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The all American clerical culture team
Once bestowed on the clergyman who best exemplified the worst of clerical behavior, the Monsignor Moron Award has been retired out of sensitivity to morons.
A single prize also ignored the Thanksgiving Day parade of over-inflated nominees who, were it not for the guy lines of ambition that tie them to chancery offices and to any place mail might come from the Vatican, would be lost in the smoke over Iceland by now.
Here, then, is the All-American Clerical Culture Team. Its members do not really constitute a team because each one exhibits the hallmark of the classic cleric, the autocratic demand to call all the plays and get credit for all the scoring.
Skating onto the ice under the roving spotlights is our first nominee, Bishop Thomas Paprocki, newly appointed to Springfield, Illinois. Paprocki has been previously recognized with the Near Death Experience Award because few, if any, have ever died so to become a bishop.
Bishop Paprocki once changed the seating cards at a Chicago Catholic Lawyers dinner so that Cardinal George would not sit next to the late County Board President, John Stroger, a Catholic who tolerated abortions at the large public Cook County Hospital. Attending to such details is like throwing roses in one’s own path to the bishopric.
Paprocki, famous for trying to explain what he meant when he claimed that the devil caused the sex abuse crisis, is a hockey player who allows himself to be called the “Holy Goalie,” is said to display his Episcopal coat of arms and motto on his helmet. Springfield, can you drink of this Stanley Cup of a cleric now being passed to you?
Next up is Bishop Thomas Olmstead of Phoenix who may be paired
mythologically with the late hanging judge Roy Bean who styled himself “the Law west of the Pecos.” Olmstead is a nice man but in his recent excommunication of a hospital nun who, in tragic circumstances, allowed an abortion to proceed to save a young mother’s life, he skipped any possible intermediate steps to employ the nuclear option of exiling a saintly woman from the Church and work she loves.
Leaving yourself no alternative is a good way to start a war but it is not a good way to keep peace in what is supposed to be a Church that champions care over condemnation. Olmstead manifested, however, a common Episcopal need: a guarantee that, when the sun goes down, they have not done anything that would displease the Pope.
The Captain of the All-American Clerics is, by acclamation, Frank Dewane, formerly in the soft drink business, but now making a hard sell of fascist Catholicism as if he were the Doge of medieval Venice in Italy rather than just the bishop of Venice in Florida. According to John Hushon, international lawyer and former CEO of a multinational energy company, who earned a theology degree after retiring and became active in church matters, Dewane has ignored, eliminated, or condemned any activity that he cannot personally control.
He has eliminated parish councils, ruled out women‘s participating in the liturgy in any way when he presides, assigned spy-like agents to make sure that his orders are carried out by pastors, some of whom he has imported from a religious order with which he has close ties and all of whom must subscribe to his view of Catholicism. Even parish bulletins must be cleared at the chancery. He has banned well-known Catholic speakers as “dissidents,” a word that he uses like “snow” to cover everything. Not only has he withdrawn from all inter-faith activities and fired even volunteer church workers suspected of being “liberal.” While building a large home in a location he prefers to keep undisclosed he cut the Catholic Charities budget “for financial reasons.”
He deserves a place on the team but I wonder if he knows that, behind his back, he has cloned various versions of himself. While the bishop tried to control every nickel that drops into a collection plate, a pastor at a Mass I attended told the people how to game the system so that he could rake off more for himself than the bishop allows. Well, Bishop, that’s what being a big-time cleric gets you, followers who know how to use your methods against you. While some take this as a proof that there is a God, the Caesar-like Bishop Dewane should be careful where he goes on the Ides of March.






I had never heard of Bishop
I had never heard of Bishop Dewane, so I checked out the web site for the Diocese of Venice (Florida). The first words next to the bishop's picture (in the Bishop section) are these: "Bishop Dewane, by divine institution, carries on the work of the apostles."
I wonder if this is an example of what my old seminary rector would refer to as the "darkness of self-aggrandizement"?
Thank you for the article. I
Thank you for the article. I am one of the "dissentents" I was supposed to speak on my book I had published to a Ladies group in one of the churches in the venice diocese they were forbidden to have me speak because of my negative views against the Catholic Church. I have never met the bishop and as far as I know he has not even read my book. Go Figure. The last I heard we had freedom of speech and freedom of religion according to our forefathers. I guess the same freedoms don't apply to the Catholic Church
I agree with you! As a
I agree with you! As a member of the Venice Diocese trust me when i tell you....we have no freedom to even be Christian. We live in slavery to the will of frank dewane. He is an occasion of sin for many parishoners; just the mention of he name brings out the worst in them.!
