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Thoughts from Rome: the Vatican newspaper, religious life
Early December in Rome is usually a period of relative calm, as things begin to slow down ahead of the Christmas holidays. That makes it a good moment to take stock, looking back to the major turning points of the past year and ahead to things to come.
Two conversations I’ve had this week illustrate that stock-taking mood.
One was with Giovanni Maria Vian, editor in chief of L’Osservatore Romano, looking back at the recent contretemps over presentation of the pope’s book-length interview with German journalist Peter Seewald, and ahead to the 150th anniversary of the Vatican newspaper next year. The other came with Archbishop Joseph Tobin, an American who since September has served as Secretary of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, about issues facing religious life and the internal culture of the Vatican itself.
Excerpts from both interviews appear below. I sat down with Tobin on Dec. 6, and Vian on Dec. 9.
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To illustrate that the more things change, the more they stay the same, it’s worth recalling that L’Osservatore Romano was born 150 years ago amid the Vatican crisis of its day: the collapse of the Papal States. When Rome fell nine years after the paper was born, L’Osservatore became the voice of popes who declared themselves “prisoners of the Vatican.”
Over the years, L’Osservatore Romano has played a unique dual role -- both a vehicle for the Vatican to get its message out, but also a forum for serious journalistic analysis and commentary. During the Fascist era, for example, L’Osservatore was sometimes the only paper in Italy not under the thumb of the Mussolini regime, and it was widely read as the only reliable source of insight about what was really going on.
In some ways, the tension between being a house organ and a world-class newspaper has become even more prominent since Vian took charge in October 2007. By adding timely interviews and columns, beefed-up global news coverage, and thoughtful pieces on culture and the arts, Vian has turned L’Osservatore into a must-read. Critics, however, say the price of Vian’s revolution is that his livelier, more unpredictable L’Osservatore sometimes sows confusion about the official positions of the Vatican or the Catholic Church.
The roll-out of Benedict XVI’s recent book-length interview with German journalist Peter Seewald offers a classic case in point. Critics claim that L’Osservatore went off half-cocked by publishing extracts from the book, including the pope’s fateful lines on condoms, on Saturday, Nov. 21, ahead of the embargo established for other media outlets. They also say the pope’s words were published out of context, in way that seemed calculated for sensational impact rather than understanding. Vian denies both charges.
To mark the paper’s 150th anniversary, a new book has been published called Singolarissimo Giornale (“Very Unique Newspaper”), a title which comes from a phrase once used by Pope Paul VI to describe L’Osservatore Romano. The book collects essays from a number of historians and journalists commenting on the Vatican paper’s story over the last 150 years.
I sat down with Vian yesterday in the offices of L’Osservatore Romano to discuss the anniversary and the paper’s role today -- including the controversy over the pope’s book.
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Giovanni Maria VianWhat’s the significance of this anniversary?
First of all, it’s fairly rare for a newspaper to reach such a milestone. One hundred and fifty years is a long time! Also, the paper has changed a great deal. It was actually born as a private initiative in 1861. At the time, it wasn’t ‘official’ because it didn’t belong to the Holy See, and it remained independent even after the fall of Rome to the Italian nationalists.
After 1885, it became the property of the Holy See. Of course, that increased its authoritative status. Papal control grew, and the paper acquired more prestige and fame. It became the expression, the voice -- because Vatican Radio didn’t exist at the time -- of a pope who didn’t have any other way to make himself heard.
Aside from the details of this history, the story of L’Osservatore basically is the story of how the Holy See has engaged modernity, especially the modern world of information and communication. It hasn’t been afraid to enter into this new world.
Your status as the ‘Vatican newspaper’ doesn’t mean that the pope, or somebody acting on his behalf, actually reads and approves every word before you publish it.
No, and that’s never been how things work. Technically, the only ‘official’ part of the newspaper is the ‘Our Information’ column. [Usually published on the front page, ‘Our Information’ is a brief list of appointments, audiences, and other official papal acts.]
