Conservative Catholics question beatification of John Paul II

Anyone who is seriously considering the beatification of JPII should read "Through the glass darkly" the history of Latin America through the eyes of the the Maryknoll missioners who were there. According to their account JPII entered into a secret agreement with Pres. Reagan that in return for CIA support of Solidarity in Poland, He would turn a blind eye to the attrocities committed under U.S. funding and support against the indigenous peoples of Central America. Not exactly my idea of blessed!

They are doing the right thing but for many of the very wrong reasons.

Deo gratias!

this desecration, this false beatification, may serve to unify and strengthen our mightily abused yet ever Blessed Mother, the Church, made whore by worldly wojo, known here as "the prideful pole."

Blessed and truly venerable Monsenor Oscar Arnulfo ROmero, upon this anniversary of thy true martyrdom, pray for us, in company of all of our martyrs in El Salvador, known and unknown, counted and countless, Rutilio GRande, Maura CLarke, Reverend FAther Ellacuria, and all holy companions, in union, communion of saints, and collegiality, orate pro nobis

I read the entire Remnant article and was especially interested in the last paragraph quoted above. Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and all of the dementia categories remain a mystery to medical science although progress is being made. Obviously an autopsy of John Paul II's brain will not be allowed, but I tend to believe that he had early dementia and was ill-advised by Benedict regarding the abuse scandal, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum.

Far better to pray for the repose of the soul of John Paul 11 and pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in union with the Bishops all over the world as requested by Our Blessed Lady at Fatima in 1917.Many poor souls are being lost because of disobedience to our Holy Mother.

May God put a stop to this "beatification". John Paul II should be condemned, rather than beatified. At the mutliple Assisi "prayer meetings" that John Paul II was so proud of, he encouraged public mortal sins against the first Commandment (false worship) as a means of obtaining "world peace". God permits much evil in the world, but I truly wonder if He will not intervene to stop the "beatification". Time will tell...

I have seen and read about instances in JPII's personal behavior toward others was much less than saintly--rather, cold and disdainful.

AMEN!
I recently re-discovered Mathew Fox and and am re-reading the most recent edition of Original Blessing. Here is an interview he had on February 17, 2011, that appeared int the Italian Newspaper, Corriere della Sera. It's Mathew Fox at his best. Among other subjects he addresses is the canonization of JP2 and how he and B16 scuttled Vatican II and messed up the pedophile predator priest scandal.
http://www.matthewfox.org/index.php/2011/02/italian-newspaper-reviews-or...

I blundered into this site while checking the date of the late Pope John Paul II's beatification. I find it hard to believe that Catholic christians would conduct themselves in such a malvelolent and vitriolic manner. There is only one perfect man, Jesus Christ. Read the lives of the saints. Many had perfected the art of sinning. Three come to mind. St. Agustine, St. Francis of Assisi and St. Ignatius Loyloa are recorded as having lead very active lives in their youth.
St. Agustine was such a sinner that he "drove" his mother, St. Monica, into sainthood praying for him. There appears to be a lot of rash judgement goin' on! If you have true FAITH you know that what God wills will happen and what God does not will will not happen. My money is on the Venerable Pope Pius XII.

The diabolic disorientation, Sr. Lucia's phrase, will end when a pope and the Church's other bishops co-concecrate the world to Our Lady of Fatima's Immaculate Heart. To do that, they need to be brave enough to reject false ecumenism, its religious indifferentism, and the Vatican's Ostpolitik. I hope and pray that before or soon after that consecration, Vatican II's novelties, collegiality, false ecumenism, Ostpolitik, and so-called religious liberty will go away. After all, JPII's beatification would be a way to approve the evils the Vatican II has helped to cause.

JPII was the head of the church. If he did not "know" about the sexually abuse it was because he did not want to. There is no doubt that if this was a secular organization and JPII was the CEO, no one would buy that excuse. Read his biography, one of his first acts as Pope was to have a built in pool installed at the summer residence. He boasted about taking anonymous ski trips. He is hailed as the globe trotting pope. The only people he did not seem concerned about were the few Catholics left in the pews and certainly not the poor alter boys who paid the price. As the protestants say "What would Jesus do?" The answer is clearly none of this.

There are too many problems, question marks, at best, with the actions and silence, in some cases, of Karol Wojtila. The excuse for not canonizing Archbishop Sheen is that because he had so much written, TV, radio, books, and other works to investigate, to make certain there wasn't even one iota of anti-Catholic sentiment in anything, it would take a very long time.
Pope or peasant; the removal of The Devil's Advocate position has paved the way for sweeping anti-Catholic teaching and conduct unbecoming of a Pope under the rug, so that not only Vatican II itself can be, "rubber stamped" by his "Pontificate" -- but the many questionable actions of this man who was truly a modernist who spoke out of two side of his mouth to gain popularity and further ruin the Faith and almost 2,000 years of Teaching and Dogma. He is loved for being a "rock star" more than upholding the faith -- he changed more than he upheld. Even one question mark should be enough to hold up his Beatification. Rome has an agenda: his name is Wojtila.
God has Truth: his name is Jesus Christ.
Canonization does not make a saint; but it can lead the faithful down the wrong path if it is the representation of a person who has altered the faith in the minds and hearts of the clergy and the faithful.
Being a "Great Guy" on the 'hows-a-boy' level does not qualify for either a "Great" title or canonization. Pray for his soul and restoration of Holy Mother Church.

