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Re-thinking the theological thought police
What might baldly be called the Vatican Thought Police are after Theological Studies, the 71-year-old journal for professional theologians that has 2,848 subscribers in 90 countries. They’ve made noises about some of the journal’s essays, apparently forcing it to print a rebuttal to one of them.
There is a cold wind blowing out of Rome. Has anyone noticed that Catholic theologians are running for the secular hills?
Jesuit-sponsored Theological Studies is just what it says. It is not a catechetical tool. It is not issued by the USCCB public relations department. It is a journal in which scholars who successfully pass several layers of peer review and a painstaking editing process publish the fruits of years of scholarship. Some of these essays eventually turn up in scholarly books published by Catholic presses.
Rome may worry about theological research published by professionals for professionals, but no one seems to care about the strain the current climate puts on Catholic research and publishing. Catholic presses are increasingly wary of writing that might raise a Roman eyebrow. So secular publishing houses offer a safe haven for scholars who ask questions the Vatican would rather not have asked.
Does anyone else see a problem here?
Full disclosure: I have published in Theological Studies. I write this twice-monthly column mostly published online for NCR. What I write, whether in Theological Studies or in the column you are now reading, is professionally edited by Catholics. I have also published with both secular and Catholic publishing houses. I depend on the criticism of my editors and peers.
In keeping with the best traditions of journalism, NCR editors watch for style and spelling and facts. They also ensure respectful discussion of issues.
At Theological Studies (known in the trade as “TS”), scholarship and accuracy form the bottom line. Every comma, every footnote, every word is scrutinized and scrubbed to ensure an essay’s meaning is clear, or at least as clear as can be for theologians. The result is such page-turners as “Levinas and Christian Mysticism after Auschwitz” by Paul Rigby and “Christological Polemics of Maximus the Confessor and the Emergence of Islam onto the World Stage” by Grigory I. Benevich. Each appeared in the June 2011 issue along with the apparently non-peer reviewed and very lightly edited “Indissoluble Marriage: A Reply to Kenneth Himes and James Coriden” by Jesuit Fr. Peter F. Ryan and Germain Grisez.
Nearly seven years ago Himes and Coriden raised a theological question with significant pastoral implications. But the Vatican’s brand of thought police (more likely only one Vatican doctrine cop) decided Himes’ and Coriden’s work was non-doctrinal and a danger to the faithful, who probably never heard of either one until this story hit the news.
Such is not a new mistake by non-media savvy doctrine enforcers. Think of how many books they have sold for Elizabeth Johnson. If the Vatican is concerned about scholars being popularized, perhaps it should consider how much PR it does on their behalf.
It should also consider where Catholic scholars will publish their books in the future, given the current climate. While there are many fine secular publishing houses around, they often do not have Catholic editorial staff to back-stop a writer. They do, of course, send materials out for review among Catholic specialists, but the editorial process is much different, and often more difficult, than with a Catholic publisher because often nuances of tone and technical style are lost on their copy editors.
Serious Catholic presses and journals may lean a bit in one direction or the other, but they can be trusted. The denser the book or essay, the more it will be read only by specialists. I sincerely doubt the faithful have much chance of being misled by a single article in Theological Studies, assuming they go to the trouble of finding it in a university or seminary library in the first place.
Theological Studies provides a serious forum for serious discussion. It does not make publication decisions lightly -- scholars have but a 10 percent chance of having an essay accepted by TS. Why go after it?
Attacking a professional journal does not protect doctrine. It mummifies it. Driving theologians into the secular streets can actually create the problem the doctrine defenders seek to avoid.
Where did this dust up come from? Is officialdom mollifying the ultra-right? Will it ever recognize nothing will ever be enough?
It makes no sense to force a professional journal to publish what may be a rejected article.
Theological Studies will remain the gold standard for scholarship. But the chilling end result of this and other actions in the name of the hierarchy is that Catholic scholars will seek more, not fewer, secular outlets for work rightly and properly discussed inside the guild.
Theologians are not the problem.
[Phyllis Zagano is senior research associate-in-residence at Hofstra University and author of several books in Catholic Studies. Her most recent book is Women & Catholicism, published by Palgrave-Macmillan in June.]
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Phyllis Zagano is correct,
Phyllis Zagano is correct, absolutely!
My view: The Vatican ideologues and hierarchs are running scared. They know that they are on the losing intellectual side of history. The hierarchs are playing the Vatican version of "Whack-a-Mole": smash this Catholic intellectual over here, get 'em when they pop-up over there, clobber some Jesuits over there, free pass to reactionary Opus Dei over here, bust up some nuns over there, and so on...