Dear Mr. Kennedy, Is it not
Dear Mr. Kennedy,
Is it not your policy as a journalist to check to see if what your sources tell you is true? If you had, you would have found that the majority of our parishes have pastoral councils, as well as girls and women serving on our altars as servers,lectors, and extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist. Our parishes have been served by Order priests long before Bishop Dewane came to Florida and the bulletins are not “cleared by the chancery.” Speakers who are not welcomed in our parishes are those who are against the doctrine of the Church, such as those who are publicly pro-choice. Bishop Dewane participates regularly in inter-faith activities such as Yom Hashoa and the Rally for Darfur. He has increased the budget for Catholic Charities, not decreased it as you have printed. He lives in a home that many would consider modest, purchased years ago by the Diocese of Venice at a price well below market value by donors to the Church. Bishop Dewane is the first to admit that he has made mistakes and unpopular decisions, however what you have printed is untrue. Mr. Hushon seems to have a personal vendetta against Bishop Dewane, which is unfortunate. What is more unfortunate is your irresponsible journalism. I believe you owe the Bishop an apology.
Mary Campo
Director of Stewardship and Development
Diocese of Venice in Florida
Does he, or does he not,
Does he, or does he not, prohibit women from being among those to have their feet washed, or from serving in the sanctuary during the liturgy?
Thank you! I have not had so
Thank you! I have not had so much fun in years. God, if only Kennedy were joking: tragically, every word of it's true, and these "mitred bird brains" (as Andrew Greely once referred to the US episcopal bench) are just the tip of a very big (and dangerous) iceberg!
And why were they chosen to
And why were they chosen to be bishops? Because of their allegiance to Christ and their pastoral sensibilities? Or because they played the party line with loyalty to other men of the same ilk?
It's time for a reform! But first, deny them the funds to continue.
these are terrible examples
these are terrible examples that have become, unfortunately, the arhetype for episcopacy....whatever happened to appreciating and cloning the "good pope john type"? actually wouldn't it be best to allow grace to let peopel we "elect' as bishops to exercise their charism the way God made and not the way they have had to change to be a clone?
Eugene Kennedy's writing used
Eugene Kennedy's writing used to be refreshing; recently it's just nasty -- and unhelpful.
No, Eugene Kennedy is the
No, Eugene Kennedy is the writer with the most fresh air around, both for necessary comic relief, and a sharp eye. He helps me survive in the desert that passes for episcopal leadership these days.
Long may his Bulletins from the Human Side brighten our hearts.
So, kill the messenger? JR
So, kill the messenger?
JR
Being a resident of Venice,
Being a resident of Venice, FL., the epicenter of the Right Reverand's empire, and as a former employee of that same soft drink company, I can testify the Right Reverand is ever bit deserving of this award....and that does not begin to detail his arrogance and insensivity, and the fear that he has fostered among religious and lay alike. I know the papal nuncio in DC is aware, but like the rest of the moroons, does nothing that would demonstate to us peons that the job is one of serving the peons, and enslaving them.
Please spare us any more of
Please spare us any more of Kennedy's sour grapes...
What,Margie,are you afraid
What,Margie,are you afraid of? 1950 is getting closer every day. Worse than the oil spill.
The 50's were much better
The 50's were much better than now.
There is no telling how far back we are going.
Medieval comes to mind.
The Sister in Phoenix is just lucky the Bishop Olmsted didn't ask her to volunteer for being burned at the stake!
(Actually, Sister was right. Catholic ethics requires that both lives of the baby and mother be considered as equal, but that message does seem to be used in Phoenix)
This article exemplifies why
This article exemplifies why we in Vicariate five of the Archdiocese of Chicago consider ourselves so blessed to have as our Episcopal Vicar Bishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller. It seems as if he slipped through the cracks in spite of his spiritual wisdom and human compassionand the way he works collaboratively with all in his vicariate, lay people, religious brothers and sisters, deacons and priests. He also works very well with ministers of other denominations and faiths.
It appears that Mr. Kennedy
It appears that Mr. Kennedy does not approve of Holy Mother Church's return to orthodoxy. It's a shame that he is so out of step.
Ah, finally someone said it
Ah, finally someone said it and it was out of the mouth of an orthodox Catholic!
These morons represent Holy Mother Church's return to orthodoxy!
Ha, Ha, Ha! So true........
Since when do arrogance and
Since when do arrogance and culpable ignorance qualify as "orthodoxy?"
