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In politics, hierarchy applies selective blackmail
Commentary
The Catholic bishops in the United States for years now have been crossing into political waters for the distinct purpose of outing high-profile Democratic politicians who don’t vote the way the bishops want on the abortion issue. It is fascinating that in recent memory the Catholic hierarchy has never spoken out against any Republican. Could it be that the only political sinners are Democrats and that the only political sin is favoring a political strategy of upholding the law regarding the right to abortion while seeking policies aimed at reducing the number of abortions?
Are there no sins involved any longer in supporting preemptive war, massive expenditures on nuclear weapons, the death penalty, economic policies that encourage greed and extreme individualism, or don’t such issues rise to the level of abortion and homosexuality? These are questions that, to my mind, have not been answered sufficiently.
The latest dustup between Rep. Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island and his bishop, Thomas Tobin, is particularly intriguing. The question I have is whether the sin of having an abortion -- which, incidentally, can be forgiven through the sacrament of penance -- has been trumped by the sin of speaking about it. I guess it is something like the sin of having impure thoughts. I don’t follow how this 40-year-old man is guilty of the equivalent of a mortal sin for merely uttering pro-choice sentiments in a political context. Such activity would seem to preclude many church members from going to Communion, or is it just a penalty for politicians?
This seems squarely to be an area where we can apply the wisdom Jesus gave us about rendering to Caesar those things that are Caesar’s. It’s one thing to tell the politicians your point of view and attempt to sway opinion, and quite another to bring religious punishment to politicians who don’t agree with your strategy as a matter of public policy for all of their constituents.
I find it intriguing, too, that the bishops can speak so loudly against abortion but be so silent about death, war and greed. It is difficult for rational adults to process. It is also difficult to understand how they can be so precise in their punishment of politicians on certain narrow issues when they have excused themselves from any consequences for their role in covering up sexual abuse of children, which remains an indelible mark against the church.
It appears that the hierarchy is applying selective blackmail, where the rules apply only to politicians, not to themselves in their very public defiance of the law, or even to ordinary churchgoers who might disagree with the bishops’ political strategy on abortion.
[Pamela Hayes is a New York attorney, a legal commentator for television and radio, an associate professor of law, and an NCR board member.]




Except its not a "political
Except its not a "political stance" it is an issue of morality! Abortion is murder and therefore should be called out for what it is! It is an intrinsic evil, something the death penalty and war are not, as they can be justified in specific circumstances. Also a found your straw man of the Bishop Tobin incident to be rather sad. The issue is NOT that he utters pro-abortion sentiments but that he is a public figure, who is a Catholic, who is standing up for abortion rights! In Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, he describes those in positions of political power of having the greatest ethical obligation!!! They are the ones who are supposed to root out what is evil to the citizenry of this country! And Kennedy, as a Catholic, is not doing his duty to either God or the citizens of this country by standing up for murder.
And again people are falling
And again people are falling for the deliberate deception the republican party uses to keep us from addressing the grievous inequities in our society. The question is not "is abortion immoral?", from a Catholic view of course it is, but "do we want to use the power of the state to punish those who commit this sin?" For a group that purportedly decries the expansion and intrusion of the state into our lives as a matter of intrinsic evil, this stance betrays a fundamental hypocrisy. The criminalization of abortion will result in expanded police power, gestapo tactics, show trials and an atmosphere of terror, precisely the kind of governmental abuse conservatives supposedly wish to prevent.
However thrusting the issue into the public arena and claiming righteous indignation on behalf of the unborn, as we have seen repeatedly, works absolute miracles on behalf of the power elite. With the hoi poloi bashing each other over wedge politics, corporate puppets are unhindered to mold the rest of us into de facto slaves (actually worse, masters took responsibility for the health of their 'live stock'). And just in case abortion-righteousness isn't enough, they've already prepared a homophobic onslaught to insure their places of privilege.
The way to save the unborn is to reach the individual conscience and circumstance of the person considering killing her child with compassion and if needed, material help to stop an unnecessary death. Self righteous intimidation by the government will save no one.
However I sincerely doubt the aim of the republican party is the rescue of the helpless. They wouldn't want to lose their most valuable tool.
Whether to have an abortion
Whether to have an abortion is an issue of morality. Whether the power of the state can be used to criminalize it is poltical and constitutional. As I have said previously, the Church is badly advised on this issue and actively resists hearing the truth of why the clock cannot simply be turned back to the days when abortion was punishable with a fine on doctors. The actions taken must square with the rhetoric used - so if the rhetoric states that abortion is a violation of the rights of the child, then the child must be given legal existence (which can only happen federally).
Such federal action would necessitate penalties, sanctions, tort rights and investigative powers that most in the pro-life movement seem unwilling to discuss. Until the finer points are brought forward honestly, this debate on abortion in the Church is both a waste of time and is cynical attempt to deliver the faithful to the Republican Party that I, for one (of many) will not be involved in. Now, if Republican bishops wish to continue torturing themselves, they are welcome to do so. I will still vote my conscience on this issue (or rather, not vote theirs - since their formation is flawed).
Sorry, but the death penalty
Sorry, but the death penalty is also intrinsicly evil. If we believe in life and the dignity of the human person than we believe it. And remember, we are called to love. It is much easier to love an aborted baby who makes no demands on our time, resources, or emotions. It is much, much harder to love a murderer on death row. I don't hold much for Catholics who get roiled about abortion, but can compromise Jesus' greatest commandment because it feels so good to kill off a murderer through judicial murder.
