Religious life: sharing Jesus' passion, resurrection

Fifth and final part of 'Religious Life as Prophetic Life Form'

Jan. 08, 2010
Sandra Schneiders

This is the fifth and final part of a five-part essay by Immaculate Heart of Mary Sr. Sandra Schneiders on the meaning of religious life today. In this part Schneiders, professor of New Testament Studies and Christian Spirituality at the Jesuit School of Theology at Berkeley, offers her conclusions in her essay entitled “Religious Life as Prophetic Life Form.” These essays run from Jan. 4 through Jan. 8.

Conclusion
We can now see the parallel between the two-level analysis of the execution of Jesus and the two levels of the struggle between U.S. women Religious and the Vatican. At the surface level Jesus was executed to put a stop to his “stirring up the people” which threatened the status quo of the Empire and the Temple. But at the deepest level, although “they knew not what they were doing,” the officials were trying to neutralize the radical revolution Jesus was introducing into their “world.” Jesus was initiating, by his prophetic words and works, a “new creation,” totally at odds with the satanic domination systems in power not only in political and religious institutions but in the human race as a whole. He was inaugurating and inviting people into the Reign of God, into a regime of endless and unconditioned compassion that would overflow into and empower a new form of justice based not on retribution and coercive power but on forgiveness of sins and inclusion in the all-embracing love of God. The Resurrection was God’s “yes” to Jesus’ work and “no” to the murder that tried to stop it.

Since Jesus, the Reign of God is “loose” in this world, working its painful way through the witness of saints and martyrs toward its full eschatological realization. The “powers” of this world are still at work to prevent this realization but, as Jesus said to his disciples on the eve of his death, “Have confidence; I have overcome the world.”

When we get down to the deeper levels of the question with which this essay began, “Why are Religious, of all people, being investigated by the Vatican?” we can discern the same two levels. At the surface level Religious are being threatened because they have been “upsetting the (patriarchal) order” of the Church as institution in which the hierarchy has its position of power. But they are calling into question not only absolute male power over women (which was not invented by and is not restricted to the Church) but also the necessity of understanding the Church itself as essentially an institution based on sacralized power. Religious, by their community life, are aligning themselves with the ecclesiology of the Church as People of God expressed in Lumen Gentium, a discipleship of equals, within which they are both exemplars and facilitators but also in solidarity with those to whom they no longer wish to be “superior” or “elite.” They are gratefully living among their lay sisters and brothers the oneness of the Body of Christ. This ecclesiology is no threat to the community Jesus gathered around him but it is a threat to an understanding of Church as a sacralized empire. It goes back to Jesus, not to Constantine.

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But this Body of Christ, which we are, exists not just for the Church itself but for the world which God so loved. It is not a place of privilege or power, a sanctuary of the perfect, but the effective presence of Christ in the world in service of all those for whom Jesus died and rose. This is the vision of the Church in the world that came to marvelous expression in Gaudium et Spes.

The struggle between Religious and the hierarchy is really, at its core, a struggle over the nature of Religious Life itself which is necessarily determined by how one understands the Church in its relation to the world. Is this life a job corps of submissive workers carrying out hierarchically assigned and supervised institutional Church tasks designed to bring all people into the Roman Catholic Church and into subjection to its leadership? Or is Religious Life a charismatically grounded, prophetic life form in the Church called by God to the ever ambiguous task of discerning how the Gospel, the good news of the Reign of God, can be made salvifically operative in the concrete and confusing situations in which believers must live their Christ-life today in witness to all peoples of the infinite loving-kindness of our God?

If, as I believe, it is the latter then the primary “offense” of ministerial Religious is that they are reading the “signs of the times” as a call to sustain and promote the renewal inaugurated by Vatican II while some officials of the institution itself are trying to restore the tridentine vision of the Church as a power structure defending itself against a threatening world that is promoting a culture of death. Like the disciples preaching Jesus as the crucified messiah when they had been told by the authorities that that interpretation of the paschal events was false, threatening to the authorities, and not to be proclaimed, Religious are embodying in their lives and proclaiming to others an interpretation of the Council that is not approved by many in the hierarchy. Rather than “obediently” supporting the restoration, they are promoting the ongoing conciliar renewal in their own lives and among the laity.

The re-centralization of power in the Vatican, the re-clericalization of ministry, the restoration of liturgy as a mysterious and private clerical performance to which the baptized are an appreciative but passive audience, and the reduction of spirituality to private devotionalism which are central to the restorationist agenda, are endangered by the theology of Vatican II which Religious are living and promoting. Gamaliel’s test is the only one which will eventually adjudicate this difference of interpretation. Was the Council a definitive and irreversible Pentecostal renewal of the Church which, no matter how difficult it will be to do so, must be lived into the future, and, in any case, cannot be suppressed any more than the apostolic preaching could be? Or was it the mistake of false “enthusiasts” that needs to be corrected by a “reform of the reform”? That adjudication is going to take considerable time.

It is difficult to see how the ongoing tension between official authority and Religious Life that is part of this Church-wide struggle can be resolved. But a first step toward non-violence and mutuality, even in difference, is to recognize the problem. Religious, it seems to me, need to claim and define their own life as they have come to understand it and live it with courage and integrity but without arrogance or unnecessary provocation. Religious Life is not a grade on the hierarchical ladder; it does not belong to the hierarchical organization of the Church at all. It is a charismatically grounded close following and imitation of Jesus and his itinerant band of disciples. The vocation to prophetic ministry is intrinsic to this life form. This is true of the life form itself and therefore of Congregations and individual members.

Most Religious I know deeply desire open communication, understanding, mutual respect, and cooperation in ministry within the institutional Church. They have consistently shown themselves willing to go much more than the “extra mile” to achieve this goal. But they are not willing to de-nature their life or ministry any more than the first disciples were willing to “not preach in that name any more ”

A second step, at least so it seems to me, is for Religious to pray their way, personally and corporately, into a peaceful and courageous acceptance that the tension between institutional authority and prophetic ministry is and will always be part of the life of the Body of Christ, the journey of the People of God through history, because it was structurally intrinsic to Jesus’ own prophetic life and ministry. Part of understanding Religious Life today, for Religious themselves and for others, is a double realization. First, prophetic ministry is absolutely necessary for the Church in every age even though it will never be welcomed by institutional authority. Second, the exercise of that ministry, which is intrinsic to Religious Life, will always involve misunderstanding of one’s best intentions, persecution and suffering, and sometimes even crucifixion, which Jesus told his disciples at the last supper, often may be at the hands of the religious authorities who think that thereby “they are giving glory to God” (Jn. 16:2).

Religious cannot expect to experience Jesus’ Resurrection if we are unwilling to share his passion. And we do not always have the luxury of choosing whether we will suffer at the hands of secular powers or of the Church’s power structure. But Jesus says to us as he did to Paul in the midst of his ministerial struggles, which came most often from the religious rather than the secular authorities, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness" (2 Cor. 12:9).

The essay in five parts:

Part One: Religious Life as Prophetic Life Form, Jan. 4

Part Two: Call, Response and Task of Prophetic Action, Jan. 5

Part Three: What Jesus taught us about his prophetic ministry, Jan. 6

Part Four: Tasks of those who choose the prophetic life style, Jan. 7

Part Five: Religious life: sharing Jesus' passion, resurrection, Jan. 8

Read NCR's coverage of the apostolic visitation of U.S. women religious here: Index of stories

Read an interview with Sr. Schneiders. She explains why she wrote this essay: Schneiders to explore meaning of religious life today

Vita Consecrata by Pope John

Vita Consecrata by Pope John Paul II is the blueprint for modern religious life.

"Is this life a job corps of

"Is this life a job corps of submissive workers carrying out hierarchically assigned and supervised institutional Church tasks designed to bring all people into the Roman Catholic Church and into subjection to its leadership?"