These kinds of the intellectual "tempest in a teapot" are all part of a broad strategy of intellectual retreat from engagement of the modern human society by the hierarchs to cower behind Vatican walls for the next century or so, living off the $billions they have stashed away in their investment portfolios, until that time when all memory will have faded or been extinguished of how the hierarchs have so badly corrupted their pastoral leadership since the untimely death of JP1.
At that mythic time in the future when it will be safe for the hierarchs to emerge from behind Vatican walls again, I'm sure we will here a well rehearsed chorus singing: What scandal? What abuse? What cowardly leadership? We were innocent victims of the church's enemies! Blame women! Blame gays! Blame permissive moral relativism!
[I know it doesn't have that "musical flow" just yet, but as always, Rome has time to work on it. They don't call it the Eternal City for nothing!]
“free pass to reactionary
“free pass to reactionary Opus Dei over here”
How true. Just look at the newly issued “ aid for confessors and spiritual directors” from the Congregation for the Clergy. http://www.clerus.org/clerus/dati/2011-05/20-13/Sussidio_per_Confessori_...
Prayer for the lay is now redefined to fit Escriva’s definition, contrary to what Christ said. For thousands of years it was “Ora et Labora”. Now it’s “Labora est Ora”.
Passage from the guide:
“The spiritual director should assist the lay faithful in their relationship with God (by making concrete their participation in the Holy Eucharist and prayer, in the examination of conscience in a manner that is in union with their lives), in forming conscience, in assisting with the sanctification of the family, work, social relationships, and taking part in public life. “Work done in this fashion becomes a prayer. Study done in this fashion is a prayer. Scientific research done in this fashion becomes a prayer. Everything converges to one solitary reality: all is prayer, everything can and should bring us to God, feeding our continuous relationship with Him, from sunrise to sunset. Every honest labour can be a prayer, and every work is prayer, it is an apostolate. In this manner the soul is strengthened in the unity of a simple but robust life.104” 104 ST. JOSEMARIÁ ESCRIVÁ, È Gesù che passa, 10.
Compare this to Luke 10:38-42
“As they continued their journey he entered a village where a woman whose name was Martha welcomed him. She had a sister named Mary [who] sat beside the Lord at his feet listening to him speak. Martha, burdened with much serving, came to him and said, “Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me by myself to do the serving? Tell her to help me.” The Lord said to her in reply, “Martha, Martha, you are anxious and worried about many things. There is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her.”
Payer and work are both important, but are two different concepts, like night and day. St Benedict made that clear distinction in his definition of “Opus Dei” which means prayer before and after work. As a scientist or physician or laborer I should pray that God help me that my work be well done, but when I work, I am not praying, I am working to God’s given and my best ability. The same way, when I pray, I should be praying to the best of my abilities. Payer takes precedence over and informs work, as Christ teaches Martha. But no, in pure Orwellian double speak fashion, the word “prayer” and “work” is made the same, as shoved down the Catholic world’s throats by the Escrivisitas. The reason? It’s simply to collect $$$$ from movement members, because if a member “works” and gives all his/her money to the movement, then, according to the movement “spiritual director", the member “prays” and is “holy” (more so if she/he follows Escriva’s idea of “holiness”: coercion, intransigence and shamelessness). Why was this given an easy pass? Lets pray Church leaders have the Love, faith, hope, prudence, fortitude, temperance and sense of justice, to correct this.
Raimon Pannikar view of
Raimon Pannikar view of dialogue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvsov6OuTWs
..btw, I am not a theologian,
..btw, I am not a theologian, perhaps an curia "expert" can clarify the above???
totalitarian francoist
totalitarian francoist escriva wanted slaves, not souls
How absolutely a beautiful if
How absolutely a beautiful if searing description of what's going on in the Church these days. Thank you, Phyllis Zagano and Jim Jenkings!
Jim, I agree with you but as
Jim,
I agree with you but as a physician educated in a Catholic University, I see this creeping doctrinal policing extending to all forms of scholarship. Just recall the Olmstead case in Phoenix when a Bishop felt that he had the authority to make a decision abut medical care. The idea that any article could be published in a good journal without proper pier review is preposterous, but the idea that a Bishop would attempt to intervene in the medical care of a critically ill patient on the side that this mother of four must die along with a fetus that could not be saved is frankly very dangerous. The dogmatists have reached a point of grandiosity that they must be told a firm NO as the ethics committee at St. Josephs Hospital told the Bishop. This is true even if these tyrants declare their excommunication's of individuals and institutions as happened in Arizona. We must seek truth from the Holy Spirit where ever we find it. We can not rely on the inaccurate but forcefully articulated voice of dogmatic Catholic neo-"Traditionalists." We as truthful academic people must stand up and say no!!
