats), please God, when our beloved Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI calls another consistory. But more so I pray that the love of Christ will urge us Filipinos to preserve, defend and promote the 2 gifts God has given us which are now fast disappearing in other countries of the world (Blessed John Paul II told this to me in July 1996 when I presented my credentials to him): the richness of our faith and the closeness of our families.

Cardinal-Designate Dolan's

Cardinal-Designate Dolan's star is rising because the Holy Father reco gnizes that, in Dolan, he has a man who is deeply and passionately and unashamedly committed to the Church, someone who is in love with Christ and with the Gospel.

At the same time, I believe the Supreme Pontiff recognizes that Dolan is a man of compassion and understanding, someone who is willing to listen to those with whom he agrees, and those with whom he disagrees. He is a man who believes, not in authoritarian demands for obedience, but rather in dialogue and discussion, persuading those who disagree with him to come around.

Finally, the Cardinal-Designate, as anyone who has been around him will readily confirm, is a man of genuine joy and happiness. He radiates joy. He is not grumpy and miserable, as if being a bishop were more a burden than a vocation. He is not downcast as if all hope is lost and the Church and the world are destined for doom and gloom. Rather, he is a person of optimism, who genuinely believes that Jesus is Lord, and He has won the final victory, thus let us rejoice!

I could not think of a better choice for Cardinal! Congratulations, Cardinal-Designate Dolan!

CWG---How happy you

CWG---How happy you sound--what a cheering section Dolan has in you. But gays in NY State know all about Dolan.
He fought like a tiger to stop the legalization of same-sex marriage---never apologizing, never explaining. He takes his anti-gay theoretical theology and uses it to try to smash the real lives of real people. Our only hope is that he doesn't follow his now, fellow Cardinal George, and refrain from equating gays with the Ku Klux Klan.

Surely, Dolan is just doing

Surely, Dolan is just doing his job.

Repealing same-sex "marriage"

Repealing same-sex "marriage" is an urgent need here in New York,and I hope the new Cardinal Dolan can be part of forcing it down Cuomo's throat.(Metaphorically).It is the "gay" who must apologize for claiming any excuse for gratifying their same-sex attraction,let alone having doing so treated as if of no lesser worth than genuine marriages.

in Italian " campa cavallo

in Italian " campa cavallo che l'erba cresce" in other words, a wishful thinking but a mathematical impossibility. gay marriage is here to stay and expanding all over the world. The problem is with the Catholic Church consideration of the matrimony as a sacrament and therefore all the legal difficulties that come with that concept; instead of been just a contract as it is still in Judaism; a contract can be broken= divorce.

Amen, Amen!

Amen, Amen!

I didn't mean this! I am a

I didn't mean this! I am a firm believer in marriage, same-sex or otherwise.

Cardinal George didn't

Cardinal George didn't "equate gays with the Ku Klux Klan". Read his actual words and you'll discover he was simply comparing gay activist tactics to the tactics of the Klan (scheduling a protest march in such a manner as to disrupt church services). Tactics, nasty tactics, not persons were the target of his commentary. I personally find his subsequent apology totally unnecessary. But he wants to keep peace as best he can. A real Christian. Can't say the same for discourteous protesters.

I am happy, Northcountry1,

I am happy, Northcountry1, because Cardinal-Designate Dolan was a professor of mine in college and I grew to know him and to admire him greatly.

As to your comments, I would expect no less from His Eminence. The immorality of same-sex "marriage" is one of the five moral non-negotiables that the USCCB published in 2004. Marriage is between a man and a woman only; any other type of "marriage" is inherently immoral and gravely disordered. That is the consistent teaching of the Church, building upon the ancient teachings of the Hebrew Scriptures and Judaism, through the 2000 year history of the Church. It is not for the Church to change a teaching that has been in place for more than 2000 years (more than 3000 if you include the Judaic teachings) and is a part of the Church's infallible Ordinary Magisterium. Rather, it is for us to change our lives to conform to that of Christ and His Church.

The Cardinal-Designate has nothing to apologize for in his opposition to same-sex "marriage". He did absolutely the right and moral thing. The only way this teaching can be viewed as "anti-gay" is if one identifies oneself, and derives one's value as a human person, based solely on who or what one sleeps with. Surely the "gays in NY state" view themselves as more than the sum total of their sexual behavior and proclivities.

