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Set-decorator Catholicism: The common traits of set-decorators
Part Two of Two
The first common characteristic of set-decorators is their affinity for surfaces. Professing commitment to the depths of the faith, they are obsessed with rustling cassocks, billowing capes, sounding bells and bows, the stuff, in short, with which they can redecorate the set of hierarchical Catholicism. If they build it, these clerics believe, the people will come.
Secondly, they share a bristling confidence that they are the defenders of the faith out to rid the church of Vatican II heresies, such as the laity’s participation in the administration and ministry of the church. Thirdly, they exhibit a kind of pride of the regiment in perceiving themselves as the last of the just and the first of a new generation of true believers whose zeal for their Father’s House earns them places of honor in a restored 1920’s ecclesiastical kingdom.
Fourthly, they are highly judgmental of any persons who dare to disagree with them and intolerant of anyone who seems curious about or bold enough to question their decisions. They characteristically spend money as they wish, and, disbanding or ignoring parish councils, feel no need for the advice or consent of their parishioners, often expensively refurbishing their own offices and making changes in Church décor to suit their pre-Vatican II mentalities.
Fifthly, they rationalize their autocratic commands as theologically justified when many times their claims about theology or even Church law are misstated or exaggerated. Removing symbolic Stations of the Cross, one such cleric spuriously claimed that they violated Canon Law. In replacing a modern carved crucifix of Jesus resurrected with one gory enough to please Mel Gibson, this pastor joined himself to the set-decorators who hold that Catholicism flows from Jesus’ crucifixion rather than his resurrection.
Next, although one must sympathize with such set-decorators, they seem uncomfortable with intimacy in general and with closeness with women in particular. Women, as the fresh-from-Rome priest explained on Holy Thursday, stand at the lowest and least level of God’s hierarchical structure of the human species. First priests, then men-in-general, and finally woman, sorry, that’s the way it is. “Priests,” he explained, “have different souls than lay people.”
This presumption of their ontological superiority explains why set-decorators treat their people as if they were children to be set right rather than as theologically informed adults to be nourished in their understanding of their faith. God wills their superiority over mere lay people, as they see it, so that Father, Monsignor, or Bishop always knows best and no deviation from their judgments is allowed.
Set-decorators therefore expect lay people to relate upwards to them from their inferior position in the hierarchical display. Like turtles, these clergy peer out from the hardened carapace of clericalism, pulling back inside whenever they pick up the scent of life-altering intimacy. The dark chill clerical shell shields them from intimacy’s inevitable challenge to change themselves. They feel threatened by and retreat from any relationship they cannot control.
Celibacy therefore serves them well because it seemingly -- but only seemingly -- provides a noble rationalization for their keeping laypeople at a safe distance through their defensive controlling style. Celibate clericalism is very different from the celibacy expressed in the lives of the healthy majority of priests who are at ease in equal relationships with others.
Lastly, sharing a sense of entitlement to the rewards of the higher clerical state, these priests live in the gated community of Hierarchical Heights and long to climb Mount Episcopus. Clericalism is a kind of scarlet fever marked by longings for robes trimmed with that color, although purple will do. There is no known cure for this infection whose prime symptoms include a restless anticipation that higher ecclesiastical honors may come in the morning mail.
Set-decorators cannot follow the Gospel injunction to be “single-eyed” because they keep one eye on what they are doing and the other on how their actions are received by their bishop. Many manifest the characteristics of the puer aeternus, the psychologically under-developed male who carries the romantic self-centeredness of this adjustment into his adult life. Set-decoration is to them what Fantasy Football is to the eternal boys in the culture at large, a safe Peter Pan-like excursion that insulates them every day’s unforgiving demands.
These priests do not relate easily to parishioners who have put away the things of childhood to live an adult faith. These fastidious new clerics prefer unquestioning loyalists who apparently like being treated as if they were children. Confirmed clerics peer out their doll house windows at a world they judge to be as sinful as it is secular.
They prefer the calm of their carefully constructed set on which they play with people, as children do with toy soldiers, designing missions and destinies for each of them and putting them back in their box when they tire of them. For the classic set-decorator, the people are time consuming impediments and distractions from their main interest, getting ahead in the church.
Blowin’ in the Wind
You don’t have to be a weatherman to know that set-decoration has invaded the atmosphere of the church. Has the pressing need for priests made Church leaders more willing to accept candidates who are more comfortable in the past than they are in the future? Will priests with an appetite for exercising power over their people be included among those considered for leadership positions in the future?
Where does the capacity for making healthy relationships rank in the criteria for candidates for ministry in the Church? And with the numbers of Catholics steadily increasing, do the leaders of Catholicism imagine that they will be content with the scenarios of set-decoration as a substitute for healthy sacramental pastoral care?
Does the classic set-decorator’s flight into the past with its side-effect symptoms of the virtual sex abuse of Catholics suggest the urgency of thoroughly assessing the ministerial needs and resources of the Catholic Church in America?
America’s Catholic leaders seem to accept the autocrats now sitting at many rectory breakfast tables in the name of refurbishing their own authority. They understand, perhaps in a glass darkly, the damage they suffered by managing the problem of sex abuse in the same way that other institutions did in that long era in which the culture protected the Professional while ignoring the damage to or the rights of the Victim. Victims were only identified and their rights acknowledged in relatively recent times.