You are attributing too much
You are attributing too much power to Rep. Kennedy. We do not follow public figures like sheep; people are capable of thinking for themselves. In my opinion, if women are uneducated about abortion, they generally don't look to politicians for advice, they talk to their friends, family, doctors.
And in my opinion, war in today's world IS murder. Civilian casualties far exceed military losses - but those numbers are rarely reported. We get upset about the loss of life through abortion, but we don't seem to get alarmed about killing families in other countries who are trying raise their children and live normal lives. We sit here comfortably, with minimal or no risk to our lives, distracted by issues related to (what else?) sex.
Abortion is the sin only
Abortion is the sin only women can commit.
And only men can forgive.
It frees the lazy and uneducated clergy and hierarchy from having to deal with anything else.
goodness,,,"Abortion is the
goodness,,,"Abortion is the sin only women can commit." Do
not men have a 'key role' in getting women pregnant? Can we
tax men for the abortion they are also responsible for?? Or
is it a double standard....men get women pregnant and they
are off the hook???? The women's gets her 'gut' ripped with
abortion...the men walk free? "Where have all the men gone...
long gone every one?" Have you ever hear sermons on "right to
life sunday" addressed to the men of the parish, fathers, brothers,
uncles, grandfathers, etc about THEIR role in this whole issue???
It is always the women's issue? Do we love the culture of
victimhood so much?....is that why we have such a disregard
for personal responsiblity? Who do we blame, why do we blame
and when do we blame? Where are all the men? If you answer
this oh readers, please use your real name...hiding behind
anonymous for what??? Christmas blessings for you all...dolores
crowley
Well, actually, an
Well, actually, an abortionist also commits abortion, and most abortionist, I do believe, are male. And anyone who assists an abortion is implicated in the sin, men who coerce or encourage abortion, rape women leading to an abortion, or actively support pro-choice legislation are also implicated. Finally, in the Old Testament book of Hosea, the murder of the innocent and the "ripping of infants from the womb" are social sins that all in a society, men included, must do penance for. And of course, only Jesus can forgive, and He is a man-- I don't see any problem with that, and of course he offers forgiveness through the mystically feminine Holy Mother Church.
Really? What about the
Really? What about the abortionist - who incurs automatic excommunication by his act? All who contribute materially to the procurement of abortion incur automatic excommunication whether they be men or women. Men can destroy unborn human life just as can women. Haven't you read about the cases of men murdering pregnant women and being charged with double homicide? For someone who derides the 'uneducated' clergy, you show a rather glaringly incomplete education on this question yourself.
Not to nit pick, but I would
Not to nit pick, but I would think only formal cooperators would be automatically excommunicated. However, proximate material cooperators could likely be subject to canonical censure, but the bishop would have to do that explicitly (whereas formal cooperators in abortion are automatically excommunicated, not needing a decree).
Ms. Hayes apparently has a
Ms. Hayes apparently has a selected memory, not uncommon in folks on the "left side of the aisle". Perhaps Ms. Hayes should try to think back to the time of the lead-up to the war in Iraq. Pope John Paul II, the Great, repeatedly opposed the war and called on President Bush and all who supported him to stop the war before it started; the Pope went to far as to say that the war in Iraq would not be a just war. Nearly every bishop in the country, with a few exceptions, publicly opposed the idea of a war in Iraq and the USCCB repeatedly called on the Bush Administration to rethink its policy of preemptive war, calling it immoral.
The USCCB has been publicly in favor of universal health care for years. The bishops have condemned the death penalty and have often publicly been seen protesting/praying at prisons where the death sentences are carried out.
Having said that, I will take just a moment and attempt to explain some of the confusion Ms. Hayes apparently is laboring under. The death penalty, universal healthcare, even just and preemptive war, are all issues that are considered "prudential". Prudential matters are those "gray areas", issues on which people of good will may legitimately disagree. For example, a person of good will may honestly believe that preemptive war is completely consistent with the just war concept, while another person of equally good will may honestly believe that preemptive war is morally wrong.
The Church speaks on issues of import in the public square. Yet, the Church is not necessarily empowered to, nor supposed to, speak definitively on every single issue of the day. Some issues, indeed many issues, are left to the individual. The Church proposes moral principles, such as the ancient just war formulation, and allows individual Catholics to then apply those principles to specific situations. The Church, the Pope and the Bishops, may even offer their reflections and opinions, and all Catholics are bound to listen to those reflections, consider them carefully, and pray about them, then apply them as their conscience permits. Thus, the Church outlines and proposes principles such as stewardship of the earth, just use of resources, economic justice for all, etc., then the Pope may issue an encyclical letter, as Pope Benedict XVI did, on these issues. But, that is as far as it goes. The Church does not presume to tell a Catholic, or the faithful universally, how to put those principles into action. The Church leaves it up to the individual conscience; this is why some Catholics can claim that the only means of properly bringing about these principles is to have a socialist economy and why some other equally good Catholics can say that an unfettered free market is the only means of justly implementing those principles.
The matters of abortion and homosexuality, however, are not prudential, but are matters of faith and morals on which the Church is obligated to speak definitively, and has done so for nearly 2000 years. The deliberate taking of innocent human life is always a moral atrocity and morally wrong. What is abortion but the deliberate taking of innocent (the most innocent) human life? As such, abortion is nothing less than the deliberate violation of an absolute moral principle. It is murder of innocent human life and, as a result, is always wrong in every single circumstance. Every person is actively procures an abortion, or who actively encourages another to get an abortion, or procures an abortion for someone else, is guilty of grave sin. So is Representative Kennedy.
