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An embarrassing campaign gone awry
I have to cringe every time I read the latest front page headline or see the TV update on the biggest Catholic story of 2012 -- the U.S. bishops' struggle for "religious freedom." However, it turns out, whether the hierarchy wins the day, the Obama administration triumphs or there's a satisfactory compromise, this roiling controversy is an embarrassment.
Why, people wonder, would the bishops spend what little public relations capital they have at this point in history by battling against contraceptive coverage in insurance plans for employees of church-related organizations? It's like this is the fight they've been hungering for, like the Armageddon clash between absolute good and absolute evil, as if the very essence of Catholicism is on the line and our backs are up against the wall.
And just when curious observers begin to think there may be something substantial here, they are struck by a confusing piece of information: Virtually every report on the dispute notes that on the critical issue of artificial contraception, the overwhelming majority of Catholics support it and are therefore at odds with the bishops on the subject, and have been for more than 40 years. Polls have consistently shown that, depending how the question is asked, between 85 to 98 percent of Catholics do not regard contraception as inherently evil.
So even if you concur that the religious freedom of the bishops is a valid concern, you have to ask why they would fight for their cause by laying enormous weight on a campaign to limit the availability of contraception. Do they really believe a great mass of Catholic voters are prepared to mount the ramparts in defense of a cause they don't support if the Obama administration does not yield?
There is, of course, a reason why this sort of thing happens. An institution that is closed at the top makes decisions entirely through the deliberation of a carefully selected, all-male elite and feels no obligation to consult the voice of the church body is almost guaranteed to engage in foolhardy campaigns and come up with misguided strategies. Generally when this does occur, only Catholics are aware because the subject doesn't affect non-Catholics, much less get into the middle of a national political campaign. But this one does. Everyone can enter the debate while puzzling over the fractured church we have.
For most Catholics, I think, it is indeed an embarrassment.





Whoever wins the next
Whoever wins the next Presidential election may well appoint three Supreme Court justices. Ruth Bader Ginsburg has known health problems and Antonin Scalia is over 80. If President Obama should appoint replacements for both, there will be no more than three votes to overturn Roe v. Wade and there won't be for at least 20 more years. The Bishops know this. They also know that everyone for whom this is a "voting issue" has already decided to either vote for President Obama or for whoever the Republicans nominate. There's no "wedge issue" there. They also know that every American supports "religious liberty." Thus, if the Bishops can somehow convince "social justice Catholics," like the readership of the NCR, that President Obama opposes "religious liberty," then he'll lose the "social justice Catholics" and the election. Fortunately, the "social justice Catholics" have now seen through this transparently cynical ploy and aren't "buying" what the Bishops are "selling."
Insightful point, but there's
Insightful point, but there's a more sinister reason.
They want to distract Catholics from
- the child rape scandal update, which include big meetings in Rome (that they want to keep quiet)
- the Vatican financial scandal
- 8,000 new cases of Catholic priests child rape that have come forward in Archbishop Dolan's old diocese of Milwaukee
All of these make the Catholic church look (justifiably) bad, so anything they can do to make people look the other way helps.
They also forget (or don't care) that younger people get their info from the Internet and not from the pulpit.
This issue was never about religious liberty. Its about paying for things you don't want to pay for because the country says you have to.
The rest of us do this every day if we pay for a war we didn't want, or welfare we don't want to pay, or congressmen we don't want to pay, but we have a democracy, and we can't always get what we want.
No one told Catholics that they have to administer birth control. They just have to pay for the insurance to allow employees liberty to exercise American freedom.
Agreed, I have friends who
Agreed, I have friends who say we should be terrified of the take over of the country by Catholics. She heard some guy on a Catholic station say we need a benevolent dictator to keep this country in line...She should be scared with that kind of talk!
With Catholics like Newt and
With Catholics like Newt and Rick and those on the SCOTUS, your friend has very good reason to be scared and scared spitless. We all should be so scared.
I would vote for an atheist in a New York minute before I would vote for what passes for political Catholicism these days.
I agree totally Robert. More
I agree totally Robert. More inconsistencies in the Church for the world to see. It is an embarrassment.
As we have learned over the last 20 years...very little in the Church is as it appears on the surface.