That approach, always recommended by public relations advisers, lawyers, and insurers, failed the bishops in a long shielded sex abuse crisis among priests that became public in the era of heightened awareness of the suffering and loss of Victims. The bishops then appeared to be what they are not -- heartless in their readiness to reassign priest predators after hospital or clinic treatment supposedly cleared them for action in parishes uninformed of their past behavior.
Most of the bishops now anxious to restore their credibility would be surprised, not to say amazed, to learn that they are ordaining and placing their hopes in some men who are more subtle than but nonetheless psychological twins to the priests whose incomplete personal growth lay coiled at the heart of the sex abuse scandal.
When popes or prelates speak of a remnant Church, one that is much smaller and yet uniform in its profession of faith, they are rationalizing the kind of exclusive cohort of passive believers for whom a significant subset of the clergy are decorating the set of contemporary Catholicism. Its emergence may give bishops an illusory sense of restoring their authority but it is actually widening the gap between them and thousands of theologically informed Catholics who will not accept being demeaned and humiliated as the price of their worshipping in parishes administered by set-decorators.
The healthy, theologically sophisticated Catholics who belong to such movements as the Voice of the Faithful or Future Church, love the Church, want to support good priests, and are not leading a revolution against their bishops whose authority they respect and with whom they seek to collaborate in building the 21st century Church.
The bishops and many priests, however, are hesitant to meet with members of such groups and in various ways, such as denying them meeting room on Catholic property, indicate their apparent fear that its members are heretics or worse. The leadership of the official Church appears to be less comfortable relating to adult lay Catholics than they are to immature members of the clergy.
Nobody can talk bishops into a better collegial relationship with adult Catholics and nobody can talk them out of a lesser hierarchical relationship with adolescent clergy. The latter are giving artificial respiration to an authoritarian, exclusive Church that looms like a Flying Dutchman, under full sail but empty, on the horizon. Mature Catholics are willing to be born again but they are not ready to be abused as children again.
While growth in Catholicism over the next decade will be a function of increased Hispanic members, recent studies have documented an ongoing drift of thousands of traditionally American Catholics away from abuse by the set-decorator class of the clergy.
Whether these Catholics leave in sorrow or in anger they are ready to find other churches in which to worship or to begin to develop liturgies of their own, celebrations offered by a person that they choose to preside over a Eucharist they endorse. Many Catholics who never thought that they would go along with such a departure from the practiced routine of the Church now contemplate it as preferable to the demeaning atmosphere generated by the set-decorating class.
We might sum up the problem and its cure in this way: Church officials might well listen more to the Catholics they currently don’t trust and trust less the clergy to whom they currently listen.
The emergence of the set-decorating class of the clergy provides an opportunity for the bishops to convene the plenary council they scratched from their agenda a few years ago. In such a gathering they would hear the voices of the healthy majority of Catholics on whom the future of the Church depends. A meeting held in the sunlight and fresh air of the transparency the bishops claim as an ideal would give them the chance, on their own, to observe the dangerous immaturity of a subset of their currently active priests.
The information that would be shared at such a meeting would dispel the notion of a vocational shortage. There may be a shortfall of clerics but the thousands of lay people who have been trained in and are active in parish ministry suggest that there is no shortage of men and women who feel called to serve the Church.
It is from the ranks of these healthy people that, in the tradition of St. Augustine, the candidates for the future priesthood should be selected by the members of each parish. That will eliminate that dependence on a vague internal voice bidding someone to enter the seminary. These voices can arise from uncertain sources and, as with set-decorators, may be expressions of a need to dominate rather than a readiness to serve others. The candidates chosen by the people can then be presented to the bishop who is the true author of the call, or “vocation,” to ordination.
The bishops need not wait to initiate moves that would strengthen their own authority and meet the need for healthy sacramental ministers at the same time. Canon lawyers do not believe that there is any impediment to ordaining permanent deacons to the priesthood.
These men are known quantities, most of them are married with families and all have theological training and experience. The bishops can, with such a move, guarantee the availability of the sacraments, allay the fears of many Catholics that the Church will not be there to serve future generations, and eliminate the virtual sex abuse committed by the set-decorator clergy who are not even aware of how they are dominated by ill-understood needs to pull themselves up by putting others down.
No permission from the Holy See is necessary to carry out this program that would strengthen the Church, relieve the tension between bishops and their people, and eliminate the dynamics responsible for the real and the virtual sex abuse crisis. The bishops can be confident that they serve the Church and the Pope well if they cast a vote for the health and holiness of the Church if they stop trusting the set-decorating clergy they now listen to and start listening to the good Catholics that they presently do not trust.
Back to Chicago, November 1986
…The actors and other members of the production team immediately break out of the make-believe to head for the airport to get home for the holiday ahead. The vintage automobiles are loaded onto car haulers, the newspaper bundles are scooped up and workers in overalls strike the set like bored children ordered to pick up their toys, collecting the lamps and chairs, folding up the putting green and packing them for storage. The stunning remembrance of times past created for The Untouchables dissolves as mists and mirages do in the rising sun. Ask Marcel Proust; he can tell you that no matter how artfully you regain the past you cannot really live there…
[Eugene Cullen Kennedy is emeritus professor of psychology at Loyola University, Chicago.]