Naturally, L’Osservatore Romano is the only newspaper of the Vatican, and so it has a certain authority. However, it’s an authority derived from its long history and its capacity to interpret the point of view of the Holy See, the pope, and the Secretariat of State, not from being directly approved. The pope is our ‘editor,’ in the sense of being the owner of the paper, through the Secretariat of State and the substitute. But we come out every day, and it’s just not possible for anyone to approve the content beforehand.
How do you see the role of L’Osservatore Romano today?
In a sense it’s the role the paper has always had, which is to be, in the words of Paul VI, a lighthouse that gives direction to life. In reality, it’s actually a rather small paper, with just a few thousand copies printed every day … around 13,000 to 15,000, more or less. Of course, you have to add all the editions in the other languages, and the agreements we’ve worked out with other media agencies to carry versions of the paper.
Because we don’t have a massive circulation, sometimes people think we must be an official bulletin published in Latin, but it’s not like that. In truth, L’Osservatore Romano is a fairly "lay" newspaper, one that tries to appeal to a "lay" readership.
You’re the Vatican newspaper, but you also want to be a timely, provocative paper that appeals to today’s media marketplace. Is there a tension between those two goals?
That’s the challenge, and it’s the same challenge the pope himself faces. Benedict XVI is very much in touch with today’s world. He talks about subjects such as death, judgment, Heaven and Hell, as he does in the encyclical Spe Salvi, not so much by drawing on authors from the Christian tradition, but figures such as Plato and Aristotle, as well as contemporary philosophers and writers such as Dostoevsky. One of our columnists, Lucetta Scaraffia, actually wrote an essay about the pope titled, ‘A pope who speaks to everyone.’
With a pope like that, his newspaper also has to be capable of talking to everyone. That’s what we try to do, within the limits of our abilities and our resources. … Believe me, we make mistakes every day. Soon after I arrived, we made a statistical mistake on the number of religious. We said there was a "collapse" in religious life because we read the numbers incorrectly. Of course, we immediately ran a correction. When journalists called me about it, I gave them a sound-bite: "Our newspaper certainly isn’t infallible. That’s our editor, and even he isn’t infallible all the time!"
Was the way you presented the pope’s book, and especially his comments on condoms, one of those mistakes?
I don’t think so. Because it had already been decided that various media agencies would be able to run material from the book on Sunday morning, we didn’t have any choice other than to publish our extracts on Saturday afternoon. [The Sunday edition of L’Osservatore Romano is always published Saturday afternoon.]
Some people said we published the extracts without enough context, but in my opinion, if you read the parts we selected, they speak for themselves perfectly clearly. That’s also true, by the way, of the famous section on condoms.
Of course, there was confusion about the translation of the word "prostitute," but that wasn’t up to us. In fact, I was concerned about the translation on another point, having to do with the Good Friday prayer in the old Latin Mass. The Italian translation was confusing, because it seemed to say the exact opposite of the pope’s thinking. What the pope said is that he didn’t want a prayer for the conversion of the Jews, but in the Italian text there was a double negative that seemed like an affirmation -- making it sound like the pope wanted such a prayer. I realized the translation was a problem, and I went to the original German text and we corrected it.
In the case of the word "prostitute," we didn’t do that, but it wasn’t the central point anyway. We weren’t interested in creating a scandal.
You weren’t looking for a ‘scoop’?
Absolutely not. That would be ridiculous.
Anyway, the "scoop" was already there, in the advance versions of the text itself. We tried to show fair play with respect to other publications, because aside from a few words on drug abuse, we didn’t publish anything from the three chapters of the book which other publications were allowed to use. [Note: Other publications were authorized by the Vatican Publishing House to use material from chapters 1, 6 and 17 on Nov. 21, material which did not include the lines on condoms.] We didn’t want to steal material from the other newspapers.
To be clear: You did not violate any ‘embargo’.
Absolutely not.
Looking back, is there a lesson to learn from the controversy over the book?