Good post, Bob. Anthroplogy,
Good post, Bob. Anthroplogy, as well as human experience, shows that from day one whenever a culture is dying or in danger those with a stake in it find a scapegoat. Jesus meant to end scapegoating once and for all by being the willing victim of scapegoating to show what love is and can do for all of us. G.K. Chesterton said, "Christianity hasn't been tried and found wanting. It hasn't even been tried."
Agreed. Absolutely agreed.
Agreed. Absolutely agreed.
Its not just contraception
Its not just contraception though.....it includes the morning after pill, so the issue is abortion as well. Additionally, Obama has, unless Archbishop Chaput is very mistaken, has revoked grants to the USCCB since the USCCB refuses to refer rape victims to abortion clinics.
So the specific issues are both abortion and contraception. The general issue is whether the government can force an institution or faith to do something that it finds abhorrent. Put even more generally, the question is whether the government embodies a "general will" that trumps every individual conscience. This is no embarrassment. This is about preventing elective totalitarianism.
Ah, but does the Catholic
Ah, but does the Catholic church have the right to "trump" the individual conscience of those who work for them?
How can democracy, freedom, and equality work if a religious employer, operating in the public sphere, hiring both those who are of that faith and those who are not, receiving public funds - how can that religious employer be legally empowered to force people to live by a faith tenet with which they do not agree? Wouldn't such legal empowerment actually "establish" that religion, at least in providing that that religion had the power to force and enforce its beliefs on citizens?
Religious freedom for you is not the right to coerce someone else to live by the dictates of your conscience.
This is true, but the
This is true, but the Catholic Bishops do not make any distinction between the two - they equate contraception with abortion, and that is where the problem comes in. The institutional Church has itself backed into a corner on the contraception issue, starting 40 years ago when Paul VI created this mess, and there is virtually no support for it among the laity, religious and most priests as well as Christians of other denominations. Abortion is, however, a more united theme among most all groups. So once again, we see the leaders of our Church stumble and make such obvious errors in pressing a case. I have the sense that they are deperately looking to find some way of re-establishing their moral position of authority, yet fail to realize they are still - and will continue to - having to pay the overbearing price of the sex abuse scandal.And more to your point, one can change the word "government" with "Church" and ask if it (Church) can impose its will on an entire society, most of whom do not share the same belief/value?
"Do they really believe a
"Do they really believe a great mass of Catholic voters are prepared to mount the ramparts in defense of a cause they don't support if the Obama administration does not yield?"
Yes, in fact they do really believe this. The few weeks of good press before the compromise only reinforced this delusion, even while polls continued to show otherwise. What many others on this site have said will ultimately be the central question of this entire fiasco - what exactly do you mean by "the Church?" For the bishops it means only themselves, and they foolishly believe the laity are going to follow them and unite as never before. But the only outcome will be the complete and total loss of any remaining shred of credibility for the church hierarchy, and a laity even more estranged from the prelates.
Mr. McClory, I, too, am
Mr. McClory, I, too, am embarrassed by the conduct of the bishops in this
matter. In fact, I just sent another message acknowledging it. This is
surely not a time I want to publicly claim my Catholicity.
The embarrassment could
The embarrassment could continue the next time a member of the laity or an elected Catholic official publicly asserts, reflecting the bishops' own thoughts, exact words, and energies, rights to primacy of conscience and freedom without retribution. As you note, more than the Catholic laity and religious press now will be waiting to report on and evaluate perceived consistency. If a bishop says, "Your conscience must be subservient to what we say is best for the collective, so get in line or else," he will be noted as sounding just like the my-law-trumps-your-conscience-Obama he blasted. I can see the secular editorials now: "Apparently when it comes to primacy of conscience and religious freedom, one CAN be a cafeteria Catholic. Or so says Bishop X..." And the "h word" (hypocrisy) will be assigned over and over. I could be wrong.
This has become a strawman
This has become a strawman concern about the free exercise of religion aka First Amendment Rights. It appears that the uber-Catholic phalanx seems to what that anyone who claims the free exercise of their religion (dogma? personal theology? divine revelation? peep stones?) can therefore discriminate by anything, i.e., class, gender, race, sexual orientation, age, marital status, etc. so long as it fits their definition of "free exercise."
Ask the LDS how they were able to practice polygamy under the “free exercise” clause.
Ask Christian Scientists who want to withhold medical care from their minor children.
Ask anyone who is not a member of the Native American Church if (s)he can use peyote in the “free exercise” of his/her religion.