R. Dennis Porch, MD
Irvine, CA
Bravo! I totally agree...now
Bravo! I totally agree...now how are we going to get the laity to stand up and give a resounding "NO" when all the laity seems to do is walk away? I belong to an IEC that was created due to the firing of our much loved and visionary pastor and then the quick destruction of the parish that people from a wide area came to join because the message of Jesus being proclaimed spoke to their hearts.
The majority was swept aside by the minority and the parish is but a shell of what it was. So any ideas from you or others out there on how to organize the laity to defend Vatican II and this so called Restoration of the Truth?
It's telling that the
It's telling that the response is not obedience but to seek a new outlet for disobedience. Self-styled Catholic theologians—as opposed to protestant theologians, which they're welcome to be, and some in fact are—would do well to ponder the Admonitions of St. Francis: "Blessed is the servant who bears discipline … from others as patiently as if they came from himself. Blessed is the servant who, when reproved, mildly submits, modestly obeys, humbly confesses, and willingly satisfies." And they would do even better to ponder Donum Veritatis. When they place themselves in conformance with it, they will find that it isn't the balmy wind blowing from Rome that was making them cold, but the dismal swamp of dissent in which they had placed themselves. Rome does not go hither attacking the truth; it seeks to protect from error. For this reason, Ms. Zagano's closing comment could literally not be more wrong: It is precisely the theologians who are the problem.
Without Theologians you would
Without Theologians you would not have the doctrines you have now. Not only that, the theology we hold sacred was very threatening in its day. Perhaps you recall that St. Paul was considered bad doctrine by a large number of the Ante-Nicene Fathers. A publication is not under obedience. Thank you.
If you can only see this in
If you can only see this in terms of obedience, you are completely missing the point. The article explains that the relevant publication has a tiny circulation and that there is no chance the faithful in the pews are going to be misled by anything published in it. If a few thousand scholars around the world cannot explore theological questions in a publication devoted to inquiry, there is no hope for the Catholic Church's intellectual tradition.
It is precisely your attitude of unquestioned, blind obedience that has gotten the Church in so much trouble in the last ten years. Stifling debate, which is the Vatican's real aim, works in the short term, but in the long term it bankrupts the conversation which should exist within the Church. There is more than a little fear of the modern world in the Vatican's actions, which perhaps shows that very little changes in the Church after all.
If anyone would like to respond that obedience is the proper role of the faithful I urge you to update yourselves on what Vatican II says about that.
Of course, Francis was
Of course, Francis was referring to someone who had done something wrong.
SJohn...your comment provides
SJohn...your comment provides little evidence that you even bothered to read the article. It provides no evidence that you understood the article in the least.
Many years ago I read a
Many years ago I read a publication by the Russell Sage Foundation entitled 'Cooperation in change'; the author Goodenough PH.D...the thesis was 'there cannot be change without dissent. If more information is needed to verify go no further than Galileo or Einstein and numerous others. Somehow the above reply of SJohn implies usage of 'dissent' as a pejorative, which it is not. Even worse Rome has no intention at all in protecting Truth. Its interest is solely in maintaining an overwhelming authority and subjugation of all dissent, all learning, all scholarship. It is time long past for all of us to say NO to Rome. There is more than enough room in the pews for the 'mindlessly obedient' to gather.
I have a west coast orange
I have a west coast orange bridge to give you --- absolutely free!
Just give me $100 to defray cost of shipping & handling.
Believe me, it'd be a steal!
(i don't see a sign at the front of a roman catholic church indicating "check your brains at the door")
(not yet, anyway)
Are you a democrat on food
Are you a democrat on food stamps? Not to be rude, but the intellectual poverty of your comment is so popeful, ala the cartoon cast of PJPII and B16 current missing-the-mark Bishop cadre. Dolan and the numbing 9 that panned E.Johnson's work are so illustrative of the ilk now cluttering our once great Roman Catholicism with religiosity.
Why do we have to use
Why do we have to use political labels to attack each other? We are all God's children. Name calling is inappropriate. I do agree that current RC leadership is lacking in terms of intellectual openness. They seem to forget that we are no longer illiterate, undereducated people relying on them for all knowledge of faith.
I am not a theologian and not
I am not a theologian and not even all that much interested in theology, but I am a practicing catholic and a linguist. We also have our own professional journals in which we discuss issues among scholars that concern the profession, a fact that moves the profession and what we know about languages forward. I find it sad on principle that the Vatican obviously ignores a long history and proud tradition of the Catholic Church in which things about God, also called theology were argued out fiercely, debated, prayed about for centuries , e.g. Nicea, Council of Trent,Vatican II, etc. None of what we now have in this proud tradition " came from heaven." Our local wonderful priest said the other day that we even have to thank the heretics for questioning beliefs of the day. We should honor the questioners not " burn them at the stake", metaphorically speaking.