I find that most people who throw that term around with elan don't even know what it really means.
This really has nothing to do
This really has nothing to do with Holy Mother Church returning to being orthodox. It is a power trip for these guys ... pure and simple ... who were unfortunately chosen to lead. Viewed by some as sour grapes by Kennedy, I think his awards are right on target.
Return to orthodoxy? I guess
Return to orthodoxy? I guess you mean the idealized church of the 1950s of your childhood, a second or two ago in church history.
maybe he is out of step with
maybe he is out of step with you but so are millions of catholics who would agree with every word that eugene kennedy says. too bad you do not like him but many of us do. we need to stop the flow of money because that is the only thing these heirarchs are interested in...
Anonymous on Jun. 03, 2010.
Anonymous on Jun. 03, 2010.
You stated:
"It appears that Mr. Kennedy does not approve of Holy Mother Church's return to orthodoxy. It's a shame that he is so out of step."
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And I guess that you would appreciate living in Communist China, too? Kennedy's comments describe nothing but communist hegemonism dressed up in clerical dress. Or maybe you didn't know that Popes JP II and Benny---living in socialist states---adopted the format for the Catholic Church---because they preferred it to democracy.
Orthodoxy? PLEEZE!!! Only a 'twit' would state that!
I love satire! I laughed so I
I love satire!
I laughed so I wouldn't cry. I was particularly tickled by the "Msgr Moron" moniker!!!
I don't think you know what
I don't think you know what "satire" means. Satire is creative, witty, poignant (at times), and usually illustrates a point. This is nothing but the rantings of a sad, angry man.
What point is there is
What point is there is publishing this kind of mindless, ad hoc drivel in the same paper that offers Joan Chittister's call for a middle ground in public discourse? There seems to be nothing left of Kennedy but bitterness, and no arrow left in his quiver but the insult.
I live in the diocese of
I live in the diocese of Venice and know first hand the power trip that this man is on. The name Joan Chittister is not to be mentioned, women are being fired from jobs they have long held in the diocese, and yes it is true that now women may not serve at Masses he presides over, even if they are for women. Priests are being pressuered to fall lockstep behind him. What shame he brings to what was a bright, vibrant, growing diocese.
Ah, Gene, what kind of team
Ah, Gene, what kind of team is this? Even basketball has 5 on it.... But, then again, I suspect all of us could name our own additions to this list. I would like to begin with Bp. Tobin of Providence and Burke of the Vatican. They are at least as worthy as those you have designated here....
If you are nominating Bp.
If you are nominating Bp. Tobin, I second the nomination. I hope he gets the promotion he has been campaigning for since his arrival in the Diocese of Providence... I can't wait for him to leave...
Don't forget: Bishop Richard
Don't forget:
Bishop Richard Malone of the diocese of Portland Maine.
who cut off funding and asked for a refund from a group helping the homeless because some of their members disagreed with him on same sex marriage which had nothing to do with helping the homeless.
He bankrupted the diocese with his political wrangling against same sex marriage and is now asking EVERY MAINE FAMILY TO CONTRIBUTE $6,000 to him!
Anonymous on Jun. 03,
Anonymous on Jun. 03, 2010.
You stated:
"Don't forget:
Bishop Richard Malone of the diocese of Portland Maine.
who cut off funding and asked for a refund from a group helping the homeless because some of their members disagreed with him on same sex marriage which had nothing to do with helping the homeless.
He bankrupted the diocese with his political wrangling against same sex marriage and is now asking EVERY MAINE FAMILY TO CONTRIBUTE $6,000 to him!"
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Dear Anonymous,
I hope that you send him that amount in Monopoly Money. :-)
You are coming dangerously
You are coming dangerously close to slander or libel. I don't think a court would give you any protection with your status as a "blogger," when your blog is disseminated by NCR.
I have been victimized by clericalism (fired from a job) before, and although I am no supporter of any of the prelates you mention, I don't think this is the way to fight clericalism. This article would be greatly improved by citations of the (pretty bad) assertions you make. Short of that, sadly, nobody will take you seriously, in my opinion. Why give "satan" more of an advantage?
Providing evidentiary citations of these allegations would, perhaps, satisfy a few justice-hungry persons, but in the end, it's not going to make a tinker's dam of difference. Clericalism has to be eliminated from the top down. I think this sort of thing is just making matters worse. The Church simply will not respond to this kind of pressure the way a government or a business does. It takes generations. Why make things worse for those poor souls in Springfield, Venice and Phoenix?
