Recognizing the church that we already are

On the evening of Friday, Nov. 4, NCR columnist Jamie L. Manson offered the opening night keynote address at the annual Call to Action national conference. The theme of the conference was “Living the Gospel of Love.” Below is the text of her speech. Read more about the address here.

I want to begin by telling a story because stories, perhaps more than any other element of faith, are vital to sustaining religious communities. Stories pass on insights; they help to give shape to religious traditions; they recall paradigmatic moments or people; they define a community; they are vehicles for revelation; even though they may be ordinary, stories can tell us a lot about the sacred.

This story, I think, does all of those things. It is a true story that happened in a place as ordinary as St. Louis and as recently as 2008. The year that stretched from the summer of 2008 to the summer of 2009 was especially bizarre for the Catholic Church in the United States (and, I know there is a lot of competition for that title).

It was during this time that Father Roy Bourgeois was given his first notification from the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that he had 30 days in which to recant his position in support of women’s ordination or face excommunication.

It was during this time that Sister Louise Akers was banned by the archbishop of Cincinnati from teaching catechetics on behalf of the archdiocese because of her public support of women's ordination in the Catholic church.

Interestingly, it was also during this time that Sister Louise Lears was forced out of all church ministerial roles by Saint Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke. The archbishop also placed Lears under a severe interdict, banishing her receiving any of the Sacraments within in the archdiocese. Her crime? You guessed it. She supported women’s ordination.

It was also during this period that Pope Benedict XVI decided to lift the excommunications of four schismatic bishops who reject the reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

Neo-conservative Catholics were welcomed back to the table, while those seeking to expand the table’s guest list were sent away hungry.

It was while I served on the board of the women’s ordination conference that I got to hear more about Louise Lears’ story in particular. Every now and then, you run into a story so powerful, it shakes you up and then re-shapes your entire theology. This story did just that for me.

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On the first Sunday after she was placed under interdict, Louise Lears decided to attend Mass. The experience with Burke left her wounded and isolated. Naturally, she wanted to be with her beloved parish community. She did not plan to receive communion because she did not wish to jeopardize the parish any further. But this was her community and she wanted at least to be physically present with this body of Christ.

Her 85-year old mother was at her side at Mass. When her mother went forward for communion, she told Louise to follow her. Louise did not ask to receive communion, but simply walked by her mother’s side. Louise’s mother took Communion, she broke it, turned around and gave it to her daughter. After witnessing this, Sr. Louise’s sister went and did the same. Seeing what was going on, many other parishioners, one by one, also broke their bread and gave it to Louise.

By the end of communion, Louise’s hands were filled with fragments of the Eucharist. After the Mass was over, as the family was standing in the back, Louise’s mother said to her daughter, “I was the first person to feed you, and I will feed you now.”

Our stories define us as a community. They recall paradigmatic people. They are vehicles for the sacred.

In that moment, Louise Lears’ 85 year-old mother revealed more about the love of God, more about living the Gospel of love, more about what makes a true church, than the entire hierarchy seems to have been able to reveal in quite some time.

And she figured out that secret that the hierarchy doesn’t want any of us to know: lay people have extraordinary sacramental power.

She cut right through this very serious case of magical thinking that our hierarchy seems to suffer from. Psychologists define “magical thinking” as the belief that one’s thoughts, words, or actions can exert more power or influence over events than one actually has. With their interdicts, and denials of communion and excommunications, the hierarchy seems to believe that they can magically separate the children of God from the table of God. That they can separate whomever they wish from the love of God. That God Godself is subject to their rules.

Though the institutional church may attempt deprive us, the Eucharist, the body of Christ, will always rise out of the people. This is what Louise Lears’ mother saw so clearly. This truth grounded her courage. This love poured out of her and inspired all of those around her. In that moment she understood that true presence, true Communion becomes real not by the will of church authorities, but only through the loving will of God. The power belongs to God and God alone. That power emerges whenever we live the Gospel of love.

There is so much I love about that story. But what I take away most is this one particular truth. It took being on the margins for Louise’s mother and her parish family to realize that the power of God was working sacramentally through them. It took being marginalized to recognize the church that they already were, regardless of the hierarchy’s vain attempts to starve Louise of the body of Christ.

I call this experience the grace of living on the margins. I talked about my experience of this grace in the first column that I ever wrote for NCR. (It’s where the title of my column, Grace on the Margins, comes from.)

From the age of 14, I felt called to the priesthood. I was never given an opportunity to formally discern this calling. Diocesan vocations directors yawned at me; the seminarians that I went to college with laughed at what they termed my “collar envy.” I got my M.Div. anyway -- albeit at a Protestant divinity school.

For whatever reason, it wasn’t until graduation that I realized that an openly lesbian, unapologetically liberal Catholic woman with a M.Div. had somewhat limited career potential.

It would take years to find a Catholic community that would hire me as their pastoral associate. When the chance finally arrived, I was welcomed to the staff of a Jesuit parish in New York City noted for its ministry to the poor as well as the gay and lesbian community.

