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Why they stay(ed)
Women religious and the apostolic visitation
Aug. 17, 2009
Essay
Two sets of questions concerning U.S. women religious are roiling the waters in and outside the church today: 1) Why are religious disturbed about the apostolic visitation? 2) What is the real motivation for this investigation?
Why are religious disturbed about the visitation?
Some laity, and even some (mostly more conservative) religious, wonder why religious would be upset at the invitation of Vatican officials to a discussion of their life with a view to encouraging and supporting the quality of religious life today. After all, no life is perfect and sometimes helpful outsiders can see things insiders miss.
Many religious (members and leaders) as well as Catholic laity and some priests and bishops are disturbed by the Apostolic Visitation currently being conducted for two reasons: the fact of the investigation; the mode of the investigation.
The fact: Religious congregations (sometimes called "orders" or "communities") are in regular dialogue with church authority. The officers of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, or the LCWR, which represents, through their leaders, about 95 percent of religious in the U.S. meet, by their own initiative, annually in Rome with the officers of yhe Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, the Vatican bureau concerned with religious life, for the purpose of such dialogue and they make strenuous (often unreciprocated) efforts to create open communication (see documentation on the LCWR web site). Heads of orders are in regular contact with local ordinaries and most orders invite the local bishop to visit on various occasions. They must, and do, consult with the bishop and/or pastor when there are concerns about the ministry of religious in a diocese or parish.
Furthermore, religious life, including the behavior of its members, is no longer hidden in cloistered dwellings but is reasonably open to the view of both laity and clergy. Some people, lay or cleric, might prefer religious to wear atemporal uniforms of homespun and sensible oxfords rather than simple contemporary professional clothes, or to live in special dwellings and teach in a parish school rather than living, perhaps individually or intercongregationally (as some religious have since the first century) or at a distance from their headquarters (as missionaries always have), in relation to their now diverse and widespread ministries. But there is nothing intrinsic to religious life about a particular type of clothing or dwelling or ministry. Clothing of religious, according to the directives of Vatican II, is to be simple, modest, hygienic, and appropriate to the times; housing is to be appropriate to the form of community life and poverty specified in an order's approved documents (called "constitutions"); ministries are to be undertaken in obedience as obedience is understood in those same documents. These norms are applied differently by different orders and this has always been the case, often enough even among houses of a single order. Jesus and his itinerant band of ministerial disciples wore no special clothes and had no fixed abode. He brought down the murderous ire of the hierarchy of his own religious tradition because, among other things, he related to women as equals and involved them along with men in his ministry, reached out to the "disordered" and marginalized in his society, laid healing hands on the suffering, conversed with and allowed himself to be challenged and changed by people outside his own religious tradition, refused to condemn anyone, however "sinful," except religious hypocrites burdening people with obligations beyond their strength.
The current "Apostolic Visitation" is not a normal dialogue between religious and church authorities. It is the ecclesiastical analogue of a grand jury indictment, set in motion when there is reasonable suspicion, probable cause, or a prima facie case of serious abuse or wrong-doing of some kind. There are currently several situations in the U.S. church that would justify such an investigation (widespread child sexual abuse by clerics, episcopal cover-ups of such abuse, long term sexual liaisons by people vowed to celibacy, embezzlement of church funds, cult-like practices in some church groups) but women religious are not significantly implicated in any of these. Religious are disturbed by the implied accusation of wrong-doing that the very fact of being subjected to an apostolic visitation involves, especially because the "charges" are vague or non-existent. We will return to this point in regard to the second question about motivation.
The mode: The characteristics of a grand jury indictment process (which have led most modern western countries to abolish the grand jury as a judicial instrument) are that the grand jury can compel witnesses to testify under oath; proceedings are secret; defendants and/or their counsel may not hear the witness against them.
A number of features of the current investigation of religious are problematic or repugnant to intelligent, educated, adult women in western society. For example, even though the visitation had been authorized well before the annual meeting of the LCWR officials with the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life in Rome in late 2008, the forthcoming visitation was not even hinted at during that meeting. The religious leaders discovered that their orders and members were under investigation by reading about it in the secular press. Many religious experienced this, rightly or wrongly, as an expression of contempt for them and especially for their leaders. And Americans could hardly not see this tactic as a kind of "sting" operation in which enforcement personal raid suspects who are already deemed guilty, using the element of surprise to prevent escape, hiding of evidence, or defense. Religious are not trying to escape since they are all in religious life by their own choice. The evidence of the quality of their lives is the hospice patients they comfort, the students they teach, the directees and retreatants they counsel, the poor they feed, the sick they nurse, their peace work and justice advocacy, the research and art they produce. They do not feel that their carrying out of Vatican Council II's directives in the renewal of their lives and their resulting presence to and ministry in the world for which Jesus died needs defense.
In other words, whatever the Vatican may have intended, the initiation of this "visitation" was calculated to appear to many Americans, Catholic and others, inside and outside religious life, not as an invitation to respectful and fruitful dialogue and ongoing improvement of their lives but as an unwarranted surprise attack. One religious speaking to me referred to it as "the Pearl Harbor model of dialogue."
Apostolic visitations, precisely because they imply suspicion if not guilt, are typically undertaken in regard to specific groups, e.g., a religious order, province, or monastery, a diocese, a particular pious society, or particular practices or behaviors, e.g., suspect cults or fraudulent claims of apparitions or private revelations, etc. This investigation, however, targeted indiscriminately all 60,000 or more U.S. women religious in some 400 orders. It would be equivalent to setting out to investigate all sacramentally married people in the United States, or all the priests and bishops of every diocese in the country. Undoubtedly some abuses could be found in any such global group, as they probably can be among religious. But the implication that whatever abuse is being investigated is so widespread and deep-rooted among religious that all of them must be investigated is deeply disturbing if not insulting. These women, who have no obligation to be or remain religious, have given 30, 40, 50, 60, even 70 years of their lives in largely unremunerated service to the church and its members. What could possibly justify such universal suspicion?
Religious then learned that a single "visitator" had been appointed, without any consultation, for the entire population. Her competence might indeed be astounding. But she was an unknown among U.S. women religious who include in their number a virtual "hall of fame" of outstanding, highly credible women who might have been tapped for this sensitive role. The visitator is unknown because she has spent a good part of her mature religious life outside this country and belongs to a small order with one small province in the United States. But could any one person, however talented and experienced, no matter what group she belonged to, questioning subjects without the presence of any witnesses and rendering secret reports which the subjects may not verify even for accuracy much less "tone" or "inference," possibly carry out a task of such scale and scope? Nevertheless, leaders of religious orders made good faith efforts to cooperate with a process that is hardly comprehensible to people not living in a totalitarian political system.
They then found out that phase three of the investigation would involve "site visitations" (of congregations chosen by the single investigator) by teams composed by the single investigator from a pool of nominees who must swear a loyalty oath, not to the people being investigated whose reputations and ministries are at stake, but to the investigating authority (the Holy See). Superiors were invited to submit names of candidates for these teams. Understandably, many religious -- congregations as a whole, superiors, and individual religious -- declined the invitation to make any kind of loyalty oath to any human being (they have all made lifelong vows to God which they consider quite adequate) or to investigate their fellow religious and write secret reports about them. The solidarity among women religious, both within their own orders and among orders, is too deep for many to even contemplate participation in such a process. But that leaves open the unsettling possibility or even likelihood that those who are willing to become site visitators will have views of religious life, authority, and justice quite different from those they investigate.
Furthermore, the orders selected for site visitations have been asked to pay the transportation and other expenses of those sent to investigate them! Each successive element of the visitation has elicited more gasps of shock and disbelief from American women used to a legal system that, despite its grave flaws, espouses transparency, protects the rights of the accused, and is based on an assumption of innocence.