I am not sure how "gays in NY

I am not sure how "gays in NY state" may define themselves. I hardly think it is, as CWG states, as merely the sum total of their sexual behavior and proclivites. What does seem clear is this is how CWG perceives gay people rather than as beloved sons and daughters of God who created them gay, for whom being gay is about ones personhood and sense of identity rather than merely ones "sexual behavior or proclivities. I suspect that Dolan as a compassionate Catholic recognizes on a personal and pastoral level but not public.

If we define ourselves by our

If we define ourselves by our temptations then I am an adulterer and they are gay. Defining yourself by the sin you find most tempting is not what anyone should use to identify themselves. There is no doubt homosexual activity is a mortal sin. The Cardinal as a previous poster stated is only doing his job out of love for them.

Then why isn't the Cardinal

Then why isn't the Cardinal delegate spending millions of lay dollars to combat no fault divorce?

What is wrong with fighting

What is wrong with fighting against same-sex marriage? How could it be any different? A Christian world view only allows marriage as it has always been - male and female. How can one who is a follower of Christ propose anything different? When one's heart is converted behavior begins to change to do God's will, not "my" will.

We all have a propensity toward diiferent sins and behaviors that are against God's design for us. When I put any thing before God that sin/behavior becomes my "idol" and one will do anything to justify one's behavior. My sin, behavior is my "lord" as I am enslaved to my sin and selfish desires. True freedom from sin comes through Christ. Through Christ I am on a journey towards true peace and freedom as I become less and less a slave to my sinful desires. That's what Christ means when he said the Truth will set you free. He is the Truth. The world hates Christ and the Christian world view so much is because the God of Scriptures is the moral law-giver that the world hates. When I sin not only do I reject God but I become the arbiter of what is good and evil. I want to do it my way, not God's way. And, of course I will live with the consequences. The above is in regard to any sin and passion that enlaves a person.

God bless.

Dear CWG, I think you have it

Dear CWG,

I think you have it a bit wrong regarding Dolan. His disagreement with gay marriage is no reflection of his love for all people (gay's included - of course). I think it is sad that one is maligned when one does not agree with a particular point of view (i.e. gay marriage). For all the tolerance you seek - it may be helpful to tolerate the views and opinion of your current Archbishop. Have you ever considered, "what if he is actually right?"

Peace,
ERN

Oh my! Seems Dolan is too

Oh my! Seems Dolan is too good to be pope!

and too good for the People

and too good for the People of God, too.

While we freeze and starve and go naked and sick, he gleefully rings the Wall Street gong.

While Jose and Maria sought where to bring forth the Son of God and could find no sanctuary.

Dolan. Get outside.
Serve our people
Learn Spanish.
Get a Life.
Read Boff first.

If there is any American

If there is any American prelate who would be an ideal candidate to succeed to the Throne of Peter, it would be Cardinal-Designate Dolan.

Since when should "Peter" and

Since when should "Peter" and the word "throne" be used in the same sentence? What would Peter think about that?
On the other hand, in the world of clerical thinking and ideology, the word "throne" fits in nicely.

Wow! CWG--you are a one-man

Wow! CWG--you are a one-man public relations firm for Dolan and his views about marriage. Since you mention the old testament in defense of the "traditional" view of marriage do you endorse the teaching that gays should be murdered, killed and tortured for just being gay? That view is 3,000 years old also and still endorsed by some theologians. The church once endorsed slavery---actually had slaves. Why the change? I agree that Dolan sees himself as a pope as you do.

I am fairly familiar with

I am fairly familiar with what CWG refers to as the "Hebrew Scriptures". In it, I have come across some pretty unusual marital/family arrangements (from a modern Christian point of view). Remember Abraham's family, as just one example? But even today,in many religions/cults/whatever, marriage/family is not an arrangement having to do with just one man and one woman. My friend from Ghana has two moms and one dad; he tells me that this is normal, has been like that for ages. I could go on. So, when some hierarch keeps telling us that marriage/family (as he defines it, the catholic way), has been like that for thousands of years, even from the very beginning, I just shrug my shoulders.
Like everything else, marriage and the family have been evolving throughout the ages, and they keep evolving, even today. Nothing is carved in stone yet, in spite of what some bishop tells us, what some bishop would like us to believe.

Apostolic Penitentiary? Is

Apostolic Penitentiary?