It is so hard to be a Catholic for no other reason than these folks! The rest is quite wonderful, but because of them not only theologians leave and take for the secular hills.... Quo Vadis Vatican?
Thank you, Ms. Zagano. I have
Thank you, Ms. Zagano. I have almost forgiven you for your inane article on the pledge of alleigence with this one.
This probably won't get by the NCR censors, (especially if John Allen is around) but, can the Vatican really be as stupid as they appear?
YES!!!!
YES!!!!
One can't help but imagine
One can't help but imagine that this attack on Theological Studies is one more example of Rome's attempts to attack Jesuit orthodoxy. Don Pedro would not be surprised.
All well and good, but she
All well and good, but she said nothing about why TS caved in on this point. Until theologians, including those who publish TS, get some cahones, this will only get worse. Look what happened at America. They drove out the editor because of what who knows. Something Rome did not like. Look out TS. Your fate has already been determined by the faith police.
I completely agree. They did
I completely agree. They did not have to publish the article, they could have said no. I do not think this is a move by the Pope, or even the entire Curia, but one person. I like this article very much because as a Master's student of Theology, I frequently consult TS and find the articles not only good, but tough! We have to stand up and say we are the Church. We, the body of Christ.
Outstanding points are made
Outstanding points are made in this article. I, too, am concerned about this type of hierarchical control and censorship over a theological journal that is clearly that, a place for theological discussion. It does not serve as a catechetical tool to be used by Catholics to teach Catholics. If one is not free to discuss theological issues in a theological journal, where do the theologically-minded turn for this level of discussion? Do we really want to push the theologians of our time, some who may also be prophets of our time, out of the "church" arena?
Interesting how an article
Interesting how an article _being published_ is somehow considered to be "censorship." Interesting also how that article _being published_ is taken to be an occasion of hand-wringing about how there is no longer freedom of discussion. Very interesting. Anytime a scholarly article is in line with "the Vatican's view" on a topic is published, this is censorship, lack of free thought, absence of discussion, etc.?
rome asked only that a reply
rome asked only that a reply be published . the reply passed peer review . the issue is that the editors of TS took so long to publish it . the delay seems to have come through resistance to publishing a contrary opinion
that is the story . most comments here so far has been unhelpful .
does an article supporting conclusions of the magisterium and passed by a peer review groups amount to an attack on academic freedom . I would have thought it publication might start a helpful debate..
the people at the defense of the faith too often put their foot in it : not here though . TS looks as if it was hostile to dissent
Rome does not ask. Dissent
Rome does not ask. Dissent is not in question, intimidation is. The process for inclusion in TS or any other scholarly publication is well known, understood and accepted. Rome has no interest in 'process', but its own end. My respect is directed to them who can say NO to a bully.
Phyllis is right on! I had
Phyllis is right on! I had not yet purchased or read Elizabeth Johnson's masterpiece until it was questioned some months ago. With that "endorsement", I went right out and purchased it. I just finished it last evening, and was profoundly impressed by it.
What the bishops are doing today with theological research is exactly what the Legion of Decency did back in the 50's and 60's...condemning films, which people then went to see because of the extensive negative publicity. What comes around, goes around, I guess. Doesn't the hierarchy ever learn from the mistakes of the past? Seems to me not to learn from the past is the classic definition of insanity!!
The thought police are a
The thought police are a threat not only to Catholic theologians (and bishops) but also, perhaps more so, to Catholic publishers. I was recently told (on the phone, not in writing) by an editor for a Catholic publisher that "What you say needs to be said but since we are a Catholic publisher we cannot do so. We have to watch our step!".
I dealt with topics like freedom of conscience,birth control, divorce and remarriage,homosexuality, clerical sex abuse and cover-ups, clerical celibacy, clerical privilege, the mission of the Church,the role of the laity and of the hierarchy and the Church's loss of credibility.