Most recently the Instrumentum Laboris or working document for the second phase has appeared. All heads of orders will be required to answer in writing a long, detailed questionnaire which will surely consume a great deal of valuable time that congregational leaders should be devoting to their very heavy primary responsibilities: spiritual leadership of their congregations, fostering community, supporting ministry, caring for their members both active and infirm, and trying to handle the enormous financial challenges facing most orders today. Furthermore, every individual religious is being asked to reflect on this same list of questions. Most (probably all) congregations frequently spend quality time, individually and corporately, in reflection and examination of their life, on planning and implementation of processes for the improvement of the quality of their lives and ministries, and on decision-making for their immediate and long-range futures. Being asked to address a list of "one-size-fits-all" questions is not only a questionable consumption of valuable personal, community, and ministerial time and energy but implies that religious have been living in a state of superficial distraction or self-delusion from which they need to be awakened by mandated self-examination. Most women religious will tell anyone who asks that they spend a great deal of time and energy in serious reflection on their personal spiritual life (in daily prayer, annual and more frequent retreats, spiritual direction, personal discernment of life and ministry with their community and its leadership, ongoing education) and their corporate life in community and ministry (in congregational days, assemblies, chapters, small group meetings, council meetings, community discernment processes, and so on). These inquiries run much deeper than the mechanical questions on the Instrumentum.
At the end of all this investigation, including the site visitations of phase three, the single investigator will (apparently without the help of anyone) synthesize all this material and write a comprehensive secret report on the whole of ministerial religious life in this country to the Vatican. Women religious are professionals who are very familiar with assessments and evaluations of their institutions such as schools, hospitals, and social service agencies and certification processes for personnel including themselves. Such professionals could not imagine appointing, for example, a single chemistry professor from a foreign university to evaluate single-handedly all the universities in the United States (programs, professors, administration, finances, libraries and laboratories, admissions processes, graduation and placement statistics, extracurricular activities, student life, etc.), judge them all, and make a secret report to the Department of Education on their "quality." Religious orders are extremely diverse in foundation, history, charism, purposes, personnel, government, traditions, problems, financial resources, ministries, community life, spirit, and so on. Even if the report gets things basically right about one order, how applicable would that to the others? To many, this investigation appears, at the very least, astonishing, if not downright mind-boggling in the unprofessionalism of its process.
In short, not only does the fact of the investigation feel threatening if not sinister but its mode is upsetting to adult professional women religious.
What is the motivation of the visitation?
The motivation for the visitation remains very vague. Perhaps the most commonly voiced hypothesis of both lay and religious, is that the purpose of the investigation is to ascertain the size and status of the financial assets of religious orders of women in order to enable the U.S. bishops to take possession of those assets to pay their legal debts. Even if there is no validity to this hypothesis (and I dearly hope there is not) it is distressing that Catholics' confidence in their hierarchy has been so eroded that they suspect their bishops of wishing to further impoverish religious orders struggling to support their elderly and infirm members. Another frequently voiced hypothesis, with perhaps more credibility, is that Cardinal Franc Rodé, the head of Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, wants to mandate for all women religious a return to pre-conciliar lifestyles akin to those in his eastern European homeland under Communism. Again, the suspicion is not without some basis in remarks the cardinal has made publicly, but there is no proof of such an intention and, in any case, such a move would surely occasion far more trouble than the Vatican probably wants to deal with.
The only "purpose" stated in the official documents is "to look into the quality of the life of women religious in the United States who are members of apostolic religious institutes." At several junctures Cardinal Rodé, who initiated the investigation, has suggested that his concern is about the "decline in numbers" of religious in these orders. There seems to be an implied "cause and effect" relation between these two concerns, namely, that the decline in numbers is somehow due to the poor quality of the life of religious. It is time to address this implication with some facts.
It is true that the numbers of U.S. women religious declined precipitously, by tens of thousands, from the highpoint (at least 120,000) in the mid-sixties to something around 60,000 today. This was due principally to two factors, not identical, namely, the sharp drop-off in numbers entering religious life and a major exodus of professed religious from the life. These phenomena were largely simultaneous which leads many people to fail to distinguish between them.
Numbers entering: The inflation of numbers of religious from the late 1940s to 1960s paralleled the influx of large numbers of men following Thomas Merton into monasteries in the disordered social aftermath of World War II. This brief period of heightened religious enthusiasm has been studied extensively and I will not engage this data here. Suffice it to say that, prior to the vocational tsunami beginning in the 1940s and peaking in the mid-1960s, the total number of women religious, between the 1700s when the first ones came to this country and the early1900s, was nowhere near the post-war high point. Indeed, it was closer to today's "low point." To understand the sudden decline in entrants after 1965 one has to understand the sudden inflation immediately after the war. I will mention here only the most important factors.
Pre-Humanae Vitae Catholic families tended to be large, often five to ten children. The U.S. bishops insisted that parents were morally obliged to send those children to Catholic schools which were almost totally staffed by the unpaid workforce of women religious. Thus the average Catholic girl spent most of her waking hours for eight to twelve years in the company of "the nuns," becoming familiar with their life, admiring them as "special" people, as the favorites of God and male authority figures in the church, as uniquely powerful women who were more educated and professionally engaged than most other women they knew. The nuns wore fascinating and exotic clothes, lived in mysterious enclaves whose interiors "seculars" could only imagine, and seemed to enjoy a special esprit de corps among themselves in their secret world.
At that point in time the Catholic girl had two viable life options when she completed high school (or more rarely college): to marry like her mother and begin her own life of child rearing or enter the convent. While by far the majority chose marriage (probably as naïvely as the minority chose religious life!), the numbers from every graduating class entering the convent was impressive. And parents, trained to regard a "vocation" in the family as an honor and blessing, could afford to offer one or more children to God without fear of dying without grandchildren. Novitiate classes could number 30 in a small congregation to a hundred or more in a large one. And Catholic culture made leaving the convent after profession as unthinkable as divorce.
Post-Humanae Vitae (ironically, this document reiterating the ban on "artificial contraception" seemed to precipitate, or at least not prevent, a sharp decrease in the Catholic fertility rate) Catholic families are as small as those of most other Americans, i.e., one or two children. The number of Catholic schools rapidly declined. Even those that existed usually had few or no sisters in the classroom. Parents claimed their right to send their children to the schools of their choice, often choosing a better endowed or geographically closer public school over a Catholic one. Feminism and other forces combined to open opportunities to girls well beyond the "marriage or convent" choice. There was no profession or ministry open to a woman religious that was not equally open to a laywoman. Parents who wanted grandchildren were less inclined to promote their (often only) daughter's choice of the convent. Church officials were rapidly closing the "feeder" institutions (Catholic schools) and religious orders were losing their high schools to economic and personnel pressures.
The bad news in all this, of course, was that by the mid-sixties very few Catholic girls considered religious life and even fewer entered. The good news is that the only real reason, now, for a young woman to enter was that she really felt called by God to a life of consecrated celibacy lived with others who shared this vocation and expressed in a total commitment to the service of God's people. Not having a husband or children, not becoming personally wealthy, perhaps not being able to pursue exactly her professional interests were no longer seen as just "part of the package" of an otherwise "special" and therefore rewarding vocation but as difficult, free choices of a highly demanding life which could find justification only in a genuine religious vocation. Women took considerably longer to come to such decisions. The huge novitiate classes of 18-year olds disappeared and women entering tended to be in their late 20s or 30s or even older and applying, not as "classes" or "bands," but as individuals. This had little to do with the quality of religious life. It had everything to do with there being far fewer Catholic children to begin with. They were not exposed to religious life (or, often, even to normal Catholic culture within which a religious vocation might seem normal or attractive); opportunities for women had broadened enormously; parents tended not to encourage vocations; women were putting off life-commitment decisions for a decade or more beyond high school.