Sexuality is a gift from God given to humans for the purpose of enhancing marital intimacy and procreation. It is a celebration of the gift of God making humans as male and female. Marriage is between a man and a woman, as God intended from the beginning, and as has been consistent Church teaching for 2000 years, and consistent Jewish teaching for thousands of years before that. What is homosexuality but a violation of those principles? As such, engaging in homosexual activity and/or sexual behavior is morally wrong in every circumstance, just as engaging in heterosexual sexual activity outside of marriage is a violation of those same principles and morally wrong in every circumstance.
Despite Ms. Hayes attempts, there can be no moral equivalence drawn between war (which is the taking of human life for purposes such as protection of the innocent, and the accidental or unintentional taking of innocent life) and abortion (which is the deliberate and intentional taking of innocent human life). Folks like Ms. Hayes often attempt to make such equivocations because they do not understand that there are distinctions in the moral life, and that there are certain areas on which the Church speaks definitively and certain areas on which she does not and should not. These distinctions are not difficult to understand if one would actually attempt to inform oneself of them. They are clearly outlined in the Catechism, in the Magisterial teaching of all the popes, and in the Tradition of the Church. Only by intentionally and consciously choosing to do so can one remain ignorant of this aspect of the Church's teaching.
From which planet do you
From which planet do you come? The Church has never uttered a "definitive statement" on a MORAL issue. That is, unless you believe in "creeping infallibility." When popes, Vatican Congregations, and bishops repeat moral statements over and over, even in ever more strident voices,one is bound to listen to what they say (as well as listen to the world around us and within us) in order to achieve a "well-formed conscience." But to merely accept what they say because THEY say it, is to violate what makes a human most like God: our intelligence and will in making decisions. I also suggest you read Church history with an eye to discovering truth rather than through an ideological filter.
On the planet where
On the planet where Evangelium Vitae was published there is an infallible statement on a moral issue: "Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, and in communion with the Bishops of the Catholic Church, I confirm that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being is always gravely immoral. This doctrine, based upon that unwritten law which man, in the light of reason, finds in his own heart (cf. Rom 2:14-15), is reaffirmed by Sacred Scripture, transmitted by the Tradition of the Church and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. (A reference is made to Lumen Gentium 25 where the requirements of an infallible statement are to be found)
The Ordinary Magisterium,
The Ordinary Magisterium, that is, the teaching office of the Holy Father and the Bishops in communion with him, has repeatedly declared that abortion is an absolute moral evil. This is consistent with the earliest teachings of the Church (from the Didiache) and has never, at any time in Church history, ever been contradicted. Abortion is always and in every circumstance a moral evil.
Moreover, natural law, that law which is "written upon the heart" understands innately that the deliberate taking of innocent human life is always a moral atrocity. What is abortion but the deliberate taking of innocent human life? Finally, Sacred Scripture is clear in its repeated condemnation of the taking of innocent human life.
And so, here we find the happy confluence of 2000 years of Church teaching, from the time of the Apostles until now, the repeated statements of the last several Popes, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Sacred Scripture and the natural law, all declaring without ambiguity that abortion is morally wrong. How anyone could ignore all these sources and still claim to be in full communion with the Church is beyond me.
Clint, First, tell me what is
Clint,
First, tell me what is a "selected memory"?
Second---two thousand years of sophisticated theology reduced to just about everything you say here. Your analysis is just about as sophisticated as any bishop's I've heard. Two thousand years of sophisticated theology reduced to these two issues. How easy it must be now to become a priest or bishop, just repeat what you say. So thanks, Clint; you've written excellent "Cliff Notes" for any future priest, bishop, archbishop, cardinal or pope.
"Selected memory" is what
"Selected memory" is what happens when one is trying to do multiple things at once, including writing my above comments. I meant to say "selective memory", but sadly, my attention divided. Thank you for your correction, which I gladly accept in the spirit of charity in which it was offered.
Secondly, I am not entirely certain as to what you are saying in your second comments. I have not attempted to reduce 2000 years of theology down to just two issues, but rather to respond to the specific issues identified by Ms. Hayes, namely abortion and homosexuality. Also, I have no intention of offering a "Cliff Notes" on theology for anyone, but merely to, as succinctly as possible, demonstrate where Ms. Hayes is in error relative to the concept of prudential judgment and her attempted equating an absolute moral evil, such as abortion, and a prudential matter such as healthcare or just war.
Finally, I would offer a reflection similar to yours: how easy it is to be left-leaning layperson today, just be intentionally ignorant of Church teaching and irrationally upset by every word uttered by the clergy.
But what would ---Jesus---
But what would ---Jesus--- do??
He would call on people to
He would call on people to care for the needs of the poor. That is mandatory for Christians. He would insist that food, clothing, housing, health care, etc. are rights. However, there can be legitimate disagreement on the most efficient and fair way to accomplish this mandate in a given society and time.
Jesus would admonish those afflicted or trapped in sexual sin and love them and be present to them as much as he could. He would also forgive their sins and tell them to sin no more. Jesus never failed to tell the sinful to stop, but always gently. The only ones he ever got mad at were those who defiled the holy, those who were hypocrites, and those who led the innocent or weak into sin.
Jesus would send (and has sent) the Holy Spirit to guide the Church and those to whom he gave the mission to teach and guide the flock. Jesus warned about how severe the punishment is for those in leadership who betray his trust, but that punishment is so severe because the flock is supposed to follow their shepherd.
Jesus would not condone murder. Jesus would not condone systematic murder. Jesus would not condone murder even if it wasn't your fault that you feel you need to murder. There is no way shape or form that Jesus would tolerate abortion or any other affront to human dignity.
Jesus would (and did) condemn the hording of riches, especially at the cost of the poor's ability to have what they need.