Is that the place in the Vatican where the hierarchy is locked up for bad behavior and allowed to live in the lap of luxury like Bernard Law?

The papacy continues to thwart the movement of the Holy Spirit with another cadre of "yes men" to B16s ideology. Where are those who really live out what Jesus taught, love one another as God loves?

All these celibates are concerned about is circling their wagons, advancing their careers, wearing the finest in imperial garments in the Magic Kingdom, and protecting each other backsides.

The hierarchy has no concern for the rest of God's people, other than demanding obedience to them, throwing money at their feet, controlling what they are to know and think about to be considered a member of the church.

So, Weber, it appears you

So, Weber, it appears you know the intentions of the Holy Spirit better than the Pope might?

Oh, I forgot. Now that B16

Oh, I forgot. Now that B16 is tech-savvy, he tweets with the HS on a regular basis to know what is up - right?

Let's deal with facts and not with wishful fantasies, OK?

Blessings for our new

Blessings for our new cardinal;.....as i reflected in my Dec.23,2011 comment
about John Allen's book "A People of Hope:..Dolan in Conversation with
John Allen"......i had changed my concerns about Dolan after i encountered
a 'stranger' in the street....he was in high school and seminary with Dolan
and remains a friend...this unusual meeting with this 'stranger'...in the
streets...gave me insights and respect for Dolan. ...with such friends from
the streets of our sometimes messey human church so shot full with
Mystery's grace and presence and patience with us trying to live this
grace so given us...Dolan will do great things for our human attempts to
be Church as struggling lovers of Jesus....dncrowley

When a person, male, of

When a person, male, of course, is installed as a cardinal, he must agree never to reveal any thing which might cause scandal to the Church. Just think of the mischief this can and has caused.

Utter nonsense!

Utter nonsense!

John, You characterized the

John, You characterized the group of those appointed by the Pope to be cardinals as "Mostly, it’s a crop of technocrats." Just what the Church needs--technocrats! What happened to the Pope's "vaunted" priority of "new evangelization?

Maybe "apparatchiks" not

Maybe "apparatchiks" not technocrats. Well, maybe a slew of more and new Italians will clean up the pedophile priest mess, but I doubt it. My money is not going to the Vatican if I can help it.

and in the lives of most

and in the lives of most ordinary Catholics, this is business as usual and has not one iota of importance.

This has great importance,

This has great importance, for out of these same men will come a new pope if one is needed in the near future.

If one is needed in the

If one is needed in the future! We need a new one NOW! One that takes the job seriously, that is.

Watching the major TV

Watching the major TV Networks this morning, it appeared the commentators were truly genuinely excited for Cardinal-elect Dolan. He is a natural and was relaxed, funny, honest and witty. Congratulations to our two New Yorkers on their elevation.

Oh yes, those jolly sexist

Oh yes, those jolly sexist homophobes are a regular laff riot!

Rocco Palmo (Whispers) said

Rocco Palmo (Whispers) said about the Today show interview, " . . . in a cassock, no less."

In a cassock, PLEASE less. Thank God at least the Church 86's watered silk . . . .

I'm aghast -- no women in the

I'm aghast -- no women in the group?

Oh, I forgot -- this is the Roman Catholic Church.

no blacks either

no blacks either

Thanks for the laugh, C

Thanks for the laugh, C Lewis.

Of course not. Women are not

Of course not. Women are not called to the vocation of the priesthood of Jesus Christ; only men are called. Though in the past there were "lay cardinals", that trend, like that of the Cardinal-Nephew, is a relic of the past. Today cardinals must be at least priests, since the Church is prohibited from ordaining women to the priesthood by the clear example of Our Lord Himself, there is obviously no way that women can be created cardinals.

Are you aghast at the simple fact of gravity? Neither should you be at the simple fact of the male College of Cardinals.

It is a matter of custom

It is a matter of custom rather than of theological necessity, that all cardinals are bishops. In theory, a woman could be a cardinal and participate in the voting for a pope. Now wouldn't that be a leap ahead!

The process of electing a pope is itself a matter of custom---it is not theologically prescribed. Apparently the first few popes were nominated in the wills of their predecessors. Later, the priests and bishops of Rome chose the pope, and the people of Rome had a say in the process.

What might be the

What might be the significance of the inclusion of the Jesuit Fr Karl Becker with regard to the interpretation of "subsistit in?"