Religious leaving: Beginning in the late 1960s through the 1980s there was a massive exodus of women from religious life. There were certainly some who left in bitterness and anger at what they considered an alienating and oppressive life of uniformity and repression in which they had somehow become trapped. But the vast majority, many of whom continue to this day to maintain warm relationships with their former orders and convent classmates, left because they came to realize that they were not called to religious life. Many realized that they were called to marriage and that celibacy was not required for holiness or for engagement in ministry which was, for many, the main reason they had entered. Others wanted careers, financial independence, or personal autonomy incompatible with religious poverty, obedience, and community. The new theology of vocation and moral freedom and responsibility encouraged by the Council made the once "unthinkable" (i.e., change of state of life) thinkable. The stigma attached to "leaving the convent" largely vanished making the change culturally acceptable. These women, part of the great influx of the 1950s and '60s, were now in their 20's, 30's, or 40's, generally well-educated and professionally prepared for a world and church that now had much more room for lay women in many areas. Many of the thousands of women who left religious life within a couple decades of entering remain to this day profoundly grateful for the psychological, spiritual, and professional formation they received in religious life. They are not sorry they entered and do not consider their convent experience a "mistake" or those years "wasted." But they are also glad that they realized in time that they were not called to that life and that it was possible for them to peacefully follow God's will in leaving as they had followed that will, as they understood it, when they entered.
The combination of many departures and few entrants has created a "gap" between age 20 and age 50/90 in most orders. This creates problems for women entering today who have few peers and few religious right ahead of them. No one under-estimates the seriousness of this situation and efforts like "Giving Voice" (a cross-congregational association of younger religious) and intercongregational formation programs are trying to address it. But it is important to realize that neither the exodus from religious life nor the decline in numbers entering was due to a sudden deterioration in the quality of religious life. The change in demographics, in the sociology of the Catholic sub-culture, in theology of states of life and vocation, in roles of women in church and society, and many other factors we cannot delve into here created the situation with which we are contending today.
That situation, in my opinion and that of most religious I know, is indeed challenging but not desperate. Nor will it be rectified by a retroversion to pre-Conciliar convent lifestyles or disciplinary initiatives of Vatican authorities. The response, which is and will continue to be arduous, lies with those who have stayed.
Conclusion: The ones who stayed
A far more interesting question than who left and why is, "Why did the ones who stayed, stay?" These are the women who, today, compose the largest cohort in religious life, the 60-80 year olds. This is not only the largest but also the most vibrant group in religious life flanked at one end with a small number of wonderfully courageous new entrants in their late 20s to 40s and at the other end, by a still numerous group of women in their 90s and beyond who continue to witness with stunning beauty to the joy and fruitfulness of a life totally given to God and God's people. The members of this largest cohort are examples of "80 being the new 60." Generally in vigorous mental, psychological, and physical health, they have to take time off from full-time ministries to celebrate their 50th and 60th anniversaries in religious life. They are carrying the responsibilities of leadership in their orders and supporting with indomitable hope and courage the church-wide but beleaguered effort to keep the spirit and substance of Vatican II from succumbing to the tides of restorationism. These religious are not hankering for the "good old days," for a return to special clothes and titles, instant recognition and elite status in church and society, and someone to support them, think for them, and keep their life in order in a turbulent world. The real question is, who are these "stayers" and why did/do they stay?
These women are the contemporaries of those who left in the exodus of the '70s and '80s. Like those who left, they were young (20s to 40s), perhaps the best educated group of women in America at the time, professionally precocious, theologically well-grounded, and becoming increasingly interdependently autonomous as women in the church and world. These religious were eminently well-positioned to leave and had every reason (but one) to do so. They watched in anguish as increasing numbers of their friends made that choice. Religious life had little to offer them, humanly or materially speaking. Orders were losing their big institutions; financial insecurity was becoming a major concern; few were entering. The institutional church was repudiating feminism in all its forms; the papacy was engaged in vigorous restorationism; many in and outside the church including some in religious life had resigned themselves to (or rejoiced in) what they saw as "the death of the Council" or the "end of renewal." The exciting theologies of liberation and lay ministerial empowerment in the church were being repressed in favor of a renewed clericalism and centralization of power. From a strictly human standpoint it was a bleak time for those who had come of age in the joyous, Spirit-filled enthusiasm of the Council when community, equality of discipleship in the church, commitment to the building of a better world, deepening spirituality, inter-religious dialogue, feminist empowerment were the very air they breathed. From every angle hope was being crushed and old world narrowness, neo-orthodoxy, and Vatican re-centralization were replacing the Spirit-filled, world-affirming, humane spirit of John XXIII and the Council.
In this crucible the ones who stayed were tested by fire. Elsewhere I have referred to and described in more detail this period as a corporate "dark night of sense and spirit" for women religious. They were experiencing a deep purification of any sense of spiritual superiority (to say nothing of arrogant certainty), of elitism, of corporate power and influence, of "most favored status" or mysterious specialness in the church. Their faith was being battered by profound theological tensions raised by the clash between what they most deeply, if obscurely, knew was true and what was happening in the church and world. They had to find the taproot of their vocation, not in peer group euphoria, social status, or preferential treatment by the hierarchy, but in the core of their spirituality, face to face with the One to whom they had given their lives in celibate love, in the emptiness of a poverty that was spiritual as well as material, and in an obedience unto the death of everything they cherished, except the God in whom they believed. They found out experientially why Jesus withdrew to the mountains or the desert in the middle of the night and before dawn to pray, not to "set a good example" for the less spiritual but because he desperately needed God to make it through one more day.
As this cohort of women religious made its way through the 1990s toward the new millennium, and even as financial and ecclesiastical problems multiplied, a serenity began to surface from the darkness. Even secular sociologists, but especially the laity who associate with these religious and those they serve, have recognized that the joy and counter-intuitive confidence, the capacity for work and suffering, the whole-hearted commitment to their own spiritual lives and to the people to whom they minister, the unity and solidarity in community that is evident in most women's religious Congregations -- given the enormity of the challenges they confront -- must be rooted in something, Someone, much deeper and more central to their lives than anything temporal or material.
Some congregations have had to face their imminent demise and have begun to prepare, not to be passively wiped out by circumstances beyond their control, but, like Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, to die into Christ's resurrection leaving a legacy that will somehow rise in those they have loved and served. Many congregations have reconfigured their corporate lives by consolidation or merging or refounding and are launched into new adventures in a still strange land. Others, though diminished in size and resources, have decided that they can and will make it together into the future and have undertaken vigorous, faith-based strategic planning, including vocation work, to make that happen. But the important thing for our purposes here is that these women are still "staying" because, in the very core of their being, they do not just "belong to a religious order"; they are religious. Hopefully, the present investigation will make evident to those whose concerns gave rise to it the meaning of religious life as it is being envisioned, lived, and handed on today in Congregations renewed in and by that Pentecostal outpouring of the Spirit called the Second Vatican Council.
[Sandra M. Schneiders, a member of Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary of Monroe, Mich., is a professor of New Testament Studies and Christian Spirituality at the Jesuit School of Theology, Berkeley, Calif.]




Thank you, Sandra Schneiders,
Thank you, Sandra Schneiders, for speaking so eloquently about those of us still in religious communities. This visitation is an insult, but we wil survive.
Thank you, Sandra, for your
Thank you, Sandra, for your well-reasoned and expert comments in this article. I was so relieved to see you document the situations/persons who warrant investigation. I woke in the middle of the night thinking: did the Vatican ever "invesitage" the sexual abuse scandal and its handling by American bishops??? I guess they didn't...worried it was so "sensitively done" that I missed it!!
