Global priest shortages, faith and reason in the U.K. and a loss in Ohio

I've said this so often I probably ought to have it printed on T-shirts: The most important Catholic story of our time is the demographic shift from the global north to the south, with two-thirds of the Catholics in the world today living in the southern hemisphere, a share that will rise to three-quarters by the middle of the century.

As a result, Latin America, Africa and Asia will play a far greater role in setting the tone for the global church.

One underutilized resource for pondering this transition is the missionary orders, with their long experience navigating cultural gaps. As it happens, I received two fascinating reflections this week from veteran missionaries, one an Italian Comboni serving in the Philippines, Fr. Renzo Carraro, and the other an American Jesuit currently in Malawi after many years in Zambia, Fr. Pete Henriot.

Although each covered a variety of topics, they intersect at a critical point: priest shortages and their frightening pastoral implications.

Admittedly, the idea of priest shortages in the global south may be counterintuitive for Catholics in Europe and the United States. Looking around, it's easy to get the impression of a surplus, given our growing reliance on priests from Africa, Asia and Latin America to plug holes here. In the United States, one of out every six priests is now foreign-born, and we add 300 international priests every year. It's a rare American diocese that doesn't have at least a handful of priests from locales such as Nigeria or India.

This trend has sometimes been labeled the "reverse mission," implying that territories that were once the object of missionary activity are now returning the favor, dispatching zealous young priests to revive the faith in moribund regions of the West.

That's a compelling vision, but it hides a basic flaw: The math doesn't work.

Massive Catholic growth across the southern hemisphere in the late 20th century did generate a bumper crop of new vocations, but it also made priest shortages worse, not better, because the church can baptize people much more rapidly than it can ordain them. In the United States and Europe, the priest-to-baptized Catholic ratio today is 1 in 1,300; in Africa, it's almost 1 in 5,000; in Southeast Asia, it's 1 in 5,300; and in Latin America, it's a staggering 1 in 7,000.

Missionaries such as Carraro and Henriot stand on the frontlines of those gaps, and, taken together, their essays call for reflection on two points:

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  • Opening the priesthood to the viri probati, meaning tested married men;
  • Reconsidering the current migration of priests from south to north, when arguably they're far more needed at home.

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Carraro, now 74 after a lifetime of serving in Africa and the Philippines, issued a manifesto in favor of the viri probati.

Drawing on his experience in the Philippines, he writes that the smallest parishes in Manila, the urban capital, have around 25,000 faithful, while typical parishes more often have 50,000, 70,000, even 150,000 Catholics, all served by a single priest.

In rural areas, the situation is even worse: "Priests are obligated to run here and there to celebrate Mass, up to nine in a single day," Carraro writes, "with no time for the ministry of confession or catechesis."

He says students in Catholic schools often are constrained to go up to two or three years without the opportunity to make a confession because it's not available.

Carraro warns that unless something changes, the Philippines is poised to go the way of Latin America, with massive defections from the Catholic church to new Protestant "sects," usually meaning Evangelical and Pentecostal movements. Already, he writes, of the 90 million people in the Philippines, about 20 million have joined groups such as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, followers of "Apollo Quiboloy," the "Iglesia ni Kristu" and countless others.

"What a shame," Carraro says, "to see our best Catholic men, whom we didn't allow in leadership because they're married, come back as Protestant reverends formed with a strong missionary spirit."

Carraro disassociated his plea for married clergy from more sweeping demands for reform, including the ordination of women, recently tabled by priests in Austria, Belgium and elsewhere. Faithful Catholics, he wrote, "are not expecting a change in that sector," and such "extremist" positions, he said, actually weaken the case for the viri probati.

For his part, Henriot was reacting to Benedict XVI's recent trip to Benin, especially the pope's document summing up a 2009 Synod of Bishops for Africa. Henriot, who's 75, found much to like, but also much to question.

Most relevant for our purposes are Henriot's thoughts on the priest shortage. He regrets that Benedict's insistence on Sunday as a holy day of obligation omits any mention "of the tragic and untenable situation that every Sunday in Africa, more and more Catholics are denied participation in the Eucharist because of the paucity of ordained priests."

While Benedict encouraged African bishops to respond "generously" to requests for priests from other parts of the world, Henriot calls for caution. He observes that during the 2009 synod, the African bishops simply noted that many of their priests are serving abroad, but they didn't encourage the practice.

"I feel more evaluation is needed of where is the greater need," Henriot writes.

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The comments from Carraro and Henriot reflect perspectives across the global south.