Ask anyone who is not a member of a religious group that expouses conscientious objection, but does so personally, if they can claim that status as part of their “free exercise” without one heck of a hassle that they will most likely lose.
Ask parents who want to have a free hand in any kind corporal punishment of their children that happens to be in violation of various laws about the “free exercise” of their religious beliefs.
Ask someone who takes the Hebrew Scriptures to heart and wants to own slaves about “free exercise.”
I'm waiting for some of the nutcases who, when the alleged violation of First Amendment Rights becomes a fait accompli, start to trumpet their need for Second Amendment Remedies. And don't think that it won't happen within uber-Catholic ranks.
I noticed you confined your
I noticed you confined your remarks to the RC Bishops. Missing from your comments are the Orthodox Bishops of North and Central America, the Reformed Theological Seminary (one of the largest Protestant seminaries in the U.S.),the Southern Baptist Convention, the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, The Colson Center for Christian Worldview, the National Association of Evangelicals, the Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, and the InterVarsity Christian Fellowship/USA (which does not agree with the Church's position on contraception but opposes the HHS mandate). So when you consider the totallity of the group opposing this mandate, perhaps you might want to re-think your last paragraph, since you can hardly apply your spite to many of the groups listed above.
STAY OUT OF JAIL CARD ....
STAY OUT OF JAIL CARD .... Thanks, Bob, for calling a spade a spade.
The bishops appear terrified about another four years of an aggressive Obama Justice Department that has already stepped up prosecutorial pressure on pedophile predators. This pressure includes the Federal prosecution of the pedophile priest involved in the separate case with Cardinal Rigali's protege and Opus Dei member, Kansas City's Bishop Finn. Cardinal Dolan is also a St. Louis protege of Rigali. Cardinal Rigali himself is yet at risk of criminal indictment in Philly, as the case of his former aide, Msgr. Lynn, moves ahead in a few weeks to a criminal trial. Rigali is a long time curial power, still sits on key committees with Cardinal Law and surely has the pope's ear.
The "anti-contraception crusade" is, in reality, a ploy to replace Obama with a friendler Republican as US prosecutor. Cynical, perhaps. But after representing senior executives in multinational corporation for many decades after graduating from Harvard Law, I think this crusade is mainly a criminal defense ploy to protect bishops from Federal criminal "prosecution", not Federal religious "persecution" .
Bishops behave much like the wealthy corporate executives who fund the bishops' right wing fronts. Once the possibility of criminal prosecution arises, they cannot focus on much else. Given the pope and bishops' shameful handling of the priest child sexual abuse scandal, this is quite understandable, even if deplorable.
For more evidence of the pope's ploy to protect bishops from criminal prosecution with this contraceptive Trojan Horse strategy, please note the three comments, "Founding Fathers' Shock", "Obama Dream Comes True" and "No Deal Ever. Obama", all readily accessible by clicking on at:
http://ncronline.org/news/politics/bishops-studying-revised-contraceptio...
The effect of this poosition
The effect of this poosition by the bishops is an attempt to impose their will on anyone that disagrees with them. They have not been successful in the past 43 years (I believe casti connubii was written in 1968) in convincing the catholic faithful and they are now trying to get the government to do it for them. Is their conscience well-formed?
It is not contraception that
It is not contraception that is the issue. It is the control with which Mr. Obama wants over as many people as possible. Will the next thing the Administration dictates tell religious leaders of any denomination that they cannot preach against the abomination of homosexual behaviour, OR, as in Europe, preachers cannot criticize secular humanism? Will Mr. Obama now require Jews and Muslims to eat pork?
When this gets jammed down our throats, religious institutions will not offer insurance anymore. The Gov't will take over, and will be one more thing Big Sis will provide for us, and it dare not take it away from us. Look at the debacle of Social Security, Medicare, Welfare and every other entitlement taking 60 - 65% of the total budget. Say hello to Greece, Western Hemisphere style.
Healthcare it not a right, by any stretch of the imagination. We citizens may choose to purchase or decline to purchase what we want. Why doesn't the President look to the Second Amendment and require all to purchase firearms? He is totally disregarding the First Amendment.
Our Church is not a democracy, never has been, but was commissioned by Christ Himself, with leaders inspired by the Holy Spirit to guide the flock to Christ. Yes, there are many bad seeds in leadership, but that does not change the message and the mission of Holy Mother Church. The bishops are required to protect the flock, and even if for many years they have neglected that primary duty, it is a duty nonetheless. We laity should demand that they proceed along this line forward, and man up to their obligations. We are probably not used to it.