So, what kind of response do
So, what kind of response do you suggest? One that might work? Even the massive decline of priestly and religious vocations, and the closing of hundreds of parishes and schools, has not worked. The hierarchy more intransigent than ever and defended, even on this site, by many who were schooled pre-1960 and who have not grown but who, per American prosperity. have lots of money to fund such as the Knights of Columbus, EWTN and Ave Maria University. Fr. Kennedy is frustrated and angry. So are millions of others. If you have a better approach we would be glad to hear it. But you seem to offer none.
It is true, I offer no
It is true, I offer no approach, other than the two-fold observation that finger pointing, with or without substantiation, will further exacerbate the ugliness, and the culture of clericalism will not be corrected by the laity, or even by priests and bishops, but must start with the Holy See. Since they have spent better than 2 millenia cultivating this culture of clericalism, sometimes for good, often for bad, it will not come down overnight.
Mr. Kennedy just seems like
Mr. Kennedy just seems like he has had it with these clerics and I cannot say I blame him. Many people are very angry at these self proclaimed "teachers" of the Gospels. So cutting Mr. Kennedy down is of no help either.
How do you propose bringing the clerical structure down from the top down? I'd be really interested in what your ideas on that would be.
Joanne Marie, I am presuming
Joanne Marie, I am presuming you are not a member of the College of Cardinals, and will reveal that I am not. We can't make any proposals for "bringing the clerical structure down from the top." In fact, that would be an impossibility for us, given the fact that clericalism in this form has been around for almost as long as the Church has existed, and was certainly one of the issues Jesus of Nazareth attacked during his ministry as recorded in the Gospels, though the targets were Jewish, of course. Part of clericalism is the insular and secretive nature of the hierarchy itself. The only folks who can change that are themselves.
We, me and you, will not be able to effect this change. Only the Holy See can change itself...unfortunately, history shows that it does not see change in its best interest.
We can pray, but I don't know that this is anything that will change during our lifetimes, short of you and me becoming members of the Red Hat Club.
I mean no disrespect to any range of the Catholic experience, liberal, evangelical, conservative, whatever. But, if these allegations are true, they are dispicable. Leadership is one thing, this is something else. Still, how does this unobjective reporting style help anything? Will the Holy See read this and repent? Or at least take these Bishops to task for their actions as cited by Fr. Kennedy? In my opinion, no. So what do "we" do? "We" don't do anything, that's just it. "We" could avoid parishes in those dioceses where such prelates rule, I suppose. We could withold money, or become Lutherans or Episcopalians, but that won't change the problem (and witholding funds creates more problems).
I think the swell of spirit in the laity may force some Vatican policy changes, but those take many decades, if not centuries. Look how hard Benedict XVI has had to work on the clergy sex abuse problem, since his days at John Paul II's side, and through his ascendancy until the present day. You can read all about that on NCR, how he has been opposed by various Cardinals within the Vatican (that's clericalism) and unfortunately, how his own mission is compromised by his own history as Archbishop of Munich. Somebody has to get fed up, become a priest, become a Bishop, become a Cardinal, go to Rome, and then maybe when enough likeminded individuals (unfortunately only men) come together, something gets done. That's the way the Church has worked for centuries: slowly.
Submitted by Joanne Marie on
Submitted by Joanne Marie on Jun. 03, 2010.
You stated:
"Mr. Kennedy just seems like he has had it with these clerics and I cannot say I blame him. Many people are very angry at these self proclaimed "teachers" of the Gospels. So cutting Mr. Kennedy down is of no help either.
How do you propose bringing the clerical structure down from the top down? I'd be really interested in what your ideas on that would be."
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Hi, Joanne Marie,
Just about a few days ago, we had on this website a discussion as to Who employs the Bishops. From the Vatican, there came this announcement---that the Pope is not their employeer. He doesn't pay their salary. I could argue these points (and I have). But if the laity in America is paying the salaries of these Bishops---then the laity does have a right to hold them accountable.
While a decent number of people get on Catholic websites like NCR, Commonwealmagazine, and America----not enough people do---to make them aware of what is going on in different dioceses outside of their own---nevermind what is going on in other dioceses. I particularly think of the Seniors who may not have or get on the Internet (except to chat with their families or to receive/send pictures to family and friends). The medium that still reaches more people than anything is TV and radio.
I don't know how to get "Bishops' Accountability" on national tv---for weekly spots---but it should be done. If we are paying the salaries of the Bishops, we have every right in the world to state, "Become accountable for your actions, or the whole nation will know of what you are doing (or failing to do)!"
