Church takes Gospel values to public debate

Feb. 01, 2010
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VATICAN CITY -- Catholic teaching and the truths of the Gospel have a right to be heard in public debate, especially in a country where so many people claim to be Christian, Pope Benedict XVI told the bishops of England and Wales.

However, the church must recognize dissent within its own ranks and not accept it as being part of a balanced discussion, he said Feb. 1 in an address to bishops who were making their "ad limina" visits.

The meeting with the bishops, who were at the Vatican to report on the status of their dioceses, took place as Pope Benedict prepares to visit Great Britain in September.

Referring to the Equality Bill under debate in Britain's Parliament, the pope said some legislation designed to guarantee equal opportunity for all people actually would impose "unjust limitations on the freedom of religious communities to act in accordance with their beliefs."

Catholic bishops have said the bill means churches could be sued by anyone who was turned away as a candidate for the priesthood on grounds of gender or sexual lifestyle.

A recent vote in Britain's House of Lords, however, supported an amendment that protected the existing rights of churches to insist that clergy and high-profile lay employees live in a manner consistent with Christian moral teaching.

Pope Benedict urged the bishops to continue defending church teaching in the public realm, adding that they have a right "to participate in national debate through respectful dialogue with other elements in society."

By being vocal participants in public discussion, the bishops are maintaining Britain's long-standing tradition of freedom of expression and are giving voice to the similar beliefs held by many people who are unable to express them, he said.

"When so many of the population claim to be Christian, how could anyone dispute the Gospel's right to be heard?" the pope asked.

"Fidelity to the Gospel in no way restricts the freedom of others -- on the contrary, it serves their freedom by offering them the truth," he said.

To bring a coherent, convincing message to the people, the church must ensure the Catholic community speaks with one voice, he added.

In a culture that encourages the expression of a wide variety of opinions, the pope said, "it is important to recognize dissent for what it is, and not to mistake it for a mature contribution to a balanced and wide-ranging debate."

The bishops must prepare the laity to convey church teaching accurately and comprehensively, he said.

Pope Benedict also asked the bishops "to be generous in implementing the provisions" of his recent apostolic constitution, which established a special structure for Anglicans who want to be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church while preserving aspects of their Anglican spiritual and liturgical heritage.

He asked the bishops to assist such groups in their desire for full communion, saying that if they were warmly and openly welcomed, they "would be a blessing for the entire church."

The pope also said his upcoming visit to Great Britain would be an opportunity to witness firsthand the "many signs of living faith and devotion" among Catholics and to help them strengthen and confirm their faith.

Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster, president of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of England and Wales, told the pope that his visit would offer encouragement not only to Catholics, "but to all our fellow citizens."

"We are confident that your presence and teaching, with its consistent and reasoned appeal to all people, will be warmly received," he said.

The archbishop also said the beatification of Cardinal John Henry Newman "is, we trust, the eagerly anticipated climax of your proposed visit."

The Vatican has not officially announced the dates or cities the pope will visit in Great Britain in September, but the pope is expected to preside over the beatification of the influential 19th-century theologian and former Anglican.

In his address to the British bishops, the pope said Cardinal Newman was an outstanding example of someone who was faithful to truth even at high personal cost.

"Great writers and communicators of his stature and integrity are needed in the church today, and it is my hope that devotion to him will inspire many to follow in his footsteps," the pope said.

In an interview with the Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, Jan. 31, Archbishop Nichols said the pope's "brief, but effective" trip to Britain would concentrate on the role of faith in a secular, democratic society.

He said the British government and Queen Elizabeth II, the supreme governor of the Anglican Church of England, were "extremely in favor of this visit" and that church leaders were working closely with government ministers and officials to flesh out the details of the papal itinerary.

During a press conference with journalists after the papal audience, Archbishop Nichols said the pope confirmed he was going to Scotland as part of the trip.

The archbishop said the pope will also be meeting with Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury, England, and that the meeting would play "a prominent part of the (papal) visit."

However, he said, it was not yet decided if the meeting would take place in Canterbury or elsewhere.

Concerning the apostolic constitution, the archbishop told the Vatican newspaper that it was still not clear how many Anglican communities around the world were going to take advantage of the new provision.

But, he said some members of the Church of England planned to make their response to the Vatican provision public on Feb. 22, the feast of the Chair of St. Peter, which symbolizes the authority and unique ministry of the pope.

The Gospel truth is equality.

The Gospel truth is equality. Women too, ordained is the Gospel truth, the "inconvenient truth" to the Pope as exampled and demonstrated by Jesus.

Jesus made women too, married women, Apostles too. I sinerely hope the Pope can be converted to the true Gospel truth of equality of genders.

RATZINGER and his reactionary

RATZINGER and his reactionary shills can defend their version of "church teaching" until the cows come home but he and his ilk are profoundly wrong on the issues of women's ordination, human sexuality in regards to their teachings on birth control and homosexuality and on collegiality. Benedict has moved backwards in time and his thinking reflects a Church that once existed but no longer holds relevant thinking and embraces the teachings of the Second Vatican Council. It is a Church in decay and the more Benedict acts in this direction, all the faster the implosion of the Latin Rite Church of Rome. These issues are but a few of the serious flaws and deadly policies that do not reflect a Catholic and Universal Church of Jesus Christ.