Where are Catholics to find reasonable duscussion on such topics readily available to them? Apart from NCR, America and Commonweal, which are not normally available in the parish newsracks, they are limited to the "three monkey" publications(hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil) which masquerade as diocesan newspapers or the updated, simplified versions of the Baltimore Catechism which explain "How" but not "Why" to be Catholic
Dear WT, in addition to the
Dear WT, in addition to the paper & journals you mention there is one more courageous magazine: US CATHOLIC put out by the Claretians. It doesn't purport to be a mirror image of AMERICA or of COMMONWEAL; nor is it a newspaper. It's appeal is to educated Catholics looking for commonsense and pastoral approaches to issues, but not necessarily at a highly abstracted level. This is a magazine that, like NCR, might be found in church newsracks (or nowadays: counted among the parish website's links) but has much that is solid, inquisitive and evidences solid scholarship. Yes, dissenters find themselves among subscribers as well.
sadly, that is exactly where
sadly, that is exactly where Rome wants them to be, "in the hills", to be replaced by uncreative and critical minds but who are "loyal" to the Church.
It should be laughable but we can ill afford the loss of such people who
invite us to, if not think outside the box, at least think in a larger box.
Theology and catechesis are
Theology and catechesis are two different fields of endeavor...theology is not merely affirming doctrine, it is exploring the origin of doctrine and effects of doctrine and it delves into spirituality (how people really live their lives and how they do or don't relate to God)...
Honestly...the "Church in Rome" needs a job description so they can stop meddling!!
Would this article have passed the normal peer review??? I'm thinking there will be many "answers" and "replies" to this put-up job...
As a graduate of Protestant
As a graduate of Protestant seminaries, I depend on "TS" and others to keep me abreast of "where Rome is" on important questions, because of course, we are always looking over our shoulders at Trent and Vatican I---just as the CDF does---but for quite different reasons.
How will it be when we can only rely on "Catholic" publications to be house organs?
+ David
V. R. David, you clarified
V. R. David, you clarified the problem totally when you referred to the hierarchy's programmatic effort to convert journals of study/disputation/peer review into "house organs". Thank you for that.
Unless they are "house
Unless they are "house organs" what use are they in keeping you abreast of "where Rome is"?
Zagano is right about
Zagano is right about publishers. Increasingly, Catholic theologians have gone to non-Catholic publishing houses. Some editors at Catholic publishers send theologians' manuscripts that they'd like to publish to secular or Protestant-sponsored presses. Why do they pass on the manuscripts? Exactly the fear Zagano notices.
Theological Studies will survive somehow. But if the Catholic publishers fear to take any challenging texts, then the mummification she writes of will get only worse.
Rome if fast becoming
Rome if fast becoming terrified. The more terrified, the more they are insisting upon these mini witch hunts to attempt to control things they can no longer control.
It's escalating, and I for one am delighted. The structure, and the power, of the Church held in the hands of those who should know better, but don't, has to be strangled out of existence. If I believed that those in power were even attempting to follow the Gospel, I wouldn't be this hard. But when they take issue with the works of a Himes or Johnson, for no good reason other than to allow themselves to be in control, then we know how distant they've become from Christ's teaching, regardless of what they proclaim.
We need a ground swelling revolt before another Inquisition rears its ugly head.
This article is pure
This article is pure hyperbole. The Catholic theological sky is not "falling". There are no Catholic "thought police".
It is important for scholars to know and remember that Catholic theology is not like other fields of study. Rome and Roman theologians have the right AND THE OBLIGATION to define official Catholic teaching. Furthermore, every Catholic publication and writer should be willing and prepared to have corrections printed for any theological article. This is NOT censorship. This is accuracy and honesty.
As a Catholic, I expect books and articles on Catholic subjects to be "orthodox". If they are not, I also expect them to publish responses which present the correct Catholic position. THIS is Catholic scholarship.
You say you expect books and
You say you expect books and articles on Catholic subjects to be "orthodox." I expect them to be interesting, stimulating, and inspiring. Is someone who wants religion to be interesting, stimulating, and inspiring not a "true" Catholic?
Anon, St Augustine could not
Anon, St Augustine could not be considered Catholic under the rules as you've described them. Neither could Thomas Aquinas, Catherine of Siena, Francis of Assisi, and more who have enriched (changed! for the better) our Church. One can only conclude that the rules as you've described them are man made and imposed, not historical but relatively recent. To coin a phrase, they would constitute a hermeneutic of discontinuity.
When the papacy and hierarchy reflect Jesus, your orthodoxy problem is negligible. We all long for that. Did Jesus ask us to be correct, or to be lovng and selfless and take up our cross?
Define "correct". Catholic
Define "correct". Catholic Theology is broader and deeper than the narrow and ultra conservative things that are spewed forth from "Rome and it's theologians". When what they say continually disagrees with "sensus fidelium" we should at least ask questions!
You know over the ages a lot
You know over the ages a lot of supposedly "orthodox" opinion that came out of the Vatican later proved to be wrong in fact, stupid, bigoted, racist, anti-democratic, anti-intellectual, anti-scientific, and contrary to Catholic understand of Christian doctrine today. God save us from people who think that orthodoxy is what always comes out of the Vatican.
