Beatification announcement for John Paul II expected soon

What's the rush?

I guess they want to push this through before more "stuff" surfaces.

I have very bad feelings about this beatification, I think they should wait. The whole pedofle scandal took place during his pontificate, and he refused to do anything about it. I simple cannot accept this as something done(or not done) by a saintly pope. I think he was hard headed and wouldn´t listen an as a result many children have suffered. I have lost a great deal of respect for him, whatever great things he might have done as a young priest I don´t see him as an example that Popes should follow therefore why the canonizatiion?.

Unfortunately as far as I am concerned I have very little devotion towards him,(actually none) and won´t in the future either. I´ve lost a lot of the sense of trust and admiration for the Vatican, don´t know if it will ever come back.Just trudge along here at the bottom of the stack with hope that I can follow in some way the path of Jesus, part of the Church, but not devotee of the leadership in the vatican. Why the hurry for canonization, Joan of Arc had to wait several hunred years! Why not wait until something has finally been clarified about the scandal and his part in it? Or are they afraid they´ll find something if they wait? They should have waited, too, for the founder of OPUS, also a real mistake. Thank God they stopped the idolization of Maciel in time before his death.....

If JPII is a saint I'd much rather be a sinner.

One more proof... if any were needed, that this hierarchy has ceased to listen to the Holy Spirit.

To hold this man up as an example of Christian living is a joke. It will be many, many years before we can get from under the harm he did to the church while he was in charge. I have no doubt the man is with God..... God is Love and all forgiving, but to say through beatification that his example should be followed, is just wrong-headed.

Well at least John Paul is reaping what he sowed:
A cannonization process that is a joke.

Sadly, it seems that there are specific priorities in being canonized - and they are not necessarily miracles - I would suggest the following priorities for those who look to be canonized: 1. Be a Pope; 2. Be a Bishop; 3. Be a Priest; 4. Be Male; 5. Found a Religious Communitiy; 6 - If you are female - be a Virgin; 7: Be politically correct - e.g. on the negative side of this one would be P. John XXIII, Archbishop Romero, Dorothy Day, etc., etc.; 8. have a lot of money and patience to support the normal process.
It seems that for many, the miracle does not necessarily come from the intercession of the person being prayed to - but to the faith of the individual doing the praying - as we see so often in the Gospel when Jesus says; your faith has saved you. The present process honors a person who refused to accept the harsh realities of Maciel and other sexual abusers and especially those bishops who enabled sex abusers to become serial abusers; consolidated power in Rome and ignored the Vatican II mandate for Collegiality, and strove to impose the voice of the Pope as the absolute voice and ruler. I fail to see the process as one that honors those who have gone before.

omg . . .
can I go any deeper into this desert?

Padre Ernesto Cardenal, ora pro nobis

Saint Ignacio Ellacuria, SJ, and holy companions, orate pro nobis

Saint John Paul the First and Foremost, so often called the Greater, ORA PRO NOBIS!

Sad to say, this will appear to be an endorsement of child abuse.

I've never been a fan of Pope John Paul II, but I guess we all hold our treasures in earthen vessels and I pray that his next miracle is one of healing our wounded church.

What's the rush? Why not wait a little longer for damage assessment? Could this be politically/ideologically motivated?

This is a big mistake in my book & I don't think that anyone on this forum would call me a liberal! Why the rush to judgment, for heaven's sake? There is way too much turmoil in the Church at the present time & this beatification will only stoke the flames! If he is truly a saint despite everything then he will still be a saint 200 years form now. Beatify him then!

John Paul II will never be a saint in my hagiography. He has done mor harm to the church in my day than anyone else even though B-16 is trying to outdo him. His backpedaling of Vatuican II settled it for me a long time ago.

His treatment of liberation theology and theologians, his refusal to consider changes in the clerical celibacy demands, his refusal to grant dispensations to priests who wish to leave honorably and be married in the church (as opposed to Psul VI) all thiese things would ilitate against sanctity were I to have the role of devil's advocate. But no one is asking me. Fiat.

He was great actor who knew how to use the media. Neither his kissing the tarmac or wagging a reproachful finger at Ernesto Cardinale were saintly gestures: one was play acting; the other, mean-spirited.

Sorry, John

He doesn't cut it with me.

No doubt that JPII was a holy man of God, but he contributed greatly to the destructive forces against the reforms of Vatican II. He used his personal piety to dash a growing and healthy spirituality within the church of the modern era. Unfortunately, the whole canonization process has become a political tool.

Let's let 100 or so years expire before declaring ANY pope to be a saint. By then the rose-colored euphoria of Santo Subito will be given a good hard dose of reality and history that will have better bearing on any pope's sainthood.