I will disobey this government when it does not follow the law, which is our Constitution. It limits the powers of the Federal Government, and reverts it back to the States and to the People.
This is a load of rubbish -
This is a load of rubbish - ill informed, based on at best personal opinion, and shows a lack of knowing the real facts.
Please tell me the facts.
Please tell me the facts.
Dromig your first
Dromig your first 'misunderstanding' is that the Obama administration is not forcing any one to take birth control. Your second misunderstanding is that we already are forced to pay for firearms, and air craft carriers, and nuclear weapons. So much for the second amendment argument. Your third misunderstanding is that Jesus left the Holy Spirit to guide the entire church, not just the hierarchy. When Jesus gave Peter the ability to loose and bind, Jesus never guaranteed what Peter or his successors loosed or bound would be absolutely and totally correct. Just because the state gives me the power to drive and park a car doesn't mean I will use that power absolutely and totally correct.
I never claimed Mr. Obama was
I never claimed Mr. Obama was forcing anyone to use contraception. Don't change the argument. The right to purchase contraceptives is allowed by all the states. He is redefining it as a "right" that must be given "free" to anyone who wants it. But, this argument is not about birth control. It is about control by the state to dictate to each of its citizens how it wants us to conduct our lives. By mandating that any religious organization forego its tenets or risk the penalties, it will starve them out of the marketplace so that the state will fill the void. Just like the "death panels" enumerated in the Obamacare bill, what the state has the power to give it also has the power to take away. The Church is not asking that contraceptives be made illegal.
The Constitution of the United States calls for the general welfare AND common defense of the country. The general welfare relates to unimpeded travel between the states, such as the commerce clause. It refers to the establishment of civil authorities and court systems to keep order. It does NOT refer to "particular" welfare. It won't guarentee that I won't be killed, robbed, assaulted or any myriad of other social maladies which may befall me.
The establishment of the Armed Forces is not to be confused with the right to keep and bear arms. It is to ensure the sovereignty of this nation, just as all other nations are legitimate sovereign states.
The Second Amendment is for the population to defend itself from the illegitimate tendencies of authorities to subdue its citizens, as well as to defend against the criminal. It was not establish just for hunters and sportsmen as our Dear Leader wishes it were. As I said earlier, the general welfare clause will not protect me in the immediate, but give me redress after the fact.
With regard to Church Authority, not everything the Pope does is infallible. It is in matters of faith and morals that the Pope, either unilaterally or with the bishops in UNION with him, that he speaks authoritatively.
The state does not give you the power to drive. It is a privilege bestowed on those who show competence to handle a vehicle. The state may suspend or revoke that privilege if they deem the competence has been impaired. The general welfare clause kicks in if you hurt, maim or kill with your vehicle. It is an impossibility for the government to guarentee our safety and happiness. It never has and it never will. Mr. Obama thinks we will be gullible and believe him this time.
Thanks Bob for a clear and
Thanks Bob for a clear and sane piece. I am sure you will find much agreement.
I would add a point which pains me personally. A requirement for any teaching
of the church is that it be accepted by the church membership. It is patently clear that Humanae Vitae is a canonically rejected teaching. Yet, our bishops and cardinals want to pretend that we have not spoken on this matter and this too is an embarrassment. I mean this is part of our regulations from the top. I guess we can be simply ignored because they do
not actually believe the people of God have any real voice. My prayer is that the bishops get what they want and it turns out to be not at all what they expected.
God Bless.
TomC
Dear Tom C, Yes, they are
Dear Tom C,
Yes, they are pretending and that is infuriating. Also there is a 'hierarchy of truths' in the Catholic faith. That's in the Decree on Ecumenism, which many appear not to have read. You would think that our Roman Catholic faith revolves around matters of human sexuality and the regulation of marriage. It behooves us to imagine, how in the future the faithful might have a "real voice."
Tom, the truth on birth
Tom, the truth on birth control has been accepted for over 2,000 years, and has been by even the protestants until the mid 1950s. And there are still many authentic Catholics who embrace the teaching! The federal government should stay out of the Church and has no business in forcing the Church to do anything. That is what freedom of religion is all about. It is not a personal freedom issue because persons have been "free" to buy and use contraception for some time. No one is restricted in that manner.