"I expect..." Please
"I expect..."
Please demonstrate some knowledge of the subject-matter.
The professional field of (Catholic) theology is not catechesis.
Who do you think you are
Who do you think you are kidding? The "thought police" are the Vatican hierarchy. In recent years, anyone who dares challenge or even disagrees with Rome is ousted (as in the Bishop in Australia). Some of our great saints were the biggest challengers of the Hierarchy. It is a sad day when a bishop can be removed because he dared to say that if Rome would change the ruling on women priests, he would "consider it". No thought police? Open your eyes and think again.
You are clearly a catechist
You are clearly a catechist and not a theologian. The task of theology is to investigate, not propagate. Each is an important task, but they are different.
Anonymous on Aug. 31,
Anonymous on Aug. 31, 2011.
You stated:
"This article is pure hyperbole. The Catholic theological sky is not "falling". There are no Catholic "thought police".
It is important for scholars to know and remember that Catholic theology is not like other fields of study. Rome and Roman theologians have the right AND THE OBLIGATION to define official Catholic teaching. Furthermore, every Catholic publication and writer should be willing and prepared to have corrections printed for any theological article. This is NOT censorship. This is accuracy and honesty.
As a Catholic, I expect books and articles on Catholic subjects to be "orthodox". If they are not, I also expect them to publish responses"
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Accuracy and honesty? From Rome? I suppose that you believe that Rome has the world's best theologians---who all have direct phone lines to the Holy Spirit. The Vatican has been silencing, condemning theologians all during the pontificate of JP II and has continued into the pontificate of Benedict.
Take a look at past ages. If theologians had not forged ahead in the Church---we would not have the understanding of God and human relatiionships to God that we have today. And don't kid yourself----the great theologians of the past went theough Hell with both Rome and their bishops---either silencing them or threatening to excommunicate them because of what they wrote. Later, these very theologians became the cornerstone of our theological understanding.
We are into a new millenium---and our growth in understanding of God and our relationship to God MUST continue to develop. But, it cannot if the Church is more interested in looking backwards in time, because it it afraid. And with the Vatican shouldering its position into theological journals---its FEAR is most evident in trying to 'sush' everything and everyone who doesn't walk lock step according "orthodox positions".
Rome is the last European
Rome is the last European dictatorship. Be careful- a hot wind is blowing up from North Africa!!
The last dictatorship? Not at
The last dictatorship? Not at all. I once belonged to a parish that was chock full of dissent and was a bastion of "progress" and the "Spirit of Vatican II." The pastor was an absolute dictator and woe betide anyone who dared dissent from his dissent. His loyal minions were if anything worse. There was no mercy and no quarter. No one is more intolerant or dictatorial then a liberal with power.
Intolerance is inexcusable
Intolerance is inexcusable from the left, right, or center. We're talking about a vast diversity of people's ways of authentically relating to their God.
Phyllis - I tend to agree
Phyllis - I tend to agree with you, but I can't get past the fact that this has been going on for seven years and I wonder if any of us knows what's really burning Rome's bacon. I read Himes' article and found it fairly innocuous. If as you suggest this is all about thought police, what did they wait seven years, and why pick this article when there are so many others to choose from? The general public doesn't read TS, and certainly doesn't read back issues. I think there's another story here....
robertg, have you ever heard
robertg, have you ever heard of "Catholic Identity"? This push has also been going on for at least seven years in Europe and in USA at least. Benedict xvi has established an curial office for The New Evangelization (especially for Europe and USA deemed the two most "secularized" segments of the church). Only a few people are known to be part of that office as yet; to my knowledge it hasn't publicized its official mission, goals/objectives, policies, programs if, in fact, they exist at this time. There is a recent shift in language however from Catholic Identity to New Evangelizing.
If you're looking for "another story" look no futher than policy, program, and application descriptions of these in practice. The recent colloquim held (closed door) by the Pope with select German theologians had the topic New Evangelization as its theme. Even the official pronouncements regarding World Youth Days was rife with references to the new evangelization.
I'm glad I didn't have a full
I'm glad I didn't have a full stomach when I read this preposterous spin piece. How dare the Vatican meddle in Church affairs! What passes for theology these days must remain protected high atop an ivory tower, lest anyone capable of critical thought actually addresses its errors. Pathetic, and entirely non-Catholic.
And, what is your point?
And, what is your point?
While I agree with the
While I agree with the author's argument, I did chuckle at the pretension in the statement "TS provides a serious forum for serious discussion".