The parish had an interesting phenomenon that they referred to as “upstairs church” and “downstairs church.” Upstairs church was the sanctuary itself, where Mass, confessions, weddings and baptisms took place. Directly below the church was an auditorium where, each Sunday afternoon, more than 900 men and women received a hot meal, clothing, toiletries, sometimes even a massage for bodies weary from sleeping in the streets.

It was one of the most life-giving experiences of my life. But there were also some spirit-breaking realizations.

In upstairs church, though I held the ordination degree and all of the appropriate ministerial experience, I could not baptize the baby or marry the couple because of my God-given gender. Though I did my very best to serve the community, I was never held in the same esteem as my priest colleagues because of my unordained and unordainable body.

But in downstairs church, my gender and sexual orientation never seemed to create barriers. The poor reached out to me, and asked me to pray for them, with them and over them. Their longings were basic and bodily: to be touched and listened to and looked at with love.

They didn’t know my previous education, my background, my sexual orientation, my theology or politics, and none of this seemed to matter anyway. They only saw presence -- my presence. And if I wasn’t being present on a given Sunday, they saw that, too, and boy did they let me know it!

These moments had a raw authenticity that often seemed elusive in upstairs church. I’ve been present at many consecrations of the Eucharist, but most of those rituals pale in comparison to the presence of Christ I saw in the despairing eyes of a homeless man when I put him in a car headed for a long-overdue detox, or in the grateful gasp of a poor couple when I gave them $15 to obtain a copy of their marriage record that will allow them to stay in a shelter together. I’m sure so many of you out here tonight have had even more powerful and vivid experiences of the margins in your own ministries.

I was feeding people, and I, too, was being fed. And I began to realize that this really is all that Jesus asks of us: that with our bodies we become bread for one another. I began to recognize that downstairs church really was an authentic church, too.

Working in a Catholic parish, I was regularly reminded of how marginalized I was as a woman in a church that only respected male authority. I often felt at best underutilized and limited, and at worst oppressed and useless. I’m sure a few of you can relate to this.

And yet, I cannot help but see what a gift it has been to be forced to live on the margins of the institutional church. It’s a paradox, I know, but I’ve met God in more paradoxes than I have houses of worship.

Had I been born male, I would have been immediately been given an engraved ticket to the seminary and ushered into the palace walls and quickly settled into a life of privilege and relative isolation.

Of course, I would undoubtedly have done some ministry on the margins as part of my training. But being excluded from the church’s center of power compelled me to discover the face of God in places I might never have ventured into. If I had not been rejected by the church because of my anatomy, I may have never have had the chance to experience God’s real presence on the edges of our society and our church institution.

Living on the outside pushed me to be creative in seeking the sacred, and kept me wary of the power trips, elitism and self-aggrandizement that I’ve encountered in a number ordained people. Though being excluded will always break my heart, the experience allowed God to break through to me in shattered, lonely spaces.

It was a paradox. But a paradox that allowed me to discover some of the countless ways that God breaks through to us and makes it possible for us to create church among ourselves whenever we live the Gospel of love. I often wonder whether I would I have had this kind of vision without this affliction of being marginalized by the institution.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I firmly believe that God calls us to liberate ourselves and one another from the margins. Throughout the gospels Jesus clearly seeks to free us from suffering and oppression —- whether the source of this suffering comes from medical, psychological, political, social, cultural or religious forces.

I’m not suggesting that we become a church of masochists. We have more than enough of those!

But I am suggesting that we not forget that the margins are a holy place, too. As we struggle to get to our destinations of inclusion, justice, peace in our church and in our world, we must make sure to see the ways in which we have already created a true church in our life on the margins. The margins of the church can be a place to be embraced. Why? Because very often this is where we often see most clearly the face of God.

What Christian community understood this better than the early church? The first Christians were the most marginalized group of their time. They faced constant persecution from political and religious authorities; they had to celebrate the Eucharist in an underground cemetery to avoid certain death. But they remained committed to creating this church among themselves; sharing meals, sustaining one another through their fears and anxieties; modeling their teacher Jesus by reaching out to those most afflicted in their society. That was church.

The gospel stories sustained them. These narratives reminded them that Jesus, too, was marginalized by the political and religious leaders of his time. These accounts also reminded them that if they wanted to see Jesus’ face, all they had to do was reach out to the margins.

The early Christians heard that message throughout the gospels, but they no doubt heard it most clearly in the text of Matthew chapter 25 -— a passage that, even to this day, has sustained millions throughout history: both those who are on margins themselves and those engaged in the work of justice with the marginalized.

Matthew 25: 31-45, as you know, recounts a parable that Jesus tells about the final judgment of the nations. This text, which is only found in Matthew, gives us the criteria by which our lives will be judged. Some of us will inherit, what Ada Maria-Isasi Diaz has rightly re-named, the kin-dom of God. God’s kin-dom, Diaz says, represents “the kinship of all creation and the promise of a just future.” What an extraordinary thing to inherit.