We already knew that our newspaper is carefully read and carefully followed, especially by specialists … by colleagues in the news business, by diplomats, and so on. Our readers may not be numerous, but they’re influential. But in this case, the important thing wasn’t anything L’Osservatore Romano said, but the words of the pope himself. I’m not sure anything we might have done would have changed very much.
The fact is that the pope decided to give an interview to a journalist he’s known for a long time, a journalist who obviously has his trust, and he’s produced a very interesting book. If this episode has helped increase the book’s circulation, we can’t be anything other than satisfied.
One problem in perceptions of L’Osservatore Romano is that most Catholics around the world never actually see the news, interviews, columns, and so on that you provide every day. Probably the only three things most American Catholics know, for example, are that you said something positive about President Obama, you’ve carried friendly pieces on ‘The Simpsons’ and Michael Jackson, and that you shot the pope’s words on condoms around the world.
Sure, but that doesn’t represent the reality. I can admit there are legitimate criticisms to be made of the work we do, both my work as editor-in-chief and that of all our journalists. But, I can promise you that there’s no malevolent intent with respect to the pope! It would be like a journalist trying to undercut his own editor or publisher -- that journalist would be fired within the arc of 24 hours.
Wouldn’t it help if Catholics around the world could get the content of the newspaper directly, and in real time?
Of course, but the problem is that our resources are limited. Ideally, all the principal articles would be quickly translated into English and other languages and put on line. We’re trying to think about that, in cooperation with other communications departments of the Holy See.
It’s a serious challenge, and we’ll see if this 150th anniversary can help us to achieve a more effective and more rapid presence … at least, we ought to be translated into English and Spanish. The problem is to find translators of high quality who can work fast. It’s a problem of resources, both economic and human, but we’re aware of it and we’re working on it.
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Archbishop Joseph Tobin, 58, is an American who grew up in Detroit, and who served two terms as superior of the Redemptorist order prior to his appointment as the Vatican’s number two official for religious life in August. Earlier this week, I published what Tobin had to say about the visitation of religious women in the United States. That story can be found here: http://ncronline.org/news/women-religious/vatican-official-speaks-strate...
Here, I’ll offer the rest of our conversation.
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Archbishop Joseph W. Tobin holds his pastoral staff during his episcopal ordination in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican Oct. 9. (CNS)One issue that bishops from religious orders have to navigate is how much to play up, or play down, their connection to their order. Some continue to wear their habits, for example, while others don’t. How are you managing it?
I’m still learning. Sometimes I wear my habit with a pectoral cross and a skullcap, and occasionally I get a little flack. It’s still all fairly new, and I haven’t worked out my position on everything. I sometimes think that if I’m ever self-absorbed enough to write my memoirs, this chapter would be titled ‘Joe’s marvelous adventure in bi-polarity!’
For people who don’t know your office very well, can you describe what you spend most of your time doing?
One would think that it’s mostly documents, and to be honest there is a surprising amount of documents. But I think of it a bit like being a parish priest, because in a parish you have to shift gears. You’re dealing one moment with a boiler that doesn’t work, then you’re dealing with a couple in crisis, and then it’s somebody who’s lost their grandmother. I find in my position that a lot of people just drop in, especially bishops and archbishops and abbots and mothers superior.
What do they want to talk about?
A bishop might drop in to say he’s really worried about a convent of contemplative nuns in his diocese, whose average age is 80 and the mother superior is suffering from dementia. He’s really concerned about care for the sisters, but he knows he can’t interfere. So, what can he do? Another example might be a bishop who wants religious in his diocese. I was talking last week with a bishop who I’ve known in the past from Burundi, and he would love to have more religious in his diocese. It’s a very difficult part of the world.
Usually at least once a week we meet with groups of bishops who are making their ad limina visit, and I find that very important. We get the synopsis of their reports, especially the sections that deal with religious, maybe a week to ten days before the actual visitation. The times that I’ve chaired the meetings, I find it’s enough to welcome them and to say, ‘What are your concerns?’
Do you find those ad limina meetings useful?