Some southern bishops see the movement of priests from south to north as a Catholic version of unjust migration patterns. Archbishop John Onaiyekan of Abuja, Nigeria, put it this way in a 2006 interview: "What we don't want is to get into a Gastarbeiter situation, where a European priest feels overwhelmed having to say three Masses on Sunday, and so he wants a black man to say them. Surely this is not where the church wants to go, getting poor people to do jobs that the rich don't want to do, as today happens in other walks of life."

Onaiyekan understands why his brother bishops permit their priests to go abroad -- because it generates revenue. An African priest serving in the States typically returns some share of his salary to his local church; plus he has the opportunity to raise funds during annual missionary appeals and to promote sister parish relationships. Onaiyekan argues, however, that Western Catholics who want to support Africa ought to find ways of doing so that don't fuel a "brain drain" among their clergy.

Such perspectives also have been voiced, albeit episodically, in the Vatican.

In 2001, the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, the Vatican's missionary arm, issued a document titled "Instruction on the Sending Abroad and Sojourn of Diocesan Priests from Mission Territories." It warned that priests sent to study in Europe or the States often put down roots, in part because they're attracted by higher living conditions, in part because bishops in the north see them as a way of relieving shortages of their own clergy.

Slovenian Cardinal Jozef Tomko, then prefect of the congregation, said such transfers are damaging. India, Tomko said, doesn't have enough priests to take care of its 17 million Catholics, yet at that time there were 39 priests from India working in one Italian diocese alone. Overall, Tomko said, there were 1,800 foreign priests in Italy, with more than 800 working in direct pastoral care.

"Many new dioceses could be created in mission territories with such a number of diocesan priests!" Tomko complained.

In the Catholic church of the future, it's likely there will be rising pressure from the global south to reconsider the global distribution of priests, as well as mandatory celibacy -- not for theological or ideological reasons, and not as the leading edge of a wider campaign of reform, but out of eminently practical and pastoral concerns.

The fact that such voices are likely to gain traction doesn't necessarily mean they're destined to prevail. Hearing them, however, will be part of the price of admission to the Catholic conversation of the 21st century.

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During the six years of Benedict's papacy, there have been several much-ballyhooed public relations meltdowns, but there have also been surprising triumphs, perhaps none as remarkable as the pontiff's bravura performance during his Sept. 16-19, 2010, trip to the United Kingdom.

The trip began amid predictions of disaster, including proposals from high-profile atheists and human rights activists to slap handcuffs on the pontiff for his role in the sexual abuse crisis. Yet in the end, Benedict led what amounted to a four-day national seminar on dialogue between religious faith and secular culture, and he seemed to get through. Prime Minister David Cameron told him, "Holy Father, you forced us to sit up and listen!"

This week, Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster delivered a lecture at Netherhall House, an Opus Dei-affiliated residence for university students in London, extending Benedict's argument by identifying three areas where religion can play a positive role in a pluralistic and tolerant secular milieu.

Those areas, as Nichols sees them, are:

  • First, "the search for community," over against "the pressures of individualism and the fact of isolation." Nichols argued that religious groups have vast experience reconciling the individual and the communal, which is wisdom post-modern cultures desperately need: "Give up on respect for diversity, and we become either dominators or dominated. Give up on the search for universality, and ... we splinter into a thousand fragmented and isolated groups or even individuals."
  • Second, Benedict's notion of "human ecology" as a basis for ethical consensus. The Christian moral tradition, Nichols argued, can help strike the right balance between several human tensions: between being both relational and individual; between the spiritual and the corporeal; between existing in the present, but also as historical beings.
  • Third, "the work of caritas, or practical care for the poor and those in need." The Christian contribution, Nichols said, is a reminder that poverty can never be reduced to a technical or policy problem -- "there is always a profoundly human dimension to poverty" that must elicit "human love, accompaniment and solidarity."

Taken together, Nichols suggested, these areas of constructive engagement between religion and secularity point "a new place for religious belief in the public square."

That new space, Nichols said, is being marked out "not with a power or desire to impose religious beliefs or their consequences, but with the recognition that a mature and enlightened public square should reflect the beliefs of those who share its space ... The secular public square should not be faith-blind, but faith-sensitive, welcoming and testing reasoned argument."

It will be interesting to see whether the makers of manners in the U.K. take up Nichols' invitation to test reasoned argument -- even if it's rooted in something a pope had to say.