I remain convinced that the Vatican's rush to beatify John Paul II - and then probably proclaim him a saint quickly thereafter - is a product of Benedict's attempt to "re-Christianize" Europe. Poland being a great place to start. It is far more about that then it is about true sainthood. But, you know, John Paul II so trivialized that whole process by proclaiming saints as if they were Fords coming off the assembly line, it is no surprise that he would gain from his own devaluation of the matter.

Vitriolic and vicious comments still abound. I came back this week to follow the train of discussion. My goodness! Nay sayers have faith. The making of a saint in a very involved and serious process by numerous committees. It is not just one person saying, "She's a saint or he's a saint." The Pope does not "make" saints. He basicly announces the names of saints that have been researched and selected by others. Pope John Paul II may have encouraged the committees to work a little faster and meet more frequently. I ask, "Who of the saints selected after great study and raised to the altar during John Paul II's pontificate did not deserve sainthood?" Please, be specific in your condemnations. I repeat that some of our greatest saints were once some of our truly great sinners. There is only one perfect man, Jesus Christ. And in all honesty during Pope John Paul II's pontificate there were many fewer saints made than Ford vehicles.

The truth is that Vatican 2 has hoisted upon the world a new religion. Like when antipope Anacletus II reigned from Rome for 8 years until his death, or during the great western schism when all of the living cardinals followed after an antipope.

In Rome there is a counterfeit Church only pretending to be Catholic, or if you will, not the Immaculate Bride, but a Great Harlot.

LONG LIVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND THE CATHOLIC STATE!

DOWN WITH THE PUPPET POPES, AND THE PUPPET CARDINALS, AND THE PUPPET BISHOPS!

FOLLOW THE TRUTH PEOPLE!

http://www.youtube.com/user/400constantine?feature=mhum

I have been a practicing Roman Catholic since the first half of the last century. I was baptised in 1944. I was educated by the Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM) and the Redemptorists [1949 to 1958], the Capuchin Francisans [1958 to 1963], the Sister of St. Joseph [1960 to 1962], the Sisters of St. Francis [1963 to 1964], and the Jesuits at Creighton University [1963 to 1966]. I served mass in churches, chapels and jails. I lectored during the big change. I follow my religion closly and attempt to attend mass daily. Why have I not seen this hijacking of the Church, this schism. I see the occational young person who was not alive in the "olden" days lamenting for the return to the days of Latin when the congregation did not participate in the mass but was just "there" praying a rosary or reading a prayer book. Young persons who are refusing to observe standing or kneeling changes thinking that what they are doing is what was done in the "old, original and true" mass when in fact they are observing positions from the 70's. They seem to think that what was done in the 40's and 50's is the original mass when in fact what we do today is more like what the early christians did at mass. There were no pews or kneelers and a lot of standing. No communion rails, no communion cloth, etc. and volgate was the language. Then along came the educated aristocrats who fancied things up for hundreds of years. Vatican II returned the Church to the people. A few intolerant people are making up the story of the decline of the Church as they are going along and trying to judge and condemn those of us that choose to follow the true Chruch as heritics. If they could pull it off they would declare an American Inquisition and boil us in oil or burn us at the stake. I pray that they see the light.

I love John Paul II however if he truly taught Universal Salvation then that would make him a heretic! I won't rush to judgement so much study is still needed and I would hope the church would allow honest investigation before granting him a Saint. I say this with love and honesty. To much is riding on this! I hope and pray that God will intervene to protect his church.

Peace.

Better check this out:

http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Karol_Wojtyla_Beatified_.html

He's called by God, so what's the problem on his beatification? We must convinced our selves to believe that he is called to be holy a blessed as well!! We must unite our selves in this event as Catholics! God Has a Plan why he chose JPII

He's called by God, so what's the problem on his beatification? We must convinced our selves to believe that he is called to be holy a blessed as well!! We must unite our selves in this event as Catholics! God Has a Plan why he chose JPII

i dnt quite understand but, did God say that he should be a saint? did it appear to a dream or a connection to someone on which God said that 'POPE John paul 2 shall be declared a saint.' I'm sorry but many people are making me confused nd i just wna know whats right. For me, it is only God who has the power to make someone a saint. So i dont even think that people should even do this kind of thing. oh and feel free to reply i would love to hear your comments regarding on this subject C:

Shouldnt God be the one making someone a saint and not the humans? I dnt think anyone had ever recieved a call like a dream or connections from God to actually declare and tell the world that Pope John Paul 2 is now declared a saint, because if there might be, he should have already said it to the world. I only trust the Bible and believe in God itself and this is how I came up with these thoughts, I suddenly heard a news about his beatification and was quite confused, my reaction was like 'r they serious? only God can make you a saint only He has the power, and none of us humans have no authority to do that.' Feel free to reply, i would love to hear others' opinions

A reply to the questioner above:

The Church does not 'make' people saints in the sense you seem to think. To be 'canonised' means to have one's name inscribed in the canon, or list, of those whom the Church deems to have attained salvation. The Catholic Church merely recognises and 'remembers' those who God has welcomed into heaven in its public worship - just as you might remember a loved one who has passed away on their birthday, anniversary etc.

God alone admits people to heaven, the Church just celebrates the fact that they are there.

Richard LXVI: I appreciate your sentiment, but your evaluation of the Church's pre-Vatican II liturgy is nothing but a personal opinion, and a very inaccurate one from the perspective of many others. Both pre, and post-Vatican II liturgies are valid and God-centred. I prefer the Old Rite personally, but that does not have to be at the expense of the New Rite. Protestantism suffers greatly from its self-imposed 'either/or' dichotomy, let us please not fall into this trap of the 'Old Vs New' here.

Blessed Pope John Paul II, pray for us.

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