I do, because it gives you a chance to hear how the bishops, at least, perceive things. It also gives you a chance to promote a mutual exchange, because sometimes bishops will have some very severe judgments about religious. I’ll ask, ‘Well, when do you talk to religious?’ I like to quote Horace, who says I can’t love what I don’t know. I tell them that’s also true for the religious, who find it much harder to love you as the diocesan bishop if they don’t know who you are.
In terms of bishops who have severe judgments about religious, do you find they typically come from a particular part of the world?
I would say they tend to be less present in Asia and Africa. Last week, for example, we had an ad limina visit from the Philippines, and there seems to be more of a spirit of cooperation. There are other countries where there are real serious juxtapositions either between religious and diocesan leaders, or religious and the national conference of bishops. Unfortunately that tends to happen right at the moment when the country needs a united witness, and they’re not getting it. I think that’s serious.
What kinds of issues create those tensions?
I think there are issues of authority. Sometimes there are accusations that religious want to form a parallel church, or a parallel magisterium. Religious may perceive that bishops are unnecessarily intrusive into the internal affairs of religious orders. Bishops sometimes believe that the religious are contradicting them publicly, or opposing them, on some of the cultural questions, the ‘culture wars.’ The conflict between some members of the national conference in the States and the Catholic Health Association would be an example. Where we can, we want to be of help in trying to address those tensions.
Can you spot how the issues facing religious life vary depending upon what part of the world you’re in?
Sure. I travelled around the world for 18 years, and now in a sense the world comes to us. If you ask people in Western Europe or North America, the big issues would be the visitation of nuns in America, or the Irish visitation [in the wake of the sexual abuse crisis], or the question of religious involved in sexual abuse. In Africa, there are different issues. One might be the fate of small orders of nuns of diocesan right, which sometimes are just abandoned.
There are also structures in the church that make it very difficult to take a sort of corporate approach to individual problems. One that our dicastery began to deal with a couple years ago, but never followed through on, is the question of monasteries of the contemplative life. A bishop may have legitimate concerns, like the example I gave earlier of the bishop worried about the aging sisters, but he has no authority to get involved. If there’s an authority that can step in, I suppose it would be us, but for us to try to do everything from Rome is very unwieldy too. I don’t think our dicastery is in a position to be a very good mother to these thousands of monasteries, although they’re highly concentrated in two countries, Spain and Italy. I met a couple of weeks ago with a representative of an association of 27 Ursuline convents in Germany, and they have no structure that can deal with the individual problems. There’s no forum or central authority.
People turn to us and they say, ‘What can we do?’ I think one of the answers is that our dicastery owes it to the church to build on a reflection that was begun a couple of years ago. One of our meetings had to do with this theme, but everything has kind of been on people’s desks since then. I’m hoping we can move it forward, to try to get some practical guidelines to help bishops and religious to deal with these questions.
It’s important, because in the kind of situation I’m describing, not only can the contemplatives sometimes not care for themselves, but they may be prey to some really unscrupulous people. Some of these convents have a patrimony of art, or land, or whatever, which some people would love to get their hands on, and they do.
How about the internal culture of the Vatican? Have you discovered anything you didn’t know before?
I always suspected that dicasteries don’t talk to each other very much, but now being on the inside, I can say it’s a challenge. It’s especially important if you’re trying to offer a united front, or to foster a cooperative effort on a single problem. It’s a work in progress … I don’t think cooperation is built into the system.
Another discovery has been the new forms of consecrated life which are emerging. I was fairly familiar with the people I would meet with, like the Dominicans and Jesuits and Franciscans, and the major orders of women religious. These new orders coming into being in France, or in the States, or wherever, weren’t so familiar, and it’s been interesting to listen to them and to try to understand their own particular intuition.
Can you give an example?
I met a group in the States that I had never heard of, called the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity. They’re down in Texas. They include priests, consecrated woman, and married couples. I met with them a couple of weeks ago, and then I met with the bishop of Corpus Christi, which is where their main American center is. That was new for me.