To be fair, I would have this group also praise those bishops who are doing outstanding work as chief pastors of their dioceses as well. But for those who are like the bishops that Gene outlined and others---I would have the tv spot on several times a week---during the morning, afternoon and during primetime.
Funding? If the conservative puppets (of these high-and-mighty Bishops) can reach into the deep pockets of the Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, and other groups---don't the liberal groups have access to those with deep pockets as well?
Cable TV, like CNN, should be able to do this as a 'public information spot' for all to see. I taught young people public speaking when I taught in high school. They learned that one can say much in 5-7 minutes--if it is well prepared, and planned.
That's my suggestion---on making America's Bishop more accountable to those who are paying their salaries---and that's the LAITY.
This satirical essay does not
This satirical essay does not come close to slander or libel. You are correct that clericalism needs to be edited, but before it is eliminated, there has to be broad understanding by lay and clergy alike of what it looks like. The metaphor is brilliant. Clericalism is defined by acts that divide and impoverish communities. It is recognized after appointments like Dewanne gut the heart of a diocese built to be a model of lay-clerical full participation,like Olmsted who eliminates one women (a sister who dedicated her life in service of God's people) rather than the decision making board she represented who were composed mostly of men, as well as take money to build mansions for their own self-agrandizement. The canaries in the shaft are fully committed baptized who are educated and give time to serve our church. Note how they are treated by certain clerics. In this realm, the right hand of some bishops call us forth, while the left hand of other clerics, pound us down. By reflecting on acts like these, there will be a new leaven for the next generation-hopefully one that will not be repeated.
If the ethics committee was
If the ethics committee was composed mostly of men and the only one to take the fall is a courageous woman-religious, where and who are the men and what are they doing about it? We'd like to know!
Eugene Kennedy has not
Eugene Kennedy has not slandered the bishops he described. They have exactly the qualities wanted by the vatican to lead the Catholic Church back to the middle age of feudalism. Probably these bishops are also Tea Party Republicans. The next step to enhance their leadership in the reformed church is to satisfy Glen Beck and reject the social justice doctrines that have crept into the Catholic Church.
I am sure we could all
I am sure we could all nominate others for the award! The list could go on and on and on.....
Thank God for you, Eugene
Thank God for you, Eugene Kennedy: Your observations keep us sane and entertained. Although, underneath the humor is a growing sadness for God's People having to bear the burden inflicted by these pathetic men that were "chosen" for leadership positions in the Church.
"The Captain of the All-American Clerics is, by acclamation, Frank Dewane..."
A man for all (liturgical) seasons! An “Ash Wednesday” kind of guy.
"He has eliminated parish councils"
In Frank's defense, that action was taken only because he could not chair each parish council personally. A good move on his part.
"...ruled out women‘s participating in the liturgy in any way when he presides,"
Are his sexual urges that strong that he cannot even LOOK at a woman close up without desiring her? Perhaps all women attending Mass should wear Burkas.
"assigned spy-like agents to make sure that his orders are carried out by pastors,"
Perfect. What good is a cloak-and-dagger game without spies? This IS a game, isn't it?
"...Even parish bulletins must be cleared at the chancery."
Most parish bulletins should be discarded BEFORE being sent to the chancery.
"He has banned well-known Catholic speakers as “dissidents,”
List their names and I will be sure to buy their books and hear them speak in another diocese.
"While building a large home in a location he prefers to keep undisclosed he cut the Catholic Charities budget “for financial reasons.”
Of course, taking from the poor to give to the rich is always the proper action for a man of God. That’s how he got the job. There's nothing like a bishop who listens to the voice of the Holy Spirit.
Let us raise our glasses to toast Frank Dewane, The Captain of the All-American Clerics, and the entire All-American Clerical Culture Team, Paprocki, Olmsted, and all Clerical Culture Team hopefuls.
Their achievements give great insight into the mind of the man who appointed them.
Scripsi, scripsi.
Once again, Professor
Once again, Professor Kennedy, you hit the nail squarely on its head. What a delightful read. Was it Robert Burns who wrote something like "O, the gift he gie us//to see ourselves as others see us"?
Kennedy has it absolutely
Kennedy has it absolutely right about Frank Dewane. Dewane is also a hypocrite. He gave an interview to the Ft, Myers News-Press in which he ducked responsibility for firing some "liberal" church people in Naples by wrapping himself in the principle of subsidiarity. That means, decisions are to be left to the most local, furthest-down-the-chain of command entity. He claimed that the firing was a local decision. Then he visited a parish in North Ft. Myers. He didn't like the color the parish leadership had chosen for the parish buildings. So he made them repaint the structures with a color he liked. This cost the parish about $8,000. Meanwhile, Lee County's migrant workers have to go begging for long-sleeved shirts to protect them from pesticides used in the fields.