I'm sure Jesus is relieved to know that somewhere among his followers there is a serious forum for those looking to discuss Him seriously. Thanks heavens for theologians or our faith might become just a frivolous chat by folks without PhD's, Master's or even (gasp) Bachelor's.
Some of the most serious theological discussions I ever had were with my mom during her final battle with cancer. For someone without a high school diploma she imparted a theological severity worthy of the Gregorium.
Good point. While I, too,
Good point. While I, too, agree with the the thrust of Phyllis Zagano's article, your comment reminds me of something more important that Rome has been denying: everyone can and at some point does "theologize." They seem to be so concerned with theologians "confusing" people or "leading them astray" somehow, as if they were still children waiting to be fed, rather than adults needing to be hungry.
I respect tradition, and the theological wisdom of centuries that humbly remind me that we are not the first people to grapple with questions of life, suffering and death. But we will continue to grapple with them, in large "serious" discussions and forums, and in small, more important life-changing moments everyday. As I get older, I appreciate more and more how Jesus spent time in widening circles, from hanging out with Pharisees and discussing and debating in "serious forums," to countless meals among us rabble, like Zacheus, and talks of a woman giving all her pennies. It is simply the stuff of life.
My own understanding of God's strength and power came not from my theology degree, but by witnessing my Dad's response to cancer and leg amputations as he "walked" (he'd like that joke) his last days, growing more and more feeble but stronger and stronger in integrity, and wonder and awe.
We are all God's children, but if we choose to follow the Way, then we need to become an adult church.
I had the same experience
I had the same experience with my own mother, whose education was limited to the required eight years of basic education afforded to most European kids back in the early 19 hundreds. Her life was an extremely difficult one and her words to her grandson (my son) and his wife come back often to me now that I'm embracing my own old age. However, I happen to like to read theology, especially some of the contemporary thoughts of feminists theologians as well as the many outstanding works of Liberation Theologians. I agree that theologians themselves will do a better job than the "thought police" in keeping theology from any major error.
I remember a Bishop of the
I remember a Bishop of the Maronite Church (in union with Rome) saying that either his church or the Russian Catholic church had a ceremony which did not sound like anullment but which expressed sadness and permitted a couple to divorce and remarry. Could check this out. Many people would not want to swear that they had never been married - especially when they have children.
If you want an interesting
If you want an interesting approach to divorce and remarriage in the Orthodox Church check out:
Orthodox Research Institute a article by:
Bishop Athenagoras (Peckstadt) of Sinope
The subect is on divorce and remarriage in the Orthodox Church.
In the US the legitimacy of
In the US the legitimacy of children are established in the civil courts, not in the Tribunal. The declaration of nullity in a marriage case no more affects the legitimacy of children than it does the property settlement. The Tribunal examines a case and makes a decision as to whether a valid consent was given at the time of the marriage ceremony. Please, let us not continue speaking of illegitimate children resulting from nullity cases.
Sally Morrow: Long ago, I had
Sally Morrow:
Long ago, I had a conversation with a theologian who related to me that in the Coptic rite (in union with Rome) there were actually three levels of marriage practiced and celebrated in their liturgies:
1. Betrothal, or what we would call "engagement" : usually between young teenagers; can be divorced or terminated.
2. Civil marriage: Couples marry; raise their families; live together in union with the church; can be divorced or terminated.
3. Sacramental marriage: After years, sometimes decades, of marriage and children, the couple then celebrate and renew their marriage vows with the church; there is no divorce.
There is no exclusion for the first two levels of marriage. I'm sure that cultural/societal norms would mitigate against dissolving any agreement of marriage, but this arrangement does provide for people "to change their minds," accommodate changes in their life's situation, and move on with their lives.
Sounds like a good place to start when we think about reforming marriage customs.
The children of a marriage
The children of a marriage which is annulled are not affected (i.e. considered illegitimate). It is something that I checked out before I applied for one in 1975.
The world is in chaos and in
The world is in chaos and in need of pastoral compassion, and Rome quibbles!
Last I checked, being a
Last I checked, being a theologian means that one has an ecclesial vocation. This means being in hierarchical communion.
Are you really trying to say that the hierarchy performing their job of being the definitive teachers of the faith is somehow contrary to good theology? Nobody "peer reviews" the CDF; the CDF gives definitive responses which require religious submission of intellect and will. Any "theologian" who denies this role to the Holy Father (in whose name the CDF acts) really ceases to be a Catholic theologian... perhaps they should be published by the secular press then.
Good points! 1. A "Catholic"
Good points!