Last week I met a group of Spanish from the Isle of Majorca, although they told me that they’re in 34 countries now, called the Verbum Dei Missionary Fraternity. Once again, they would be a mix of consecrated men, consecrated women, and what they would call ‘consecrated couples.’ Theologically, that raises interesting questions.
There’s growth out there as well as decline?
Absolutely. Last week we considered a Poor Clare monastery in Spain which has a very charismatic abbess, who has 120 young sisters whose average age is 35. That was a new experience!
I have a problem with people who want to say that religious life is over, or that we’ve surpassed it and a new paradigm has to emerge. You can say religious life has problems, sure, and you should say it … it’s obvious, it’s the truth. But to say that it’s over seems a little arrogant, because that presumes it was our idea to begin with, and that we have a right to declare it dead. I don’t think we do.
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As a footnote, there was a brief flurry of speculation late last week about who Tobin’s new boss at the Congregation for Religious might be.
Veteran Italian Vatican writer Andrea Tornielli floated the hypothesis that Honduran Cardinal Oscar Rodríguez Maradiaga, 67, might take over from 76-year-old Slovenian Cardinal Franc Rodé, in part because of the precariousness of Rodríguez’s situation in Honduras. (He’s received death threats because of his efforts to heal divisions opened up by a 2009 change in government in Honduras denounced by some as a coup.) Moreover, as Tornielli notes, there’s presently a shortage of Latin Americans in senior Vatican positions.
Many observers in Rome, however, remain dubious about the prospect of Rodríguez taking over at the Congregation for Religious.
For one thing, he doesn’t have a personal tie to Benedict XVI from the years when the future pope led the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which has become something of a prerequisite for a senior Vatican post, and his profile as a theological moderate isn’t necessarily an asset. Moreover, Rodríguez is a Salesian, and there are already three Salesians heading Vatican offices: Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary of State; Cardinal Angelo Amato, of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints; and Cardinal Rafaelle Farina, of the Vatican Secret Archives.
Even in a time of an obvious ‘Salesian ascendancy’ under Benedict XVI, some believe that Rodríguez Maradiaga might just be one Salesian too many.
[John Allen is NCR senior correspondent. His e-mail address is jallen@ncronline.org.]
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My thanks to John Allen for
My thanks to John Allen for his ever stimulating and thought provoking pieces, even when one disagrees with him.
In a future incarnation he might well be considered for the office of Prefect of a Dicastery in a re-structured Vatican....!
He just may in a future
He just may in a future incarnation, come back as a bird and make a visitation to the Vatican with all statements and detractions he has had to accommodate for his readers.
Tobin better get on the
Tobin better get on the ball....per my 'google-ing', the "society of our lady etc" was founded in 1958 and is in 16 countries and the "Verbum Dei" group recieved pontifical approval in 2000. seems there is a lot of stuff flying under his radar.... Joe
From their website, "The
From their website, "The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT) was founded in 1958 by Fr. James Flanagan". There are SO many orders, I doubt ANYONE knows about all of them.
I'll give Tobin a break....just because he wasn't aware of this group, doesn't diminish his capacity to do an effective job.
Very true.
Very true.
A huge thank you to John
A huge thank you to John Allen Jr and Archbishop Tobin for this interview.
It informs us how unfair this entire procedure in regards to women religious in America is. The bishops present reports and information about religious women and their convents, art and land patrimonies, and Tobin sees the issue as the need to get the bishops authority to step in and take over.
However, that is wrong to hand over all authority, decision making and ownership of assets of the religious women to bishops. To hand over all authority and decision making and patrimonies to bishops instead of to the religious women. This ABUSE of women religious must not be allowed.
The abuses too many bishops inflicted and still inflict on the world with the sex scandals will be repeated with further abuses on religious women when bishops are granted authority over these religious women's destiny, their properties, convents, patrimonies of art or finances.
Some bishops misunderstand the religious women or lack any real respect for women. Some bishops are angry that any women have any autonomy or independence at all. Some bishops seek the money and art or property the religious women have and want it for themselves.