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For the first part of Eugene Cullen Kennedy's 'Set-decorator Catholicism,' see:
Set-decorator Catholicism: clericalism thrives in a new phase of the sex abuse crisis






Gene, You have nailed it
Gene, You have nailed it again. Here in the Browsnville, Texas diocese I am familiar that two newly ordained priests are proof of what you state. I wouldn't try to set a number, but the retrenchment is also there among priests ordained much longer.
Eugene Kennedy’s style and
Eugene Kennedy’s style and content of his article are a perfect example of what is undoing the Church in North America and Western Europe.
He confuses paradigms, hence twists the meaning of words and images at will. He constantly switches back and forth between the worlds of polemics and theological reasoning, between passive-aggressive cynicism and critique, and between slogans and theological insights. He imposes his personal jungle of emotions on the reader. His writing is like a Freudian dream analysis, and has very little to do with reasoned theological or social investigation of issues involving the Christian community.
Lack of clarity in interpersonal and inter-communal communication is a recipe for disaster. The main contributor to lack of clarity in communication is confusion of paradigms (willingly or unwillingly). Therefore, Kennedy in writing this kind of article is greatly contributing to the confusion, deepening of distrust, animosity and division within the church. Reading the article I do not see concern for the church. The concern I see expressed is for his personal feelings about the church. The concern is not about fin ding out, preserving and handing down the basic Christian paradigm that can form us into God’s image and likeness, rather it is about how Kennedy could form the church into his image and likeness.
This inevitable will lead to conflicts with other personal opinions about how the church should be formed, to someone else’s image and likeness: hence the infighting, the mocking, the belittling, the distrust, the division.
Perhaps, as a retired professor of psychology, he is very good at dream analysis, but he certainly is not very good at analyzing social/theological issues and doing theology. He should stick with what he is good at. I am sure he would be equally disapproving if I would publish a lengthy analysis with “you should believe it” solutions about the current issues of the science of psychology and the current problems involving the mental health community.
I have to say that Kennedy
I have to say that Kennedy does indeed know what he is talking about. I am a pastoral minister a local parish holding a Master's Degree in ministry. Consequently, I have a good theological background and have years of work experience in churches and have had the pleasure and frustration of working with many priests.
Case in point, right now, where I am currently employed we have a wonderful pastor who is truly attuned to the needs of his parishioners. He stresses that the people are the Church and seeks their needs and desires above his own while at the same time taking care to direct and guide them in their spiritual lives and the understanding of their faith. Recently, a young, newly ordained man was assigned as assistant pastor. He came here with his new, very elaborate, expensive, and yes, gaudy, vestments that money could buy. One of his most early sermons was to harangue people for leaving Mass early. Nealy all homilies focus on sin, evil and the devil. Everything must be done according to the letter of the law and has to be backed with something right from the Roman Ritual or Catechism. His is a fear based theology. He appeals, as Kennedy pointed out, to a few who find some security in that kind of faith. Most others, as well as the pastor, are more than frustrated with him. And I can promise you this new priest is not an isolated case. I can name many other new priests like him.
Again, I have to say that Kennedy hit the nail on the head. How can anyone not see it?
Oh yeah. Kennedy is always
Oh yeah. Kennedy is always right, everybody is wrong. Hah!
I guess if we keep getting greater numbers of seminarians, Kennedy has to try to destroy the church some other way...how about calling names and making things up about the young seminarians?
I guess "set-decorating" doesn't apply to the priests of the 1970s, huh? They just had to destroy the "sets" that were there, to put up their own "sets" (just, Merv griffin style"). cue the pottery chalices.
What's wrong with pottery?
What's wrong with pottery?
Wrong with pottery? : )
Wrong with pottery? : )
Nothing wrong with pottery itself, just plenty with pottery chalices being used at Mass. Bring on the felt banners! Bring on the wailing and whining vocalists! How about some vestments with really groovy decorations. How about chucking out all those saint statues? Chop 'em up and bury them in the cemetery! (this actually happened in parish I know well).
No "set-decorating" going on here, no sirree!
noncanonical as chalices?
noncanonical as chalices? although w are earthen vessels, cue the saint louis jesuits
"methinks that the man doth
"methinks that the man doth protest too much."
Paul Dion on Jul. 07, 2011.
Paul Dion on Jul. 07, 2011.
You stated:
("methinks that the man doth protest too much.")
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Not unless you have run into these fops in cassocks!
Sticks and stones...
Sticks and stones...
Indeed, we had one seminarian
Indeed, we had one seminarian who asked many people were he might be able to find some "manly lace" to decorate his alb and surpluce.
Tell that seminarian who is
Tell that seminarian who is looking for manly lace to go to the places where Episcopalians buy their liturgical duds.
That is wrong! Now where can
That is wrong! Now where can I find some manly rainbow burlap outerstoles to place over my polyester?
So, Paul, what is your idea
So, Paul, what is your idea of the right amount of protest?
As for myself, Professor Kennedy's metaphor is right on target. I thank him for it and I'd be willing to bet the great majority of good clerics do too.
Well for one thing if you are
Well for one thing if you are going to protest- let it be about something true.
The priests at the heart of the pedophile scandal are the very priests (the Vatican II era) that the author wants to canonize.
The article is just plain odd.
Check again because most of
Check again because most of the clergy to whom you refer were ordained in the late 50s. Check also the records of the LA archdiocese which has released records going back to the 1920s.
Sorry, the allegations peaked
Sorry, the allegations peaked in the 60's and 70's but the majority of the abusers were graduates of pre Vatican II seminaries.