To those who will inherit this kin-dom, Jesus says (and you all know these words well), “for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.” Apparently, the righteous were stunned by Jesus’ words and wondered when they ever saw him afflicted in this way. He replies, “Whatever you did for these least of my sisters and brothers, you did for me.”

Jesus, God incarnate, identifies with a group of people who are thirsty, hungry, naked, estranged, sick and in prison. Jesus does not simply say that by attending to these people we bring the presence of God into the world or that performing such deeds are a concrete expression of the mercy of God.

Jesus says explicitly that whatever we do to those who are suffering, we also do to God. This indicates that God experiences full solidarity, in the most radical sense, with those on the margins. Matthew 25 reveals that God has something far greater than a special place for poorest members of society. God actually identifies completely with them. God lives on the margins.

In this chapter, Matthew clearly speaks about those dealing with very physical suffering: hunger, thirst, nakedness, sickness, imprisonment. But, earlier in his version of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew broadened the definition of the afflicted. In addition to considering the poor as those struggling with physical poverty and oppression, Matthew also considers “the poor in spirit”: those who mourn, the alienated, the lonely, the despairing.

In doing so, Matthew also recognizes the suffering endured by those who show mercy, those who hunger for righteousness and who strive to make peace. They, too, suffer in a world that does not wish to support them in their causes. They, too, suffer at the hands of religious groups who cannot accept their prophetic commitments to justice. (Remind you of anyone?)

We talk so often in the progressive church movement about the vital importance of the preferential option for the poor. How often do we actually consider why it is God prefers the poor and marginalized?

Perhaps the reason that God prefers the poor and the afflicted is because there is no group of human beings that God could better identify with. God prefers the poor and afflicted not because there is any virtue in their suffering, but because God suffers in this world just as they do.

If we understand God to be love, then each time a human denies another love, God is afflicted.

If we understand God to be justice, then each time a human struggle for justice is thwarted, God becomes poor.

If we understand God as peace, then each time peace is broken, God is shattered and distressed.

If we understand God to be healing, joy and wholeness, then whenever and however we disregard God’s presence by committing acts such as degradation, abuse and oppression, God is broken, God is violated, God is alienated.

God is treated the same way that the poor and afflicted are treated. When we are not conscious of their suffering, we are not conscious of God’s presence. When their needs go ignored, so does God’s presence go ignored. They are alienated in the same way God must feel alienated from us--God’s own creation. The suffering, the afflicted, the marginalized are treated the way God is so often treated in this world.

In her masterpiece, Waiting for God, Simone Weil reflects on the afflictions suffered by God. Of Jesus, she writes, “Christ was afflicted. He died like a common criminal, confused with thieves.”

And she imagines God like a beggar, writing, “We have the power to consent to receive God or to refuse. If we remain deaf, God comes back again and again like a beggar.”

Weil’s images of God and Christ bear a remarkable vulnerability. Christ is identified with the afflicted and God becomes like a homeless person, begging to dwell in the hearts of human beings.

But how can we understand that God is powerful if God is so afflicted? In this vision of God, God is no less omnipotent and omniscient than God than we have ever imagined. But in a great attempt to be present to us, God immerses Godself in our world, and takes the radical risk of being vulnerable out of a profound love for all of God’s creation. God’s power comes in vulnerability, in being open to being wounded, in taking the risk to love us and to let us know that we are loved.

How different is this notion of power from kind of power that we see on display in our church hierarchy? How often are church leaders guilty of marginalizing God’s presence by denying communion, telling women priests that they are a grave sin against the Eucharist, excommunicating those who dare to speak prophetic truth, abandoning foster children to the system for fear that they might be adopted by a loving gay or lesbian couple? Just to name a few examples...

We have a God who takes endless risks to be present to us in our joy, sorrow, brokenness, and uncertainty. As church, we are called to emulate this divine act by engaging more deeply with other human beings in the hope that the life of God—joy, hope, healing, love -- can flourish among us. That is how we create church.

But we have a hierarchy that is too afraid of admitting its vulnerability as an ailing and alienating institution. If our church leaders had their minds and hearts centered in this loving act of God, rather than on their own need for power, they would realize that they were truly powerless when it comes to determining who is entitled to be a recipient of God’s presence in this world. They would realize that what they think they are exerting isn’t true power, the power of God, but control, absolutism and authoritarianism.

Is it any wonder that the church is at its best and most fully alive, when we live and work on the margins? It is on the margins we can see most clearly the face of God.

It shouldn’t surprise us then that the church is alive and thriving on the margins. And those margins stretch way outside the walls of the institutional church.

There are countless women and men who are doing the work of justice and compassion, the true work of the church, throughout our world. While the institutional church crumbles under its own weight of faithless, desperate acts of self-preservation, these women and men are modeling the work to which God calls us, by serving in hospitals, prisons, shelters, schools, community centers and anywhere else God seeks to be made present.

These servant leaders are the keys to the future of the church. These women and men can and will guide new generations in understanding what it means to bring about the very life of God in a broken world. This is spiritual leadership that will truly speak to newer generations of people, who are less compelled by parish structures and traditional religious devotions but who are most definitely interesting in committing their lives to working on the margins.