It certainly IS if you read the above-mentioned "Vita Consecrata by Pope John Paul II" http://www.intratext.com/x/eng0099.htm (cf. especially articles 13,43,46,49,91) and interpret it falsely to be "the blueprint for modern religious life." Which, by the way, anonymous is WRONG. Vatican II's Perfectae Caritatis is, and it is MISSING from the list of "Reference Materials" on the Apostolic Visitation's website - a deliberate oversight and slap in the face to decades of energy, reflection and writing by female and male religious communities.

Further analysis of Pope John Paul II's document seems to also suggest that its more forward-looking pronouncements are also consciously being IGNORED by the entire Apostolic Visitation process (cf. articles 50,58,70,74,80,82).

A preacher ran through the

A preacher ran through the streets of the city shouting, "We must put God into our lives. We must put God into our lives." An old monastic rose up in the city plaza to say, "No, sir, you are wrong. You see, God is already in our lives. Our task is simply to recognize him."
-- Sr. Joan Chittister, OSB

Oh, indeed, this is very

Oh, indeed, this is very true. The Lord is already in our midst! In the church, lead by the successor of Peter. These ordained men looks at their role in the church as service in the name of Christ, while the pseudo spiritual-learned people, like Snieder and her followers, look at it as power and domination.

I believe as Sr Sandra has

I believe as Sr Sandra has made hugely clear that neither Vita Consecrata nor any other vatican document has priority over the gospel for sisters or for any other Christian (even Roman Catholics). I spent 30 years as a contemplative religious sister and am grateful for that. But in the end, I left, in part because I could no longer be quiet about the state of our institutional church and its seeming blindness to the needs of all of us to hear the freeing gospel message which the Spirit calls to us to live. I am more grateful than I can say for her courage.

Dear Exsister Judith, You are

Dear Exsister Judith,
You are truly honest and correct about yourself when you said, "I could no longer be quiet about the state of our institutional church" and courageous enough and honest when you said, "I left". You said that, "I spent 30 years as a contemplative religious sister." My golly you fooled yourself for that long.Now, you will always say that you have a sense of freedom. Goooood. MY GOODNESS ! ! ! But that was not the fault of the "institutional church," my dear. Claim it as yours, my dear. What hapened to you is not a fault of others or the institution. It was all along you are living in an illusion. Don't blame others or the institution because you never fit not they fit yours. This "Institution" is there before you were born and will be there even you leave this world. And don't be inspired by Snieder's reflection. She is very wrong. Mary was called to give Jesus to the world. Jesus called these men. You and Snieder, do you want to change that?

Religious sensitivity is a

Religious sensitivity is a taste of Heaven on Earth. It’s the love between a mother and child; love exemplified by Jesus. That’s the measure Jesus puts before his disciples. “Unless you become like one of these there is no place for you in my kingdom.” The heaven we buy into is qualified by the theology that defines it. If one subscribes to the theology of dominion-from-the-top-down one will understand heaven as being conferred from the top-down; but if one perceives life and theology as participatory, from-the-bottom-up, one will understand heaven quite differently. If history is a measure, some logic seemingly applies to both perspectives. The common ground on which we all walk, and answers to life need to be relearned and re-informed by every generation.

It isn’t the place of church to give the impression that it is empowered to “sell” heaven, as people have been persuaded to believe. Heaven is commonly represented as perpetual time and a place of physical/ spiritual bliss. The details of time and place get blurry, particularly so, when the worldview upon which theology and heaven are rationalized loses credibility; modern knowledge subscribes to an evolutionary worldview that religions mostly reject. This is the conundrum that mainline religions and theology face, namely, that the top-down, static-centric worldview is now eroded by bottom-up consciousness of the evolutionary worldview.

The worldview of creation-from-the-top-down is based on belief of the direct creation of species by God, distinctly different and fixed in their life-form. The worldview of creation (from within) from-the-bottom-up conceives of all creation as essentially joined, and all higher life-forms evolved from lower (less complex) life-forms. The substance of all organisms is continually self-renewing; old substance is ever replaced with new.

Dominion theology understands heaven in terms of physical place where the saintly shall abide forever in physical/ spiritual bliss, those who die live forever after life on Earth ceases. Dominion politics play on emotions of guilt and fear, reward and punishment as a way of keeping people in place; its divinity plays by the same rules.

Participation theology is open to the time and place of Earth-life, knowing that life is in process of continuous change and that it will cease to be sometime in the future. People are aware that they have a hand in changes to Earth-life and in sustaining life on Earth. Beyond this life it cannot be known what existence in the future will be, but that should be ok for we ought to realize that our existence is a gratuity of genetic inheritance; why not trust the gratuity of after-life existence? Better to be than not to be.

So, what is heaven? Heaven may be conceived as a quality of informed consciousness whose dimensions are anticipated through physical senses that inform consciousness and thought-processing—a process and place of human conditioning. What the senses know about heaven is that human choices in the present determine the quality of harmony and happiness in the future. The way we live, lives on after us in the company of future generations. Heaven can’t be bought, it is to be experienced. God is with us. Heaven is from within. Personal trust in the future is a measure of trustworthiness and expectation of return in kind. Be trustworthy and experience the bliss you anticipate.

http://www.secondenlightenment.org/SERVICE%20TO%20RELIGION.pdf

Huh…what did he say? My

Huh…what did he say? My heaven is dong God's in the "hear and now"

JUSTIFIED LIVING is in the

JUSTIFIED LIVING is in the here-and-now. Energetic nature confers grace potential on everyone individually, each according to his/ her gene-based inheritance, and generally, according to cultural nurturing. Grace is "natural" virtue, the soul/ body edification of word/ work, the motivation of consciousness and conscience.

The “justified life” is what evolution produces in proving the process of symbiosis. Justification identifies with evolution as matter identifies with energy. All life is subject to the ongoing justification of evolution. In human consciousness, justification becomes an intentional process as well as intensional; humankind fails the mindful test of authenticity when its consciousness is misinformed and misdirected.

Vital sustainability and essential continuity are correlated works of evolution. Life is justified, and authenticity is secured in the sustainable order of relationships that serve personal/ social wellbeing. Human potential is broad-band energy transmitted through optic strands of interpersonal bonding. Personal living is justified when it passes the sustainable test of authenticity.

Justification and authenticity lead to more perfect unions, to community strengthened in interests of the common good. Justification is perpetual vigilance that seeks always what most effectively advances wellbeing; it is a testing process of personal conscience which seeks to correct for personal/ social failings in the here-and-now. Symbiotic harmony is the here-and-now engagement of mutuality, complementarity and subsidiarity, the economic condition of vital ecology. Fundamentally, eco-sustainability is a priority right-to-life issue.

Symbiosis is a matter of intentional purpose when justification is recognized in the here-and-now work of mutuality, complementarity and subsidiarity. Informed consciousness recognizes the essential continuity of these correlated relationships and engages them in authenticating human life. Symbiotic justification is spiritual/ secular, virtual/ virtuous, word/ work, and prevision/ provision.

One who seeks justification sets for her/ himself high standards of excellence, of Godlikeness, and chooses to behave altruistically towards others. Godlike sensitivity is a unique capability of human self-reflection. Justification is about choosing higher perfection, the challenge of Godlikeness. Greater justification is a measure of greater perfection; neither justification nor perfection is some absolute, rather both are coincident, continuous processes that sustain wellbeing and prove the “essential continuity” of natural life from generation from generation.

Justified living isn’t just the responsibility of people in Religious Community, rather it is the conscionable responsibility of every person [“Perfectionism” is a “religious” illusion that presumes “perfection” to be some absolute state that is attainable to religious experience.] One is on the way to justified living when prevision/ provision and informed consciousness control one’s personal life, and one owns up to the essential correlations of mutuality, complementarity and subsidiarity.

www.justifiedliving.gather.com/nature

Thank you, Sylvester. As

Thank you, Sylvester. As always, it is a pleasure to read from your wisdom.