But those seminaries were
But those seminaries were already spreading the modernism and heresies that have plagued us for these 5 decades. Do you think everyone was orthodox and faithful and then the switch was pulled and they went crazy?
No actually I don't think
No actually I don't think that at all. I think, if there was a switch pulled, it was that the sexual revolution allowed abuse victims the freedom to deal with their abuse and come forward. I think clerical sexual abuse has gone on for centuries but that in the current case, the freedom to report also coincided with the peak in post world war II seminarians. Most of those men were not exposed to the thinking of Vatican II. All you need do is ask them. The kinds of 'modernist thinking' you refer to were certainly available in theology departments for post graduates, but it was rarely a part of seminary education.
I'm not sure about that. I
I'm not sure about that. I know of one priest who was quite conservative and who exposed himself to a young man during a pre-nuptial interview. Most of the offenders were trained in the era before the Council if I'm not mistaken. A priest can spout the most orthodox of theology and yet lead a double life. A certain very well known priest speaker comes to mind as does the founder of a very conservative religious order.
"(The) approach, always
"(The) approach, always recommended by public relations advisers, lawyers, and insurers, .... to reassign priest predators after hospital or clinic treatment (which) supposedly cleared them for action..."
Kennedy left out of this list one very significant group of long trusted "advisors". The mental health community of psycholigists, psychiatrists, pyschotherapists and counselors of all sorts by and large long believed that sexual abusers could be healed through residential programs and various other treatments. They did not do so with callous disregard for victims, but because they honestly believed it.
Mental health experts, along with the rest of us, have graduated from the school of hard knocks and from the (once shocking) discovery that they were so wrong for so long! Meanwhile, it is primarily the Catholic bishops who, rightly or wrongly, have taken the brunt of blame for the flawed wisdom that came from that historically conditioned ignorance shared throughout the broad community of mental health professionals.
Eugene Kennedy, an esteemed member of the profession, should have a clear view from the inside of this story. Why, then, did he give his profession a pass in this essay? More importantly, why does Kennedy, and so many others of his kind, maintain such a deafening collective silence on this matter while others take the heat?
Eugene -- how about it?
Dear mah51, I went to a Roman
Dear mah51,
I went to a Roman Catholic Medical School in the 1960 and was taught that pedophile were not curable!!. It should be noted that the Bishops did not send these men to each diocese social services for help. These services are and were composed of Licensed, Masters of Social Work professionals, many of them trained like I was in catholic institutions that taught there was no cure for the pedophile. The Bishops on the other hand sent their priests to special clinics that were obedient to the Episcopate. Several of these clinics were identified years ago as the Charlatans that they were. Money and obedience were behind the "treatment" of these priest rapists. Those that maintain differently are either in heavy denial or have difficulties elucidating the truth.
Do you think that the Catholic Social workers in each diocese would have let these men go to another parish or diocese to abuse their own Children or Grandchildren. Of course one of the major reasons that these professionals were not used because they were predominantly women. I wonder how many obedient Catholic "psychologists" and "psychiatrists" that the Bishops chose to pay and treat these criminals were women?
No Matter Mr. mah51 you use a specious argument that is not coming to terms with how our bishops practiced enablement of these priests. The Church has a long way to go before it can promote healing when it tries to use such defenses. The Hierarchy could have been nearly over this crisis had they taken the problem seriously, but that would have caused many Episcopal (forced) resignations of what are really criminal Bishops who enable rapists of our Children. This crisis will not go away slowly as Eugene Kennedy points out the current priest are not be chosen for their abilities to have human relationships with others but with the idea of how to segregate themselves into a superior cast of men that they seem to believe is more loved by God. They do not teach that the Church is The People of God, but rather the Church is Peter. They try to put the church in the position of being legal keepers of Canon Law (man's law) not the two most important laws of God to love God and Neighbor. It is a sad state of affairs.
Fortunately, more people are recognizing that the Church is held together by Baptism not a concept of Holy Orders and Consecrations of Bishops. None of these things were even done until several generations after the time of Christ. People are realizing that the MEAL (Eucharist) can be celebrated in homes by two or three or more men and/or women who are attempting to follow in The Way of Christ. The RCC is demonstrating a leadership gone wrong--- one that will not protect the smallest and weakest amongst us, but one that does not want us even to take care of the health of our children or elderly. This leadership is promoting Neo-Con politicians that want to pay for at least two wars not by the taxes of the wealthy, the only ones to benefit from these misadventures but by not giving young children and expectant mothers health care. These politicians that the Bishops support are the very men that want to terminate Medicare and social security. I wonder how much money is being exchanged for this type of support. Kind of like the misuse of Money for the Charlatan "mental health clinics" that "treated" the untreatable pedophiles.
The only plausible reason for this horrible leadership is an attempt at self preservation of what is proving to be indefensible behavior on several fronts. To shame Bishops under all those superficial multicolored feminine robes, we find the leaders without the clothing of personal and institutional integrity. These Bishops are themselves in schism with The People of God.
As the laity we must not enable this unholy and criminal leadership one step further. We must resist them at any and every turn if we are to follow The True Way of Christ's love.
May we gain more grace through the peace that clear understanding from the Spirit rewards us. May She continue to inspire us as it is certain that many if not most Bishops simply are only listening to themselves to defend their own extravagant life styles. Bless them for they like us are truly SINNERS! Go and put Miters and vestments high in the Attic and try to demonstrate some love toward your fellow men. Try, dear Roman Catholic Bishops, to regain a long lost integrity.