* * *

For all its woes, the Catholic church remains chock full of fascinating people -- both saintly souls and razor-sharp minds, visionaries and jokesters and savvy politicos, and every slice of life in between. The common denominator is that these are all compelling personalities who enrich one's life by the mere fact of being in it.

Alas, we lost one such personality last week, with the untimely death of Dominican Sr. Catherine Colby in Columbus, Ohio, on Dec. 2. Most recently, Colby had served as vice president for mission and identity as well as director of the Center for Dominican Studies at Ohio Dominican University in Columbus.

On a personal level, it's a shocking loss. I lectured at Ohio Dominican last Monday, where Sr. Catherine was my host. It was the third time she's brought me to the university over the years, and as always, she seemed amazingly full of life, laying plans for the future and dreaming great dreams about what the Center for Dominican Studies could continue to become.

Catherine was a classic embodiment of the best qualities of women's religious life in America -- tough, smart, willing to work as hard and as long as it took to get something done, with a keen sense of humor and a bottomless reservoir of faith.

Over the years, Sr. Catherine had served as a teacher and administrator in a variety of institutions, as well as vocation director and director of candidates for her Dominican congregation. In 2013, she was set to celebrate her Golden Jubilee as a Dominican sister.

I'm reminded of what longtime Vatican official Cardinal Jozef Tomko once said about the death of Pope John Paul II: "I miss him. On the other hand, it's good to have friends in Heaven!" For the scores of people whose lives Sr. Catherine touched, perhaps it's some consolation that we have a strong new friend in Heaven -- one, by the way, who won't be at all bashful about making the case for us when the time comes.

I invite prayers for the repose of Sr. Catherine's soul, for her family and her Dominican order, and for the community at Ohio Dominican University.

[John L. Allen Jr. is NCR's senior correspondent. His email address is jallen@ncronline.org.]

I find it remarkable that

I find it remarkable that people talk about the lack of priests, when the Church refuses to even discuss that they are intentionally blocking half of the population from ordination.

People may want to talk about

People may want to talk about what is actually possible in our lifetimes, rather than in the best of all possible worlds. Ordaining "viri probati" is being done today by the Eastern churches. Let's talk about what is actually possible today.

Married Deacons are Viri

Married Deacons are Viri Probati. Ordain them.

Celibacy is the Golden Calf

Celibacy is the Golden Calf that has replaced the priesthood. Celibacy is more important to the Curia than priests, charity, preaching or teaching. The bishops have forfeited their truthfulness by choosing celibacy over the priesthood. They are not equal and the bishops have chosen the dust for the gold.

Well, the Church has no

Well, the Church has no authority to ordain women, so why do you even raise the issue?

What is bound on earth will

What is bound on earth will be bound in heaven.

Anonymous 2 on Dec. 09,

Anonymous 2 on Dec. 09, 2011.

You stated:

"What is bound on earth will be bound in heaven."
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And the second part to that saying is "And what is unbound on earth will be
unbound in heaven."

It CAN be done.

Exactly right, Little Bear!

Exactly right, Little Bear!

Folks always seem to preach the first part of that Gospel quote, but conveniently omit the second part.

IT CAN BE DONE, IF ? Thanks,

IT CAN BE DONE, IF ? Thanks, Little Bear, for you irrepressible optimism.

John Allen's prognosis is faulty. Even if the vast majority of Catholics in the future are in the South, the Vatican's curial clique will remain predominately European, mainly Italians. They will continue to run the Church as they have for centuries and do so now---as their personal fiefdom.

The only realistic chance of this not occurring is if the inevitable criminal prosecution for child sexual abuse cover-ups of curial leaders and the related disclosures from their secret files leads to enough Catholics demanding fundamental change. It is clear the clique has little real concern for addressing child abuse or priest shortages.

Any objective assessment can lead to only one reasonable inference--Rome is ultimately interested in preserving the wealth and power of its leaders and bishops. Everything else is secondary.

But the single male Roman mentality has finally miscalculated fundamentally. They have egregiously flaunted Jesus' clear mandate to protect children. Catholic have accepted a lot of mystical nonsense and corruption in Rome, but they will not let their children be continuously raped by priests blindly defended by unaccountable bishops.

Sadly, the abuse scandal fallout is at present Catholics' best opportunity to return their Church to the consensual structure and prophetic reality the apostles left behind.

For an indication the pope still doesn't understand this, please note the NCR comment and cross links under the comment heading" "Why New Evangelization?" , accessible by clicking on at:

http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/b16-us-bishops-evangelize

I wonder what you think of

I wonder what you think of this article. It is fascinating.

http://www.thesestonewalls.com/gordon-macrae/be-wary-of-crusaders-the-de...