1. A "Catholic" theologian is "an ecclesial vocation" and should be "in hierarchical communion."
2. As another reader commented: these "Self-styled Catholic theologians—as opposed to protestant theologians, which they're welcome to be, and some in fact are."
3. These self-styled, self-serving, free-wheeling "theology academic/scholar" should publish their work in Protestant journals. If they want to work or claim to work as "Catholic", they should hav e 'tock-enough skin" to face evaluation and criticism from Catholic theologians proper including the bishops.
Amen!
Amen!
Fr. John I think your
Fr. John I think your statement somewhat begs the question.
Nowhere in this article did I perceive a questioning of the mission and purpose of CDF. Nowhere in the article did I note that the two "corrective" and no-peer-reviewed authors are members or even official reps of CDF. The article merely makes a reference to unsourced pressures received and felt by the editors and publishers of TS over a number of years. It then intimates a link from those pressures to the article in the June issue which is an editorial and professional anonomaly for the journal in context.
Wouldn't it be better if
Wouldn't it be better if "Theological Studies" was the gold standard of Theological studies, not "scholarship"? And, why don't we advance the pursuit of the truth of the matter by writing an article critical of Grisez and Ryan?
Thank you for your care and
Thank you for your care and information...
Let us be patient...if we manage to have Vatican II....we may beleive that the Holy Spirit is still at work in this ...unbelivable Catholic Church.... fortunally we still remain with the Holy Spirit......
I am one of those who
I am one of those who probably would never had read Elizabeth Johnson's book, had the Bishops' reaction not taken place. I have now finished roughly a third. It is NOT light reading; it requires reflection and deep thought.
Her work is a serious discussion of multiple approaches to the problem of 20th-21st century humans attempting to maintain faith by discerning the nature of the Godhead. Rarely can I detect her own personal opinion; rather, she effectively and quite objectively explores many, many different responses to the crisis of belief inherent in our modern culture. Remarkably, within the context of scholarship she often writes like a poet.
The further I read, the more amazed I am that the Bishops took her book to task.
It is not merely sad, but extremely dangerous when alternative points of view are suppressed in an academic context. This latest example in which a highly academic journal was 'forced' to publish a response should concern us all.
My own professional experience is that: 1) Emotions often underlie intellectual positions, with facts garnered to support a pre-existing bias or need; and 2) the most vehement negative reactions take place as a result of fear of loss of control or power.
Clearly, that is the dominant issue at play in the hierarchy. (And of course, this would be vigorously denied.)
They destroy what they fearfully attempt to protect. Not terribly different in the Church than in the world at large. Domine, miserere nobis.
Peripatetics' hits the nail
Peripatetics' hits the nail on the head about "the dominant issue of the hierarchy" being their "fear of loss of power and control." Many historical decisions by Authorities in Rome have been based on fear rather than faith. Maintaining the "traditional" status quo within the church by any means necessary has frequently been employed whenever Rome has seen its authority slipping away. Its policy is based on the end justifying the means. In doing so it frequently uses fear and intimidation to enforce conformity, even when its loss of authority is its own undoing.
The reformation occurred because Rome refused to reform its corruption when critics pointed to its existence. Today the hierarchy has lost its authority because of its corruption. The corruption now is the abuse of authority by bishops in allowing pedophiles to abuse our children on a worldwide scale.
When an adult sodomizes a child it is an abuse of power. When a bishop transfers a pedophile priest causing more children to be sodomized, it is an abuse of power. When such abuse of power is occurring on a worldwide scale it is a corporate abuse of authority.
What is the reaction of Rome to this abuse of authority? Is it reform of authority? Is it any curtailment of the power of bishops to cause more children to be abused? NO! NO! and NO! Rome's reaction to the corruption is to defend the offending bishops and attack the victims and critics.
Using fear and intimidation against theologians, critics and dissenters and against the theological journal are just part of the same pattern of behavior, the tactics of a bully who acts out of fear, not faith. Rome realizes it has lost more of its authority, and instead of truly reforming, the Curia is eager to attack. Rome is about absolute medieval power and control.
Rome opposed and condemned the reformation. Rome opposed and condemned democracy and republican forms of government. Rome opposed and condemned the American Bill of Rights. Rome opposed and condemned the rise of scientific knowledge. In every case Rome saw reform and change as threats to its power and contol. Abuse of power and persecution based on "fear (not faith) of the loss of power and control" were the result. Rome has repeatedly refused to acknowledge that its loss of authority was the result of its own corruption and misjudgement.
Using fear and intimidation against professional theological jounals is just more abuse of authority. Does Rome have the right and power to do it? Sure! Is it wise? NO! Its just more stupidity to anyone who knows church history.
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