So, it's mostly about

So, it's mostly about politics, even in God's church....

Of course, it is only

Of course, it is only Vatican. not the mystical body of Christ: the Church

Why was Cardinal Dolan

Why was Cardinal Dolan selected to be President of the US Congress of Bishops over the heir apparent, Bishop Kicanas, the standing Vice President of the Council of Bishops?

While I don't know for sure,

While I don't know for sure, I can offer some speculation. Sadly, Bishop Kicanas does not have a solid record of orthodoxy, Cardinal-Designate Dolan does. His Eminence is also a "people person", someone who is gregarious and charming and presents a very positive face of the Church in the United States. Moreover, he is apparently popular in the Conference and has the confidence and support of some important figures nationally (Cardinals Egan and Rigali, for example) and internationally (the Holy Father himself).

Finally, it would seem that the USCCB has had enough of the late Cardinal Bernardin's Boys, Bishop Kicanas is one of them, and their domination of the Church in the United States during Bernardin's days as Archbishop of Chicago. Those days, happily, are over and it is apparent that the Church in the United States is moving on.

but it is moving on to what-

but it is moving on to what- mor child abuse, more cover up, more abuse of women, more, more more?

Kicanis is competent, and

Kicanis is competent, and prophetic, while Dolan fast tracked . . .

Unfortunately some of those

Unfortunately some of those who have commented are very angry people. Sounds like the culture of hate and contentiousness in the US. Certainly these men, and the Church, are imperfect but can't we for once just say congratulations and God bless without all the vitrol?

I don't come to this site to

I don't come to this site to help the corrupt catholic church and its cardinals flourish. I come here to find out how much damage these leaders have done to the church lately. The latest crop are worse than the last. But of course they have Joseph Ratzinger as their mentor.

We need a new Babylonian

We need a new Babylonian captivity for the papacy, the removal of the pope from Rome to another city, somewhere in South America or Africa.

LOL! John, yes, that's what

LOL! John, yes, that's what is needed. However, the pope is not as important as he would like to be. It's much easier for frustrated Catholics to just walk away from this hopeless mess.

As for Dolan, he puts up a great jolly facade as a "listener," but don't let that fool anyone. He's one of the "Boy's Club" and never budges on a thing!

As the Catholic population grows in Africa and South America, it would be interesting to look into the future as this papal system desperately tries to hang on to it's dwindling Western European roots. Who will be funding their fancy robes and palaces?

Whose version of Catholic

Whose version of Catholic identity are these men defending? How little you know the men of whom you speak...Thomas Collins is not an evangelist...nor has he ever been known for his "openness and commitment to dialogue". His previous appointments have been characterized by his lack of pastoral sensibilities,love of clericalism, and abhorrence of a thinking, articulate laity. Women, in particular, seem a thorn in his side. He will do very, very well in Rome.

Nothing new here; I've heard

Nothing new here; I've heard it several times before.

Well said!

Well said!

When he gets his new "red

When he gets his new "red hat", I wonder if Dolan will have a little more respect for it and keep the sacred vestment on his own head for a change.

I'm curious - what exactly is

I'm curious - what exactly is "sacred" about a red hat? If that is the case, there are a large number of women in the US who are wearing sacred hats in their social gatherings on a regular basis!

http://www.redhatsocietystore.com/?gclid=CLyu8P7HvK0CFQR5hwodVwOn_g

Of course, that's a close as any of them will EVER get to being Holy Roman Grand Poobahs!

The news out of Rome today

The news out of Rome today about new cardinals and John Allen's astute analysis of the situation indicates to me more of the same-old same old at the Vatican.

With the church growing rapidly in the southern hemisphere, Africa and South America, how could B16 not choose cardinals from there. (B16 named one from Brazil, but he is already an indentured lackey in the Curia so he does not count.)

What is so magical or mystical about 120 cardinal-electors? Why not have 5000 electors; wasn't that the number who were fed during the multiplication of the loaves and fishes? Have 120 cardinals and 4,880 lay people.

We could pick the lay people during the Year of Faith.

One could not be happier than

One could not be happier than to see the great Archbishop of New York added to the red hat brigade. And how wondereful that he quotes JFK! (Take Note Chaput). Tim is truly and excellent bishop and soon to be Cardinal.

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