It is indeed facinating, but

It is indeed facinating, but contains a number of rather serious flaws. The author has missed many points in his application of psychodynamic theory, specifically in his commentary on the intrapsychic defense of reaction formation. In short, he applies it to such "crusaders" as SNAP, and ignores it's use by others (priests, bishops, etc.) and, surprisingly, himself. He is a priest in prison for, he states, being innocent of a charge of sexual misconduct of some sort. This condition, alone, pushes individuals into states of using the most primitive and rigid of defenses in order to maintain some sort of equilibrium and to survive the experience. One must read such writings with an understanding of the author, not just the direction he points us in.

Darn, we keep pray and keep

Darn, we keep pray and keep praying for those little celibates to tumble out of the sky and the HOly Spirit keeps sending us the married men and the unmarried and married women who live around the corner.

But like the Jewish authorites of old who were longing for a messiah, our marvelous leaders respond: This does not fit my idea of an answer to our prayer, therefore it cannot be the answer to our prayer.

So why all this anxiety and

So why all this anxiety and hand wringing over what the pope will or will not accept? Just leave and form a new Roman Orthodox Church.

Later, you can seek affiliation with the Polish National Catholics, the Western Rite of the RUCOR (Orthodox), or the "Catholic Ordinariate" within Anglicanism and Lutheranism. It's a lot bigger than Benny's largely failed enterprise for Anglican converts.

The EPUSA "ordinariate" now consists of hundreds of former Catholic priests serving in Anglican parishes.

What's not to like?

Jesus taught, "The kingdom of

Jesus taught, "The kingdom of heaven is WITHIN!" Heaven has never "Bound" the ordination of women! Some pope in the 1100's did and his name will forever be forgotten by 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of Catholics!

The men in Rome may not have

The men in Rome may not have authority to ordain women but "The Church", G*d's Church, already is.

Well, the question of women's

Well, the question of women's ordination is a big one in the ecumenical discussions between the Roman and Anglican Communions. Rome's continuing refusal to even start the conversation is one of the major barriers to full communion, and is frankly disrespectful towards Anglicans.

Of course, the Anglican

Of course, the Anglican church allowing openly gay men and women to become priests and bishops is not demonstrating disrespect toward the Catholic Church.

Of course, the Anglican

Of course, the Anglican church allowing openly gay men and women to become priests and bishops is not demonstrating disrespect toward the Catholic Church.
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No, what Rome does is sneak its gay priests into public ministry under the guise of being heterosexual, and then proudly beats its chest claiming "we don't ordain openly gay priests". What a bunch of whitened sepulchers and hypocrites.

John Drake, The Church has

John Drake, The Church has backed itself into a seemingly irreversible stance which can be changed. How that is accomplished will depend upon the willingness of this pope to cooperate. Will he be part of the forthcoming move to accept women' ordination, or is passed by altogether.

The total break-up of the Catholic Church into communions independent of Rome is inevitable. Many changes such as ending mandatory celibacy, developing a replacement for an archaic and unresponsive hierarchy, can wait any longer. The pope either leads or he must stand aside.

More importantly, the church

More importantly, the church has no authority to not ordain women. Tragically, what it truly lacks is wisdom, vision and will on this and many other urgent issues.

Well, Mr. Drake, you possibly

Well, Mr. Drake, you possibly reside in some blessed Diocese with enough priests for more than one to be in each of a dwindling number of churches. Let me caution you that such is not the case all over America, not the case in all those Dioceses where Parishes are being involuntarily merged.

Says the Church, the Church has no authority. Jesus said no such thing. Jesus had no female Apostles (unless it's just Greek and Roman society that couldn't accept Mary Magdelene as one) when writing down the oral history). But Jesus entire 'stealth' approach to ministry would have been frustrated by notoriety had he appointed a female Apostle in the then misogynist Israeli society,. To the intellectual mind the core reason underlying the thought the Church has no authority to appoint a female priest is that Jesus did not do so. Cessat ratione, cessat ipsa lex -- maybe the female priesthood should be a national church option so that darkest South could remain male, while less prejudiced North could have male and female.