A moot question. The Church
A moot question. The Church is the voice of Christ in the world. He promised Peter and his successors that whatever they would hold bound on earth would be held bound in Heaven. Moreover, the Church is the Body of Christ, and so, the answer to your question would be Jesus will do what the Church does.
Conflation of organized
Conflation of organized religion, particularly the Catholic church, has never been credible despite arguments to the contrary.
Jesus stands apart from and distances himself from the power grabs and arrogance permeating the church since the Council of Trent.
What would Jesus do a moot question??
Hardly.
Why did not the Bishops and
Why did not the Bishops and the Pope then refuse communion to the politicians that voted to begin this unjust war that has killed hundreds of thousands of living, breathing and thinking people! As for Pope John Paul II being a great Pope, It would seem that there can be little greatness in a man who watched our children abused by powerful men in the Church.
R. Dennis Porch, MD
Apparently you missed the
Apparently you missed the entire point of my comments. While the Pope did say that he viewed the war in Iraq as unjust, that did not mean that it was morally wrong. Catholic teaching holds that on prudential matters such as war, it is up to the individual Catholic to decide to support or oppose. The death penalty, war, economic systems (Socialism, Capitalism, etc.) all are matters for prudential judgment, and if a Catholic takes a position different from the Holy Father or his local ordinary, on these matters, he is not committing sin or scandal because war is NOT an absolute moral evil in every circumstance, nor is it morally wrong even in this circumstance.
Abortion is an absolute moral evil and any Catholic who procures an abortion for him/herself or for another, or who counsels another to have an abortion, or who takes encourages others to consider abortion is guilty of a grave sin and should not receive Holy Communion until he or she is reconciled with the Church and with God.
Clint Green claims that a
Clint Green claims that a responder to his arguments "missed the entire point of [his]comments." I believe that Mr. Green is missing the entire point of his own comments. Specifically, he applies the distinction between prudential judgments and moral absolutes in defending politicians' right to support Bush and company's invasion of Iraq. It is revealing that he sees this as merely a "prudential judgment" on which, presumably, reasonable people can disagree.
However,he elsewhere notes that "The deliberate taking of innocent human life is always a moral atrocity and morally wrong." What could possibly be a better example of the "deliberate taking of innocent human life" than that evil mass murder that proceeded from the sheeplike and shameful action that the United States Congress allowed in 2003. One can talk of "prudential judgment" involving the abstraction of "war," but was there anyone so dense as to not realize that what they were supporting was mass murder of thousands of innocent human beings? What was the "Shock and Awe" that Rumsfield was so titilated by other than the mass abortion of innocent victims, child and adult, born and unborn? Where were the bishops then? Are we to be so morally vacuous as to call this crime against humanity "collateral damage"? This was deliberate murder of the innocent. What is the complicity of those in office who awarded these mass murderers the cloak of legality by their vote?
The hypocrisy of the those who choose to focus their moral outrage on desperate and powerless women and yet avoid offending the powerful by hiding behind artificial moral distinctions follows a long tradition within the Church hierarchy.
The basis for denying
The basis for denying communion to an individual is found in Canon 915, which states in part "others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion" (emphasis mine), which leads me to two points:
1. I think it would be very difficult to make the case that a single vote in favor of pre-emptive military action in Iraq could be construed as obstinate perseverance. A single vote is quite different than one's spending an entire political career to promote and advance abortion.
2. The decision to deny one communion would be a last resort, not a first step. Additionally, we don't know what sort of personal, private conversations may have taken place between bishop and politician. As was the case initially with Tobin and Kennedy, there are plenty of conversations that take place outside the glare of the media. We should be careful not to jump to conclusions based upon what we are not hearing the press report.
Clint and David, thank you
Clint and David, thank you for your simple explanations! Perhaps that is exactly what is the matter with the Church leadership. It seems to come up with these simple explanations to complex issues. As a physicians and a retired (neuro) Anesthesiologist, I had the potential opportunity to participate in many abortions to which I always refused, but I also read about the medical history of the US before legalized abortions about dead women and dead fetuses at the hands of back alley abortionists. Often there was the destruction of both a fetus and a woman sometimes the mother of other children. For this reason, and others that are technical and not simple, I would not wish to see abortion made again illegal. The idea that there is a moral absolute involving blastocysts and fetuses and not involving living, breathing speaking people of God is ridiculous and simpleton advice.
The US bishops are selectively applying a political standard on this issue and it has nothing to do with spirituality or the imitation of jesus Christ. It has everything to do with the practicing of paternal authoritarianism. Christ never established an authoritarian church. In fact quite the opposite. He was the most radical, liberal of his time- a homeless man that hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. He was the enemy of the established church authority of his time. He indeed is not on your side on this or many other issues. Yes, abortion is wrong but it is also as the recent movie states, "complicated," and your types of simpleton answers cause serious damage to the issue of helping young women make better decisions.
May we gain grace through listening to the whispers of the Holy Spirit in our own present times!
R. Dennis Porch, MD
Clint and David, thank you
Clint and David, thank you for your simple explanations! Perhaps that is exactly what is the matter with the Church leadership. It seems to come up with these simple explanations to complex issues. As a physicians and a retired (neuro) Anesthesiologist, I had the potential opportunity to participate in many abortions to which I always refused, but I also read about the medical history of the US before legalized abortions about dead women and dead fetuses at the hands of back alley abortionists. Often there was the destruction of both a fetus and a woman sometimes the mother of other children. For this reason, and others that are technical and not simple, I would not wish to see abortion made again illegal. The idea that there is a moral absolute involving blastocysts and fetuses and not involving living, breathing speaking people of God is ridiculous and simpleton advice.