Thanks, "Sly".... I'm with

Thanks, "Sly".... I'm with you

the pushback on Sr,Schneiders

the pushback on Sr,Schneiders analysis in Traditional blogs, comments on .e.g Catholic Culture sites and others involves character asassination, calls for 'get them [religious sisters]out of the Church'. These vitriolic comments will also be posted on so called progressive sites such as NCR, America. Commonweal. These Catholic 'tea-baggers'are escalating their verbal attacks and no one in church leadership positions is telling them to cool it. Too many bishops are even encouraging them. When will the laity in the pews say enough? The attackers, almost always anonymous, using slash and burn tactics have escalated since last year and need to be encountered and exposed. They are savaging the Faith they truly believe they possess. They need our prayers to calm their fears.

In other words, present only

In other words, present only one point of view? Sounds Fascist to me.
The point is, these religious, while falling back on their position as legitimate religious by legal definitions, do not embrace the whole of the substance of Canon Law.
It is not "character assassination" to point out the fawning duplicity and rationalizations in Sr. Sandra's highly publicized views.
And, by the way, sites such as this would not have an option to remain anonymous if there wasn't a good reason. Remember the Inquisition? Oh, wait a minute, that's the topic of this whole business. ;-)

Debate the statements of

Debate the statements of Sandra with theological arguments: don't abuse the person.

I note your anonymity.

You must have answered to the

You must have answered to the wrong post since 'the person' was not abused. (And don't try to tell me or anyone else what to do, Peter.)

Anonymous; character

Anonymous;
character asassination uses words like Fascist,fawning duplicity,..etc you know the drill .
O!! and your sites only let contributers comment!
Work on your fears.. the progressives really don't have any black helocopters ready to round up the Trads.

Anonymous on Jan. 08,

Anonymous on Jan. 08, 2010.

You stated:

"In other words, present only one point of view? Sounds Fascist to me.
The point is, these religious, while falling back on their position as legitimate religious by legal definitions, do not embrace the whole of the substance of Canon Law.
It is not "character assassination" to point out the fawning duplicity and rationalizations in Sr. Sandra's highly publicized views.
And, by the way, sites such as this would not have an option to remain anonymous if there wasn't a good reason. Remember the Inquisition? Oh, wait a minute, that's the topic of this whole business."
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And for whom is canon law mostly written? Not for the laity (and religious are laity---but living in a consecrated state)? Canon law is written primarily for the clergy and hierarchy.

Canon law is not a spiritual document. It is not a rule of life. It does not possess words to guide one through the vissitudes of life. It certainly is not Sacred Scripture. It is a law-book! A church law-book.

So what are you talking about "these religious accepting the whole of Canon Law". The parts of their Constitutions (statutes) that need to be governed by Canon Law---are. I don't think that you ever saw, never mind read, the Constitutions or Rule of Life of any religious Order or Congregation.

Nor do you have any training in the meaning of religious life. You have no more idea of what Sr. Sandra is talking about, than one of those stone statues on Easter Island. Your ideas are like cement---mixed up and permanently set!

What is important is the

What is important is the whole of the substance of Jesus' words, not the whole of the substance of canon law. This is ridiculous. I really want religious communities to spend their time and energy ingesting canon law? Oh boy...now there is a calling worthy of a young person's life...

Amen, amen. These "slash and

Amen, amen. These "slash and burn types" are everywhere. It only takes a few vocals to upset everything. What a farce, the meeting held with the cardinal that instigated the "Visitation". Letters to Rome etc. for the past 40 years makes them sound like a majority. The real "silent majority" must rise up and say "No More". Come on good folks, who have been educated by, healed in their hospitals, counseled and lead in parishes and social justice works, rise up. Our Amerian religious women have built and sustained our church from the early 1800's. Give them a break!!! Give them the support they deserve for pete's sake. Enough already!!!! My support goes to them forevermore. The "institutional organization church" does not warrant that support $$$$$. Amen.

Thank you, Barbie. "Right

Thank you, Barbie. "Right on!"

Ed, we laity have said

Ed, we laity have said "enough" many times, but only "NCR". "AMERICA" and
"COMMONWEAL" are listening.

Bad Theology - Sharing Jesus'

Bad Theology - Sharing Jesus' Passion:
Sr. Sandra is making a case for "Power Suffering." This is a medieval concept that distorts human weaknesses to assume that we [women & non-clergy] are to be made scapegoats through suffering is entirely wrong. She is attempting to rally women, who have always had to bear suffering under this distorted system, to remain in deadlock so she can justify what she doing. And that is, leading others into unending struggle, focused on denominational politics rather than on spreading the"Good News" of the kingdom.
Jesus said, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Luke 12:32).
He didn't say anything about putting up with the subjugation of the oppressor as an intrinsic part of your faith practice. In fact he railed against such systems.

Many positive responses to

Many positive responses to the ill-advised investigation have appeared and been posted, but Sandra's essays are unquestionably the best and most articulate. They are also generously documented with affirmations from Sacred Scripture and the official documents of the Second Vatican Council.
How can one possibly not see the false motivation behind this investigation?

Sandra is truly a prophet in our time!

Peace always. Aristophilos

Dear Auger, Sandra compares

Dear Auger, Sandra compares the execution of Jesus Christ on the Cross to the investigation of religious orders in the United States! How Sacriligious!! This is not Prophecy!

Tom, Haven't we been taught

Tom, Haven't we been taught to imitate Christ?

Tom, we are all called to

Tom, we are all called to suffer with Jesus on his cross. We are told to bear our burdens as Jesus bore his. Our church teaches this idea. It's not sacriligious.

Dear earthen vessel again,

Dear earthen vessel again, Why are a series of questions from the Vatican the same as Jesus Christ dying on the Cross?? Seems I have missed something in my Catholic upbringing! Jesus Christ was OBEDIENT TO HIS FATHER EVEN UNTO DEATH!

Auger, Well said "Good and

Auger, Well said "Good and Faithful servant"

If the number of women

If the number of women religious were as great as they were two generations ago and the number of people who actually read the ncr was significant, Sister could infact incite a new Protestant Reformation and have a church named after her when she dies, because her diatribe is nothing more and nothing less than the division Martin Luther set in motionM However sister doesn't have the political establishment behind her as Martin Luther did in Germany. She only has aging.hippies singing the same old antu-authority, anti-institutional mantra. Itis sad indeed.

Bravo, I couldn't agree more!

Bravo, I couldn't agree more!

And nothing Martin said was

And nothing Martin said was right!

so on Jan. 08, 2010. You

so on Jan. 08, 2010.

You stated:

"If the number of women religious were as great as they were two generations ago and the number of people who actually read the ncr was significant, Sister could infact incite a new Protestant Reformation and have a church named after her when she dies, because her diatribe is nothing more and nothing less than the division Martin Luther set in motionM However sister doesn't have the political establishment behind her as Martin Luther did in Germany. She only has aging.hippies singing the same old antu-authority, anti-institutional mantra. Itis sad indeed."
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Apparently in your mind---quantity equals quality! You refer to the numbers of women religious today---as though they are members of the infantry being sent to the front lines. The Sisters have done their task---they have educated generations of Catholics who are more than capable of assuming leadership in today's Church, "so".

Do you have children, "so"? Are you encouraging them to become Sisters, Brothers, or Priests? The numbers of men in the seminaries are not high either. I know of some dioceses that have less than 12 seminarians in their whole program. Are people like you concerned? Or are you like most blind bigots, and are only capable of pointing your finger at women religious, like Sr. Sandra, who have been gifted with the fire of the Holy Spirit, and are indeed, prophets.

You cite the numbers who read NCR as not being 'significant'? Really? Are you able to cite the numbers who actually do? Do you know that other Catholic websites in America refer quite regularily to NCR--- such as "Commonwealmagazine", "U.S. Catholic" and "America" just to name a few. And folks in other English speaking countries also read NCR---and refer to it, include the web in their articles, so that others can read from NCR as well.

Sister Sandra---does not have to wait for some future age to achieve fame. Her articles here have been praised for their brillance, accuracy and insight, both in America and abroad. Nobody is going to do that with anything that you are writing, "so"---you have nothing to offer!

Sr. Sandra is not causing divisions in the Church. This is being caused by a revival of Vatican ultramontanists, neo-conservatives and reactionaries who believe that the best way to direct the Church into the future, is to look into their rearview mirror and drive backwards.