I know countless young adults who are already doing this work with commitment, passion, and sacrifice by laboring in homeless and domestic violence shelters, hospitals and hospices, group homes and addiction recovery centers. They are working abroad in war-torn squalor, and locally in rundown, inner-city basements. They are empowering poor mothers, educating children, aiding undocumented immigrants, planting rooftop gardens in the projects, and feeding the hungry in pantries, soup kitchens, and nursing homes.

So many young people -— who have turned away from the Catholicism -- are honoring the dignity of human life, fighting for justice, and sacrificing to serve the margins of society. By doing this they are, whether consciously or unconsciously, doing the traditional work of the church. But most young people would never even think to call their work “church.” They would not recognize that by living and working on the margins they are incarnating the sacramental life. They are doing the work mandated by the Gospels, but not many would even know to see it this way. They might even be taken aback is they were told this.

Just because the Roman Catholic Church in the U.S. is hemorrhaging members right now, DOESN’T mean that those who walk away have any less of a need for community, for a sense of meaning, for a system of values and beliefs, for spiritual mentors to walk with them through their rites of passage -- birth, marriage, sickness, sorrow and death. Many people have been sent away from the church empty. We cannot wait for the Roman institution to change it ways. We need to feed them. Their voices, their cries are God calling to us from these margins.

Catholics, especially new generations of Catholics, need much more from religious leadership than dispensers of sacraments. They will need people who are incarnating sacramental life. They need to be inspired by leaders of integrity, they need to have their moral convictions challenged, they need to see how the work of healing, justice-seeking helps us make meaning in an increasingly empty, violent world.

We spend a lot of time and energy worrying, analyzing, writing about, and arguing with the institutional church. But we must not become so preoccupied with the church of our dreams that we fail to notice the flourishing church that we can and do create for one another -- that flourishing church that is so desperately needed by those who are profoundly wounded by the institutional church.

I believe progressive Catholics would do well to take some of the energy behind our righteous anger at the hierarchy, and use that energy to discover the myriad ways that we are already church -— in our work, in our families, in our volunteering, in our communities. We must discover all of the ways in which we bring the very life of God into our world. We must discover all of the ways that we are doing the traditional work of the church, even if it is well outside the walls of the institution.

If in our words and our work we are mirroring the teachings of the Gospel, then together we have created church –- in our longing for communion, in our searching for the sacred, in our hungering for meaning. It is this ability to see the presence of Jesus not only in the eucharistic table, but also in the table of the world that makes us Catholic. And Catholic sacramental theology teaches us that, if we take seriously Jesus’ teaching about the kin-dom of God, it is impossible to tell where the church begins and where it ends -- if it ends at all.

Older generations, who have wept from being barred from church leadership, have an extraordinary and vital opportunity to lead new generations of Catholics by modeling the ways in which we can be church outside of the walls of the institution.

Newer generations, who were raised in an individualistic, post-communal world, would benefit from learning how build communities that will sustain them. Catholic laity, and women religious in particular, could teach new generations about the importance of a spiritual charism and contemplative life for fostering strength and endurance, which is so crucial to working on the margins.

Together we need to explore the ways in which we are already church, and to enhance the opportunities to become more fully church. We need to discover what sacred experiences we are hungering for and what brings us the more abundant life that Jesus taught us to seek. Together we need to recognize that the church we seek is already alive among us whenever and however we live the Gospel of the Love.

We may create smaller, more intimate communities. But what may seem like a marginalized version of church will have profound sacramental power.

Yes we should seek liberation from the margins of the church in the same way that we would seek liberation for others who live under oppressive political, social or cultural forces.

Liberation from the margins of the church takes many forms. For some it means staying in and continuing the fight. For others it means creating visionary church communities outside the walls of the institution. There is no better way, or right way, no weaker way or stronger way. The only criteria is whether this work deepens our love for another, bring about the life of God more fully in our community and helps to attune our vision to see God’s at work in our in our world.

Whatever path we take to liberate ourselves and one another from the margins of the institutional church, we must not overlook the grace of dwelling on the margins. The margins orient us; they keep us accountable. They tell us if we are falling into the world of exclusion and control--that world that only snuffs out the presence of God. The margins remind us where God’s true power lies.

If we should die before we see real justice in the institutional church, we can know that we dwelt in holiness because God was there with us. Because that is were God lives. That is where we see the face of Jesus. That is where we first saw and continue to see our vision of a just and true church.
Because when the hierarchy marginalizes the people of God, the hierarchy marginalizes God, too.

Most importantly, the margins remind us of Jesus’ truest and deepest calling: feed one another. They remind us of an lesson so beautifully preserved in the story of Louise Lears’s 85 year old mother: The more church institutions and hierarchies continue to starve us, so much greater is God’s call for us to use our bodies -— our very lives —- to be bread for one another.

[Jamie L. Manson received her Master of Divinity degree from Yale Divinity School where she studied Catholic theology and sexual ethics. Her columns for NCR earned her a first prize Catholic Press Association award for Best Column/Regular Commentary in 2010.]