The US bishops are selectively applying a political standard on this issue and it has nothing to do with spirituality or the imitation of jesus Christ. It has everything to do with the practicing of paternal authoritarianism. Christ never established an authoritarian church. In fact quite the opposite. He was the most radical, liberal of his time- a homeless man that hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors. He was the enemy of the established church authority of his time. He indeed is not on your side on this or many other issues. Yes, abortion is wrong but it is also as the recent movie states, "complicated," and your types of simpleton answers cause serious damage to the issue of helping young women make better decisions.
May we gain grace through listening to the whispers of the Holy Spirit in our own present times!
R. Dennis Porch, MD
The hubris of episcopal
The hubris of episcopal self-adulation has raised them to a different world — so they tell themselves (and try to make us believe). Don't expect any bishop to reply to your spot-on posting. They do the preaching, we do the listening; it's tradition. Thank you.
The bishops are referring a
The bishops are referring a game that nobody is playing. They are just oblivious to the total disconnect between them and educated adults who can actually think. I cannot figure out why they are intent on destroying the church!
Abortion can certainly be
Abortion can certainly be forgiven through penance, but my understanding is that a Roman Catholic who has or procurs an abortion is still automatically excommunicated. My issue with the hierarchy's war on the Democratic Party is that supporting the American separation of church and state is not procuring abortion for anyone.
Golly, I don't know what to
Golly,
I don't know what to think!
Then is it ok to have an abortion because one is able, after the fact to have the Sacrament of Penance? There's something wrong with that type of logic.
I agree that there seems to be a type of ethical relativism going on with the Episcopate regarding life and peace issues so don't count me as an apologist for them. There is a convoluted logic going on there.
Indeed, the devil is in the details!
Being kind, maybe the problem the hierarchy has may be one of a failure to get it's message across due to it's complexity or inability to inform.
Being unkind, maybe they fail to listen to the Voice of the Holy Spirit for any number of reasons, causing the "Laity" or "Faithful" to be put in a state of confusion causing division in the Church.
I know a lot of people who are leaving or have left the Church over the scandals and confusion. The faith communities they have joined they consider more enlightened, Buddist, Quaker, ect.
What will the Church leadership do?
Are they reacting like the Church after the Council of Trent, retreating from the world in full bunker mentality?
The Sufis say that one must be fully engaged in both the world and the Spirit,
choosing which one is appropriate at the time.
Also, according to Sufi tradition, there is but one religion and that religion is the religion of Love.
The Roman Catholic Church through the encyclical Deus Caritas Est by Benedict XVI teaches the same thing.
We need to work together to become as Christ's eyes, ears, hands and feet in this world. Love will get us through in spite of everything.
The pro-life issue should not
The pro-life issue should not really be seen as a moral issue in the political context. Our Declaration of Independence, the founding document of the nation defends the right to life. It is a stretch to maintain that life only begins at birth, provided the small entity can manage to get out of the womb successfully, i.e., avoid partial birth abortion!
Even the most die-hard pro-choicers should admit that the point of viability in the womb (sometime in the later second trimester) is the point at which life begins in the secular sense.
As far as the rest of the pregnancy goes even if there isn't a soul, from the point of conception, the human entity is in the process of formation. If there is a right to life, then logically, it should extrapolate back to the beginning point (conception) to cover the complete formative stage. The reasoning being that if life is sacrosanct then so is life in its formative stages.
I think this is what Mr Spock (not the doctor) would have to say about this issue! Notice it has nothing to do with religion or morality, per se.
Dear Paulte The Mr. Spock I
Dear Paulte
The Mr. Spock I am thinking about would call your reasoning circular and irrelevant. What can we say about the factual observation that at least 60% and maybe 80% of normal blastocysts fail to implant in a normal uterus. Seems then that nature would be the big daddy abortionist that God oversees. We thus can make no such extrapolation as you propose!
May peace, logic and understanding prevail! May we gain grace by listening to what the spirit tells us in the present!
R. Dennis Porch, MD
This is a very thoughtful
This is a very thoughtful commentary. It's something I've wondered about too: why does abortion seem to the bishops to be the only sin worthy of public censure? And, as you pointed out Rep Kennedy hasn't actually had an abortion, and he's not exhorting people to go out and have one, so what terrible sin has he committed? Thank you for this essay; I suspect you'll receive an enormous amount of flak from the professional prolife advocates for even raising these questions.
The writer's understanding of
The writer's understanding of Christian and Catholic dogma is shamefully lacking. Crutial elements of the discussion have been neglected in order to bolster her own opinion.
When is this web site going to stop using the Catholic moniker in their name. There is very little Catholic here.
You stated: "The writer's
You stated:
"The writer's understanding of Christian and Catholic dogma is shamefully lacking. Crutial elements of the discussion have been neglected in order to bolster her own opinion."
Provide a list of how the writer is lacking in 'Christian and Catholic dogma'.
As far as her 'own opinion' is concerned??
The USCCB has done nothing but extol its own opinions, all dressed up in power, arrogance and authority, particularly with respect to Kennedy. Kennedy has a job to do as an elected official and that is to represent his constituents, period. He was not elected to overturn Roe v Wade.
The writer is absolutely right. There is indeed selective blackmail when it comes to the bishops and abortion issues. And that the Catholic Church is fully aligned with fundamentalists on most issues is a glaring exposure of what their theology has been for the past two thousand years and that is a hierarchical, top-down, trickle down view of humanity in general.
Far, far from what Jesus taught and stood for.