By the way, Martin Luther was correct in the vast majority of his contentions---The Catholic Church has/can indeed make mistakes. But it took centuries and centuries for the Catholic Church to grudgingly admit that ITS abuses brought about the split in the Western Church in the first place.

Of course, "so" while you are laughing at those whom you think are "aging hippies," they are laughting at people like you who can only parrot the predictable claptrap that your programers have drummed into you. You are immature children who need security, protection, and someone to tell you what to think, what to believe. You lack experience, wisdom and depth---you are nothing but the blah-colored paint in the Pope's closet.

The writer of this

The writer of this description
"while you are laughing at those whom you think are "aging hippies," they are laughting at people like you who can only parrot the predictable claptrap that your programers have drummed into you. You are immature children who need security, protection, and someone to tell you what to think, what to believe. You lack experience, wisdom and depth---you are nothing but the blah-colored paint in the Pope's closet."
is confusing a childish faith with a child like faith.
Jesus said we must be like little children.Little children Trust What must we trust? The promises of Christ.Jesus gave clear instructions we were to continue to obey the 10 commandments and to love our neighbour.He gave Peter the keys of His kingdom on earth and promised to send the Holy Spirit to ensure this spiritual kingdom would not fall into error.
We still have to think every day and pray for discernment because every individual faces different spiritual challenges and we each need the strength of sanctifying grace to help us on their journey.We become easy prey to the Prince of darkness if we do not have our wits about us so programmed robots as you would have us described won't last the distance.

Dear So: There are many

Dear So:
There are many answers to the big "if" in our lives. We need only to pary to The Holy Spirit to quide us to His solution on our "IF".

You completely lose me (and I

You completely lose me (and I suspect many others) when you insult. If you can develop a position without a personal attack it would be a greater contribution to the discussion and, clearly, a closer walk with that whom you claim to desire to follow. .

"...because her diatribe is

"...because her diatribe is nothing more and nothing less than the division Martin Luther set in motion." Obviously "so" you either haven't read Sr. Schneiders' articles or you have read them with bad faith. They are not "diatribe" nor divisive, they are shcolarly, founded in documents and reason. Argue her points sure but your tone and content lacks reason, appears simply emotional and destructive, surely not christian. And besides, if Martin Luther posted his "theses" today, he would likely be considered orthodox (oops, up to John Paul II, that is). Oh well, he would still be in good company.

Excellent, thank you

Excellent, thank you Sandra.
Neil NZ

Thank you sister, Over the

Thank you sister,
Over the last several years, I have struggled to define my place in the Church. I have been teaching theology in a high school for the last nine years and have increasingly found myself wondering whether the Church has a place for someone like me, someone who questions, doubts and is frustrated by the Church's teachings on homosexuality, the place of women the use of contraception, etc.. I had the opportunity to attend a University run by Ursuline sisters and learned there that ministry is about responding to people's needs not always giving them answers. Your article gave me hope that there is a place in the Church for those who don't always find themselves in agreement with the hierarchy. I appreciate your work and the work of many sisters who are a public reminder to all those who struggle that we are not alone.
God Bless

Dear Dave, You sound like a

Dear Dave,
You sound like a searcher and very interested after reading Sister Sandra excellent essays, so well done.
A word from the third world. For some of our friends who are searching and have a problem with age-old language about today’s faith I make bold to post here the translation of the introduction of a book review that I wrote last year

“Agenda Latinoamericana” and “Tiempo Axial” theological book collection have recently brought forth a very timely book published by Abya-Yala in Quito Ecuador. This is the Spanish translation from the German edition of the book by Roger Lenaers S.J., of the original in Flemish, now with the title in Spanish “A Different Christianity is Possible – Faith in the language of the modern world” (243 pages, US$7.00). The book lucked out beautifully arriving almost at the same time as NASA scientists announced finding traces of water on the planet Mars with all the tremendous possibilities that this scientific assertion implies for our terrestrial human race. Ever since the first human being set foot on the moon in 1969, almost some 40 years ago, whether we like it or not, the modern world has arrived and is here to stay. The title of the English version of the book is significant and even more enticing: “Nebuchadnezzar's Dream, or the End of a Medieval Catholic Church. “ (Gorgias Press, New Jersey, USA)

Roger Lenaers, the author writes:

“ An epochal change has come about. Human beings have discovered the autonomy of the cosmos and with it their own autonomy. With this the doctrine of faith, built as it has been on the axiom of “heteronomy” (the axiom of two worlds) has lost its validity. What was not lost was the message of faith experience through which Israel had passed and which reflected it’s this-worldly historical experience in contact with the deepest levels of reality culminating in the experience of God in the greatest of his sons, Jesus of Nazareth and continuing to be lived in the experiences which his disciples underwent with him. The expression of these experiences need no longer be transmitted in the language of heteronomy. For those who live in the modern world this transmission can only be valid within a “theonomy” (the axiom of one world) language frame.
This is the fundamental base for the necessity and justification of this book which comes down to being an essay or attempt to formulate the very same historical message but in today’s language.”

The author, with more than 50 years of church service in his curriculum, writes with a tremendous sense of pastoral compassion. The Hippocratic medical oath with its first law “Don’t harm the patient” seems to be the rule of thumb for Lenaers as he relates to his believing readers. He avoids inviting today’s “Christian young people” to accompany him, since for them the church has become insignificant and of little importance. Lenaers rather directs his attention to those middle aged people, who with a background of solid faith which they love are nevertheless constantly questioning and searching, trying to square up their faith with their thinking and acting in today’s modern world.

This is not just “Oh, another book” of general Roman Catholic theology, but rather a radically different cosmological vision, offered without footnotes or bibliography of famous authors, nor does it carry the “Nihil Obstat” or “Imprimatur” (Latin for “Nothing against it” and “Ok for getting published”) of ecclesial or religious authorities. To this effect the author simply writes: (pg.12) “… an idea hasn’t more truth or plausibility simply because it has been expressed previously.”, and then asks: “Why should an author be forced to explain things that he has been reading and working through over such a long period of time? [Lenaers is writing now well over 80 years of age]. Very often this working through has gone on in such an unconscious manner that not even the author himself remembers who gave him this idea or who planted the seed for a new way of understanding which seed later sprouted. That’s why this author prefers to recognize and thank here all those, -- living or dead, remembered or having drifted off into oblivion -- whose thoughts and sentiments this author has inherited and now interprets anew.”

We can walk down the road of the birth of modern scientific achievements, beginning with the German Johann Gutenberg who around 1450 invented printing from movable type, the Polish/Prussian astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus who “turned the world up-side-down,” the German Johann Kepler, the Italian Galilei Galileo, the English Isaac Newton, and of course the inevitable Portuguese Christopher Columbus “whom the new world discovered”. This was the great 16 th century enlightenment which laid the corner stone for the Scientific Evolution upon which Lenaers builds his visionary structure of today. During thousands of years up to this precise point in our history, just some 500 years ago, cultures, teachings, customs, myths and legends, politics and religions of all sorts with all their paraphernalia, were all constructed upon what at that time, was the very but very solid axiom of two worlds, the heteronomy.

1) this world “down here below”, flat, broad, ample, the recognized center of all creation and the human habitat, firmly planted upon sturdy columns with the vaulted sky or firmament above housing the sun, the moon and the stars, with clouds sprinkling their rain or snow;
2) the other world “way up there”, the reflection of this world down here below, the dwelling place of the gods and goddesses who also reflected human customs, good or evil, but always enjoying multifaceted powers much beyond those of human beings, “supernatural powers.”

Everybody believed in this “heteronomous” two world set up. But simply everybody, including Alexander the Great, Polybius, Plotinus, Homer, Plutarch, Socrates. Plato, Aristotle, Marcus Tullius Cicero and his Marcus Junius Brutus, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Pontius Pilate as also the Jews Joseph and Mary and their son Jesus of Nazareth, the women and the men apostles, women and men saints including Mary Magdalene, Peter, Paul and all the popes and bishops. Just everybody had their two feet solidly planted on this heteronomy world, including the women and men who inherited to us the Bible and the Koran, historians like Flavius Joseph, emperors like Constantine and Charlemagne, Chief Seattle and the indigenous nations to the north, Montezuma and the Aztecs, the Mayan nation, the Incas, the Guaraní, the great translators of the Bible like Saint Jerome and Martin Luther, the Holy Fathers of the Christian Church and the editors and participants in the great Ecumenical Councils of Christianity beginning with Nice in 325 up to that of Trent in 1560, as they drew up dogmas and hunted heresies, condemning and excluding with great authority.