What's the rush? Afraid that the truth will hurt?

It baffles me that John XXIII was passed up for the honor and it is being given to JPII. Amazing!

A DISGRACEFUL RUSH job for Vatican politics. There is just no dignity to it. Special fast-rate process. The way all modern popes are being declared saints is a bit too much.

The rush to canonize popes so soon after their deaths is another scandal. When I was a student in Catholic schools in the 1940s & 1950s, we were told that great pains were taken in the canomization process to ensure the those declared to be saints really were "with God." Now it seems that the process is rushed to conclusion so quickly that no one can be sure it is really value. Our court cases take more time than beatification!

This is the man who gave the Legionnaires of Christ pontifical status and called Marciel an efficacious guide for youth.

Pius XII had Marciel suspeded and under investigation -- it was during the interregnum between Pius XII's death and John XXIII's election that Marciel was suspiciously rehabilitated.

Took payoffs from Marciel and Escriva.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/110bev06-29-2009.htm

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A128rcWopytylaKneeToKn...

That's sad particularly since he did nothing on the sex abuse scandal when he was Pope. Also, why should he be considered before Mother Teresa. Yes, the person cured by her has died, but this nun's parkinson's returned or something
similar to it.

Another in a long line of dubious claims, hocus pocus, all leading to a major event to take the heat off Benedict's blunders.

Before all the mess came out with sexual abuse scandal, and especially with Marcial Maciel and Legion of Christ, I too in my heart that April day in 2005 when Pope John Paull II passed to eternity, cried out "Santo Subito!

Not anymore. Though it is true that Pope John Paul II in terms of his erudition and philosophy and theology of the body left us all with an enduring legacy. Yet, he also left us a legacy means the sexually abused are still being turned away; still unhealed; still marginalized and what's worse - because he did not act more enter their numbers if not daily certainly regularly.

Therefore, I no longer support including him in the Canon of Saints.

To do so, I believe would be unjust and what's worse, would simply roughly rub more salt into the open wounds of those who were so heinously hurt during his reign as Pope and who are being hurt now because of his inaction.

who's funding this very expensive process? Marialitos in thanksgiving for a lifetime of protection and enabling for their perverse founder??

"A “decree of heroic virtue” for John Paul II was approved by Benedict XVI in December 2009, certifying that the late pope lived a holy life and authorizing him to be referred to as the “Venerable” John Paul II."

omg . . .

and no one has a problem with this?

If Cheney had followed Boy George in office, would he have decred the same?

No surprise. The protector of pedophiles such as Marcel to be a beatified. What a disgrace! What next?

It seems premature to rush canonization for John Paul II. Let history firgure out if he was a saint or obstructionist to the movements of the Holy Spirit, and a failure at responding to the sex abuse scandal.

Considering how he treated anyone who disagreed with him and his handling of the pedophile problem in the Church, I cannot imagine how he could ever be considered for either the status of "blessed" or of sainthood!

Blessed John XXIII v. John Paul II.....not even in the same ball park!
I will never refer to John Paul II as "Blessed" or, even worse, John Paul the Great. Yes, he certainly established diplomatic relations with many countries and critiqued Communism and unbridled capitalism. However, the havoc he created within the Church far outweighs his accomplishments. He left this Church in terrible disarray. He was definitely NOT Great.

Sainthood should not be casually awarded just because the Pope likes the subject nor because of his personal popularity. Nor should it be because of their politically correct theological positions. Sanctity involves the presentation of the individual's life, words and actions as worthy of emulation. God called them to have a role in His plan of salvation and they responded with courage and fidelity. They were role models.
A bishop should have been a role model for bishops, faithful to the duties of his office, not just a sweet old man loved ny everyone. John Paul II was the sweet old man. That does not qualify him for the fast track to canonization. John XXIII does qualify and he's still waiting in line.

Wait for history to clear up the abuse and coverup problems. Many people are living with serious hurt inflicted by both abusive clergy and the hierarchy during the time he was in charge. The Maciel case appears to have come directly to him. Neglecting to address this problem could be a serious sin.

No sainthood for JPII. He did more damage to the church with his actions regarding Vatican II, a document with which he was never comfortable. His problem was that he carried his Polish baggage with him and saw communism everywhere,for example,coloring his stance on liberation theology for the poor in South America.

I would propose sainthood for Archbishop Romero, a man faithful to the Gospel of Jesus and not to the consolidation of clerical power as was JPII.

God forbid this particular "cause" for "His Holiness" John Paul the Great Enabler.