Let's unmask this evil for what it is...eugenics and government control of our life in the bedroom. Why should we allow the government to play God? The more money that is spent on birth control means the less money that will be spent on health care. Plus, no one wants to talk about the link between the pill and breast cancer. If anyone is truly concerned about women perhaps the pill is not the answer? If anyone is concerned about the poor in third world countries perahps FORCING them to accept abortion, sterilization, and contraception as a condition for assistance is not true charity is it?
Again, the majority of
Again, the majority of Catholics may support contraception, but that isn't what's being defended here is it? The battle is over the right of the Church to uphold what it believes to be morally wrong and not be told by a renegade President who wants to impose his will. The Bishops are standing on principle and the President is standing on ideology. You may think it's an embarrassment but many of us feel it is a fight worth having.
Andrew K
Religious freedom is also the
Religious freedom is also the right to live without being forced to abide by a faith one does NOT choose.
The only way religious freedom can exist in a society composed of people of many faiths, is if that freedom resides with the individual. In a society in which many religions are recognized, society must start with a willingness to respect the right of each individual to live according to his or her personal conscience. First and foremost each person must be protected from having a religious belief imposed.
And that is what is being asked by the Catholic bishops in their erroneously named version of "religious freedom". The right to require that the tens of thousands they employ in hospitals and universities be required to live by Catholic teachings, regardless of their own beliefs. They want the legal right, the power of government, to allow their faith teachings to be imposed on others.
There has to be a balance between respecting and protecting the rights of individuals and the rights of a religious groups to live by their own faith. The HHS regulations are the closest we can come to that compromise. The regulations protect a core group of religious who can reasonably be assumed to agree on the teachings of that faith. The regulations do not - cannot - extend that same assumption to the broader groups who work at Catholic hospitals or universities.
This is not "a renegade
This is not "a renegade president trying to impose his will." Insurance coverage for contraception has been written into state laws for at least a decade. Where were the bishops when President Bush presided over the country? New York has had this in place since 2001. And now the bishops are shocked, shocked, that this is the law? Please.
You're wrong. I am employed
You're wrong. I am employed by a Catholic hospital and none of these services were covered in my health plan before the HHS mandate. They may have existed but my employer had the right to refuse them on moral grounds. That is a fact and you can research it. Up until the HHS Mandate on 1/20/12 no employer was ever forced to pay for something they felt was objectionable. This president changed all that when he required preventive services be covered.
What are you talking about!
What are you talking about! "The only way religious freedom can exist in a society composed of people of many faiths, is if that freedom resides with the individual." Yeah, if you happen to have an agenda that conflicts with someone elses conscience, then we should all just shut up and roll over, right! Well it doesn't work that way ATF. What are you going to do when some future president says the law now permits a couple only to have one child and it must be a boy, all girls will be destroyed upon birth. Does that then become over-reaching? Do you think we are not slowly getting to that point? Are you going to say, Oh well, that's ok, it is only one individual's belief. I think your logic is screwed up.
Andrew K
It is odd, isn't it, how two
It is odd, isn't it, how two people can see the same thing exactly oppositely?
I really do believe the president is standing on the principle of individual liberty and rights and the bishops are standing on an ideology that has been soundly rejected by those they claim to lead.
As the president of a country that believes in individual freedom, Obama did exactly what he needed to do. As leaders of a hierarchial, monolithic faith whose fallable human leaders claim infallibility, I guess the bishops only did what they had to.
It is long since past time for the Church to deal with the issue of contraceptives. There is a truth that can be spoken by the laity, but it will take the courage of members of the clergy to break ranks with the imposed silence on the subject. We really have no one who is willing to listen or has the courage to until that happens.
"The battle is over the right
"The battle is over the right of the Church to uphold what it believes to be morally wrong"
I think you might want to reword that, Andrew.
I was out to eat with a dear
I was out to eat with a dear friend of mine recently who said to me "My husband and I were raised Catholic, but I realized that our interests were coming from a different place when I was of child bearing years". " In the 1950's I was having too many children, I was told to talk to my priest, he told my husband and I to keep having more that sex was a nescessary evil, and to encourage their children later on to join religious life to take away the taint of our fornication". She continued with saying "what a crock. Why should we have gone in to bankruptcy just to tell our kids to not have a sexual life and to become a priest or nun so they wouldn't have the sex". And there we have it, the nub of the question. Doris and her husband went on to have have 12 kids, because she said they enjoyed sex but that whole concept of the rythm method was bull pucky in their life. And if birth control had worked better at that time she certainly would have purchased it. She said they started to wonder if priests could be fallible in that aspect of life what else were they/or the church also fallible in?