Barbara Glatthorn
Thank you Sandra for asking
Thank you Sandra for asking the right question - the question that speaks to the essence of Religious Life - a fascination with, captivation by God. This deep and precious commitment is hard to evaluate by questionairres or Instrumentum Laboris that look at externals. Your essay reminded me of the words of Christopher Fry in his Poem - A Sleep of Prisoners
Thank God our time is now when wrong
Comes up to face us everywhere,
Never to leave us till we take
The longest stride of soul we ever took.
Affairs are now soul size.
The enterprise
Is exploration into God.
Know that you and your Religious Sisters in the States have the prayers and support of other Religious around the world.
Pace.
Dear anon, I just finished
Dear anon,
I just finished reading “Why they stayed” for a second time. I am grateful, too, that Sr Sandra spoke so eloquently of the sisters who stayed.
I trust, both on an intellectual and emotional level, the second half of the article. It was a beautiful and informative discussion that makes me eager to read anything and everything I can find by Sr Sandra.
That said, I wish she had remained focused, as she did in that second half, on the material that speaks to her title.
The first half seemed an entirey different article. I would venture that, whereas the second half struck me as a history based on research and experience, the first half struck me as an op-ed piece. I had a difficult time intellectually with the legal analogy, though I certainly see its persuasive value in argument. I recognize that my knowledge of Church history, Visitations and the actual and applied meanings of what it means for an order of religious to have a “canonical” relationship with the Roman Catholich Church and the Vatican. Thus, it is possible that greater knowledge in those areas would render, for me, the legal analogy more applicable to this circumstance, but I am experiencing a fundamental (though elusive) cognitive dissonance that causes me to maintain my doubt on the appropriateness of that analogy. I simply believe, with all due respect to Sr/Dr Sandra that this is a false analogy. A powerful one but a false one.
My hit is that the first half of the article is unfortunate and will not be persuasive for those that Sr Sandra and others most likely seek to persuade: those actually involved in the Visitation process.
As I noted above, I am deeply grateful for the second half and Sr Sandra’s deep commitment to her life as a Religious and as a Scholar.
Jean
Here is a great article with
Here is a great article with a very different perspective as to why the dissidents have really stayed and continue to agitate for dialogue. No wonder the Vatican is investigating US women Religious communities and the LCWR.
http://sanctepater.blogspot.com/2009/08/post-christian-sisters.html
Pax et Bonum
Thanks for the other link. It
Thanks for the other link. It is interesting that these Sisters who don't wear the habit anymore, live the lifesytle they do as seen on this link, and have dwindling numbers every year, it is no wonder the Vatican is investigating. The sisters now a days are clearly living the pastoral Vatican II council where the Religious Life including the priesthood was looked at as a career instead of a vocation. For my career I wear a uniform for 8 hours aday as required for what I do, however I am married and I cannot just choose to live the married life for 8 hours a day. It is my life!!! Until the sisters realize the errors that Vatican II has caused they cannot/will not see the error of their ways. I believe the fact of the matter is they want to dress look and act like the general public so as to "fit in", but the reality is it turns more people away. Look at the attention/respect a soldier gets when wearing his uniform. He gets it because he demands it by wearing his uniform. If the Sisters want respect and the investigations to stop then they need to get back to the true beauty and ways of living like a sister of the church. The way it was prior to the 2nd Vatican council. For Sr. Sandra M. Schneiders and any other sisters to be worried about the Vatican investigations, only tells me they have guilt about their lifesyles the past appx 45 years. There is no reason to worry or have guilt or shame if you have always been living the lifestyle the church has taught for centuries.
Not to say that there are 2 Catholic Churches but the church of Vatican II and the New Mass is losing numbers every day, however the PreVatican II church and the Tridentine Mass and Religious Orders are growing rapidly. To me this says alot about the Tradition of the Church, how it onced functioned and where the fruits of the Holy Ghost really exists. I know there is a Gospel verse that summs up this entire investigation but I forget which one it is. I think it goes something like this "By their Fruits you shall know them" Need I say more. Thanks your link was helpful. God Bless David
The degree to which the
The degree to which the Church is unwilling to change and recognize women as equals and ordain them as priests is the degree to which it is an obstacle to itself. It is this second class citizenship in the church young women in America find unattractive which directly effects diminishing vocations to religious congregations.
Unwilling to hear the call of the people of God the Church becomes eccentric and out of touch. In a state of progressive ossification, metanoia in Christ becomes less likely. Sadly, and by analogy, its veins get harder. Its life blood, grace and compassion, do not flow while
each successive century sees it lose its former power and stature vis a vis an increasingly enlightened laity.
One can only imagine the Church feels threatened and so it threatens others. It investigates anything but its own power structure. Trying to forget its true identity revealed in Vatican II it closes the cathedral windows breathing only recycled air from original ductwork. The resulting malaise is likened to "sick-house syndrome".
To thrive into the future and breathe fresh air once again the Church must hear all its people. It must INSTITUTIONALIZE FLEXABILITY, spread its wings and fly with the Holy Spirit and "be not afraid."
1. The Gospel (WORD OF GOD)
1. The Gospel (WORD OF GOD) takes precedence over "church and magisterium" (WORD OF MAN).
2. Career is not the same as vocation. A vocation is a call from God. A career is one's choice of making a living... but nice try!
Also, I find it amazing that those who criticize 'sisters' - wanting them to be 'nuns' are not or did not themselves consider becoming 'nuns' or sisters. Sisters and nuns have responded to their calling - the nuns to their cloistered life and sisters to their apostolic life. I don't hear these (often-criticized) sisters criticizing the non-consecrated laity's attire or the divorce rate among those who have not 'remained faithful' to a SACRAMENT of Matrimony. (Nuns and sisters do NOT receive a Sacrament - they make profession.)
WE ARE ALL CALLED TO LIVE HOLY LIVES, some in habits (nuns), some without (sisters), and some married - we shouldn't hold higher standards for the sisters and nuns, and expect only them to be more faithful to the Gospel than most of us who have received a Sacrament of Marriage! Perhaps the planks in our eyes have blinded us of this.
Instead of criticizing others' lives because they are not who or what you want them to be, reflect on your own life and ask why it angers you enough to publicly criticize, mock and bash them when no one - not even you - knows what's in their heart, for only God knows. And only God knows what's in your heart, surely it's not hatred. Do stop and listen before throwing the first stone - for within your heart there has to be some love - express it!
I am a married Catholic father of 5, and I always challenge my family that others should recognize us as Catholics - not because we will wear a crucifix or a rosary around our necks, but by how we live our lives. From afar anyone who sees us should recognize us as Catholics, not by what we wear, but by how we love!
"...and they will recognize you as my disciples by how you live and how you love one another...."
Thank you to Sr. Sandra
Thank you to Sr. Sandra Schneiders for a wonderful, intelligent and realistic summary of the investigation of women's orders, but even more so for the summary of what has caused the lessening numbers of religious women and what the reality is today of their dedication and love.
Does anyone know to whom one would address a letter that would reach the appropriate persons in the Vatican regarding this issue. I for one, and I know there are many others, would like to write and express my opinion directly to those in authority.
Let us all express our gratitude to the sisters in our lives!
I think that both the Vatican
I think that both the Vatican and the "Visitor" have pages on Facebook as well as regular web sites.
http://www.apostolicvisitation.org/en/index.html
http://www.vatican.va/
Dear Sanda, Thank you so much
Dear Sanda,
Thank you so much for your insightful remarks about today's religious (and about the impending visitation). I was one of those who left religious life in the early 70's. Your description of "what happened" is right on.
Having just completed Cardinal Weakland's memoir and your assessment of the visitation, I cannot but begin to feel the impending heaviness that is spreading throughout our church.