I am so glad to see Bishop
I am so glad to see Bishop Dewane on this list as it makes me and others at my church in his diocese feel a little less alone. Complaints against him have been voiced, and even if the folks he kisses up to don't dump him, it's nice to know that his unfitness to serve has at least been noticed. Rather than focusing on what it means to be a Catholic, a Christian, and just a decent human being regardless of faith, he seems to be more intent on coercing everyone to walk in dogmatic lockstep, head down and eyes averted. Is this how he wants us to face the future? Bishops like him are one of the reasons the church is losing members, but his clamping down only leads to defiance. You cannot root out the love in a human heart and the thirst for equality, no matter how hard you stamp your little feet. An excellent post, it's just a pity it had to be written in the first place.
Cut off the money supply and
Cut off the money supply and you will see who's attention you get!
If it weren't so sad, and if
If it weren't so sad, and if I were not so angry, it would be laughable. These men think that they are, as my Mom used to say, "the cat's meow." One of these days we have to overturn all these "birdbrains" and give the church over to the people. We sure couldn't do any worse!
Nasty column (again) and
Nasty column (again) and nasty comments. Gene is a bitter old man. Too bad.
Ah, yes, the "return to
Ah, yes, the "return to orthodoxy." We hear this from those who think all of the problems of the Church would go away if only we would say and do things in the Mass that are prescribed and nothing else. But these junior morons can never point to even one line in the Gospels where Jesus insisted on "orthodoxy." Sigh.
Keep up the good work, NCR.
Keep up the good work, NCR. You are continuing to publish yourself into irrelevance. If you are going to be ugly, Dr. Kennedy, you are opening yourself up to lots of retaliation. Are you ready for folks to say, "And then there's the former Father Eugene Kennedy, a priest who obviously has a grudge to bear because did not have the spiritual fortitude to remain faithful to his promises to God"?
TNCath on Jun. 03, 2010. You
TNCath on Jun. 03, 2010.
You stated:
"Keep up the good work, NCR. You are continuing to publish yourself into irrelevance. If you are going to be ugly, Dr. Kennedy, you are opening yourself up to lots of retaliation. Are you ready for folks to say, "And then there's the former Father Eugene Kennedy, a priest who obviously has a grudge to bear because did not have the spiritual fortitude to remain faithful to his promises to God"?"
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Who in the name of God are you, TNCath, to tell Gene Kennedy that he "did not have the spiritual fortitude to remain faithful to his promises to God?"
It takes more spiritual fortitude to do the right thing, than to remain, too timid, to make the move. He saw what these 'so-called' successors to the Apostles were doing---and he knew that continuing to allow himself to have his strings pulled by them---is certain death---of the soul.
As far as retaliation is concerned, these bishops, should be the ones afraid of retaliation. Someone once wrote that the floors of Hell are paved with the skulls of Cardinals and Bishops. Currently, when they ask for money, their people should only mail them Monopoly Money.
And as for you---you need to have your glasses and heart changed. Obviously, you think that DESPOTS like these Bishops are modeling Christ---or the Apostles. Yeah, they model an Apostle---Judas!
I didn't tell Gene Kennedy he
I didn't tell Gene Kennedy he didn't have the spiritual fortitude to remain faithful to his promises to God, Gene Kennedy told God and everybody by leaving the priesthood.
And who are you or Gene Kennedy to call these bishops "despots"? If you don't like the bishops or the Church, then be honest and declare yourself a Protestant.
TNCath on Jun. 06, 2010. You
TNCath on Jun. 06, 2010.
You stated:
"I didn't tell Gene Kennedy he didn't have the spiritual fortitude to remain faithful to his promises to God, Gene Kennedy told God and everybody by leaving the priesthood.
And who are you or Gene Kennedy to call these bishops "despots"? If you don't like the bishops or the Church, then be honest and declare yourself a Protestant."
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Priests are not the only ones who make promises to God. And if a person discovers that his/her promises to God are being compromised by a corrupt system---that person has a duty to leave the system. "Better for us to obey God, than men."