As Lenaers affirms clearly, today’s modern world is autonomous.
Science speaks to us of the cosmos where our earthly planet is just an almost infinitely small, ephemeral part.. Some 150 years ago Charles Darwin began speaking about an “evolution” occurring in this cosmos, which apparently seems to get along quite well without overt support or interference from some other heteronymous world. Christians, convinced that God continues to exist, today reclaim their right to belong to a theonymous world where God does exist. Nevertheless the entire religious apparatus plus ecclesiastical language continues to speak about the presence of God in the ancient (prior to the year 1600) heteronymous mode, based on the presumption of the existence of another world, “heteronomy”.

The road down which Lenaers guides us leads through the theonymous world, focusing upon ancient dogmas under the theonymous lens and clothed in the language of our modern day. As we pointed out above, Roger leads us with an extraordinary pastoral compassion so as not to “break off a bent reed nor snuff out the wick of a flickering lamp.” (Matt. 12, 20)

For Lenaers (pg. 80) creation is the “self revelation” of God.

In the axiom of the heteronomous world, creation is seen as the painting of an artist or the statue of a sculptor, the masterly building of an architect. The umbilical cord is cut between the artist, the sculptor, the architect and the production so that they are separated, can be sold or even destroyed.

In the axiom of the theonymous world, creation is like the dance being executed by an artist, or the aria being sung by a tenor, or the solo being coaxed from the strings of a Stradivarius violin, or the delicate verbal patterns flowing from the mouth of a poet. Creative activity is self-revelation maintained in existence. Our cosmos is the limited “self-expression” of the inexhaustible being of God.

(pg. 103) “If there is anything that with every right can be called “the good news” (“Gospel”), it is that the original mystery and foundation of all being has been manifested in Jesus as God-with-us and not as God-with-Israel as had been done previously. This mystery is the driving energy directed towards the welfare and salvation of all humanity in its evolutionary development and not just towards a chosen people. This mystery is made known in Jesus as love, and that this love is not just any kind of sentiment, but rather a creative action. And finally those who follow Jesus will surely reach their salvation.”

Making use of an old German saying about his reflections, Lenaers tells us: “Who says A must also say B.” And so consistent with this logic, he leads the reader down the road of the message of faith in the theonymous idiom. Here we will just glance over several themes (from a total of 19) from the table of contents of his book:

3. Exit and abandonment of ancient ecclesial myths. The crisis of the Church as a consequence of the ancient axiom.

4. The Sacred Scriptures as source of faith. A book of testimonies, not of oracles.

5. The umbilical cord of our faith. The treasure of Tradition.

8. The corner stone of our doctrine of faith. Jesus Christ – man and God in one being?

10. An inverted pyramid: Mary, the Most Holy Virgin Mother of God.

11. Believe that Jesus arose from the dead? Or believe that he lives?

12, Whole wheat bread instead of chocolate candies. Is there life after death?

13. The world of signs. The sacraments as ritual observances.

18, To whom will we turn? The prayer of petition, intercession and listening.

19, A new formulation of an ancient creedal symbol.

I would like to tie up the review of this highly recommendable book on a very personal note. In my recent electronic correspondence with the author, Roger Lenaers, he confessed to me his deep sorrow as he recognized that in his native Flanders, where at one time the “Catholic Religion” flourished, today it is seen as insignificant by the majority of the new generation. I had confided to him my own personal experience of 80+ years, that in my immediate family, one brother and four sisters, all of whom were brought up as strictly practicing Roman Catholics In the USA between the years 1920 and 1950, today of 37 grandchildren of our very Catholic parents at the most 4 still “practice” the Catholic Religion. I look upon this book of Lenaers as a “life saver” for many of us who still cherish with a deep love our Catholic faith and have the firm desire to hang on to it as the most precious gift we have received, to maintain it with love, respect and that rational vision that our modern world of today expects of us.

Apart from the “immoral price” the US editors are charging (the words to me by the author, the 85 year old Austrian Jesuit priest) the book is well worth reading, re-reading and reading again. It puts into modern language for us young catholic believers of today (I am only 82 years old) the truths we learned when youngsters and often have not had the opportunity or perhaps have not taken the time and effort to frame into our modern language. Read it and you’ll understand better the reasons that lead us to say “I believe in Jesus” and celebrate in community with the joy of the Spirit and feel at home in our world of today

Justinian Liebl
Managua, Nicaragua
Sept. 2, 2008

Dear David,
A word from the third world. For some of our friends who are searching and have a problem with age-old language about today’s faith I make bold to post here the translation of the introduction of a book review that I wrote last year.

“Agenda Latinoamericana” and “Tiempo Axial” theological book collection have recently brought forth a very timely book published by Abya-Yala in Quito Ecuador. This is the Spanish translation from the German edition of the book by Roger Lenaers S.J., of the original in Flemish, now with the title in Spanish “A Different Christianity is Possible – Faith in the language of the modern world” (243 pages, US$7.00). The book lucked out beautifully arriving almost at the same time as NASA scientists announced finding traces of water on the planet Mars with all the tremendous possibilities that this scientific assertion implies for our terrestrial human race. Ever since the first human being set foot on the moon in 1969, now some 40 years ago, whether we like it or not, the modern world has arrived and is here to stay. The title of the English version of the book is significant and even more enticing: “Nebuchadnezzar's Dream, or the End of a Medieval Catholic Church. “ (Gorgias Press, New Jersey, USA)

Apart from the “immoral price” the US editors are charging (the words to me by the author, the 85 year old Austrian Jesuit priest) the book is well worth reading, re-reading and reading again. It puts into modern language for us young catholic believers of today (I am only 82 years old) the truths we learned when youngsters and often have not had the opportunity or perhaps have not taken the time and effort to frame into our modern language. Read it and you’ll understand better the reasons that lead us to say “I believe in Jesus” and celebrate in community with the joy of the Spirit and feel at home in our world of today

If you are sincerely interested in this book covering your existential searching on our RCC faith today please contact me at: «justliebl.yahoo.com»

Justiniano de Managua

Sorry David, my current

Sorry David, my current e-mail is «justliebl@gmail.com» My yahoo mail has recently been hacked.

Justiniano de Managua

I haven't yet had the time to

I haven't yet had the time to read or reflect on all five of your essays, Sr. Sandra. The one I read was sufficient to give cheer and buoy my hope as well as tuck you and your need for continued strength into my prayers even deeper than you've been over these months. I've just finished a book titled "La's Orchestra Saves the World" by Alexander McCall Smith. Its topic has nothing to do with issue(s)on which you've enlightened us throughout 2009 and now in 2010. However, both messages are similar: getting at the essentials, the fundamentals shaping human lives in travail is the only thing truly worth striving for, standing up for. I particularly like the stress you put on solidarity in spirituality and identity. As some poet once said, "... may your tribe increase."

It is the women religious

It is the women religious like Sandra Schneiders who have lived the public life of Christ in word and deed since Vatican II.

Now they enter into His Gethsemani experience and His Passion, Death and Resurrection.

"Pilate then summoned the chief priests and the leading men and the people. 'You brought this man before me' he said 'as a political agitator. Now I have gone into the matter myself in your presence and found no case against the man in respect of all the charges you bring against him. ·Nor has Herod either, since he has sent him back to us. As you can see, the man has done nothing that deserves death, so I shall have him flogged and then let him go. But as one man they howled, 'Away with him! Give us Barabbas!' .(This man had been thrown into prison for causing a riot in the city and for murder.)