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A loving and profound message

A loving and profound message that speaks to me where I am right now with the church. Letting my anger go and focusing my love and energy on my church, the one that we create together, which has very little to do with the church of institutional Catholicism. They are increasingly irrelevant. I am blessed that I have a parish in NYC where I can help actualize that church. Many, many Catholics have a harder way to go. Bless you.

GRACE IN THE CENTER !!

GRACE IN THE CENTER !! .......... Thank you so much, Jamie, for your beautiful, profound and moving remarks. Please always remember that Jesus and his diciples were always "downstairs church people". The Sadducees and Pharisees grabbed the "upstairs" places, as the current Roman clique, puppet bishops and "Catholic 1%" big donors now do.

The current challenge to bring the Church hierarchy "downstairs" is formidable. The Roman clique is relentless in its goal of downsizing the Church to an imperial cult with enough wealth and power to support indefinitely the Roman puppet masters and their puppet bishops in the regal lifestyle the fight so hard to preserve. Even the destruction of thousands of defenseless children's lives through protecting priest sexual abuse is acceptable as collateral damage of their lust for power and wealth.

The various components of the papal strategy are becoming clearer: arcane liturgy, weird theology, military-style chain of command, brutal suppression of alternative voices, subjugation of women (especially theologians), attacks on homosexuals, unlimited expenditures for lobbyists, lawyers and apologists, favoritism towards wealthy donors, celebration of clericalism and clerical "heroes" like Karol Wojtyla, etc.

Jamie's struggle with clericalism is only symptomatic of the Church's overall inability to deal honestly with clericalism and sexuality. For an excellent short analysis of this by worldwide Catholicism's top clinician on treating abusive priest and bishops , please read the new article accessible by clicking on at:

http://www.richardsipe.com/Miscl/2011-10-15-mother_church.htm

For more information on how the Roman strategy is aimed mainly at protecting the interests of the upstairs Church, please see the NCR comment and relevant cross links under the comment heading, "WHILE THE CHURCH DIES", accessible by clicking on at:

http://ncr.online.org/news/global/vatican-note-urges-world-finance-refor... .

CORRECT LINK .............

CORRECT LINK ............. Oops! The correct link is to the comment under the heading, "WHILE THE CHURCH DIES" , accessible at

http://ncronline.org/news/global/vatican-note-urges-world-finance-reform... .

Wow, this was one of the best

Wow, this was one of the best articles on faith that I have read. There are two key lessons that I took from this: (1) that the laity have extraordinary sacramental power that the hierarchy seems to forget about. Even the Church teachings are supposed to have the consensus of the faithful before they become True teachings, but lately the Vatican seems bent on one way direction. And (2) let the anger go and focus on what I can do to help my parish and Church. I am still working on letting the anger go when I consider what the Church allowed to happen by covering up child rape, but I don't let that interfere with my teaching at Sunday School, where I can focus on the Bible and Scripture.

I think you might be

I think you might be misinterpreting the term "extraordinary" which means out of the ordinary. The ordinary minister for communion would be the priest or deacon, then someone else beginning with an instituted acolyte. We laity do not have any out of the ordinary powers to do anything. When two people enter into marriage the two getting married are the ordinary ministers of that sacrament, not extraordinary. Likewise the bishop is the ordinary minister of the sacrament of holy orders. It has been recorded that at some point some abbots of monasteries did ordain a few priests.

You are correct, I was not

You are correct, I was not using extraordinary in the way you described. I was using it in a more general way in order to express my frustration at the way the priests and bishops seem to view the laity as a bunch of dumb sheep who should be seen and not heard.

Thank you Jamie. You are

Thank you Jamie. You are obviously exercising the priesthood granted to you through Baptism. It is noteworthy that this priesthood is the only one spoken of in the Neew Testament. We cannot all sit around and wait for the
light to dawn on the more hierarchically oriented. Gods people will move on
in good faith to prepare the way. Right now history is being righted and eventually the institutional church will come to realize that much has already
changed. No one today stands in fear of authority. Authority does work but only when it commands respect. The recent revelations regarding the real
meaning of 'communio' as in 'omerta' have done nothing to help and in fact
scandalizes the institution Christ through Paul founded. There is only one
Church, One Christ and One Body. All christians are part of the Church.
Preaching Primus inter Pares has failed. It is essentially a logical contradiction. We are equal or we are not. Christ said feed my lambs, feed my sheep... he did not say feed some of my lambs or some of my sheep. God bless your priestly work Jamie and bless all those whose lives you touch daily.
Your Fellow Traveller
TomC.

Just because you have what

Just because you have what you think is a good idea , doesn't give you the right to be disobey, Blessed John Paul II made it clear that the church would not and could not ordain women! That is about as clear as I need it !!!!!!

Six exclamation points!

Six exclamation points! Impressive, "Anonymous"!

Forgive them, because they do

Forgive them, because they do not know better. As they lack arguments, exclamation points are useful.

Exclamation points aside,

Exclamation points aside, Anonymous remains quite correct.