It may just be that the very long history of a male-only priesthood in the misogynist societies of Greece, Rome, pagan and then mediaeval Europe has caused a hierarchy that simply cannot conceive of such a thing and so has the whole idea submerged in a mass of assumptions never questioned, parked next to the concept that dawn arises in the East, and the questioning of which simply does not come to mind. One could easily think the Church never has had a woman priest because no once ever considered it necessary to think about it until hundreds, thousands of years had passed. Now the issue may remain submerged because of the increase of vocations in many places that seems as such good news to those who have not compared the number entering at the more youthful bottom with the much larger number exiting at the elder top.

Ergo, no authority is the view. Now the Church's authority comes from the Triune God, but what authority God has given to the Church must needs be discerned by men, as we do not have a telephone line to Heaven.

I have no doubt at all, but that a some future time the Church will discern that it does have the authority to ordain women and thus join the second half of the 20th Century, even though doing so in the 21st or 22nd Century.

By then good Christians may have to go to another mainline Church to find a priest in the Apostolic Succession on Sunday in most communities, more often that a circuit-riding Catholic clergyman coming by once every two or three years. Some of the theology of the Sacrament of Eucharist will be lost on ordinary people who just want to go to church and have Communion. Perhaps when the priest-parishioner ratio in Europe and North America resembles that of South America, the final erosion of membership will already have nearly run its course. It would be very sad if only then it would be acknowledged as a sigh of the times that the Church's view it has "no authority" was and is a self-inflicted wound. Hopefully this will occur to the Church sometime before the Holy Father can't find a priest to appoint as Bishop on some continent, or worse yet, the last priest is appointed as the last Pope serving a Church with a total membership of 2,000 residents of Vatican City, viewed as some sort of joke by the rest of the world that has moved on to honor Jesus in another fashion.

P.S. I am a man, so this is not sour grapes. I do know too many very fine and intelligent women who have left the Church, perceiving fatal prejudice governs the Church, that this is one very important area in which the Church cannot perceive the implications that Jesus was always acting in his own temporal context.

The church says it has no

The church says it has no authority to ordain women, but it fibs. Jesus did not come to establish a priesthood, the church created the priesthood and it can change it. When celibacy was enforced as a job requirement for the priesthood in the twelfth century, the wives and children of priests were sold into slavery by the bishops to get rid of them. No respect for the family there. I am still waiting for the papal apology to the married priests for this violence against their families.

Luckily Jesus had and has

Luckily Jesus had and has authority to call women into ministry, without whom there would be no Catholic religion on the face of this earth. Thank you Jesus! Thank you to all the women who brought you into live, walked with you through out your public ministry, prepared your food, washed your robes and washed your feet. You dedicated Scripture to deeds of one woman who anointed you with oil. Thank you to the women who stayed with Jesus at the foot of the cross, who went to the tomb, who were there at Pentecost, preached the gospels after the resurrection, witness the ascension, and gave us the Gospel stories because you bravely told your stories one by one of your encounters without our Lord. Without you, we would not have our Gospel. Thank you. Thank you to all the mothers who taught their children about Jesus for the past two thousand years, without you we would not have a Church to quarrel over whether there are priests or not priests. Your crowns await you in heaven because Jesus will remind the universe about how you women feed others, visited the sick, comforted the lonely, clothed the naked, and suffered the persecutions for the kingdom of heaven like all prophets who went before you. What a glorious day in Heaven with when what is hidden will be revealed, the calling into ministry Jesus has been doing to women for 2,000 years.

Godfrey Diekmann said that

Godfrey Diekmann said that those responsible for keeping Eucharist the faithful will someday have to answer for it.

I find it perennially

I find it perennially anguishing to hear of the priest shortage when my international vocation search was forever curtailed, finally by Maryknoll's Director of Vocations on Saint Patrick (Patron of Missions)'s Day 1986.

Heck, back then they were THROWING good vocations away, like lobster off a boat, often for purely political reasons.

Guess I sounded like I had taken seriously our preferential option for the poor.
Dudes, that's why a guy GOES to Maryknoll .. .

Because protestants and

Because protestants and anglicans who 'ordain' women have a huge surge in clergy and masses of people coming to church right?

WRONG. Their churches are withering away.

Evidently that is not the solution.

Priests not needed. Any

Priests not needed. Any Christian can celebrate the eucharist with the gathered community. The Death of the Church is immanent due to the paralysis of the pope and the curia to handle this priest shortage problem. No priests, no eucharist; no eucharist, no church. There is another answer: necessity. We will have to return to the time before there were priests and bishops when there were house churches -- then, the host of the congregation celebrated the memorial. The Eucharist is a community event and celebration. It can be celebrated without ordained ministers as the Dutch Dominicans have suggested and more recently the Belgian priests. Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there with them.