A person doesn't need a

A person doesn't need a Catholic Confirmation certification to clean the toilets or audit the books at any Catholic institution -- but with the Fortress Catholicism advocated by Rome, that seems to be in the near future, unless this Equality Act was in place.

Are the Bishops afraid that they won't be able to show why the Church's discriminatory behavior would be justifiable?
Then maybe they are not actually following His command -- "Do unto others as I have done towards you..."

HOMOPHOBIA and HATRED are NOT

HOMOPHOBIA and HATRED are NOT Gospel values:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/anger-after-pope-slams-un...
And if this dumb pope believes differently, then he should put his institutionalized bigotry to the test and publicly ask ALL gay cardinals, archbishops, bishops and priests to RESIGN tomorrow.

"The pope also said his

"The pope also said his upcoming visit to Great Britain would be an opportunity to witness firsthand the "many signs of living faith and devotion" among Catholics and to help them strengthen and confirm their faith."

This visit is even more ludicrous in light of the fact that it heralds the beatification of gay -but probably celibate-John Henry Cardinal Newman.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/04/catholicism.gayrights

But there are TWO sides to every coin:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/a...

Hit 'em where it hurts the

Hit 'em where it hurts the most ... in the wallet. If women were to withhold contributions, stop going to or doing for the church, you might be very surprised at how quickly the Vatican thinking would change.

If all women stopped donating

If all women stopped donating to my parish, the pastor could fire the woman "pastoral associate"! Great advice. I will help you spread the word.

"Hit 'em where it hurts the

"Hit 'em where it hurts the most ... in the wallet."
The Brits are working on it as we speak:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2010/02/make_the_pope_pay_campaign.html

Memo to Joseph Ratzinger:
20 MILLION POUNDS STERLING for a 4 day visit?
Fasten your seatbelt, you're in for a BUMPY ride!
Or better yet, STAY HOME and send that money to victims of your church in Ireland and Germany.

Dishonest Pope! The Pope does

Dishonest Pope!

The Pope does not allow "public debate" about his Catholic teachings. He will not allow debate about women ordination. He has forbidden discussion about women as priests. No public debate with this miscreant as pope.

There is NO "balanced discussion" when he forbids dissenting opinions of what is Catholic teachings and what is Gospel Truth. There is NO debate when the pope will not allow different ideas to be expressed.

Pathetic, arrogant bullying and intolerance is no reflection of the faith. Hypocrisy and diabolical dishonesty flourish in the statements and behavior of Pope Benedict XVI.

According to the CNS story,

According to the CNS story, Pope Benedict said to British bishops:

"To bring a coherent, convincing message to the people, the church must ensure the Catholic community speaks with one voice, he added.

In a culture that encourages the expression of a wide variety of opinions, the pope said, "it is important to recognize dissent for what it is, and not to mistake it for a mature contribution to a balanced and wide-ranging debate."

The pope must have learned something in the Hitler Youth brigades. His distain for dissent runs deep. Yet, he is going to a nation where it has been highly valued.

Referring to the Equality

Referring to the Equality Bill under debate in Britain's Parliament, the pope said some legislation designed to guarantee equal opportunity for all people actually would impose "unjust limitations on the freedom of religious communities to act in accordance with their beliefs."

Meanwhile in England:
"Critics say that rather than promoting healthy and reasoned debate it has, through its Secretariat of State and network of Papal Nuncios, pressured local Catholic Bishops’ Conferences "to all sing from the same hymn-sheet."
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/11170

SPOT ON, BRITS!

John Henry Cardinal Newman

John Henry Cardinal Newman requested at death to be buried with his long time male companion. Newman ran into trouble as a young man when his relationship was discovered and the father of the other young man evicted him from their trip together.

The hypocrisy of Pope Benedict XVI is so extreme. He denounces the homosexuals or pretends they do not/ or have not existed.
God made all of us, who is the pope to denounce the creations made by God?

Saints and theologians and laity have expressed dissent and asked for reforms since the church began. Dissent is healthy and necessary.

Jesus told us to ask questions and to make requests of God. See Matthew and other books of New Testament. Dissenters are welcomed, loved by Jesus, God.

Jesus was delighted with theological questions, discussions, responded compassionately and mercifully to arguments and requests .. Dissenters.... The Syro-Phoenician mother argues with him, makes a request for the healing of her gentile child. Jesus did not squash dissent instead he changed to healing beyond just the children of Isreal.

Holy dissent! The pope is wrong to try to have no real debate!

"Church takes Gospel values

"Church takes Gospel values to public debate"

Is this a case of HOLY IGNORANCE or SPIN THE POPE?

Now playing SPIN THE POPE in

Meanwhile, across the

Meanwhile, across the pond:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article7036547.ece
This should be good enough to drive a few more Anglican sheep into the Roman phobic phold....

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