The religious women are not given any dignity, justice, fairness, are treated like subhumans who have no autonomy and no repect. Their assets can be pillaged by the bishops and their mandates denounced by bishops who have no respect for them or have malficient motives to silence, disband women religious they judge as not worthy. Flimsy excuses or trumped up evidence can be made to access the women religious's property and assets.
Thank you for this very informative article and journalism. It shows again the abominable way women are treated in the RCC. It confirms how wrong this Visitation is and what its purpose is.
Note the glaring one-sidedness of this, that the women religious involved are not really consulted and not really involved in this process at all other than being subjected to the dictates of the bishops. This is horrendous and the pope is very wicked to allow this to go on. Do the women go into the bishop's residence and appropriate his property or declare him null and void? This is appalling and must be stopped. It lacks mercy, fairness, justice. It proves that the pope is again not a vicar of Jesus.
Go back and re-read the
Go back and re-read the article. Tobin said just the opposite of what you have attributed to him. He wants the religious women (and men, for that matter) to have their own strategies and structures for dealing with monasteries and groups that are no longer viable.
I have trying the diocese and
I have trying the diocese and the bishops conference to make them speak to me about my feeling being called to the priesthood and over the period of thirty years they have told me once "John you are to old" I was 52 when I first presented myself to our local bishop and over that period of time .They kept silent until July 27/2010 . when again I approached our local bishop . This was the second time when I was told "John You are to old" For me this is a political statement . In Holland I was made quite familiar with the Social Teaching Of The Church . And as a future Oblate I wanted to make this my Ministry . I still have the feeling that the North American continent does not take this to serious . While if we look well around us that Capitalism at its best has let world society down. I am very much in agreement with the recently created Cardinal of Munich Germany Cardinal Marx that the social teaching is more needed than ever before . So that the middle Class in society not totally disappears . This is preaching the Gospel. You not only care of the middle class , at the same time you lift many poor out of their mysery . I hope that some one will hear this (bishops). What is needed and we see it happening all around the world . The cutbacks that are taking place in a number of countries, all because in 2008 October it is precisely at that point that capitalism has let down entire World down . Our local bishop most likely saw this a political statement . which is so far from the truth . All I want is to preach the The Social teaching of the Church. This is preaching the Gospel aware that an entire nation and most likely also a whole continent have fallen victim of that what did happen in October 2008 . The Financial breakdown .
Many would differ with you
Many would differ with you that Capitalism has "let the world down." Despite all of its flaws, like any socio-political/economic system, it has brought about such betterment and freedoms for so many around the world, it staggers the imagination when studied. On the issue of your age and priesthood, I had a discussion this past weekend on that very point with a friend who is planning to apply for seminary. He is 36 right now and wants to begin studies soon, before he turns 40 or so. He told me - and it made only some sense to me - that candidates above the age of 45 are not generally viewed very favorably, because after the course of study before ordination, the number of years such a mature priest would be of active service to the Church is less that what would be most useful. Of course, that thinking seems to me to be rather foolish given the severe shortage of priests, and just look at the age of popes when elected (or cardinals, bishops, abbots, superior generals, etc. although they have many years of priestly/religious life behind them). I sincerely hope you find a way of reaching your goal - if not, perhaps God has other plans for you and your service to the Church.
The women must retain
The women must retain autonomy . So much further abuses of the religious women will continue to occur if the religious orders of women are denied control over their own patrimonies and fate. Most of the bishops have proven they lack the integrity and credibility to have control over the lives and property of others, including the women religious. This is extrememly alarming and harmful if autonomy is denied to the women religious.
The women must retain
The women must retain autonomy . So much further abuses of the religious women will continue to occur if the religious orders of women are denied control over their own patrimonies and fate. Most of the bishops have proven they lack the integrity and credibility to have control over the lives and property of others, including the women religious. This is extrememly alarming and harmful if autonomy is denied to the women religious.