R. Dennis Porch, MD
Dr. Porch: Thank you for not
Dr. Porch: Thank you for not allowing the previous comment from mah51 to stand as fact. It has been known for quite a number of decades in the Mental Health community as well as Medical Schools just how difficult it was and is to treat pedophiles. I agree with you that these offending priests were sent by their bishops to therapists and treatment facilities of their own choosing which were beholden to the Episcopate and clinics which had been previously shown to be charlatans. Some other therapists and clinics often were only given limited information about these offending priests. I read a few summaries by therapists that are available on bishopsaccountability.org about offending priests from my diocese, and being a Clinical Social Worker myself, was shocked by the poor quality of some of these summaries/evaluations. So I believe that mah51's accusations of the Mental Health Community at large is not at all accurate.
"I believe that mah51's
"I believe that mah51's accusations of the Mental Health Community at large is not at all accurate."
Uh huh. You will, of course, believe what you want to believe. For example, you and Dr. Porch are obviously inclined to interpret "sexual abuse" as a strict reference to pedophilia. You do so in error.
Sexual abuse, you should understand, covers a great many forms of failed human interactions. What is strictly understood as pedophilia is but a small subset of sexual abuse in its broad meaning. It is also, it should be noted, a small subset of the behaviors which have created the crisis presently faced by the RCC.
My comment referred to the differences involved in the identification, diagnosis and treatment of behavioral problems associated with sexual abuse as these problems have become better understood over the course of the last 50 years.
If you want to only discuss pedophilia, fine. Perhaps you should start your own thread about that.
"I went to a Roman Catholic
"I went to a Roman Catholic Medical School in the 1960 (sic) and was taught that pedophile were (sic) not curable!!.
I believe you. And thank you for helping make my point.
Can you recall in the 1960's what you learned to believe about the incidence of pedophilia and how it was to be distinguished and understood in the context of other behavioral problems like alcohol abuse? And, try to be honest and un-"specious", please.
"Mr. mah51 you use a specious argument that is not coming to terms with how our bishops practiced enablement of these priests."
"Specious", you say? I think not. No, but here's a very good example of specious argumentation:
"...one of the major reasons that these professionals were not used because (sic) they were predominantly women."
Such a claim has so little basis in fact that it begs to be ignored. And I will.
What can't be ignored, however, is the centrality of this baseless claim to your overall argument, which, prescinding from your circular rants about everything from canon law to home eucharist and your personal theories about episcopal schisms, seems to be that at least since the 1960's:
A - Every diocese has always had at its beck and call a full complement of trained mental health professionals.
B - They were, by the way, almost all women.
C - These Catholic educated professionals in every diocese were largely underused by their bishops because those bishops considered them disobedient for the simple reason that they were female.
D - These shunned professionals would have solved the entire problem of clergy sexual misconduct by weeding out pedophile clerics if not for an ominous cadre of evil quacks.
E - These evil scoundrels, like the bishops they colluded with, had no love of children and took money in exchange for helping priests to rape more and more of them.
And finally - all who may dis-believe this finely spun tale "...are either in heavy denial or have difficulties elucidating the truth.
Indeed.
mah51 on Jul. 12, 2011. You
mah51 on Jul. 12, 2011.
You stated:
("I went to a Roman Catholic Medical School in the 1960 (sic) and was taught that pedophile were (sic) not curable!!.
I believe you. And thank you for helping make my point.
Can you recall in the 1960's what you learned to believe about the incidence of pedophilia and how it was to be distinguished and understood in the context of other behavioral problems like alcohol abuse? And, try to be honest and un-"specious", please.
"Mr. mah51 you use a specious argument that is not coming to terms with how our bishops practiced enablement of these priests."
"Specious", you say? I think not. No, but here's a very good example of specious argumentation:
"...one of the major reasons that these professionals were not used because (sic) they were predominantly women."
Such a claim has so little basis in fact that it begs to be ignored. And I will.
What can't be ignored, however, is the centrality of this baseless claim to your overall argument, which, prescinding from your circular rants about everything from canon law to home eucharist and your personal theories about episcopal schisms, seems to be that at least since the 1960's:
A - Every diocese has always had at its beck and call a full complement of trained mental health professionals.
B - They were, by the way, almost all women.
C - These Catholic educated professionals in every diocese were largely underused by their bishops because those bishops considered them disobedient for the simple reason that they were female.
D - These shunned professionals would have solved the entire problem of clergy sexual misconduct by weeding out pedophile clerics if not for an ominous cadre of evil quacks.
E - These evil scoundrels, like the bishops they colluded with, had no love of children and took money in exchange for helping priests to rape more and more of them.
And finally - all who may dis-believe this finely spun tale "...are either in heavy denial or have difficulties elucidating the truth.
Indeed.)
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Indeed---your comments---taking the Dr. to task because of his "circular rants about everything from canon law to home eucharist and your personal theories about episcopal schisms, seems to be that at least since the 1960's," have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
If anything, your comments only demonstrates your own bias---which you have not bothered to support with any cited facts.
And you have just demonstrated the Heisenberg Principle: YOU see what YOU are ready to see, expect to see, and desire to see.
You have not illustrated any hidden truth, nor have you displayed any logic or fairness in your comments. You may claim to seek the truth---but your comments show that you can not put this desire of yours into practice.