"Pilate was anxious to set Jesus free and addressed them again, but they shouted back, 'Crucify him! Crucify him!' ·And for the third time" he spoke to them, 'Why? What harm has this man done? I have found no case against him that deserves death, so I shall have him punished and then let him go.'! ·But they kept on shouting at the top of their voices, demanding that he should be crucified. And their shouts were growing louder.

"Pilate then gave his verdict: their demand was to be granted. ·He released the man they asked for, who had been imprisoned for rioting and murder, and handed Jesus over to them to deal with as they pleased. " (Luke 22:13-25)

Give Us "Barabbas" - The Son

Give Us "Barabbas" - The Son of the Father:
Do you suppose the crowd was misunderstood? Or, was the crowd playing out the final act in the sacrificed lamb/scapegoat scenario? What Jesus did was work to end the system of scapegoating, but the church has re-instituted it by making women scapegoats.
But Sr. Sandra doesn't recognize this and rallies women and especially women religious to remain in the position of the scapegoat.
Of course, this works wonderfully for the all-male hierarchy, having such a huge workforce willing to promote their agenda, especially when these women gain prominence in church institutions. History repeats itself as long as women are willing to lead others to the slaughter and are revered in their special role as "religious" for doing so.

How can it be that these

How can it be that these women religious, the mature, prayerful, educated women religious could complain so very much about the Vatican asking them a few questions? No, the Vatican cannot steal their land. No, the Vatican cannot steal their money. Any first-year student in Canon Law can tell you that. If the Sisters would have simply answered the questions this would all be over and the Vatican Bureaucracy would have their data. We wouldn't be wasting a breath on it today. I suspect that some of these religious were just waiting for some excuse to become victims and thus be in a position to cry bloody murder against the hierarchy they disagree with theologically. I'm not saying some of the sisters don't have a point, but I don't think this is the way to make it. It comes off as very petty.

Dear Ray Carl, Did you evn

Dear Ray Carl,

Did you evn read these essays? If you did, why would you be asking why???

"If the Sisters would have

"If the Sisters would have simply answered the questions this would all be over and the Vatican Bureaucracy would have their data." This is what "Ray Carl", whomever that is, writes. "Data"? Even though there is no blatant vulgarity or facile hatred apparant, the assumption that these women are recalcitrant and that "data" is what is sought or that a benign "census" is the intention is a travesty of commentary honesty.

One can ignore the malignancy of outright bigotry as obvious or the irreconcilability of blatant misogyny,or the sickness of sanctimonious confusion of stupidity for piety but these words are like the lard words that allow the horridly obese concepts of hate to slide through the filters of decency. History is full of them - "if only the '----' kept to their place...". Even in this corner of virtual irrelevancy they should be addressed.

Ray Carl on Jan. 08,

Ray Carl on Jan. 08, 2010.

You stated:

"How can it be that these women religious, the mature, prayerful, educated women religious could complain so very much about the Vatican asking them a few questions? No, the Vatican cannot steal their land. No, the Vatican cannot steal their money. Any first-year student in Canon Law can tell you that. If the Sisters would have simply answered the questions this would all be over and the Vatican Bureaucracy would have their data. We wouldn't be wasting a breath on it today. I suspect that some of these religious were just waiting for some excuse to become victims and thus be in a position to cry bloody murder against the hierarchy they disagree with theologically. I'm not saying some of the sisters don't have a point, but I don't think this is the way to make it. It comes off as very petty."
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To simply comply---to continue to cave into the Vatican Bureaucracy---is to continue to "enable" a system that is power-hungry, and demeaning. It would be like a battered-wife giving in to an abusing husband and say, "Oh, this was all my fault--that he is like this."

You were correct to name the Vatican a bureaucracy. It is a clanky, out-moded, out-dated system that is incapable of understanding, nevermind guiding people of today. And Sr. Sandra and others are correct in confronting it.

Little Bear, you really do

Little Bear, you really do your homework...Gold Star

Little Bear is indeed a

Little Bear is indeed a bright star. God's straight A student!!!!!!

Land and money?? The sisters

Land and money?? The sisters are selling their land and paying out all their money to fund retirements and old age, and giving away the rest to needy organizations. Do you really think sisters care about material things?

The reality is that the sisters had to act en masse. The LCWR member communities either had to all answer the questions or all refuse. Regardless of which they chose, acting as a group will mean that any action by the Vatican will affect them all. If the Vatican were to find the answers faulty, or the refusal to answer the questions at fault, how can the Vatican possibly respond?

If the Vatican finds the communities at fault, then the bishops would be obligated to "do" something (impossible given the long relationships involved) OR expel each of the communities from their dioceses. Sure the sisters would keep their land/money, what little is left, but if they continued to "be" sisters, then they would be at risk for excommunication. Do you see why this is so ridiculous? Vatican II is more than 40 years ago. Sisters who have been living their entire lives in a way that was okay until now are going to be forced out? I don't think so. This is so illogical, and would play so badly to American Catholics that it's not worth it.

The reality is that the Vatican can do nothing now that the LCWR has acted in unity. Anything the Vatican does will be against all the LCWR and any punitive action will fracture the American Catholic church. With European Catholics lukewarm at best, Benedict cannot afford to alienate the American church or fracture it more than it already is.

What will likely happen, given that Benedict's hands are tied now with the block action of the LCWR, is that a couple of communities of sisters will be singled out and sacrificed as "punishment," and all this will go away. The tragedy will be the group that gets singled out. But Benedict cannot afford to act against the entire LCWR.

I congratulate the LCWR on their ability to stand up for the perfectly acceptable vision of religious life over the past 40 years, and unintentionally highlight the failure of the Vatican to divert attention from the problem of abuse by priests and the failure of bishops to act.

As a teacher of Religious

As a teacher of Religious Education in a Catholic institute in UK I too have found myself in a 'void' in recent years but the gospel-inspired message of people like Sandra has given me courage and strength in the knowledge that I am not alone, that there is hope and that my discomfort with the institutional church is actually a sign of maturity and growth rather than something to beat myself up over

Thank you so much, Sr.

Thank you so much, Sr. Sandra, for articulating for us what I have come to realize on my own through many years of prayer, the intense study of who Jesus was, and his true message. The issues, as always, are clear when articulated by you, and I now have greater understanding. As you said, the male power structure was not invented by nor restricted to the church but it has overshadowed my life in all areas and has left me with a lifelong struggle to come to terms with it while keeping my faith strong. Thank you so much for all your essays and comments. You are a breath of fresh air speaking words that need to be spoken.

It seemed so clear to me in

It seemed so clear to me in reading most of these replies which ones were from men, and which ones from women. Patriarchy is clear even if most men don't see it.
I applaud Sandra Schneiders' articles. Sandra, you have done us a great services in being so direct and so clear. Bless you for all the travail you have done. You will long be remembered and may the inspiration we received bear much fruit. Personally, it gives me much courage and determination to follow Jesus.

Ed Gleason asked: When will

Ed Gleason asked: When will the laity in the pews say enough?
My letters to Rome are never answered. I guess we say "enough" by walking away from the church. However I hope to stay as a Cafeteria Catholic - Jesus came to free us!

Thank you very sincerely, Sr.

Thank you very sincerely, Sr. Sandra, for a most inspiring series of essays. May God bless you, and keep you strong of heart for others.

Sr. Sandra, we are one with

Sr. Sandra, we are one with you as you continue to inspire many Religious and lay to stand as beloved sons and daughters of God. No longer are we considered second class citizens but as equals with all our brothers and sisters. Thank you so much for your profound insights. Though I belong to a contemplative group, my prayers are for you and for our sisters in the active ministry. May you continue to be our modern prophet.

Thank you so much Sr. Sandra

Thank you so much Sr. Sandra for your profound insight. You have given us new way of looking at our role in the Church, as daughters and sons of God, no longer considered as second class citizen. Since the time I heard of the investigation, you have been in my prayers. As a member of a contemplative group, I am one with you in my heart and prayer as you lead the people with your deep insight of the challenging role of Ministerial Religious. I admire your courage, keep up!