It may be as clear as you and

It may be as clear as you and Anonymous need and I respect your sharing that. But, for many of us,it is hardly reason to think of the subject as "clear". I know that may distrube you and some may tell us that we should not call ourselves "Catholics" because of it. We've heard it many times before. Yet, we see some aspects of the church differently and feel that the Holy Spirit desires us to remain as participating members of The R.C. Church, even if we are marginalized.

May you know the love of The Risen Lord and may this knowledge bring you peace and joy.

John David.

Thank you, Jamie, for sharing

Thank you, Jamie, for sharing your wonderful charisms of faith, wisdom, fortitude, prudence, and hope. May God continue to bless you in your ministry of writing, teaching, and living the Gospel. I feel so blessed to be in your company. I so look forward to reading your columns, and this exhortation inspires me. You are so good.

Thank You for this insightful

Thank You for this insightful and touching article. After many years of looking for some change to occur - my husband and I decided that for our gay son's sake we could not stay in the RCC - we joined a very lovely Episcopalian Church.

I must say personally that you are an inspiration. I wish you every blessing and as I continue to mourn for the loss of my former RCC parish it is good to know that you and others like you will speak up for what is right.

Whatever happens in the future - I k now that you will be always in the protective graces of Lord Jesus and Our Blessed Mother

God Bless You

I would encourage every

I would encourage every Catholic denied communion as a punishment for remarrying without an annulment to ignore the ban. The odds are the priest won't have any idea of your marital status in any case, so why be an enabler? If the priest refuses communion to your neighbor, share your Host. Why should the rest of us be enablers?

Turning the Eucharist into a

Turning the Eucharist into a tool of protest is sinful at best.

It isn't turning it into

It isn't turning it into anything but rather recognizing it as the greatest expression of love.

If you truly loved the person

If you truly loved the person then you would want them to be reconciled with the Church, not participating in sacrilege. If a person is not living in communion with the Church, only that person can initiate reconciliation. You can't reconcile someone for them.

If we truly loved them we

If we truly loved them we wouldn't deny them Christ and the healing of full Eucharistic celebration.

just go to the Spanish Mass

just go to the Spanish Mass in the poorest neighborhood and be received in LOve, people happy to see you overjoyed just showing up

I recently dropped my cable

I recently dropped my cable company and chose a new company because I was unhappy with the cable company I had. Likewise, I now have a new primary care physician because I was disenchanted with my former doctor. I am very happy with the Catholic Church, but, if I were not, I would not complain or say "I cannot take anymore." I would simply find a new church that meets my needs. Choice is wonderful. A whole parish of Episcopalians decided to enter the Catholic Church. They made a choice because they were not happy with their church.

I cannot understand why anyone would stay in a church when there are so many denominations from which to choose. The Catholic Church is not going to change. One would change anything else in one's life that caused grief. Why should a church be different?

I suppose there was a time

I suppose there was a time when people thought the Catholic Church would always be against usury or always in favor of slavery or always would say that sexual pleasure is always sinful, or would always argue that the constitutional separation of church and state was evil, or would always be opposed to religious freedom. But you know what, the Church changed its views on all these things, and it can change lots more. As the great Cardinal Newman wrote, "here below to live is to change, and to be perfect is to change often."

Not to change is to die.

Not to change is to die. Everything in nature changes. If you truly believe the Church has not changed I invite you to re-read the Church History books. I also suspect, if you live in the United States, that you do not always agree with the policies and procedures of our government, I further suspect you haven't left the country. Why is it whenever someone within the Church calls for a change those who resist it suggest them to leave and find another? With that kind of attitude you would also say the same to Galileo for opposing the Church's view that the earth was the center of the universe. Or would you also tell someone who opposed slavery in the 17th century that they too should leave the Church because the Church supported the idea of slavery. For God's sake, use the brain and common sense God gave you.....why do you fear change such much? Trust God!

Death is a change and for a

Death is a change and for a religion change is the death of credibility.Either you are right about the eternally inalterable laws of God or you aren't,but if you "change with the times" you are a fraud.

"I cannot understand why

"I cannot understand why anyone would stay in a church when there are so many denominations from which to choose."

I have a one-word anser for you, "Anonymous": "Vocation." I don't drop my wife like I would a cable company just because she has faults (and I won't even attempt to explain why she doesn't drop me for the same reason).

I do, however, firmly believe you when you say you can't understand. You speak of choice. What makes you think one chooses one's vocations?

A vocation is something you

A vocation is something you love. Whole parishes of Episcopalians have discovered that the vocation they loved has betrayed them, and they entered the Church as a parish. The Catholic Church will never change its teaching on same sex marriage or on women's ordination. If one feels betrayed by the Catholic Church, one should follow the example of our Episcopal bretheren and join s church that belives what the former Catholic believes

Jamie, What a wonderful

Jamie,

What a wonderful speech! I will remember the story of the 85 year old woman giving her daughter communion for the rest of my life! I always enjoy your columns, but this one was a classic. You give me hope for the Church!