I didn't realize that half

I didn't realize that half the population wanted to be priests.

Fuzzy Math: "....blocking

Fuzzy Math: "....blocking half the population"!!

I think the percentage is much smaller. The only acceptable candidates are (1) adult (2) male (3) unmarried (4) heterosexual. This grouping seems to be no more than 15% to 20% of the population.

Kevin

The Vatican will choose not

The Vatican will choose not to address or solve this problem. Case closed.

John Mack, Rome can pretend

John Mack, Rome can pretend "cases are closed", but they don't stay closed as far as the rest of the Church is concerned. Such "closings" are a luxury this pope can no longer afford.

Benedict must be dismissed. The laity, along with the lower clergy, should be moving out of communion with Rome. Out from under Benedict's omophorion to establish a new and independent Catholic Church of married clergy and women admitted to the priesthood. Life will continue with a complete sacramental system as it did under the repudiated papacy.

This man was fired for saying

This man was fired for saying things like this:

"It is the present day mission of the Church that defines the priesthood (i.e., celibate or married, not yesterday's priesthood that defines the mission of the Church." Bishop Jacques Gaillot of Evreux, France.

The Lowerarchy (nothing hier about most of them) will have much to answer for on the day of judgement. There will indeed be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, for many had the opportunity but few had the guts.

There is NO shortage of priests; just shortage of imagination.

Is it not possible that the

Is it not possible that the Holy Spirit is providing the exact number of priests that are needed?

The same thought has occurred

The same thought has occurred to me for years. Even if (for the sake of argument) you really believe that the Church has "no authority" to ordain women, what about married men?

How about this> The Holy

How about this>
The Holy Spirit is calling the exact number of priests needed, but the Church is not listening to Her.

Yes!

Yes!

The Catholic Church DOES

The Catholic Church DOES ordain married men. 16,921 Permanent Deacons in the U.S. 36,539 worldwide. The church must decide that ALL ordained men are capable of concecration long before women will be ordained. And before you wrinkle up your face, I AM in favor of ordained Catholic women.

Along with Concecration is

Along with Concecration is Absolution.

No. This interview speaks of

No.

This interview speaks of Catholics who are unable to receive the Sacrament of Penance for years. Others do not even have the option of a weekly Mass.

providing, but the men with

providing, but the men with the collars keeps rejecting us

Perhaps the Holy Spirit is

Perhaps the Holy Spirit is calling bthe exact number of priests needed to strip the church of its geopolitical ambitions and force it to reyurn to simplicity and spirituality.

God has a strange way of

God has a strange way of showing it, then. I had the unexpected opportunity this summer to converse with a recently retired bishop who had served in Africa for decades. His main concern was the lack of priests there and how the Eucharist and sacraments would be administered to thousands of faithful without enough priests. He said that the Church would have to fundamentally change or face the loss of many baptized Catholics to other churches (evangelical and pentecostal) who CAN and DO show up in greater numbers. The seeds that have been planted by the Church are germinating in thin, unworked soil, and they will be transplanted to richer, better cultivated fields by workers from other churches.

And yet at each of the three parishes I have been part of in the last dozen years, we have had a priest from a third world country. Go figure.

"What a shame," Carraro says,

"What a shame," Carraro says, "to see our best Catholic men, whom we didn't allow in leadership because they're married, come back as Protestant reverends formed with a strong missionary spirit."

Fr. Carraro's statement is contradictory. If those whom he mentions are really "our best Catholic men" then what are they doing joining Pentecostal and Evangelical sects which differ so heavily from Roman Catholicism? If they were leaving to join the Anglican Communion, which is a sacramental church, that would be one thing, but I don't see how its possible for someone to be one of "our best Catholic men" yet go and join something as stripped down as the Pentecostals.

Just one reminder, SJ: the

Just one reminder, SJ: the apostles were married. During the early centuries of the Church, priests were married or celibate, (no requirement). Even some Popes were married then.
The non-Roman rites of the Catholic Church, have married priests, as they always had (and they do recognize the Pope and viceversa).
The Catholic church accepts married Anglican priests who convert to Catholcism, and they continue their lives as married men, many have children.
So, SJ, your arguments don't hold water...
The Holy Spirit is as open minded now as HE/SHE ever was.

Your naivete is appalling.

Your naivete is appalling. These men go to churches that are welcoming, non-bureaucratic and which foster rather than hinder their ministry.

Catholicism without ministers if not much more than "stripped down." No eucharist?