Polarization among all levels is the evil that will erode our small "c" catholicity. We will no longer have a univeral and embracing church, but a remnant wrapped in only one way to be
church.
Thank you. I regret that I may only once had the opportunity of meeting you. I just completed 2 years stint as chair of the GTU board. I am currently on the board and still
grappling with the future of the union.
Joan McGrath
What exactly is this "small
What exactly is this "small 'c' catholicity"?
Catholic Theologian, are you
Catholic Theologian, are you one of those who are trying to get the speck out of your Sisters' eyes, while you have a beam in your own eyes.
What's that supposed to mean?
What's that supposed to mean?
LittleBear - Are you one of
LittleBear - Are you one of these who is spoiling for a fight and sees a thrown fist whenever someone lifts a pinky? Please take a break from this ugliness. There is absolutely no way to determine from that question anything other than that the person wants to know what this term - catholicity - means. Asking to have term defined is to increase the possibility that understanding will increase. Your response is not helpful.
In all that exchange below,
In all that exchange below, no one anwered your question. Capital "C" Catholic refers to our specific Roman Catholic Church. Small "c" catholic refers to the general meaning of the word "catholic" which is universal. I hope that helps.
Thank you, Sandra. This is an
Thank you, Sandra. This is an excellent essay, and I especially appreciate your explanation and exposition of the history of religious life in the US from WW II to the present.
Bravo and to all of the dear
Bravo and to all of the dear religious women out there who will be subjected to these indignities of the spirit know that the one Spirit and the company of brave and spirited women who have gone before and who live other vocations in today's world are with you throughout this!
Dear Sr. Schneiders, Perhaps
Dear Sr. Schneiders, Perhaps you are overstating the visit as an indictment of wrongdoing and the investigators really do not understand the effect materialism has and which is pervasive in the United States! Many families which in the past sacrificed to send their children to Catholic schools no longer see the value in doing so. How many Catholic Churches and Catholic Schools have closed in the past 50 years in the United States?? The quest for a college degree has the dollar tied to it rather than the good it may do society! When one is exposed to anything other than the reason for Creation-LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL THINGS- of course Vocations will go down. I prefer to see this investigation as an act of ignorance rather than one of indictment! Please remember the millions of people who have benefited from the acts of goodness that you and your communities have performed and continue to perform in all of our lives! WE WILL NOT FORGET!
This is the most beautiful,
This is the most beautiful, meaningful, glorious thing I have read in ages. Now my faith is renewed. OK, it figures, I'm old. Old and almost totally wiped out in any feeling for the hierarchy of the Catholic church, the arrogant priests, mostly the young ones, and the stupid ridiculous rules presented to the laity.
I better quit before I go overboard like some of the men I have read here. I don't hate men; I was married, raised five boys, I'm happy with them. One of my boys spent two years in the seminary, quit, ended up going to Vietnam. He came home whole, loving God, a good and intelligent man.
Back to the women in the church. What terrific people. God bless them for their spirit, their minds, their compassion, their love. This article made me very angry, but filled with love that these women are part of my church.
The new technologies gave
The new technologies gave rise to a sense of clear and present danger of "1984". To a significant extent the concern was and continues to be valid. The unexpected consequence really did not emerge until an amature photographer or passer-by happened to video tape the vicious beating of Rodney King. If there was a "big brother" conspiracy it back-fired or at least was mitigated in favour of its victims. It is still happening.
I think I see something similar happening with the visitation and investigation of women religious in the US. Seriously dedicated and competant women religious like Sr.'s Schneiders and Mongovern (who likely would rather devote their talents elsewhere)and concerned knowledgable male writers are speaking the life and history, the strengths and weaknesses, of the incredible evolving woman religious.
Like these "videographers" they are, quietly and gently posing the reasonable questions which are inexorably and painfully answered by the silence of those responnsible and in the irrational, unfair, even manic attacks by usually "anonymous" and sometimes lightly identified right wing fundamentalists and, yes, in some cases by the painfully hurt. By stating facts they put to the lie, beg the question, demonstrate the apparant hypocracy and indeed, shape the eventual response of people of good will to the "something" or "nothing" of the "secret report".
If I were to be asked for the why, I would suggest that the key lies in the then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger's, 2004, "Letter to the bishops of the catholic church on the collaboration of men and women in THE CHURCH AND IN THE WORLD" (emphasis mine). This document sugar coats a theology and philosophy of women's role as subject to men "...in the church and in the world" as subtely as Jack Holland's "A Brief History of Misogyny" is vivid.
Women may not be as vulnerable as children, but they are more dangerous; especially when they are intelligent, educated, articulate and when obvious contradictions to good will and good faith clash with their peculiar passion, their good will and their Spirit inspired lights.
Recent credible statements emerging from senior vatican officials and church hierarchy demonstrate an intention to return to "Catholic Identity" of pre-Vatican II - definite and intrenched hierarchy, traditional "other worldly" medieval liturgy and stringency of dominance; habits, collars, "beads", obiessance, "indulgences", archaic understanndings and teachings of doctrine, scripture, dogma and selective tradition; and the imposition of traditional policies in the public square (in the church and IN THE WORLD).
Where better to start than with women, the victim of the ages, aging and diminishing in numbers, specifically targetted in that hell of excess, the US of A. Where better to start than with these women who have been evolving a style of Catholic Christianity that is inclusive, confraternal (if that is the right word), earthly, cosmic, and before and above all and in all Christ-like. They are evolving a style, progress and presence in the world that is as threatening to a male caste intransigennt hierarchy as is "thinking for oneself in consultation with peers".
As a young man taught by nuns I would not have questioned the visitation or investigation. But, I would have been on the side of Pope Pius XII. With significant exceptions, I did not like the nuns who taught me. Forty years later I listened to a couple of my teachers who returned for a class reunion and I listened, I learned and I have a better appreciationn of Pius XII and his unlikely ally, John XXIII but especially of these remarkable women.
Your reply to Sr.Schneiders
Your reply to Sr.Schneiders article was EXCELLENT!! As the widow of an ordained permanent deacon, I totally agree with your assessment of Rome today. My dear husband would be so disillusioned were he alive today. Joan Fry
I was educated by the
I was educated by the Sinsinawa Dominicans, a member of which is Sr. Annamarie Mongovern.
They provided excellent educations, not only in the cities, but in the hundreds of rural communities (such as mine) in which many times the students weren't that much younger than the sisters.
I will hold not only the quality of education but religious example that I received from these sisters up against anything offered then or today.
My word to the Vatican: stop biting the hands that have made the church in the USA possible.
Wow, thanks you Sandra for
Wow, thanks you Sandra for this enlightened overview. I know many great sister here in Ireland and their work. My heart goes out to you all in the States and I pray that some sense may come out of this investigation. 'All shall be well.'
With love and peace
Brian
I have known several women
I have known several women that left the "formal" religious life, but continued to live a very religious life in the "secular" world. Some of these women married and others continued to live a celibate life. But in every case they continued in ministry in a variety of ways.
As a girl in Catholic school, I too wanted to be a sister. Circumstances forbid it. But with Vatican II, more opportunities opened up for women in ministry. At that time it didn't seem necessary to be a sister when you could do the same ministries as sister and still be a lay woman.
This article explains very clearly why there is a lack of vocations to the religious life. It isn't only the women who have seen a decrease in vocations, the priesthood has too.
Today as I see it, we have more commited men and women joining the religious life for the right reasons...a commitment to God and His people.
Before when young men and women were "herded" into novitiate and seminary from high school, these young people had NO idea what they were giving up. They had not had a chance to experience enough life to know what God was calling them to.
I see a similar example in the average Catholic. Many are leaving the Church to go to other churches. Some are angry at the sex scandals and other "problems" they have with Church rules.