I just read through the

I just read through the Visitation website; http://apostolicvisitation.org/en/index.html Unless I missed something nothing I read would make me paranoid as Schneider makes her readers believe. I spoke to a few religious this week and they all said, "we have nothing to hide and we look forward to share our life with the visitors. If you have something to hide and you fear you become threatened." Interesting!

I hope the readers of these essays realize that this is one sister's perception of the church and certainly not the majority of religious. An angry religious? Possibly. As I stated there are many errors in her facts which most lay women and men would not detect.

I am thankful that so many have read the essays and have shared their thoughts.

Dear Sister Sandra, Thank you

Dear Sister Sandra,
Thank you for giving us hope by way of your exquisite theological reflection. Yes, many of us are questioning our vowed dedication to Religious Life at this moment in time, but the discerned call to follow Jesus supercedes our questioning and doubts. Both Religious Women and our lay counterparts question and hope that our dedication to the cause of Christ will continue to bear fruit as we continue our varied ministries for the sake of the mission.
May God continue to bless you for your courage, your brilliance, your dedication to the cause of Christ in 2010 and beyond.

I wish I were like Sr.Sandra

I wish I were like Sr.Sandra and could contain my anger. Thank God Jesus turned the tables over on the money changers. Even Jesus had this anger I feel. If Sr. Sandra feels that anger, her deep understanding and living of scripture has enabled her to let it pass and focus cooly on the issue at hand. The Reign of God, the peace and love and healing of Jesus Christ. We can take crucifixion at the hands of Pilate, but we expect so much more of the Pope, the curia and the Vatican. Yet it is obvious that an evil has taken over the Vatican and those evil tentacles come out in the form of the investigation of the sisters and the suppression of child abuse stories and the protection of abusers. We have no vocations because young people can see these evil tentacles. Who in their right mind would become a priest or a nun to be ruled by the evil in the church? There needs to be a reformation in Rome. This evil in the Church must be stopped. It has to be stopped by priests and nuns because it cannot be stopped by the laity. (VOTF tried!) Sr. Sandra is the light at the end of the tunnel. The first sign that prophets are ready to rise up in the ranks of priests and nuns to clean out the vipers nest in Rome. All of these prophets will pay a very painful price, and Sr. Sandra reminds me of Jesus warning his apostles of their own crucifixion ahead. As St. Teresa wrote "The reason You have so few friends is because You treat them so shabbily." Jesus never promised a rose garden to his disciples. But he did promise they would overcome all evil and be victorious in the end. There is always a resurrection. This is my prayer for the good nuns. With a spiritual mother like Sr. Sandra I know they will be victorious over this evil. Our church is split between Peter and John, between Martha and Mary and the good nuns have chosen the way of the beloved disciple and the contemplative. Thank God. They are the only reason I remain Catholic. God bless them always. They are the Ark that carries Jesus to us from generation to generation. (The Ark is carried by the prophets who are always crucified and later declared saints.)

Tom we wpould be better to

Tom we wpould be better to put our trust in Our Blessed Mother as a spiritual mother than Sister Scgneider who is a fallible human being

This is classic theology for

This is classic theology for its depth of meaning, lucidity, brevity and completeness. Should be translated in all languages spoken at the Vatican! I’m afraid it won’t be readily read nor acted upon as they have so much at stack and so much counter-current. However it gives hope and encouragement to people of goodwill, having the good of the Church at heart. Sr. Sandra has given clear expression to the difficulties and solutions of the impasse between the People of God and the hierarchy. The ‘sign of the times’ calls for prophetic intervention but when was it last that ‘a prophet has been welcomed in his land’? Dear Sr. Sandra if and when the axe will fall, know that you are admired by many for the great gift that God has given you in intellect and courage

Sr Sandra, thank you for this

Sr Sandra, thank you for this series. I had discovered your work only months before your e-mail about the Apostolic Visitation (AV) was published by NCR (I continue to admire your decision to allow publication of that private, informal and seemingly extemporaneous message once it had been shared beyond your own personal mailing list). Your published pieces that followed, here and elsewhere, were disconcerting to me.
I consistently experienced your work as a gambit for my support, rather than an exposition of your thinking which would assist me in developing my own understanding and critical assessment of what was happening. Your language and the analogies you offered (the "grand jury" and "not McDonald's" pieces in particular) seemed guaranteed to incite progressive American sentiment even as they failed to illuminate, for me, the development of your thinking and position. That illumination is, for me, the precondition for discerning whether I can support such challenging and powerful beliefs and actions, and I often felt you and other sisters wrote, between the lines, "just trust us".
Additionally, I struggled consistently with the "We" of many of your published pieces in response to the AV. I am not refering your stylistically academic "We". I am speaking here of the "We" that referenced "women Religious" and implied a legitimate claim to the authority of one asked to speak as and for "We, women Religious". I struggled with and was uncomfortable with the co-mingling of those distinct but undistinguished "We" identities/voices. Questions of authenticity, authority, respect for the reader's full agency plagued my thinking as I read those pieces.
In the work of such a distinguished feminist scholar who is also a Religious, all of this troubled me. Could these qualities in your published responses to the AV be indicative of comfort with employing "campaign energy"? Comfortable with the influence of an ambiguous (and, thus, potentially misappropriated and opaque) "We" when the authority of "I" is authentic and ...and, thus, invites engagement. Comfortable exhorting others to trust your understanding rather than inviting them to develop their own best understanding as they study and interact critically with the path and process that led to your best thinking? In the reactivity I read in those pieces, where was the grounding and calming influence of a life consecrated to God?
I agree, in substance, with you and many progressive Sisters in your "take" on "the signs of the times" more often than not (the AV remaining a notable exception). Nonetheless, the possibility that your work may well be prohetic in substance has not counterbalanced, for me, a genuine and frank dislike of the relational dynamics modelled by your published responses to the Apostolic Visitation.
I can find opportunities for those dynamics almost anywhere in American culture. And those qualities in your published responses led me to ask: might life consecrated to God through community with progressive women religious NOT be, in its essence, a perpetual and profoundly difficult but joyful recalibration of self and community toward different relational dynamics even under the deepest pressure, even when our particular and general human "everything" seems to be at stake?
I am still reading the complete series through a second time and, thus, am just beginning to discern the content. I am gleaning insights to some of my most basic and persistent questions about your position, etc.
Right now I want to say that I think the series is gorgeous.
I begin to think I see in this series a model for the relational dynamics I hope to grow into in my own life, the model I sought when I first began reading your written-for-publication responses to the AV. Thank you.
Jean Brookbank

While certain parts of this

While certain parts of this essay were excellent, Sister's premise about patriarchy as the root of all evil was both simplistic and reductionistic, her use of scripture was fundamentalist, and her argument was circular (because all things male are evil, all things female are good.) She consistently ignores the complexity of a history afflicted by sin, male and female, and does the kind of violence to scripture that, in her own words, can only be described as patriarchical. Other than that, she makes a compelling case for the future of religious life.

"Sister's premise about

"Sister's premise about patriarchy as the root of all evil was both simplistic and reductionistic,her use of scripture was fundamentalist, and her argument was circular (because all things male are evil...",RobertG writes.

Dear RobertG: Interesting turn of phrase and observations. I would refer you to the "Letter to the bishops of the catholic church on the collaboration of men and women in the church and in the world". This document authored by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger and promulgated with the blessing of Pope John Paul II merits your judgment more so than does Sr. Schneiders' essays. In fact Ratzinger states that men n-e-e-d the mitigating dimension of women to protect them (the male hierarchy and men in general) from their tendency towards violence in their naturally ordered position of authority (again, in the church and in the world). This is "patriarchy" at its fullest. He describes the nature of women (in the church and in the world) as subservient based upon "fundamentalist" interpretation of scripture; bad logic: radical feminism is man-hating, therefore feminism is bad. Patriarchy which excludes women is "b-a-d"; patriarchy which "punishes" women for demanding equality and respect and "investigates" and "visits" in unctious duplicity is "evil". Given that it originates with the institutional patriarchy...well.

Apparently the good sister

Apparently the good sister never, ever read Lumen Gentium; and if she did, her understanding is gravely impaired. Would you please read and ponder the *whole* document, Chapter III included?