The fight the Bishops are
The fight the Bishops are engaged in is similar to arguments about the validity of baseball’s Designated Hitter Rule. It is long past to be doing this.
Obama did the Bishops a favor by taking this off the front page. The Bishops would be in pickle if they were blamed if women did not access to birth control.
I am in a minority here, but
I am in a minority here, but I am proud of the Bishops for standing up for their religious principles. I don't agree with the Church's stance on Artificial Birth Control, and think Humane Vitae was a mistake.
But there is a more important stake here, and it has to do with the trampling of the Constitution's checks and balances with President Obama exceeding his Executive Powers; the trampling of the First Amendment, by showing that Separation of Church and State is a one way door only in this administration; and the decision that a woman's right to FREE birth control (not access to birth control, that is not the issue) is more important than religious freedom.
As an American I am embarrassed by this President of the United States.
So, what else have you
So, what else have you identified as the president's "trampling" of the Constitution? Social Security? The FDIC to protect our money in banks? The EPA to protect our water, air and land? The NRC for the safe handling of nuclear material? Did you object to Bush's foolish "No Child Left Behind" mandate interference in state's educational systems? You make a statement for which there is no foundation - President Obama hasn't trampled anyone's rights, indeed, not like Bush/Cheney did! And from the other side, it seems to many that it is the Bishops who are trampling over the separation of Church and State, by inserting themselves into public issues - including elections in the country - in ways unprecedented in the past. I think it is unfortunate for anyone to be embarrassed by the President, particularly when there is so much to be proud of. But that's election campaign stuff. In this issue, I believe you've got the facts twisted around, Wardog00.
I am 77 and for my entire
I am 77 and for my entire life as a Catholic I have listened to those of my faith or those who have left it seize on any excuse to denigrate the hierarchy. Birth control is not the issue. Coming soon is that Catholic hospitals must perform abortions which even many people of other faiths find abhorrent. This shallow and self absorbed president is a man of his time which why the comments above show that you are also of your time. So the church took a stand on birth control which was not wise. In 2000 years they have taken other positions which were not wise. To crow about the bishops getting what they had coming to them seems to me to missing the point. There is a constitutional issue here which has sheltered all faiths in this country and is one of the wisest decisions a young country ever made.Clearly you could not care less about that but are far happier to see the bishops struggling to deal with what they and I know what is coming which is aborting defective babies (too expensive to care for) euthanizing feeble and ill old people (to expensive to care for) and in the end when you are pleading for that state of the art cancer drug you will be told it is too expensive as well. While you are obsessed with a woman's free choice you are forgetting you will lose yours as well.
I now understand the derision
I now understand the derision that normal Mass attendees have for NCR. Previously I thought it was ignorance. Unsurprisingly, I've been proven wrong. I see clearly that NCR and the majority of its readers "know the price of everything and the value of nothing."
Shame on you for being dismissive of our God ordained leadership. Has obedience and humility been lost by so called "social justice" Catholics? Or should you be called "I can do anything I want as long as I'm a good, enlightened liberal" Catholic?
Shame on you for taking the authority to speak in the name of Jesus upon yourselves and decide what is and is not right. learn your faith, learn humility, and learn that when you disagree with something, you may be wrong.
Sorry, RSM, it's not working.
Sorry, RSM, it's not working. I am a "normal" weekly attending Mass goer, mother and grandmother. This hijacking by the bishops of the rights of people to have access to the means of controlling the size of their families is despicable. It is not about religious liberty. They not only want to prevent their adherents from access to birth control, they want to prohibit others outside their church from getting cheap and reliable methods to plan their families.
The Church is NOT asking that
The Church is NOT asking that birth control be made illegal. Keep being fed by the lame stream media - ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, PMSNBC, the NY Slimes, the Washington Compost, the Atlanta Urinal Constipation, and a plethora of other numbnuts.
If you want contraception - GO BUY IT YOURSELF.
Please show me where the Church says it wishes to ban contraceptives.
After such a lesson in
After such a lesson in humility, I feel real humble: That legend about free will must be indeed a legend.