The idea of being so
The idea of being so singularly-minded is truly saddening. Yes, agreed that abortion is horrible, but so are starving people, a lack of adequate medical care, shelters for the homeless, and a myriad of horribly sad social issues. The money spent alone for the military occupations of foreign countries alone should be a sin. To me, the Bishops who single out the attack on abortion to the exclusion of all else are contributing to the "abortion" of those who walk amongst us every day.
Thank you, Pamela Hayes, for
Thank you, Pamela Hayes, for this thoughtful and concise article. As a former elected official, I know the knots one can become entangled in when trying one's very best to be a thoughtful Catholic office holder and at the same time face the realities that exist in the real world -- where the majority of our Catholic Bishops seem never to even visit.
Let's try and separate some
Let's try and separate some of the wheat from the chaff in your article. Very briefly, you are making a moral equivalence between abortion, war, the death penalty, capitalism, and other issues. Please read the Catechism of the Catholic Church #2258-2275 (the footnotes too would perhaps be an aid to your understanding). While the issues you raise are important to our time, unlike the rest abortion is always a grave moral evil. To cooperate in procuring or to sanction an abortion are also always grave moral evils. For a Catholic to publicly and persistently hold the position that abortion is somehow a good thing, or at least not too bad a thing as long as you get some more health care, read Patrick Kennedy, is a cause for scandal and must be addressed. Let us not cloud the issue by making the argument, however poorly, that the bishops should be silent on tax payer subsidized abortion because they should have spoken out more on other issues (and yes, they have addressed all the issues you raise). Health care reform is indeed a good thing so long as it provides for real health care and never the murder of the innocent. Oh, and one last thing. If, by your last sentence, you are lambasting the bishops and by extension the Catholic faithful, for defying the law as it applies to the murder of the innocent then I would sincerely urge you to seek the council of your own priest or bishop.
Dear Fr. Jim, I reply because
Dear Fr. Jim,
I reply because you use the honorific "Fr.". That implies some authority as an ordained minister and a sanctioned or incardinated teacher of our Church. Thank you for trying to "separate some of the wheat from the chaff", and "Very briefly..." as well.
As you suggested, I reread #2258-2275 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, footnotes included. I think, however, that it was too brief a citation. #2284-2287 and #2302-2317 are part of the valid and moral continuation and explanation of Article 5, The Fifth Commandment, which begins with #2258-2317 and is summarized in #2318-2330.
Some of the footnotes in this Article refer to the Hebrew Scriptures, some refer to the New Testament and a few cite human beings as the source and authority. The Authority in all of Scripture is quoted in #2262 and the last footnote refers us to Mt. 26:52. Jesus does not say, "except in the case of..." or "if some human agency declares it just.." He says quite plainly, "Enough! Put it away." He repeats his non-violent response to Pilate, Jn. 18:36.
I must question the accuracy of your misleading statement: "For a Catholic to publicly and persistently hold the position that abortion is somehow a good thing, or at least not too bad a thing as long as you get some more health care, read Patrick Kennedy, is a cause for scandal and must be addressed". I have not seen or heard or read anywhere that Patrick Kennedy said or wrote or advocated anything even hinting that "abortion is somehow a good thing, or at least not too bad a thing as long as you get some more health care".
The headline for Ms. Pamela Hayes' article is "In politics, hierarchy applies selective blackmail". In English Composition class, we learned that headlines are attention getters. So this is a good headline; it caught my and your attention. She is identified as a "New York attorney, a legal commentator for television and radio, an associate professor of law, and an NCR board member" at the end of the article. She makes some comments worth considering and responding to, as witnessed by you, Fr. Jim, and by me.
The conclusion of the Song of Songs, 8:11-12, comes to mind: "Solomon had a vineyard at Baal-Hamno. He entrusted it to overseers, and each one was to pay him the value of its produce, a thousand shekels of silver. But I tend my own vineyard myself. You, Solomon, may have your thousand shekels, and those who oversee its produce their two hundred".
#2285 in our Catechism again quotes The Authority, Mt. 18:6. This should be kept in mind when choosing to "seek the council of your own priest or bishop".
Paz y Bien, Rolando.
As a Catholic deeply involved
As a Catholic deeply involved in the movement to achieve justice in Palestine, the tepid response of the Catholic leadership to the suffering of the Palestinian people is particularly vexing. The Catholic voice of protest on this issue is barely heard, a quasi-muteness all the more inappropriate considering how much Catholic tax revenue goes to provide killing machines to Israel.
Numerous Catholics in the U.S. Congress are ardent supporters of Israel's inhumanity toward the Palestinians, including Rep. Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island. I have yet to hear one peep of protest leveled against them for their trashing of Catholic social justice principles as they apply to the Holy Land.
To disagree with the
To disagree with the hierarchy IS the one unforgivable sin. I not only agree with you, but have long seen this as the only actual priority of the hierarchy. You can DO anything you want as a Catholic so long as you give a lifetime of loyalty to the "one mind" society.
What universe is Ms. Hayes
What universe is Ms. Hayes living in? Because this is not my universe. While the hierarchy may go after a few pro-abortion Democrates, big deal. If you examine the USCCB website Justice, Psychedelic Love and Human Development it's almost like reading from the Democratic National Committee website. In fact, I'm shocked they do not have a direct hyperlink to each other's websites. Expanding all social programs. Nationized health care. Global warming. The USCCB has nothing on the national debt. They have nothing on limited government. They have nothing on the economic impact of the green adgenda. And you liberals cry over a few politicians? You have the USCCB in your pocket and you want more? Greedy!!!
While I find several points
While I find several points from various comments on this article to be thought-provoking, this one is close to incoherent. Is the writer really an ordained man with an advanced education or merely someone using a pen name? If the former, I am really saddened. What universe indeed?!