Of course, the reality is that she knows all too well what the Catholic Church is: this amusing piece of fraudulence is really a thin veil to protect herself and her group from a visit - absolutely deserved - by the legitimate authority.

I find always disturbing this old hippie crap about self-appointed "prophetic ministry", as opposed to the "bad institution" - but the pathetic whining finale boasting "persecution and suffering, and sometimes even crucifixion" is really amazing.

I agree so much with Ed

I agree so much with Ed Gleason's comments. I think NCR should no longer accept "anonymous" comments. People feel totally uninhibited when they don't need to sign their name to something they write and so we read all the ignorant, hate-filled comments posted by those who do not like what Sr. Sandra has to say, or don't understand the theology behind what she is saying, and worst of all, don't know that they don't know. There seems to be a growing number of the laity who are quite ignorant of the basic tenets of our faith, who are fearful of anything they don't understand and who see Vatican II as the reason for everything "wrong" with the church. By extention, this now also includes women religious. We are fast becoming a partisan, polarized church. When I read these blogs, I wonder what Jesus would think? And what can we do to heal this great wound in the Body of Christ?

As someone who has been very

As someone who has been very critical of progressive sisters and their boycott of this visitation, I found Sr. Sandra's essays compelling, albeit a bit overstretched. We all like to think of ourselves as martyers. It's called the Catholic guilt, but the bottom line is - how can apostolic communities remain in communion with the church if they refuse to obey the Pope and his representatives. While any of us can create theologies and even define new minsitries, ultimately, the Pope has the final say so on what is of God and what is not regardless what our views and experiences are.

I am not sure if refusing to answer some questions and refusing to allow the visitors in the "parlors" are going to help their dialoque with the hierarchy of the church. It would seem they could have had a stronger impact allowing both to take place with a response afterwards not before.

You know, the bottom line is this - every institution has to safeguard its authority structure and now that these sisters have questioned the Pope's authority to ask questions and to appoint vistors to these convents, they in essence have challenged the Pope's authority to lead the church.

It's interesting when you re-read Luther. He thought of himself as a devout Catholic to very day he died, but in the long run, it took almost 500 years for the church to recognize his positive contributions to church renewal.

We can not expect any instiution, especially the Roman Catholic Church, to accept Sister's proposals about religious life. The church takes centuries to change and by daring the Pope to do something, they might have pushed back authentic reform back several centuries. After all, the Pope would not being doing his job unless he backed up Cardinal Rode's authroity to conduct this visitation.

More so, I am not sure how much fruit this attitude will have upon the church. It seems to me that Sr. Sandra is preparing the way to justify a schism and schisms are never good for the church.

Faith, Evolution &

Faith, Evolution & Justification: The Roman Catholic Church and subscribing Lutheran Churches have articulated a common understanding of justification by God’s grace through faith in Christ. In their respective histories their churches have come to new insights. In the New Testament, righteousness and justification are given diverse treatments; chief among these is the justification of sinful human beings by God’s grace through faith (Rom 3: 23-25) which came in prominence in the Reformation period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Declaration_on_the_Doctrine_of_Justif...

The correlation of justification and evolution is undeveloped. Certain observations can be made that point to convergences of thinking. In Christian belief ultimate justification for everyone derives from the life and death of Jesus Christ in submission to the divine plan (also reflected in nature’s patterns). The divine plan requires not just the assent of faith but also the committed living of what is assented to. Even as Jesus willingly gave his life, so is willingness assented to in righteous, justified living. If nature’s pattern corresponds to the divine plan, justification in the order of nature also is reflected in nature’s pattern, what is “symbiosis.”

The essential continuity of life evolved "from within" the cosmic continuum is an insight more consistent with nature’s pattern and God’s plan than belief that ignores evolution, whether intentionally or unintentionally. In evolution, the consistency and continuity of symbiotic nature better correspond with the unitary understanding of the Cosmic Christ. Like Jesus, The Christ, and in imitation of his living and giving, we are justified. In the altruism of expending our lives “for other” we are bonded in love, affectively and effectively, with the anointing of the Cosmic Christ, and, we participate in spirit and in substance in divine purposes for life, which correspond to the common good.

As every person is a member of the One Body of the Cosmic Christ, each shares in and contributes to the justification of the One Body in faith and assent. The mindfulness of faith and assent is a free determination of the individual as to the manner of faith understanding and committed assent. Truth is that grace received is commensurate with grace conferred on others in altruistic love. Jesus is the clarified, justified exemplar of self-giving in service to others.

In Jesus the Cosmic Christ is the revelation of God’s plan, consistent with nature’s symbiotic pattern. The body of the Cosmic Christ is self-reflective humankind, ascendant in the awareness of divine grace and openness conferred by birth on every person. Scripture expresses divine pleasure in creation, which God pronounces to be “good?” Goodness is conveyed as the divine inheritance of the Cosmic Christ.

Life and evolution are a seamless fabric; they co-identify with each other. What can be said of one can be said of the other by analogy. We are life, evolution is life; we are conscious, evolution is conscious; we are justified by evolution, evolution is justified by us; we are justified by faith, evolution is justified by faith. If humankind is in the order of Nature’s Pattern and God’s Plan, then evolution is in Nature’s Pattern and God’s Plan.

Ongoing justification is essentially the ongoing “evolution of symbiosis.” If right questions are asked, right answers can be found. Justification is an interpersonal process of probing, testing, proving and consenting to appropriate answers. The work of justification is the work of faith and “science” (scientia: knowledge). The grounds from which science proceeds are proven convictions (faith) established by experience and reflection.

Faith is not the divergent creeds of religious ideologies (generally identified as “religion”), but is the conviction of truth based on deliberate intuitions into natural experiences. The learning process of science is an ongoing challenge and process of intelligence, reason, faith, which open insights into nature’s character and working; in other words, it opens us up to understanding ourselves.

The continuity of evolution, symbiosis, faith and justification, is the essential continuity of cosmic/ Earth-life, the essential matrix in which humankind and life’s ecological network indwell together. Inescapably, the continuity of evolution enjoins all life, all substance/ energy, by the same laws that govern cosmic wave/ particle dynamics. Each new life is an original optic fiber in the continuity link of the past, the present and the future.

Justified living is the consciousness of self-reflection that intentionally weaves together words, insights and purpose; consciousness is the illumined process of justified reason; conscience is the justified choice of actions that serve interpersonal relationships and interests of common sustainability.

If religious/ political prejudice misdirects faith and reason in their joined work, i.e., in the functioning of mutuality, complementarity and subsidiarity, people and civilizations are alienated and handicapped from ever achieving the full measure of human potential. The cultural alienation of women as patterned in Western Christianity has reached a zenith of intolerance that can no longer be ignored because of the global injustices caused by it. Only the women of the world can bring to bear the insights needed to challenge the status quo of “religious” alienation. We are witnessing here a hopeful beginning.

Informed assent to the goodness of creation is assent of faith in “The Christ”, cosmic and personal; but it is more than assent, it is the intentional commitment of personal living to God's Plan and nature’s pattern of essential symbiosis. Life’s symbiotic trajectory provides for physical diminishment and death as one is expended in the altruism of prospering others in the Mystical Body of the Cosmic Christ. As members of the One Body, the One Christ, each shares in the justification of the One Body, in faith expending self in will, whit and word.

The “justification of faith doctrine” is deepened in understanding the cosmic pattern of evolution and human conformity to God’s Plan and nature’s pattern of intensional/ intentional symbiosis. Justified living is an obligation not only of people belonging to Religious Communities rather it is the divine expectation that pertains to every person. Justification is the process that harmonizes the human with the divine, religion with civility.

http://www.justifiedliving.gather.com/nature
http://www.secondenlightenment.org/The%20Evolution%20of%20Symbiosis.pdf

I am energized and uplifted

I am energized and uplifted after reading Sandra's writings. I feel that a woman's voice and the conviction of women religious to live Gospel has been brought to the light of day. May we work to continue these conversations, share these articles and enter into open and prayerful dialogue to continue to build up the Body of Christ.

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