But we still have a good number of people seeking the Catholic Church through RCIA and do so because of their belief in God and treasure our traditions. They are able to look past all the turmoil and go toward God.
May God be with our beloved Sisters now and always.
Couldn't have said it better.
Couldn't have said it better. The IHM sisters educated me in high school, and they continue to educate. It's just a shame that the men who run our church continue obfuscate the issue and paint a different picture, refusing to acknowledge the realities of vocations.
Thank you Sister Sandra and
Thank you Sister Sandra and all those who have stayed. God has blessed us with your presence.
Superb analysis. A report
Superb analysis. A report worth reading! Thanks.
Great article!! I believe the
Great article!! I believe the future needs a big change. Is time to change! Maybe is time to free ourselves from the inquisitional Catholic Hierarchy, which is obsolete. It is like quiting from drug addiction. All Catholics needs some kind of therapy and treatment to liberate ourselves from such a sick institution and ridiculous laws. It is not easy, but yes we can make it. it is time for Liberation Theology in a new way.
You are absolutely right. We
You are absolutely right. We feel guilty when we make the decision not to attend anymore. I told my husband just yesterday that I cannot sit in a pew and be counted as someone willing to go along with the hierarchy. They do not want to hear what we think and are bulldozing over everyone who disagrees so I have opted out. I am still Catholic (even though I'll hear from some here that I am not) and when the hierarchy starts to listen again or repents of their own sins which are terrible and many, I will sit in the pew once again. When Jesus said Peter was to build up his church I do not think he meant for the apostles and their heirs to beat up on Jesus' people, abuse them, steal from them and consider them less than Peter and the rest. So yes, I am breaking the chain of my addiction and will rely on what Jesus taught which is to love one another, feed and care for one another. I will no longer be party to a group of corrupt men who tell me I am wrong for denouncing them.
And the fact that some orders
And the fact that some orders have done that is one of the major reasons for this visitation. Truth in advertising: if you don't want to be Catholic religious, no one is forcing you or your order to stay. If they truly believe they are not Catholic anymore, then don't be Catholic anymore.
Whose Church is it? That is
Whose Church is it? That is the real question. Do we see ourselves as a cultural institution whose primary goal is its own self-perpetuation? Or, do we see ourselves as a prophetic remnant, discerning the signs of the times and painfully trying to be faithful to God by seeking truth, justice and compassion for all peoples and the planet?
Anonymous on Aug. 18,
Anonymous on Aug. 18, 2009,
Exactly what is "Catholic"? If you looked at the lives of some of the saints and founders of religious orders---they wouldn't pass the "Catholic" test of some of the writers on this website.
People who are insecure in their own spiritual life---cling to the Magisterium's teachings like drowning persons cling to an inner tube. But while they hold up their catholicity like a badge of honor---they often dishonor the core of Christianity.
"You shall love the Lord your God, with your whole heart, mind, soul and all of your strength. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself." This is the test Jesus gives to his followers as proof of their identity. It says nothing about all the pronouncements by the hierarchy.
If religious orders are doing that---then they are true followers of Christ.
Thank you. Good to read
Thank you. Good to read someone who just says it like it is. I agree. Amen. As I experience religious life and meet particular religious women I do not get the sense of desperation or problem. I get the feeling of hope and even a bit of wonder. Wonder at what she/they and God are going to be about next.
I am deeply grateful to Sr.
I am deeply grateful to Sr. Sandra Schneiders for her essay. I deeply appreciate the balance between a caring heart and piercing analysis that she has brought to this task. In particular, I admire her courage.
I am a laywoman, have always been such, but I have many female friends who are vowed religious beginning with those RSCJ's who taught me for ten years when I was in boarding school in Australia. The same order educated my two daughters in Ireland. Instead of entering religious life in 1964, I went to Melbourne University, living in St. Mary's College, run by the IBVM. Since then, my contacts with nuns have been many and varied.
The double Inquistion that the Vatican hopes to impose upon the women religious of the United States is a disgrace and will redound to its eternal shame.
The reason that it is a disgrace is that, as Schneiders points out, Apostolic Visitations have, by definition, always implied suspicion, if not guilt. Because the target group is all 60,000 women the implication is that the abuse or wrong-doing to be investigated is endemic within the group. The investigations are alarming for their sheer breadth, deeply disturbing for their lack of transparent purpose and fundamentally insulting. While the nuns themselves are insulted by this very process, the laity who know them, trust them and support them are also insulted.
The laity would have been much happier to see the vatican launch a comperhensive investigation of all the priests and bishops of the United States who had been engaged in the sexual abuse of children or the cover-up of this abuse. If there is poor quality of life to be found in the American church it is unarguably with the men not the women.
For this reason alone, the laity, both women and men, are in fact stunned, that the Vatican could choose to investigage the women and not the men of Catholic America.
And what is so particularly wrong with American nuns? While members of the Society of the Sacred Heart (RSCJ) are to be investigated in Amercia, what of their sisters in Australia and the 43 other countries in which they live and work? Are French of Korean nuns better behaved than their American sisters?
Or is it that French and Korean priests have not engaged in the sexual abuse of children to the same degree as their American counterparts. Which leads me back to a conversation I had in Dublin, Ireland last week with a member of the Sisters of Mercy from Australia. As laywoman and nun, we too hypothesized that the purpose of the investigation is to ascertain the size of the assets of American nuns so that American bishops can take possession of them to pay their legal bills and/or to repair their financial situations.
As a lawyer, I have one final comment to make. It comes in the form of a suggestion: No sister should attend for interview without the presence of at least one witness and a tape recorder. She should also retain a copy of any questionnaire signed by at least one witness. The Vatican has never had any trouble in ignoring the justice that is inherent in the practice of due process.
Travel bravely with Sandra Schneiders, American sisters and know that your lay sisters around the globe are with you.
It is indeed sad that such a
It is indeed sad that such a jaded view of the church hierarchy and their intentions can be so right on target. We may never know the real reasons behind this visitation but you can bet they are not of the highest order.
A great essay. Four
A great essay.
Four points:
1) Some of those who stayed were more comfortable living with other women than they would have been in a world where they would have been expected to attract/date/marry men. Many women religious are homosexual.
2) Some of those who stayed were of lower than average intelligence and felt more comfortable in a place where they would always have a job and friends, regardless of their lack of intellectual acuity and social skill.
3) True that there was no "sudden deterioration in the quality of religious life". The convent structure remained the same well into the exodus. Those who left were regarded as traitors, told to repay the communities for the education they had received, told they were mentally ill for wanting to leave, accused of interfering with their friends' vocations by trying to talk them into leaving. There were orders who for years continued the old custom of never mentioning those who had left. Friends met old friends in secret. Et cetera.
4) Who tattled to cause the current investigation/visitation? No clue, although nuns have gotten less media attention than priests have for the sexual (and physical and emotional etc.) abuse of children. Maybe this is one of the reasons for the secrecy. Maybe the bishops would like to spread the guilt to include women religious, thereby deflecting some of the anger from themselves and the priests they protected. See, e.g.: Sexual Abuse and the Culture of Catholicism: How Priests and Nuns Become Perpetrators, by Myra Hidalgo, with a foreword by Thomas P. Doyle.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Sexual-Abuse-and-the-Culture-of-Catholi...
Where in the world do you get
Where in the world do you get your information. How do you know that women religious are lesbians?
Women religious are among the most educated group in America. They are highly intellectual.
I left religious life and was never branded a traitor. I love and still loved by the women I was honored to live among. (Oops, not to be understood as lesbian love)!
Odd that a person who had
Odd that a person who had been in religious life would know so little about the history of religious life and so little about its current state.