Wake up and smell the burning rubber as people leave by the droves.

I did just recently and it was one of the most liberating experiences of my life!! God is alive and well and She isn't just Catholic.

I had the same thought. Maybe

I had the same thought. Maybe they were going to leave since all they wanted was to become "pastors" and be important within their communities. The desire for respect and power inside the community is a big allure to the priesthood.

You hit the nail on the head,

You hit the nail on the head, except that I would not concede the Anglican Communion for "our best Catholic men".

It is not so difficult for a

It is not so difficult for a good Catholic to lose the Faith.

The Vatican should at least

The Vatican should at least now consider ordaining married men. It is
positively shameful that the powers that be (THE VATICAN)REFUSES TO BEND
and adapt to the 21st Century. The Apostles were married at least most.
This law was and is a man made law. I truly wish they would all go on a
7 day retreat only drinking water and eating bread. Ask the holy Spirit
what is best for this Universe at This Time in History.
Such a beautiful dream!!! God Help The Pope and The Vatican!God Bless John L. Allen.
Barbara Ann MacMahon-Firestone.

Could the Pope not allow

Could the Pope not allow married men to be ordained in their own parishes.
The Apostles were ordained Priests.
Please could the Vatican join the 21st Century.
Do we need to burden our priests with soo much work?
Are we Christian in our behaviour?
The Church has the authority to do so.
SIMPLY - JUST DO IT.
aLL THE VERY BEST TO JOHN L ALLEN JR. May God keep him informing us for many many decades to come.
Merry Chistmas John to you and your wonderful family.

God Bless,
Barbara Ann MacMahon-Firestone

From what I understand is

From what I understand is that celibacy is a discipline and not a doctrine. So yes the Pope could allow priests to marry.
When the married Anglican priests converted to Catholicism they stayed married. If the wife dies, they are not allowed to remarry.
Maybe celibacy could be an optional vow, and make chastity the mandatory vow,

Barbara wrote:"The Apostles

Barbara wrote:"The Apostles were ordained Priests."
I disagree. Jesus did not ordain them, but he asked them to follow him. Who else should had ordained them?

Dear Barbara, Why do we need

Dear Barbara,

Why do we need the pope's permission? If we had bishops with backbones, they would decide in their national conference to ordain married men and inform Rome of their decision. We have allowed the papacy to accumulate too much control, and the church is suffering for it.

Thanks, John, for your

Thanks, John, for your comments on Sr. Catherine. How lovely to see and feel your respect and love for this woman of the church. And how unfamiliar to see a woman's name mentioned when it comes to losing great souls in the church. I am so used to the highlighting of bishops, cardinals and male theologians, that to see Sr. Catherine mentioned sort of turned me upside down. I, too, know many women religious with similar zeal and gospel passion! Just sorry I didn't know Sr. Catherine. Thanks again. And yes, good to know we have such an advocate in the communion of saints!

By heading south of the

By heading south of the Equator, I suspect the Vatican was more after bodies -- so that the ranks of Catholics would swell. But so what -- if priests can't serve these numbers and because of the stupid unmarried-only male-clergy rule, we are losing thousands of talented people.

to head south of the border

to head south of the border we must read very carefully and take to heart the CELAM conferences at Puebla and Medellin, for starters. The newly pontiffed wojtyla went to Puebla and refused to hear the just aspirations of the poor and our preferential option, but instead made it all about himself and the cult of his glorious personality, and now we are a generation too late, starting to notice the turn in the tide and running like mad, whereas a serious (not stage) pope thirty years ago would have prepared as our theologians then joyously announced, in continuity with Vatican II, not against.

"In the Catholic church of

"In the Catholic church of the future, it's likely there will be rising pressure from the global south to reconsider the global distribution of priests, as well as mandatory celibacy -- not for theological or ideological reasons, and not as the leading edge of a wider campaign of reform, but out of eminently practical and pastoral concerns."

In the Vatican there is scant concern with practical or pastoral concerns. Instead, the primary objective is to restore the RCC to its imagined pre-Vatican II status. The loss of millions of Catholics to other faiths due to the scarcity of clergy and the denial of the sacraments is not on their radar.

You know the people who work

You know the people who work there personally?

As a matter of fact, no.

As a matter of fact, no. Then again, I didn't know George W. Bush or Dick Cheney personally either, but I still figured out what their goals were.

Barbara: The Church is

Barbara:
The Church is already ordaining donkeys.....so there should be no problem ordaining married men, they're already trained to obey unquestioningly!