Sue J. Hoffman

Just remember that what

Just remember that what happened is "profanation of the Eucharist" according to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church,which are not subject to debate or alteration by those professing membership,but the measure by their adherence to them of the sincerity of their profession to be members.

I am Louise Lears' sister who

I am Louise Lears' sister who stood right behind her on that devastating Sunday - a devastating day that was transformed into a day of beauty by the congregation of her church who provided such a bounteous feast to Louise. We, the "laypeople" fed her and she was full - full of food and full of grace. And Louise remains that way to the present day despite so many obstacles planted by the hierarchy of the Church. Louise went through the expensive and, at times, agonizing process of appealing the interdict. She and her canon lawyer filed all of the appropriate paperwork to appeal her "sentence" and, three years later, have yet to hear a response. This is a travesty. And so many other stories like Louise's remain unheard. Thank you, Jamie Manson, for telling this story and for reminding us that we, the laypeople, have great sacramental power and can and should be bread for one another.

Ms Mason's was the most

Ms Mason's was the most inspiring Christian "treatise" I've read lately. But at its heart is your sister's story. I was so moved... May God make flourish in such a barren ground many like her, her family and her community. God bless all of you!

What a heart-warming, hopeful

What a heart-warming, hopeful reflection, Jamie. You enabled me to move from anger to hope and I thank you.

The story of Sr. Louise

The story of Sr. Louise Lears' mother calls for a full-hearted and full-throated "Amen!" However, in my opinion, what begins as an engaging and edifying address, unfortunately turns into a rant.
I'm sorry but to say,"I was never held in the same esteem as my priest colleagues because of my unordained and unordainable body" is patently ridiculous. As a priest for almost thirty years, I can cite any number of women in ministry, who enjoyed esteem and respect well beyond that of their ordained colleagues. That may have something to do with their not being preoccupied with esteem and respect.
I find myself asking what kind of esteem is meant. Is it the need or desire for "an engraved ticket...and a life of privilege and relative isolation," or the need to compensate for lack of self-esteem?
We simply are not a "church that only respects male authority," and such statements should not go unchallenged. The overwhelming majority of people ministering "on the margins", whether within the institution or not, are not and should be preoccupied about "being excluded from the church’s center of power."
Manson's lack of critical and self-critical analysis are bound to alienate many, who might indeed be sympathetic to certain of her experiences and conclusions.

Dear rev james curran, And

Dear rev james curran, And you are a Roman Catholic priest? Perhaps your complete Roman Catholic training was remiss?

Catechism of the Catholic

Catechism of the Catholic Church 2359: Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

The virtue of chastity comes under the cardinal virtue of temperance, which seeks to permeate the passions and appetites of the senses with reason.

Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

All the baptized are called to chastity. The Christian has "put on Christ,the model for all chastity. All Christ's faithful are called to lead a chaste life in keeping with their particular states of life. At the moment of his Baptism, the Christian is pledged to lead his affective life in chastity.

"Angel baby" appears to be a

"Angel baby" appears to be a very conservative Catholic.

Chastity is not necessarily celibacy. Catholics born with homosexual tendencies have historically been told that their sexual desires alone are unnatural and therefore sinful, whereas heterosexuals have been taught that their sexual desires are natural and therefore morally indifferent. Chastity is the virtue we employ to control sexual desires.

Heterosexuals have the sacramental union of marriage. In that union they are allowed and encouraged to practice the virtue of chastity in satisfying their secual desires for the good of their spouse and themselves in the sharing and strengthening of their love. Often this results in a sharing of God's creative power by bringing new life into this world. Some heterosxuals choose a voluntary life of celibacy. Most of the time this is not imposed by any external force.

Homosexuals unfortunately have been denied the sacramental union of marriage. And in that denial they are expected to surpress, ignore, self-condemn and deny their natural sexual desires. Most homosexuals find involuntary celibacy an impossible burden and find it difficult to believe God has imposed this on their lives even though our Church does. They long for a life partner,as do most heterosexuals, and finding one they live together in intimate relationship but outside the official union of marriage. Here is where the appearance of lack of chastity shocks the "conservative' population.

The answer lies in not condemning the homosexual but in realizing that a person born with homosexual tendencies is created by God, equal to any heterosexual, and should not be excluded from full participation in our church which would mean allowing that person to receive the sacraments, especially the Sacrament of Marriage.

All homosexual activity must

All homosexual activity must be condemned,this is not a condemnation of persons any more than kleptomaniacs are "discriminated against" by laws against stealing.That a desire is natural does not exempt it from being disordered.It is abandonment of homosexuals to treat them as incapable of overcoming their desires and realizing their unfitness to be gratified.

Yet another reason to ban

Yet another reason to ban communion in the hand.