Paul tells us in Romans (7:8) that "sin takes advantage of the law' to achieve its own purposes. By that he means that people can use 'religion' for the purposes of gaining self-respect. If you want to hate somebody, want to be vicious or vengeful, cruel or vindictive---you can do it without feeling an ounce of guilt---just do it for religious reasons. "I support the bishops. I obey their laws. I follow all the commandments of God. I'm an orthodox Catholic." Isn't it great to use religion to feel so superior and so 'right'?
After all---who needs God? You have the Catholic Church to save you!
Only in God---Father, Son, and Spirit is our salvation. Only God is worthy of all of our faith and trust. No pope, cardinal, bishop nor priest is able to save anyone.
And as far as you looking down your nose at Protestants---maybe you don't know it, but the Catholic Church has stated that Luther's statements (the 95 Statements on the Whittenburg Church Door)---do not violate any Catholic Dogmas. And Protestants are not in hand-baskets on their way to hell. God's Kingdom is not an exclusive club for just for Catholics. Jesus uses the quote from Isaiah when he says, "My house is to be a house of prayer for all the people" (56:7)
You are a smug---self-satified person who thinks that you are good in God's sight, because you have obeyed the law. You are 'saved' and you have no need to show mercy, compassion or exemplify the generosity of God. God is a good Enforcer for you. But God, for you, is not the Saving Love revealed to Israel in the Old Testament, nor is seen in Jesus's Saving actions on the Cross.
Bishop Olmstead, in being so quick to condemn, in being so sure as to what the motives of Sr. Margaret and the medical staff at St. Jospeph Hospital were---has shown himself to be a perfect Pharasee---love the law----condemn the sinner (and in forgetting that he is a sinner, too).
He (and you, too) do nothing but show the dark side of small-minded religion----when the law is more important than the generosity, forgiveness and love of God for us.
It was St. John Chrysostom
It was St. John Chrysostom who said and I quote:
"the floor in hell is paved with the skulls of bishops".
So, I guess St. John was a protestant!
It is better to tell the TRUTH about these bishops than to lie about them in order to remain a good Catholic. That says more about the Church than it does about those to whom you would like to label "protestant".
Christ said " I am the way, the TRUTH and the life.
It looks like lots of
It looks like lots of APPLAUSE to me!
"If you are going to be ugly, Dr. Kennedy, you are opening yourself up to lots of retaliation."
P.S. The truth is often UGLY.
Thank you for the tears of
Thank you for the tears of laughter after so much time of sadness and grief.
Again, we must accept our
Again, we must accept our part in all of this malfeasance. We ENABLE through our plate donations. Please, please cease the funding of these misfits. Contribute your hard-earned dollars to groups and situations that are working with those most in need of compassion and help. Actions do more to spread the gospel. Anything we can do to foster that kind of ministry will be prudent, good stewardship.
It is not truly All American
It is not truly All American if we find no Spanish speakers.
Perhaps none made the cut for this notorious team for other reasons?
Like knowing of Liberation Theology?
Saxon Catholicism is the vast minority in this hemisphere; its days numbered by its own choice, its own clerical oppression.
Please stop representing
Please stop representing yourself as an advocate of the Spanish Mass as panacea for everything that's wrong in the Church. The Spanish Mass is the celebration of the Eucharist in Spanish, nothing more. It doesn't make sense to invite people to a celebration in Spanish if they don't speak the language or understand the culture. And "Saxon Catholicism" would rightly describe faith expressions in Germany, not the United States.
Cher frere, The hot desert
Cher frere,
The hot desert sun is turning you into a one-trick pony - either that or you're simply smoking too much TUMBLEWEED.
Get a grip.
Maybe Eugene Cullen Kennedy
Maybe Eugene Cullen Kennedy should get the Moron Award.
No wonder Jesus wept.
No wonder Jesus wept.
I'll reserve comment on the
I'll reserve comment on the tone, but I can confirm two statements here as fact.
As a former member of the Diocese of Venice Pastoral Council, which was formed by Bishop John Nevins, Dewane's immediate predecessor, we met with Dewane once in 2006 while he was still bishop adjutor. There has been no council meeting since, or at least I haven't been notified of one.
Our parish priest did indeed explain how to game the Bishop's Appeal system so that more money comes back to the parish. I don't know if Kennedy has ever attended our church.