And troubling that anyone would think there's something wrong with being homosexual and/or of low I.Q.
God loves and calls to religious life people from all points on the sexuality spectrum and from all levels of intelligence. She loves all Her children.
Your last sentence speaks
Your last sentence speaks volumes about what part of the problem could be with American religious women. Where in the Bible do you ever find it recorded that Our Lord made references to God in such a manner as "She" or "Our Mother who art in Heaven"? Or maybe you think that Jesus was also a female also? Move away from the goddess and be a real Catholic, for Heaven's sake - or go somewhere else and plague some other poor religion!
How sad that you are
How sad that you are unfamiliar with the beautiful passage in Luke where Jesus compares himself to a Hen gathering HER chicks.
How sad that you think Jesus and I should "go somewhere else".
The word "tattled" says it
The word "tattled" says it all.It is a word suggesting an adolescent level of emotional maturity.
To say that those who remained in traditional religious houses were:
remaining because they would not be able to attract men if they left or because they were same sex attracted;
lower than average intelligence and incapable of earning a living outside the convent;
is nasty and vindictive.
If you left or someone you know left there is no need to belittle and mock those who remained.
Stating true and obvious
Stating true and obvious facts is not "to belittle and mock".
It is not true that women who
It is not true that women who remained nuns and loyal to the magisterium are stupid or incompetent but it is true that there are some who have remained calling themselves nuns but who with their words and actions oppose and undermine loyalty to the Church. Why they stay is a mystery to me and it may be true that it is amongst these type of nuns that you find people afraid to leave the security of "Church" teaching posts in "Catholic" Universities which are not authentically Catholic in their teachings or actions.
Perhaps if the Church offered to set them up in the secular world we might be free of their constant betrayals and false witness?
From Salon, August
From Salon, August 17:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/17/nuns/print.html
"Nuns on the run from the truth:
Why won't the leadership of America's nuns meet with the survivors of sexual abuse by nuns, and hear their stories?"
By Frances Kissling
Religious women are some of
Religious women are some of the most brilliant, emotionally healthy, profoundly spiritual people I have ever known.
I agree with Pseudonym. His
I agree with Pseudonym. His viewpoint is not popular, but needs to be aired in any complete discusion of the role of women religious in the history of the church. Every organization has its "bad apples," until the ones in the convents are identified and disciplined, all women religious will be suspect.
There are currently several
There are currently several situations in the U.S. church that would justify such an investigation (widespread child sexual abuse by clerics, episcopal cover-ups of such abuse, long term sexual liaisons by people vowed to celibacy...) but women religious are not significantly implicated in any of these.
Indeed, Sr. Sandra?
What do you consider "significant?" How many abuse survivors does it take to become "significant?"
Are the pickets who've been outside of the LCWR convention for some years, asking to be allowed to present their experiences with having been sexually abused by nuns, "insignificant?"
In our experience as advocates for the abused, it seems that religious orders of women (like those of men) have worked very hard to minimize their problem and to put it (and the survivors) behind them.
They've cited that taking responsibility or engaging in dialogue amounts to a "distraction" from their missions. Or, maybe, it's just no fun.
Now, on occasion of this Visitation, sisters feel disenfranchised and marginalized. They feel that they are not being heard. They feel that the dialogue is unequal, asymmetrical, and therfore unfair.
To which survivors and advocates answer: "Welcome to the club, Sisters. That's how your institutions have made us feel for a very long time."
Especially when you tell us that we're "not significant."
For those in denial about
For those in denial about abusive nuns, some places to start:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS257&q=nuns+...
I want to thank you Sandra
I want to thank you Sandra Schneiders, for articulating so many of my own thoughts on, "Why they stay(ed) Women religious and the apostolic visitation."
I am also a member of those who "compose the largest cohort in religious life, the 60-80 year olds," having entered the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur after my twenty-first birthday and after a few years working at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and taking some courses at the University of Pennsylvania. I will celebrate my golden jubilee this coming year.
I hope other women religious raise their voices with a clarity similar to the crystalline one you have used here.
Sister Maureen Paul Turlish
Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur
New Castle, Delaware
maureenpaulturlish@yahoo.com
Wow! Thank you VERY much for
Wow! Thank you VERY much for this overview, and inspiring explanation. I've been grieving, along with many of my contemporaries, lay women all. The outcome of this investigation has ramifications for all women. The joy and peace I've experienced in gatherings of many diverse groups of religious women confirms all that is said here. Blessings on you all. And Thank You!
Dear Sandra, "Caritas in
Dear Sandra,
"Caritas in Veritate", Charity in Truth - that is what your informed essay presents to Church authority and those few conservative Catholics who are so highly crital of women religiou. Thank you so much for your wise and forthright assessment of this "Visitation". As a renowned theologian, I am sure you have read Cardinal Rode's speech at the Symposium on Consecrated Life(CARDINAL RODÉ AT SYMPOSIUM ON CONSECRATED LIFE ("Reforming Religious Life With the Right Hermeneutic" posted on Zenit.org).
Anyone who reads this will have great insight into why many religious are referring to this Visitation as an investigation. Basically the Cardinal accuses women religious of incorrectly interpreting the spirit of Vatican II. He gives the "correct" interpretation and from that concludes that American women religious have been out of step for the past 40 years. What a distortion of reality.
It angers me that one man in authority can tell 60,000 women that their lived experience for the past 40 years is based on an erroneous interpretation of the spirit of Vatican II.
I beg all women religious to stand against this violation of their dignity as persons and as communities. Refuse to participate in this sham and tell the powers that to get their own house in order - to apply the words of the Pope's latest encyclical letter ("Caritas in Veritate", Charity in Truth)
to their own injustices "Right intention, transparency, and the search for positive results are mutually compatible and must never be detached from one another" (#65) and,the voice of all peoples affected must be heard and their situation must be taken into consideration, if their expectations are to be met" (#72).
Please for the sake of the Catholic Church in America and for the sake women in this Church stand up for your "truth in charity" and bring us all closer to freedom and full human dignity and development.
Thank you, again.
Dear Sister Sandra, From the
Dear Sister Sandra,
From the bottom of my heart - thank you for such a sound, well referenced, enlightened article. We are, indeed, under fire, but perhaps some have forgotten the gold that will emerge from the furnace.
May God bless you!
Did you sisters ever wonder
Did you sisters ever wonder what the hierarchy would do if you just refused collectively to taking the oath and paying for the visitations? Would the hierarchy really denounce you all especially with so many of the laity behind you? This is wrong and they need to know it - they do know it but power blinds them. It is up to us and you to let them no that there is only so far you will go for them, that although they run the church they are not the church and they are certainly not God the one you really follow.
The Vatican can suppress
The Vatican can suppress these communities and confiscate their money. Rob the sisters to pay for clergy sex abuse. Those ole guys ain't dumb.
I'm with you - Sisters, just say, "NO".
Sr Schneider, Thank you for
Sr Schneider,
Thank you for the clarity. You are dealing with a fearful hierarchy, and frightened demagogues can be vicious, even while mouthing the word of the Prince of peace and mercy. Stay strong, for yourselves and for all the rest of us. Clearly, the attack on the sisters is a testing of resolve, not only of the sisters themselves but of any progressive movement in the Church itself. Right now it seems to pit the Roman Catholic Church against the workings of the Holy Spirit--ultimately, the outcome seems sure, but many can be hurt along the way as the Church's own shameful history has made clear.
Bob Sauerbrey
Thank you Sister for your
Thank you Sister for your insight and comments. The article AND the many comments are worth the time to read and appreciate.12
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT SUMMATION. If only the hieracrchial church had ears to hear but alas I think not - they have set a course towards the rocks. As Joan Chittister says - "Neurotic prayer denies reality."