Eugene may still be a devoted
Eugene may still be a devoted believer in Freud's pseudoscience of psychoanalysis. Modern science has fairly recently taken over the leadership of psychiatry, with neuroscientists replacing psychoanalytically oriented professors of psychiatry. The hierarchs relied upon the psychoanalysts to "cure" their homosexual pedophiles with freud's talking cure.
Yes, and these vaunted gods
Yes, and these vaunted gods of neuroscience still test the efficacy of their targeted nuero chemical compounds against the placebo effect, an effect of human consciousness they can neither explain and too often for their bottom line, statistically beat.
"Kennedy left out of this
"Kennedy left out of this list one very significant group of long trusted "advisors". The mental health community of psycholigists, psychiatrists, pyschotherapists and counselors of all sorts by and large long believed that sexual abusers could be healed through residential programs and various other treatments. They did not do so with callous disregard for victims, but because they honestly believed it."
mah51, you're flogging a dead horse. I've been a mental health professional for thirty-five years, and no competent psychotherapist of any description that I know asserts that pedophilia can be cured. Not one.
Not "flogging a dead horse."
Not "flogging a dead horse." And I also did not say that anybody said "pedophilia can be cured."
Read again, calmly.
"The mental health community
"The mental health community of psycholigists, psychiatrists, pyschotherapists and counselors of all sorts by and large long believed that sexual abusers could be healed through residential programs and various other treatments."
I grant you did say abuse.
I grant you did say abuse. That some of us did not take your use of this word in the generic sense you apparently meant, is not just a product of our own misreading. It's also a product of the fact apologists for the priesthood tend to blame the mental health profession for the decisions which were ultimately in the hands of bishops.
He won't hear what you or Dr.
He won't hear what you or Dr. Porch or any other mental health professional says which is contrary to his own belief. I would like to hear Mah51's reasoning for so many bishops ignoring the founder of the Paracletes, Catholicism's own priestly experts, who told numerous bishops and the pope in the early 50's, that these guys could not be cured and needed to be totally isolated.
See NCR's "Bishops were
See NCR's "Bishops were warned of abusive priests" at http://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/bishops-were-warned-abusive....
Just a word of caution for
Just a word of caution for everyone. Using the term "cure" is misleading in the understanding of treatment approaches for pedophiles over the course of almost 40 years. While it is true for ALL paraphilias that a "cure" is beyond our reach at this point, much can be done to help people afflicted with paraphilias such as pedophilia better manage their impulses, change their entrenched thinking, fatansies and behaviors, and to be less and less of a threat to the community. All of you who have commented on this topic here have much to share in a discussion of a fully perplexing problem. I just wanted to try and bring everyone a bit more to the middle.
Well, I was blown away by the
Well, I was blown away by the first article but this one surpasses it.
Fresh and so so necessary- this is the best thing I have read in years that gets right to the sick heart of it all.
Thank you for explaining what is going on in such eloquent terms and for proposing some practical and sensible solutions.
However, I fear that some hearts and minds are pretty much as fixed as the sets they build on so it looks as if "there might be trouble ahead" but let's face the music and dance !
Please might there be a Part 3 with some imaginative roles for women including how we could be deacons ?
Thank you, Eugene Kennedy for
Thank you, Eugene Kennedy for another insightful analysis of what is happening in the Church today. Some of the comments mirror the great divide we see in politics. Indeed, the Church is more political institution than spiritual guide today. Where is the Spirit in all of this.
The comment in your piece about the hierarchy of humans...priests, men, then women, is actually from one of the Fathers of the Church if I am not mistaken. Aquinas? I was shocked when I first encountered it and still shocked at its applicability today. Where is the Spirit?
The short-lived hope we enjoyed with Vatican II is being quickly and disturbingly dismantled by Rome. Where is the Spirit?
There might be something to
There might be something to "build it and they will come," which dioceses are thriving in this nation? which religious orders? Which parishes are not graying but are celebrating baptisms regularly?
Also, I know many many seminarians and young priests. yes, there are a few absorbed by pretty things, and consumed by blind devotion to a tradition they do not understand (the error of antiquarianism). But the vastest majority are joyful, faithful, orthodox, and love the wonders of our liturgical tradition, but would never dream of breathing a clericalist word. They immediately write thank you notes to lay benefactors, eschewing any sense of entitlement; and are well aware that they NEED lay people to use their charisms and leadership skills for the Church lest these young priests destroy themselves tying to do everything. Yet, they know who they are, and would not confuse their vocation and role in the Church with that of the laity they serve, or vice versa.
Might I suggest those who fear radical traditionalism in young clergy should meet one? One would be surprised.
See James Davidson & Dean
See James Davidson & Dean Hoge's "Mind the gap: the return of the lay-clerical divide" from COMMONWEAL at the "findarticles.com" website.
Meet one? I work with one,
Meet one? I work with one, and everything Kennedy says is right on target.
Me thinks Dr. Kennedy is
Me thinks Dr. Kennedy is right on target with the courage of a prophet to speak the truth to all, but especially to those who abide the restorationist mentality, cleric and lay. Thanks! This is masterfully written.
I have often thought that
I have often thought that married men/women should be ordained as deacons at a relatively young age -- even "permanent" ones; then, after they have had a chance to serve and prove their mettle ["virimulies probati/ae"] let those called by the community be ordained as priests [presbyteroi/ae/elders]. Instead now, we ordain kids to priesthood, but [permanent, married] deacons must be at least 35 --backwards, in my estimation.