No one is "pro-abortion",
No one is "pro-abortion", father. Semantics such as this have done your side of the battle no good at all since 1973.
It's "pro-choice" to you.
Pro-Choice indeeed. Pro
Pro-Choice indeeed.
Pro abortion means exactly what the language gives it.
"In favor of abortion"
Yes this is exactly what it is
Pro-Choice on the other hand, favors abortion as well by being one side of choice. You can not be Pro Choice and exclude aspects of your stand that gives the choice. Pro choice is pro abortion.
Silliness! Founder of
Silliness!
Founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger advocated abortion to weed out "undesirables". Today, estimates put about 80% of the abortion mills of the organization she founded in black neighborhoods. And I'm sure you heard the audio of the undercover phone calls which exposed that the racial pro-abortion stance is still in tact at PP, as are the cover ups of coerced abortions, rape and the like...of course all of this is done in the name of "choice"
On many occasions so called "Pro-Choicers" seek to keep any abortion minded women from making an informed choice, they regularly oppose any legislation to allow a woman seeking an abortion to view an ultra-sound, have sought bubble zone laws, and laws against CPC's regularly.
There are even groups promoting laws that would allow "male reproductive rights", contending their absence violates the US Constitution's equal protection clause. In other words men should be able to opt out of child support if the man wants the woman to get an abortion.
Planned Parenthood offered free-abortions to victims of hurricane Katrina and 9-11 widows.
Of course these are only a few examples of pro-abortion people doing things to promote abortion, there are many others, none of which can credibly be called "choice".
It's funny how the minions of the abortion industry will spit out sound bites and one-liners like "no one is pro-abortion" without thinking about what they are saying, then in the next sentence accuse others of being blindly obedient to the Catholic Church.
President Kennedy was right:
President Kennedy was right: "In my experience, all nuns are Democrats and all bishops are Republicans."
When did Kennedy ever say
When did Kennedy ever say that?
A google search shows he only
A google search shows he only said it when Rev. Isaac McDaniel has quoted him saying it, curious.
Rather than questioning the
Rather than questioning the Bishops you should be looking inward to determine what is at the heart of your motivation to make all sins equivelant. What Catholic would equate greed with the taking of a human life. I believe that most Catholics are against all sin yet we are all sinners. The Sacrament of Pennance does require a sinner to be truly sorry for thier sins and committed to trying not to repeat those sins.
Let's not forget that Senator Kennedy wentt public with his private conversation with his Bishop.
Joe W.
Greed can be a slow murder of
Greed can be a slow murder of its victims.
"or don’t such issues rise to
"or don’t such issues rise to the level of abortion and homosexuality?"
Well those issues certainly don't reach the level of abortion - that's always been the Church's clear teaching, and one that Pope Benedict has written about.
"The question I have is whether the sin of having an abortion -- which, incidentally, can be forgiven through the sacrament of penance..."
While that's absolutely true about being forgiven, the baby would still be dead. I think it's important to remember that we're not just talking about the mother in an abortion, there's also an innocent life taken.
God bless and merry Christmas.
Thank you, Pamela. When
Thank you, Pamela. When talking about other sins that the hierarchy might address, I'd ask you to add the sin of abuse of children by anyone. Possibly because the abuse by clergy is in so many minds, our clergy seem to stay clear of the broader issue of the welfare of children. Too many children are abused. Where is the cry against that sin?
The Bishops take their cue
The Bishops take their cue from Robbie George. (See the NYT Magazine 12/20/09) The Bishops are at his mercy and will do everything possible to prove that in their list of priorities, the Republican agenda trumps all including the Gospels. We need new bishops. These buffoons have been duped!
I find myself nodding my head
I find myself nodding my head with a big "Amen," Ms. Hayes. Bishops are faithfully fond of reminding us that protecting life is paramount in living out the prophetic aspect of our life in Christ. But I always feel insulted and robbed of my Christian responsibility to work things out in my own world when our official teachers act with the same kind of moral agenda for which narrow minded and nit-picking Pharisees are clearly shaken up by Jesus in the Gospels.
I guess it is all in the way
I guess it is all in the way you look at things. Pamela Hayes sees the bishops as using their political clout to oust leading Demoncrats over the issue of abortion. She does not seem to notice that many of these same leaders are more than willing to prompt their Catholicism when it serves their political ends. (One of our local representative included her Confirmation picture with the bishop in her election pamphlet. She is very pro-abortion.) She ignores the problem of when Catholic politicans claim that their stand is compatible with Catholic Church teaching. (I suspect that she would be very upset with an attorney who was mis-representing the law in order to get ahead in the legal profession.) This is not a sexist issue as while women undergo the procedure and suffer from it, many of the doctors are men. A number of studies have shown that more female babies are aborted than male. Many of the women who have abortions are pressured by men to have them. It leaves the man free from responsibility and leaves the woman with the guilt. All those directly involved in an abortion, men and women, are bound by the same penalties in the Church.
No one is pro-abortion,
No one is pro-abortion, J.C.J. Semantics such as this have done nothing to enhance a badly needed dialogue related to the abortion issue.
Agreed and thank you for
Agreed and thank you for saying it.
Extremely well put!
Extremely well put!
"Cafeteria Catholics" is what
"Cafeteria Catholics" is what the hierarchy pejoratively labels Catholic lay people who don't observe every nod and urrerance of the bishops. But aren't the bishops cafeteria catholics, too? There is a whole ramge of Catholic moral principle that the hierarchy blithely disregards in favor of the selected few that the "one, holy catholic, apostolic, and Republican church" deigns to support.