Neil Chapman New Zealand
Dear Sister Sandra, I
Dear Sister Sandra,
I sincerely thank you for your article. It brought great joy to me to read something so well thought out and so beautifully presented. I am a former religious of fifteen years with my Community. I loved my community then and I love the Community now. To see the Church calling into to question modern day Religious Life has been very hurtful. Religious women have given so much to the development of the Church through the works they have given to the people within the church and in the world at large. I have a greater understanding of what is happening; however, it is the vague reasons and the process which is being used that is causing me deep concern. Thank you so very much for taking the time to attempt to enlighteb us who care. To all the Womwn Religious in the United States, May the Lord bless you abundantly for all you do and for all you are. Gratefully youra, Dorothy Lee
Dear Sister I have never read
Dear Sister
I have never read such a wonderful summary of the religious life and its joys and problems. I could identify with the sisters you describe in some of our local sisters here in Sunderland, England, to whom I am most grateful for my own education and at primary stage, that of my sons, and the work they do in the parishes with RCIA and that with underprivileged people. They are truly the face and hands of Christ in their work.
I hope that the forthcoming 'examination'of the orders and communities only serves to show the dedication and hard work of the sisters. I will keep you all in my prayers.
I am a female, lay church
I am a female, lay church professional in my 30s. I have been very blest to have had many religious women in my life as teachers, bosses, colleagues, partners and friends. I have drawn considerable inspiration and direction from them. They are the women that I try to emulate. If any of you read this article, I want to add my thanks to it. I am deeply indebted to you.
I am praying for you through this process.
Thank You for being role
Thank You for being role models. Would like to encourage you to trust
in yourselves and God. Realizing it is not an easy task to steadily
move forward,you are key a link in establishing respect for women.
Women's half of spirituality has been a missing link in the equation.
The efforts of women religious should not be threating to the broken
system. It is through mutual respect of each gender that will allow
Catholism to blossom. Hang in there ladies , you are hope!!!
Interesting article, though
Interesting article, though biased, as so much is these days, against the hierarchy. For one, bishops cannot simply "seize" property that is owned by a religious congregation. There are canonical restrictions and procedures that limit the ability of bishops to take such action. Further it is naive to suspect that any bishop would be willing to take such a drastic step, given the support that religious orders maintain among the majority of the faithful.
This visitation likely could have been prevented had those charged with governing their congregations prevented their sisters from engaging in very public acts of dissent. Had Sr. Joan Chittister's superior done what the Holy See asked and forbade her from participating in a Women's Ordination Conference in Ireland; had superiors of orders prohibited their sisters from attending and participating in mock "ordinations" of women; had superiors obeyed requests from local bishops to curb the excesses of sisters teaching in schools; had the LCWR publicly disavowed Sr. Brink's comments about orders moving "beyond Christ" and disavowed her further comments:
“Jesus narrative is not the only or the most important narrative…They still hold up and reverence the values of the Gospel, but they also recognize that these same values are not solely the property of Christianity. Buddhism, Native American spirituality, Judaism, Islam and others hold similar tenets for right behavior within the community, right relationship with the Earth and right relationship with the divine.”
She described the Benedictine Women of Madison as having a commitment to “ecumenism” which led them “beyond the exclusivity of the Catholic Church into a new inclusivity, where all manner of God is welcomed. They are certainly religious women, but they are no longer women religious as it is defined by the Roman Catholic Church. They choose as a congregation to step outside the Church in order to step into a greater sense of holiness.”.
Had the superiors of women religious actually curtailed or prevented these public actions of dissent, it is likely that the visitation would not be necessary.
In the end, the sisters (those charged with leadership and who did not lead, and those who engaged in public acts of dissent and encouraged dissent in others) are to blame for this visitation, not the Holy See. This is analogous to a student who breaks a rule at school and then, when disciplined, blames the principal or teacher for punishing him.
I became increasingly
I became increasingly dismayed as I surveyed the farrago of hatred of the Church's hierarchy which supported Sister Schneiders' sociological article until I saw Clint's reasoned response. Where there is hatred, God is absent. Some of her supporters are on the way to protestantism. It was abundantly clear from her article that Sister Schneiders has idealised those of her own starry-eyed persuasion and sees the intervention from a paranoid perspective as an impending persecution. One could be pardoned for expecting that an academic would welcome any inquiry seeking to establish the truth of a given state-of-affairs, at least waiting until an outcome emerges before criticising it. That she does not approve of its terms of reference and methodology is surely irrelevant: the outcome will be the important consideration. Her article looks like a pre-emptive strike; perhaps she senses that her own activities within the church may not always have been conducive to the health of its religious orders. For example, has she ever espoused women's ordination, that delusion which is now so 'off the boil'?
"...has she ever espoused
"...has she ever espoused women's ordination, that delusion which is now so 'off the boil'?", PC writes. It is really irrelevant to her article and its validity. By the way, it is not off the boil. If the visitation and investigation are as the modus would appear - retrenchments into intransigency and domination - the ordination issue for women will grow. There will be a greater recognition of the repressive nature of a male dominated and dominion based hierarchical institution. It is a matter of time, they can't win: if they are silent and unresponsive to the challenge of christly love, professionalism, transparency and God-sanctioned rationality, they show their colours; if they reply their unreason and underlying opressive misogyny emerges from under the sugar coating.
It is not the Sister Schneider's of the world that are fuelling the "ordination of women" cause, it is the "PC"s and "Clint Green"s and "Milbo"s and other shut the door in your face pseudo Catholics. You types create a "win/lose" dichotomy, begin the strife which will be your own demise.
Sir. reread your own letter
Sir. reread your own letter before you accuse anyone else of being biased.
Sr. Schneiders, thank you for
Sr. Schneiders, thank you for a well-written analysis of the issues facing Catholic women religious. You've provided insight to questions that I've wondered about for years--ones that my parents could only skim the surface of.
I hope the inquisition turns out well for the religious orders of our nation, but somehow I feel not. I'll pray for a miracle.
I wonder what you would think about a "deacon option" being opened up to lay women? I for one, would be willing to set my career in the corporate world aside and pursue it were it available. I once broached this topic with my father, though; the result was less than what I had hoped for to say the least.
Thank you Sister Sandra. As a
Thank you Sister Sandra. As a non-Catholic, I am excited that the Visitation is being welcomed. The contemporary social movements of the 1960s produced the present social setting that Marc Morial, a Catholic, President of the National Urban League, characterized as an airtight cultural vacuum. My sense is that those who left joined the culturally bankrupt movement have not apprehended the glories of religiousity that Vatican Council II promised. In the words of Bishop Desmond Tutu, "what you get from a corrupt system is corruption."
While I am not sure where the Visitation will end, I am prepared for Vatican Council III, if you will. Pope Benedict XVI spoke some words on April 17, 2008, that no president in the history of America dared to speak. Hence, I am with the forward movement, hoping to put to rest the social movements of the 1960s as frauds. That would include what has been called the civil rights movement of the '60s. Keep an open mind and allow the designated person to experience full cooperation. America can be fixed if we so choose. Forgive.
All Blessings,
Charles McGee
"From the Back of the Bus"
Andalusia, Alabama
Charles McGee writes:
Charles McGee writes: "...hoping to put to rest the social movements of the 1960s as frauds. That would include what has been called the civil rights movement of the '60s." My Gawd man what planet do you live on?
I am from Australia.
I am from Australia. Congratulations on a very good and balanced article. We do live in troubled times for the Church, no question. Your concerns are to be noted. At present here in Australia we are preparing for the Canonisation of our first saint, Blessed Mary MacKillop, reflection on her life seems to have many of the elements that you have mentioned in your article......maybe a story of "no pain, no gain." The good work of the sisters will prevail
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