Mike, Young people are
Mike,
Young people are ordained at a very early age into the Priesthood of Baptism that is all that is necessary to celebrate the Eucharist!! More and more of the People of God are beginning to understand how the early church functioned prior to the time of Holy Orders and consecrations of Episcopacy. It is time to push the reset button on a greedy leadership that manifest a stupidity that they can now rule the People of God as if they are little children.
“I’ve been in the church a
“I’ve been in the church a long time. The higher one climbs the more one sees – and the more clearly. It’s a pious legend that the priesthood sanctifies a man, or that celibacy ennobles him. If a priest can keep his hands out of his pockets and his legs out of a woman’s bed until he is forty-five, he stands a reasonable chance of doing it until he dies. There are a lot of professional bachelors in the world, too. But we are still subject to pride, ambition, sloth, negligence, avarice. Often it’s harder for us to save our souls than it is for others. A man with a family must make sacrifices, impose a discipline on his desires, practice love and patience. We may sin less, yet have less merit in us at the end.”
(Cardinal Marotto to Msgr Meredith) From “The Devil’s Advocate” by Morris L. West (1959)
Gene and David, I couldn't
Gene and David, I couldn't agree with you more. The recent suspension of Fr. Corapi is an affirmation of what you say, especially your "fifthly".
I have encountered these set
I have encountered these set decorator priests. One came as an associate to me a few years ago. First week, he says we need new towels and bed linens. He comes home with a bill from Bloomingdales for $500! I had one assist at a funeral with me. He informed me after Mass if all my "infractions" to the rubrics. I told him to go to hell...
You're not really a priest
You're not really a priest are you?
If not he should be!
If not he should be!
Knopp, if he isn't, he ought
Knopp, if he isn't, he ought to be.
"I told him to go to
"I told him to go to hell."
Thank you, Msgr.
I hope the fella took your suggestion to heart!
having been to Bloomie's he
having been to Bloomie's he was already there
Here in st Louis we've had
Here in st Louis we've had two like those described: Rigali and Burke. Look where they are now - one disgraced and still a Cardinal Archbishop and the other a pompous decorator in a Vatican office. Need I say more?
The Kennedy touch once again
The Kennedy touch once again paints the picture accurately. But the set decorators will keep coming as long as Vatican II is regarded as something other than good. Our hierarchy, after the JPII episode that will be with us for years and years into the future, wants and thinks those decorators are doing the bidding of Rome, as though those Roman-trained neophytes must prove their superior view of Church back at home after their return. Rome has become the dipping vat where all "safe" candidates for promotion must be passed proving they are against the teachings of the Vatican Council.I believe Vatican II was the work of the Holy Spirit who dwelt among the bishops there and inspired them to take the Church forward. My problem is how could that monumental act be the work of the Holy Spirit while the dismantling of those teachings are required grounds for promoting to the hierarchy and are called the work of the Holy Spirit. Many of us cannot see through the looking glass.
Mr. Kennedy, if only I could
Mr. Kennedy, if only I could believe and I want to believe it with all my heart that what you propose here as a cure that "church officials might well listen more to the Catholics they currently don't trust and trust less the clergy to whom they listen" would actually occur. Not only should they trust less the clergy to whom they listen but also refrain from listening to a segment of the laity who actively participate as the so called "temple police". This segment of the laity would be the first to report this kind of activity to the local Papal Nuncio.
So, "priests have different
So, "priests have different souls than lay people" says the "fresh from Rome" twerp of Dr. Kennedy's acquaintance. What does that mean? That they have souls like Caiaphas? But, no matter. Because NOBODY had soul like the godfather of soul, James Brown!
Once more Eugene Kennedy
Once more Eugene Kennedy peers into reality and reveals what is there.
Just yesterday I concelebrted the funeral of a 103 year old faithful nun. The presider (not gifted with a melodious voice) burst into song whenever he felt like it.At the offertory he shouts tht he needs more wine and another cup. The old, faithful-nun sacristan is stunned and doesn't know what to do. Informed that these old nuns do not have both species at their community Mass, the presider shouts: "But "I" do!" and waits until another (glass) cup and more wine is brought to him.
Arrogance and abusive behavior is what the grieving faithful remember about this Mass of Resurrection for a lifetime of humble and faithful service.
The presider was a set decorator for himself and not for the Church. But he holds a lofty position in the hierarchy.
To Msgr. Fater, Hmmm. What
To Msgr. Fater,
Hmmm. What you describe sounds like the opposite of what Kennedy is describing here. Kennedy is describing a "throwback-style" priest, who would most likely NOT offer the precious blood to the community, who would NOT burst into song at every opportunity. You're describing the currently-in-vogue priests (one extreme example) who considers himself to be "pastoral" whenever he ignores the rubrics. Kennedy would probably have loved such antics.
Msgr. Fater has described the
Msgr. Fater has described the narcissistic cleric. Narcissism has been coming back into vogue since the papacy of JPII, who inspired a lot of these sycophants to pursue ordination.
On a related note, see James Davidson & Dean Hoge's "Mind the gap: the return of the lay-clerical divide" from COMMONWEAL and now available (free) at the "findarticles.com" website.
Not a good prognosis for the Church of Rome.