Could some one, please, tell me why Pope John Paul II is being beatified when he allowed Cardinal Bernard Law to have a cushy position in the Vatican after moving priests around the Boston area who were known to have molested children. And Law did so knowning they were molesters. Would some one respond to this?

curtis carlson

Before this is done the very strange relationship with Maciel should be investigated thoroughly.

Sigh.
I wish we would let God decide who the saints are, not the Vatican.

John Paul II does not deserve beatification.

He has caused untold damage to the Catholic Church around the world by his agenda of rolling back all that Vatican II stands for. His main thrust was related to Poland and Polish people. Very little was done for the people of the church worldwide.

However, he will be best remembered for his critical role in the cover up of priest-pedophiles, instructing their bishops to move them from parish to parish around the country and world and allowing thousands more people and their relatives to be wounded for the rest of their lives. The people who should have been protected -- THE VICTIMS -- were left to fend for themselves. That alone would be enough to deter him from any special honors. But we are well aware of how loyalty works in the Vatican, and Benedict XVI will now pay the piper for his papal election.

It is disgusting, revolting, offensive and loathsome -- but there it is. What could have been a beautiful ecclesiastical ceremony of Beatification FOR SOMEONE ELSE who actually lived a holy life is now tainted, dishonored and disgraced. What a waste of the monetary resources of the church.

The saving grace is: who cares?

This is too much. Sounds like the "old boys club" is busy at work doing the important work of the Church.
What would really be neat, and a first, would be to start the process for Bene XVI, while he is still living. If anybody could do this, I am sure he could.

Now, what is the status of Mother Theresa in this process??? I guess it's first things first.

Anybody who has read objective accounts of John Paul II's tenure as Pope, as I have, should be scandalized that he is to be beatified. He attacked progressives in the Church but had no problem cozying up to crooked Italian bankers, the mafia, and the notorious P2.

Great and loving Shepherd of the flock, Pope John Paul II, you personally lived in a very awfully inspiring and miraculous way the great Fatima Message, and through your unceasing devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Immaculate Heart of Mary came to appreciate in every way humanly possible the urgency and significance of this message for the 21st Century faith of the Church. At this time when the whole world is once again drawn to the force and power of your commitment to the faith which Jesus Christ entrusted into your shepherding hands, and now more than ever united in intercession with the Our Lady of Fatima who was your closest confidant while you were here on earth, may the Church come face to face with the gentle personality of this woman, and by your intercession come to experience a renewal by the Holy Spirit which God has brought to us through the little children of Fatima. Amen

I suppose Rome will also make him Protector of Children.

His ceremony, I refuse to recognize it as an honor, just illustrates the corruption of Rome more so than the sex scandal because this is the one man who could have really done something about it and he didn't.

I just don't get it from a religious organization that is supposed to be dedicated to Peace, Love, Truth and Justice. This flies in the face of them all. This is a public mockery of the Catholic Church by its own self and it's hierarchy is too deaf, dumb, and blind to even get a hint of that!

Like we will believe this process was the same as any other except for the time frame. Even the miracle is suspicious; reminds me of the WMD in Iraq! Couldn't they come up with something better? After all the lies we in the pews have been told; all the dissembling over the scandal, why this which will just make deeper the RCC divides that already exist?

We can, however, protest by withholding our donations on Sunday, May 1st. That's a message these guys may just get. I doubt it; but worth a try.

I wish the church would get rid of this outdated practice of beatification and canonisation. We are now in the 21st century and this nonsensical, primitive and embarrassing practice should stop. If the church wants to find real 'saints' let it look, for example, at those who work in hospices. The prospect of JPII being regarded as a 'saint' is frankly a disgrace.

It is time that the church ended the outmoded practice of beatification and canonisation. This superstitious nonsense is an embarrassing anachronism and is totally out of place in the 21st century. If the Vatican were serious about finding true saints it should look no further than many of the staff working in hospices.

The suspicious fast-tracking of JPII is frankly insulting and shows once again that Vatican bureaucrats are completely out of touch with the modern world.

Not forgetting also that he forbade even talk of women's ordination - add that to the list as well.

Is the fast tracking of the beatification of Pope John Paul a way to take the spot light off of the Hierarchy, as it struggles with the sex abuse scandal??
How very sad for all of the victims who have already suffered sexual abuse by priests within the churh and now "THE CHURCH" continues the abuse by proclaiming a man a saint who turned his back on these victims.
My prayer today is that someday I will be proud to proclaim that I am a Catholic, however since I am in the twilight years of my life I doubt that it will happen.

I do not agree with any regative comments made about Venerable John Paul II.
He brought me into the Catholic Church and I am attending Rome for his beatification, God willing.

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