God Bless John Allen and his
God Bless John Allen and his family in this season and always, with my greatest gratitude for his wise, insightful and ever engaging and accurate reporting
meanwhile on a much much more minor note, it might be interesting to know that while amazon this buying season permits several sycophant five star (the highest rating) reviews of Seewald's shameless work, sold in a most timely manner in this season, and with the loudest publicity stunt imaginable, which received coverage worldwide, amazon does not post more reasoned reviews of one star (the lowest rating).
I've tried several times and no go.
You try.
Pope Benedixt XVI picked
Pope Benedixt XVI picked Seewald to do this book. What are you saying Charles? Pope Benedict XVI made a mistake?
"Sometimes there are
"Sometimes there are accusations that religious want to form a parallel church, or a parallel magisterium."
Just because an accusation is made does not mean that it has merit. When one considers the circumstance and soure of the accusation one needs ask: What was to be gained by making this accusation?
One answer to this question is that Archbishop Francis of Chicago was looking for cover for what in effect was his own USCCB leadership failure during the health care act debates.
The magesterium can not be divided; clearly though it can provide cover for episcopal error such as intruding on the work of the laity in the world. (Yes, laity worked for USCCB and Archbishop Francis there; but somehow or another he did not respect the boundaries of his calling as bishop (teach, govern, sanctify).
Vian is dead wrong on three
Vian is dead wrong on three points:
1. "...we didn’t have any choice other than to publish our extracts on Saturday afternoon. [The Sunday edition of L’Osservatore Romano is always published Saturday afternoon..." As the U.S. publisher, we worked with, e.g. the New York Times, on a plan to release the embargoed material. As the embargo on all but three (innocuous) chapters was ended at 4:30am Eastern Time on Nov. 23rd. the NYT agreed that they would print the print edition on the evening of the 22nd, but not put the embargoed material on line until Tuesday morning at 4:30am. L'Osservatore Romano could have done the same. But they didn't, they went on line Saturday afternoon. (I suspect it was *before* the print edition, because I found out in Florida around 1pm [7pm Rome time]; but that's not the critical point and I may be wrong on this.)
2. "Some people said we published the extracts without enough context, but in my opinion, if you read the parts we selected, they speak for themselves perfectly clearly. That’s also true, by the way, of the famous section on condoms." The proof that they don't speak for themselves is that there is still controversy on what the Pope actually meant. But there were 2 pages on the condom issue. The first page and a half gave the context. Then came a somewhat ambiguous statement which prompted the interviewer to ask if the Pope was saying that the Church no longer opposed in principle the use of condoms. Then the Pope clarifies the previous statement by saying that the Church can't consider condom use "a real or moral solution". I.e. it's immoral. By printing the one ambiguous statement (with two translation errors not L'OR's fault--but they might have checked the original, knowing that this would be controversial) without the preceding context or the following clarification, L'OR was culpably irresponsible.
3. "aside from a few words on drug abuse, we didn’t publish anything from the three chapters of the book which other publications were allowed to use". Simply false and if Vian isn't lying he is remarkably stupid. He has to know this has been a controversial issue. And he has to know that the condom remark was not in the three chapters not under the embargo. As John Allen indicates, those were chapters 1, 7, and 16. The condom remarks were in chapter 10, nowhere near the other chapters. So when Vian responds to the question of whether he violated to the embargo: "Absolutely not.", he is, not to put too fine a point on it, lying. He has admitted that all but three chapters were embargoed. He published a statement he had to know (or he really should be fired) would be controversial. And he had to know that the statement was not in the three non-embargoed chapters.
QED.
Mea culpa. In my haste, I
Mea culpa.
In my haste, I misread part of what Vian said. I was corrected by a friend as follows:
I think Vian says he *didn’t* publish material from the three chapters, apart from the *drug abuse* stuff, because he didn’t want to “steal” from other publications.