Sounds like this guy isn't
Sounds like this guy isn't one of the guys Kennedy is complaining about. Glass cup instead of a chalice, doing what he wants with the Mass instead of doing what the Church wants? It sounds like he is one of those "Vatican II" priests that Kennedy loves!
Set decorator priests can
Set decorator priests can come in a number of colors and flavors. The common attribute is my way or the highway and that is what Kennedy seems to be writing about.
"rustling cassocks" Jesus in
"rustling cassocks" Jesus in a cassock?
Man, Jesus was just not into fancy duds. Why are world leaders in Catholicism wearing matching uniforms with perfect little red buttons?
Jesus, our perfect model, just didn't do the fancy threads stuff!
JESUS was about THE WORD. And his words were exceptional,and kind; and standing up for a woman who was going to be stoned to death, because of horribly narrow Jewish LAW!
Jesus was a social justice man, not a "look good" man.
Free love! Jesus wasn't
Free love! Jesus wasn't about sin and redemption. Jesus really wanted free pot and lsd for everyone, man!
This article is on target!!!
This article is on target!!! The Church as we know it is gone!! Long live the New Catholic Church!!!
The medieval model of the
The medieval model of the Church, with the clergy as the aristocracy and the laity as serfs is not working. It is rather annoying to listen to one of the young "JP II priests" talk to you like you are a stupid child, when you are old enough to be his father. They seem to long for a time that they don't even remember. I was an altar boy back in the "good, old days" of pre-VII and yes, there was some good, but there was a lot of bad too. I was there, and for some thirty something priest who was not there to tell me I am wrong is absurd. JP II thought that priests should be on a pedestal: perhaps a few priests fill that rather tall order, but when you look at the parade of disgrace of the clerical sexual abuse scandals, the pedesdal model does not really work.
The relsationship between clergy and laity should be based on mutual respect, not contempt and arrogance. I found out a long time ago in the Marines, if you do not give respect, you will not get it. Respect should be mutual, it is not a one way street.
JP II, Benedict and "their" clergy" [funny how some clerics think the Church belongs to them personally], have tried to drag us back to the 16th century, immediate post Council of Trent. Fighting the Englightenment of 250 years ago, they might appear quaint, but they are serious. I think the smarter Bishops understand the futility of this, but are powerless, given the absolute monarchy nature of the Church's governance. I am in my 60's and growing weary of the whole struggle.
The Vatican needs to engage the modern world in a constructive manner and include the laity. It appears that they will not. Where do we go? I wish I knew, but I cannot go along with fanatics and fools.
Women, as the fresh-from-Rome
Women, as the fresh-from-Rome priest explained on Holy Thursday, stand at the lowest and least level of God’s hierarchical structure of the human species. First priests, then men-in-general, and finally woman, sorry, that’s the way it is. “Priests,” he explained, “have different souls than lay people.”
This priest was obviously insane, and is not representative of any school of thought of which I am aware within Catholicism. There is much to criticise in the Catholic Church, but I don't think this two part exercise in waffling contibutes much to any debate. I refer to the comments I made about Part 1 of this article, which seems to have won the approval of so many readers. It makes we wonder if we were reading the same article.
Gezzamac writes: "This priest
Gezzamac writes: "This priest was obviously insane, and is not representative of any school of thought of which I am aware". Maybe yes, maybe no, but certainly he is a charter member of the clerical caste. Women are equal to men, Joseph car.Ratzinger wrote in definitive theological terms. B-U-T- women are created, designed in their very nature to "wait", to "attend" to "serve" men just as, the church, "the bride of Christ", waits for, attends to, is obedient to, dererential to, and serves Christ. This is also the role that women "play" in the family and "in the world". The male leads, the female follows, lets repeat: in the church and in the world. If this is equallity, what is subjugation? According to Ratzinger/Benedict (and the college of cardinals) this is how Mary is/was, and not only is the model for women but explains and renders it obvious (of course) why women cannot be ordained(?). Priests by their ordination are "ontologically" changed, but they are not "fully changed" until and unless they recieve the "bishopric" - the "fullness of the priesthood".
He may be insane but he has a lot of company. Maybe he is also being arrogantly obvious and honest about what he is taught, is obliged to believe. But then again, so are you and I?
I think that's a very, very
I think that's a very, very loose, and somewhat unfair interpretation of Ratzinger's writings.
gezzamac on Jul. 21,
gezzamac on Jul. 21, 2011.
You stated:
"I think that's a very, very loose, and somewhat unfair interpretation of Ratzinger's writings".
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Neither JP II nor Benedict ever invited women to confer with them in order for THEM to acquire a proper understanding of women's role and place in the Church.
In fact, in writing the encyclical "Evangelium vitae" (1995), John Paul II claims to have consulted the cardinals and bishops in writing it. However, the encyclical demonstrates that the consultation was 'pro forma' and was not taken seriously. There certainly were no footnote references to documents coming from Episcopal (as in national bishops') conferences.
And when it comes to women---the Catholic Church faces a huge structural problem. Women have no real leadership positions in the church and have certainly played no role in the formation of the papal documents of Catholic social teaching. Without doubt, this structural defect has alienated many Catholic women.
Much as I agree with you, I
Much as I agree with you, I don't see what this has to do with my original point.
The second half of your
The second half of your article is a line-by-line description of the man who destroyed my parish. I feel sorry for the man, but why was my parish sacrificed to fulfill his needs?
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