Well, I'll certainly agree
Well, I'll certainly agree with you re Diocese of Venice Fl's Bishop Frank Dwane! We've spent our winter months there for many years -- and although he willingly accepts personal checks from WOMEN for Venice's annual bishop's appeal, he evidently doesn't believe in equality for those same women within the Church! (I quote from the front page of tne March 30, 2010 "Herald Tribune" (a local edition of the Sarasota "Herald Tribune" serving North Port, Englewood and Charlotte FL) entitled "A GENDER DEBATE ON FOOT WASHING: Church Policy: A bishop's letter stirs discussion on a woman's role in the ritual. According to the article, Bishop Dewane sent his "Rules of the Road" letter to all churches in the Venice Diocese on March 26, 2010. In it, he reminded his priests that "ONLY men should have their feet washed" during the Holy Thursday liturgy. Customarily, many of those priests (in addition to our own priests back "home" in upstate NY) have washed the feet of male AND female parishoners for many years. However, quoting church rules, his letter read that "The washing of the feet of chosen men, which according to tradition, is performed on this day, represents the service and charity of Christ, who came not to be served, but to serve." The letter goes on to explain that women were included once, but that was a special case and does not indicate a change in policy. The bishop's letter further fuels an ongoing national controversy over the inclusion of women in the foot-washing ceremony, e.g., Archbishop Sean O'Malley of Boston upset many Catholic women in 2005 by inviting only men to participate in the ritual, because the church rules state that the priest will pour water of the feet of "men who have been chosen"-- despite the fact that The Vatican told O'Malley he could wash women's feet!
This may seem to be a picayune subject, but I wonder if these questionably trusted MEN of the cloth would bypass the Virgin Mother Mary if she were present for their Holy Thursday liturgies! Perhaps we should more rightly be running a garden hose on these "Excellencies" to express OUR needs to symbolically wash them of the guilt of their princely brothers in handling the clerical abuse of children situation, which is a far cry more important issue than that of washing or not washing women's feet!
...I wonder if these
...I wonder if these questionably trusted MEN of the cloth would bypass the Virgin Mother Mary if she were present for their Holy Thursday liturgies!
They wouldn't need to. As His greatest follower, it's a sure be His most gracious mother wouldn't even think of such a thing let alone try it.
Mr. Brian Batty, O.P. on Jun.
Mr. Brian Batty, O.P. on Jun. 04, 2010.
You stated:
"...I wonder if these questionably trusted MEN of the cloth would bypass the Virgin Mother Mary if she were present for their Holy Thursday liturgies!
They wouldn't need to. As His greatest follower, it's a sure be His most gracious mother wouldn't even think of such a thing let alone try it."
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How do you know? Were you there? The Last Supper was in a large room (according to the Gospels). Why? Jesus didn't need a large room for only 13 men (Himself included). But to have all of his followers present (as is done in a Passover Meal) both men and women. If you don't belive that women and children HAD to be present in Passovers---check with a Rabbi scholar---or go to a Rabbinical University---and research it yourself.
Question for you. Who gave both Matthew and Luke the basic information that they had about Jesus's youth? Mary. And she wasn't the wimpy, demure gal that the Official Church likes to portray her as.
Any priest or bishop who refuses to wash the feet of women during the Holy Thursday Liturgy----can do all the work that women usually do in the parish/diocese, too. Jesus had the body of a man---but his spirit is that of a woman.
Dewane directs pastors to
Dewane directs pastors to discriminate aganst women in foot washing ceremonies and doesn't allow women as altar servers at his Masses?
People: Speak out, walk out, stage protests, at the Parish and elsewhere.
Mothers and fathers and don't let your little girls grow up to be Catholics.
No Need to speak out. No Need
No Need to speak out. No Need to stage protests . Those actions will fall on deaf ears. Just stop giving service to the church. Don't volunteer in your parish and send your donations out of the diocese. Only lack of money and help will get attention. When enough money is withheld and there are no funds, the bishops will move on to torture someone else.
During the First Bush War in
During the First Bush War in 1991, there was just one US Bishop who publicly opposed War on the basis it was not just. He was Juneau Bishop Michael Kenny, articulate, smart, fit, young (50) and healthy as an ox. A few years after the war ended, in 1995 Bishop Kenny made a pilgrimmage to the Cursed Land, where he died suddenly and unexpectedly of an aneurysm while touring ancient ruins, somewhat reminiscent of the unexpected and unexplained death of Pope John Paul the First, wink, wink. Did this occur shortly after someone served him with a cup of coffee? Now there is not one Bishop who publicly opposes this war-of-atrocity-by-drone-killer-planes now in its 8th-year-of-injustice, all supported by the cuff-link-wearing death-penalty-supporting bishops and their lobbyists George Weasel and Michael Novak and that un-Christian embarrasment Donohue.
Thank you Eugene Kennedy.
Thank you Eugene Kennedy. Not only informative, but an entertaining read.
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