Anyway, Vian is comical. LOR in effect “scooped” other publications by publishing material before (on Saturday afternoon) anyone else was allowed to publish *any* of the book, including the “three chapters”. And Vian says he didn’t want to scoop anyone and did it because he did not want to “steal” material from other publishers that everyone could publish the next day anyway!
And he says he had no choice but to publish on Saturday afternoon for the Sunday edition, but most of the material he published on Saturday for the Sunday edition was embargoed until Tuesday, not Sunday. If you wanted to stretch things and say you published on Saturday afternoon stuff you were allowed to publish on Sunday, you might be able to make the case to a drunken judge. But claiming you didn’t break the embargo even though you published on Saturday stuff you weren’t allowed to publish until Tuesday would pep up even the inebriated magistrate.
The women Religious brought
The women Religious brought this on themselves by decades of dissent from the teachings of the Church. They rejected all previous attempts to get them to reform in line with the actual documents of Vatican II. They seem to think that they are accountable to no one.
I remember one elderly Sister telling me how her Congregation had been taken over by radical feminists. She sighed and said that there was nothing she could do as she was bedridden. Her most telling comment was, "I must be careful. When I push the buzzer it is they who decide whether or not they will come to help me."
Please, folks, just let me
Please, folks, just let me exhibit my ignorance: what is an order of nuns of diocesan right?
An Order of Nuns/Sister of
An Order of Nuns/Sister of Diocesan rite are under the direct control of a local Bishop. Basically, the Bishop is their congregation leader. As opposed to a congregation of Pontifical rite (such as the Jesuits, or Christian Brothers) who have an appointed Superior General (who typically lives in Rome) and have congregational chapters within a given time frame to set up their own governance and structures, etc. All of this is dependent on the approval of the office of religious at the Vatican.
This was an interesting duo
This was an interesting duo of interviews. As always however, when too much is attempted it's difficult to assimilate or ascertain the point of the article. I guess, in this case, one has to fall back to its headline: "Thoughts from Rome" realizing John's own thoughts from Rome are revealed only in the questions asked.
I have a few observations. 1)With regard to the L'OSSERVATORE ROMANO interview with Mr. Vian, editor-in-chief: By what criterion is Feodor Dostoevsky (1821-1881)and others such as himself classed among "contemporary philosophers and writers?" This kind of public proclamation doesn't exactly endear me to this editor as authority. 2)Question: Isn't the Lucretia Saraffia the same columnist who wrote an essay mentioning that women theologians in the Vatican aren't too well respected? Didn't that bring wrath upon her head? If that's the case the issue certainly fulfilled a wish for "provocative and timely paper". 3)After completing the interview with Archbishop Tobin you bring out scuttlebut regarding Cardinal Rode's possible successor and give some pro/con thoughts about Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradriaga of Honduras in that position. Among the -cons you say this: his "profile as a theological moderate isn't necessarily an asset." What are you attempting to imply? Must the head of this dicastery be a theological extremist? If so, what side must he represent? And, by the way, what exactly is a "theological moderate"? A theological fence-sitter? I think Jesus had something to say about being neither hot nor cold. What light, if any, does this shed on the question?
Thank you, as always, for a column that respects the intelligence of your readers even if they are sometimes overly long as this one was.
A most interesting and
A most interesting and revealing report. Thanks. The Church faces the greatest challenge to its authority in 500 years, with almost daily embarrassments of one kind or another, and the bishops fume and fuss over archbishop Tobin wearing his habit instead of the ridiculous purple and lace diva's dress of theirs? Well, at least we know what they think is truly important these days.
Let's hear more about Tobin
Let's hear more about Tobin before he receives a promotion.
I am still worried over John Allen's interview with him from last week. In that interview, Archbishop Tobin uses disturbing language which may reveal a disparaging attitude toward women. I recall something similar to his saying, "the sisters have been punched and have the right to respond."
NO! Anyone who 'punches' has the right to be jailed. A classic domestic violence perpetrator will 'grant' his victim the right to say something after a beating.
Let us hope that the Honduran
Let us hope that the Honduran cardinal is considered for papal election when the time comes.
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