As far as I'm concerned all

As far as I'm concerned all of this is balderdash. The language is sickeningly sweet and twee and has no merit in Theology. Some of the commentators speak of the big bad Pharisees and saducees and yet they seem to have no idea what was going on at the historical time and what Jesus, the Son of God - not a hippy who promoted flower power, was trying to do or say. Christ established a Church through his Apostles, not a democracy filled with twee sayings. Do priests and bishops get things wrong at times - yes - look at St Peter - the first Pope (in case you forgot who he was). However, the Roman Catholic Church has endured for 2000years and will endure until the end of time despite the attacks from inside and out.
Oh and as for your lovely, caring stories of Lear's mother and sister and parish - they have all committed a sacrilege and therefore may not receive the Eucharist (the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ - you have definitely forgotten that by the way you told the story)until they have gone to confession and make a true confession.
God bless, it will be interesting to see if the filtering monitor will post this or whether they will back out as normal.

Dear Jamie Manson, Thank you

Dear Jamie Manson,

Thank you for your words of wisdom...I have been a Catholic in exile and on the margins for so very long....by your witness you have spoken to my heart in a very profound way...your story moved me to tears... a true healing for me....may the sacred fire of your spirit grow and consume more of the darkness found in our Church....Thank You!

Regarding: "And she figured

Regarding: "And she figured out that secret that the hierarchy doesn’t want any of us to know: lay people have extraordinary sacramental power."

- Thus is the nature of the households of faith, the domestic churches.

Regarding: "Though I did my very best to serve the community, I was never held in the same esteem as my priest colleagues because of my unordained and unordainable body."

- Perhaps the perspective is awry. Rarely are clergy held with the same respect due to the heads of domestic churches or due to the People of God who remain in the parish doing God's work as the clerics come and go doing what they need to do. Rarely have the clergy earned this level of respect.

- Ordination is an important sacrament but it does not 'beat out' the other sacraments, such as marriage. The best way to model that esteem is not incumbent to a man because he is ordained is to stop acting as if the expectation for that type of esteem is worthy of acknowledgement.

All those in the Church who

All those in the Church who support the abomination of the priestess should be driven out of the Catholic Church, period! The time for a real house cleaning in the Church is long past due!

I suppose the thread is

I suppose the thread is wearing thin. I am asked to believe that the church
is absolutely unchangeable. Well, I am 70 now and I have to share a few realities. I grew up in ireland in the age of the unchangeable church. I moved
to England at 18 and found to my horror that Catholicism there was nothing like what I was used to. A few years later I moved to the U.S.A and found quite another form of Catholic Expression. The truth is that everything, church included is in a state of change. To say anything else is to promote
a very naive understanding of our universe.
Relax foks and view the reality we live in. Step one please view the chart
here http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/human_p... After you come to terms with this trend you might begin
to understand that something is basically beyond our control. Fortunately or Ubfortunately "Nature" is and will continue to take over. Control mechanisms
we do not adequately underestand will operate to guarantee the survival of the
species. These include things like famine, disease, and genetic alterations.
Viewed calmly one should be grateful for homosexuality and gender change. At
the very least they are methods which will more humanely deal with the obvious
problem of overpopulation. There is nothing unnatural taking place here, in fact it is all too natural. Had you any familiarity with rat and mouse experiments common in animal psychology you would know that concentrating rat
populations in a small area immediately causes homosexual behavior in the males. Most notable fact is that after they are released to a larger compound
the homosexualized males stay that way. Removing these alterations from the
religious myths about natural and unnatural and 'objective' nonsense can only lead to a more realistic subjective underatanding of our world. The elephant
in the room is being ignored in favour of petty and quite irrational stances
about matters to which nature is quite indifferent. Our 7 Billion population
level is apt to tripple of more in the coming generation. Please do not imagine for a moment that nature will not react. A fair warning might be the
great study done some years back on an island near Alaska where 8 deer were
placed as an experiment to see what would happen. Well 8 exploded to some
300 very quickly. Then after a cold winter and a visit to the island to check
on conditions they found 8 deer. The message is clear, lets talk about our
collective future on the planet. Let the little stuff lie. Popes and peasants are all subject to the same laws of survival. Nature is not cruel, the problem is its is absolutely indifferent. The only constant in our universe is change itself. No Pope has ever controlled it least of all among is own chosen, the clergy. Belief in God is a wonderful thing. The downside can ofen
be that we fail to understand the gift of life and consciousness and avoid
the intended responsibility in favor of following orders as though that will
make everything alright. It won't. Our own church's penchant for breeding
souls for heaven will literally bring our world to an end. I thank God in his wisdom for removing 'nature' from our purvey. Religion is nice but fuzzy, Physics is exact but its clarity is frightening.
God Bless us all and fogive us our misconceptions.
TomC.

As a woman and a member of

As a woman and a member of the younger generation, it is precisely the notions expressed in this article that are driving people away from the Church. The author is fighting to create a church, and by corollary a god, in her own image. Young people don't want a fickle, culture-driven religion. They want truth. The "deposit of faith" contains unchanged truth that has weathered two millenia guided by the Holy Spirit; Truth that speaks boldly on the inherent impossibility of ordaining women and the purpose and beauty of human sexuality. The Church should be shaping culture not vice versa. In a nutshell, if I can't trust the Pope to be infallible, why should I trust this author?

PS Violating interdict and breaking the Eucharist apart, undoubtedly causing fragments to fall to the ground, it is disturbing at best and sacrilege at worst.

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