I fail to see how such a

I fail to see how such a snide comment advances this discussion. It's hard to take the conversation seriously when such attacks--both on priests and married men--are made in the same sentence. The Church ordains men who are prepared however imperfectly to offer the entire lives in service to God and to us. And if a marriage is sacramental--which I would hope for a candidate for a potentially open priesthood-- the proving point is not unquestioning obedience but a life of sacrificial service lived out in God's will with GOd and not onesself at the center of life. The matter deserves serious consideration and discussion, not comments like this.

Amen! 1) When math or French

Amen!

1) When math or French or literature teachers have to repeatedly present the same material hour after hours in class, I have little sympathy for my pastor having to say three Masses one day a week.

Is that all that you think a

Is that all that you think a parish priest does? Just 'say' three Masses per week? Ever heard of pastoral ministry? Besides ministering to individual souls, any parish I have ever seen has something going on morning, evening, and night, seven days a week, and the pastor is usually involved in everything.That is part of what a life of service is about.

there something very off when

there something very off when celebrating three sunday masses is deemed extraordinary and exhausting . yet somehow without a union priests have come to the conclusion that three masses a weekend is one too many . our pastor is in his early seventies and manages to do this quite often . it is good for parishioners to actually see their pastor at mass.

it seems clear that the ordination of married men has already been decided on favorably . rome moves slowly . but listen carefully to what cardinals and vatican bishops say and one notes that they do not rule it out. they are preparing us for it . mainly it is the priests who will have the adjustment problem . notice the way wuerl spoke about those protestant married clergy who will become catholic priests . he appealed to current catholic priests to see in these men real help in carrying the burdens of ministry with few colleagues , an appeal to self interest .

the outline is clear . married men will receive orders . they will not be made pastors in roman catholic parishes but work much as deacons do now. those interested in full time ministry will be channeled to the military ordinariate in which living wages are paid .

some investigative reporting about financial arrangements with foreign dioceses to bring secular priests to the u s would make an interesting read .

I refuse to pray for

I refuse to pray for vocations because God has already answered our prayers by calling married men and women to Priesthood. The church just refuses to acknowledge this. Who are they to say who God is calling. As for men leaving the Catholic religion to be ministers in other religions, God is there too....same God as the "Catholic" God. Just another pathway.

The idea that foreign priests

The idea that foreign priests are her to "revive the faith" in the Western Church is rather questionable. While undoubtedly helping relieve the burden of dioceses with priest shortages, I suspect their main contribution is mostly is being sacramental ministers rather than innovators or even leaders since most of them are not canonical pastors. The language and cultural challenges sometimes hinders their leadership abilities and forces them to focus their ministry primarily on providing extra help with masses and confessions. The seductive affluent Western style of life can also be a deterrent to authentic inculturation and creative leadership in reviving the faith. For the most part,I suspect their theology and spirituality are more in tune with conservative and traditional Catholicism that does not encourage or support any thinking outside the box, but rather shores up the clerical system already in place..

I personally have felt very

I personally have felt very much enriched in faith and in culture by two priests from India. I hope they have been enriched by their ministry among Americans. Although their time in this country took them away from parishioners in their own dioceses for a period of time, I hope they will always hold on to the deep conviction that there are Americans whose love and prayers remain with them and with the people they minister to in Kerala and Hyderabad. John, I very much appreciate your research.

You neglected to mention that

You neglected to mention that in the past few years there has been a global upturn in the number of men in seminaries. In the USA, there has ben a 20 percent increase of seminarians since 2004. The new seminary in Washington DC is filled to capacity as is Mt. St. Mary's in MD. The Dominican province of St. Joseph has many new vocations; in fact, the last time they saw the numbers they are seeing today was in 1966.

"What a shame," Carraro says,

"What a shame," Carraro says, "to see our best Catholic men, whom we didn't allow in leadership because they're married, come back as Protestant reverends formed with a strong missionary spirit."

Uhm, perhaps his best Catholic men were a bit confused about basic ecclesiological realities, sacramental theology etc.?

Nichols telling the fascist

Nichols telling the fascist well-endowed Opus to practice Liberation Theology and recognize diversity; gotto love it!

"Give up on respect for diversity, and we become either dominators or dominated."

Third, "the work of caritas, or practical care for the poor and those in need." The Christian contribution, Nichols said, is a reminder that poverty can never be reduced to a technical or policy problem -- "there is always a profoundly human dimension to poverty" that must elicit "human love, accompaniment and solidarity."

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