The Bishops don't speak for
The Bishops don't speak for women. The Bishops are a closed society of unmarried men. They don't speak for women. They don't speak for Catholic women. I hope this is a much needed wake-up call and reality check.
You are right anon, If they
You are right anon, If they don's also speak for women, how can they speak for the children?
Excellent question
Excellent question Mr.McClory. I would like to offer one theory. Way back when, the "romanesques" went to war with the "celtic". Commissioned by “emperor” Gregory , "general" Augustine of Canterbury and a small army of 41 monks, defeated the celtic church at Whitby and brought it to heel. Relevance? It completed the imposition of hierarchical order as the modus operandi in the western Christian (Roman Catholic) Church. Were the issues momentous? Well,maybe if you think that how monks shave their heads (tonsure)is significant and the date of Easter is absolute. The issue is not important, it is the institutional model.
It seems to me that the roman model held with a a theological certainty that the human race tends inexorably to chaos and evil and is led towards and held in order and holiness only under coercive authority. The authority is rationalized by delegation from Christ and the degree of authority required is proportionate to the power of chaos/evil. The power of evil is unfathomable, it is not simply original sin but the personification of evil himself. Thus the authority of church must be infallible and absolute.
Politically, the dimensions of “evil” and “holiness” were practical christian additions to the emperial governance model of institutional dominion adopted from its roman mentor. It is the institution itself and its core of authority that have irreplacable value. All else is useful, ultimately fodder, always a threat. I offer a telling incongruity: non-existent children are precious but child-rapists and their facilitarors are protected, duh.
I doubt that the theology holds much credence within the core though its rhetoric is retained. Its practical residue of self-preservation and aggrandizement of privelige and power, in other words, the stereotype of institutionalism, have assumed dominance.
Any breach in the bulwark of absolutism is a threat to the entire fortress and simultaneously, like a fatal disease, liable to contaminate the whole. Any concession, regardless of significance, is a weakness that threatens both the concept and the reality of the entire model. It is as inexorable as the purity of logic.
When Card. Ratzinger, rationalized that the censure of Kung was justified because the ordinary catholic is a simple person and must be protected from the power of the intellectuls, he was, to my mind also saying the the ordinary catholic is dangerous when stirred by any dissenter. Even justice and mercy can be a threat and, contrary to Pope Benedict's contention, so can truth, when it does not conform to the institutitutional model and its self-preservation.
What was true in the sixth century is even “truer” today when “intellectuals” are under less control and when “the ordinary catholic” is better educated and when secular governements no longer “draw and quarter” either at the behest of the hierarchy.
a superbia episcoporum libera
a superbia episcoporum libera nos, Domine
ab arrogantia praelatium, libera nos, Domine
ab insolentia clericorum, libera nos, Domine
ab insidiis diaboli, libera nos Domine
ab omni malo, libera nos, Domine
The bishops long for the
The bishops long for the power they once had. They don't realize that it is gone through their own fault and not coming back. They are a delusional flock of old men who don't know anything about women because they have been trained to avoid them. They are part of the Religious Right and along with all the heirarchy up to the pope are driving Catholics out of the Church. The pope's and "orthodox" Catholics' dream of a "smaller, purer" Church is becoming a reality because of men who wish today was yesterday.
Amen, Amen, Amen. And as one
Amen, Amen, Amen. And as one who worked for 24 years for a diocese, I can say: most bishops are surrounded by sychophants. More charitably, bishops make decisions amidst people wired and socialized the way they are. They think in abstract terms, treasure detachment, worship the Church--abstractlym, of course. Few are willing to have a good argument or exchange of views for the sake of the Kingdom.
Robert Bly demonstrated why the boys' club model is fatally flawed, when he highlighted neurological gender differences. Women, he said, have a superhighway connecting left and right brain; men, however, have a raggedy path. In an age of incredibly rapid change, guess which kind of brain works better. So there you are: we're being led by a bunch of 'raggedy paths,' whose exposure to the superhighway brains of women is extraordinarily small and, I think, very uncomfortable. A Graymoor friar once told a group at the diocese: What the (Pope, Cardinals, bishops) need is to go home for dinner with their wives every night and share their thinking. From a woman who loves them, they need to hear, "Honey, don't do thaat. Think of something else."
Have you noticed how many of
Have you noticed how many of the respondents who oppose President Obama's decision always speak of the President in a derogatory, hateful manner. Can't we disagree with each other without being disagreeable?
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