Reverend fathers, this is no way to regain the moral high ground that your misbehaviors have cost you.
This commentary is an example
This commentary is an example (of many) where it seems we just have to keep throwing stones at each other.
Pamela Hayes may know civil
Pamela Hayes may know civil law, but she is clueless about moral law.
Abortion is INTRINSICALLY evil; that is, it is evil in itself and can never be justified. All the other things she lists (death penalty, nuclear weapons, certain economic policies) are not completely without justification in all cases.
The reason Patches Kennedy is warned by his bishop is because he publicly supports abortion in his pro-choice position with his votes.
I can't think of any pro-choice Republican Catholics in the US Congress, while some of the most high-profile Democrats (Pelosi, Obey, Durbin) are ardently and in every circumstance supporters of abortion policy.
Remember, that lying too is
Remember, that lying too is INTRINSICALLY evil so what can we say about bishops who lied (that's a part of "cover up")to hide the sexual abuse of innocent kids by their "brother" priests. I wonder how often they think of that when they condemn (only Democratic) politicians?
Perhaps someone ougt to look into the simplistic ways the hierarchy applies outdated versions of natural law, deontological ethics, "intrinsically evil" acts.
Tell me that the sexual abuse
Tell me that the sexual abuse crises was/is not INTRINSICALLY evil. There are no circumstances where this is justified. It is obvious that Dwight is a man and has no experience with unwanted pregnancies. The Republican Catholics in the U.S. Congress certainly have been absent in compassion when it comes to health care for those unwanted children who are brought into this world and whose mothers cannot support them. The mothers are then accused of being irresponsible parents and leeches on society. Where are the bishops on this? Is it more important to bring an unwanted child into society than it is to care for them after they are born? I think it is time for the U.S. Government to revoke all churches/denominations who involve themselves politically.
"Abortion is INTRINSICALLY
"Abortion is INTRINSICALLY evil; that is, it is evil in itself and can never be justified. All the other things she lists (death penalty, nuclear weapons, certain economic policies) are not completely without justification in all cases."
Nope.
Murder occurs in each and every situation you cite, however slowly though torterous in those cases to be sure.
And when the life and ----health---- of the mother has been compromised she has a right to choose abortion.
In cases of rape and incest where the mother's body has been violated against her will, she has a right to choose abortion.
Yes, abortion can be justified because under no circumstance should a woman die because of a pregnancy.
That, in and of itself, is murder.
Rep. Kennedy has politically
Rep. Kennedy has politically acted to in a way which allows more pre-born human persons to be killed, and yet professes to be Catholic. Bishop Tobin privately informed him that he was not to receive Communion, because doing so 1.) imperils his own immortal soul, for cooperating in abortion is a mortal sin, and receiving communion in a state of Mortal Sin, makes Rep. Kennedy "guilty of the body and blood of Christ" according to St. Paul; and 2.) imperils the souls of other Catholics by causing scandal, for it makes it seem as if the pro-choice position is an acceptable position for a Catholic, when any cooperation in abortion is onjectively a mortal sin, and ne which incurs automatic excommunication. This was kept private until recently, when Rep. Kennedy made a statement saying that Catholic Bishops should not express their opinions on the healthcare debate. Bishop Tobin publically reprimanded Rep. Kennedy, saying that as bishop, he has a duty to speak on the moral ramifications of healthcare legislation. It was after this that Rep. Kennedy made the private requests that he not receive communion public, in order to make himself out to be a martyr.
And as a side note: Bishop Tobin also denied conservative Congressman Tom Tancredo from speaking at (Catholic) Providence College because of Tancredo's political actions regarding immigration.
We must render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, but everyone, including politicians, must render unto God that which is God's.
And that us why this group of
And that us why this group of bishops have lost so much respect and have squandered any teaching authority they might have possessed. What a shame.
Michael J. Stephen, Ph.D.
The sin that is horrific - is
The sin that is horrific - is against women. What I find fascinating is that not enough see that we as women are being used by the abortion industry for profit. It is a crime and sin against women. As far as male politicians go - they are responsible for proliferating this sin against women when the vote and promote pro abortion policy. Its too bad more women dont stand up for the female sex in the abortion arena. I am forever pro feminist pro life. I have my struggles and anger against the treatment of women in the church - but I am grateful the church stands firm on the heinous act that we have allowed ourselves to be duped by...
The sin against women is the
The sin against women is the church's insistence that it has every right to control women and their bodies. The church assumes that it can dictate lifestyles in terms of forbidding contraception and abortion even in the case where women will die due to the complications of pregnancy or birthing.
The sin against women is the incredible presumption that women will follow suit over every whimsical utterance breathed by the bishops. The fact that that simply isn't true anymore, particularly with Catholic women, as women have rightfully engaged in moral autonomy in how they live, frustrates the bishops to no end.
And that, in addition to every other aggravation the bishops are experiencing, is exactly what we are seeing in terms of pro-choice Catholic politicians and the endless futility the bishops choose to experience.
Unfortunately, Hayes is
Unfortunately, Hayes is simplifying complex issues and leaving out important facts. In fact, both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have and continue to condemn the pre-emptive war in Iraq, stating that it is not and never was a just war. Pope John Paul II sent his emissary to President George W. Bush to talk him out of invading Iraq, but to no avail.
Abortion is the most heinous of anti-life acts, (among which are the death penalty, war, sins against the environment), first of all, because it kills a completely innocent child; secondly, it is a violation of motherhood and the traditional family unit; thirdly, as we were warned, abortion has become and is often used as a form of birth control - a deadly one. Today there is a frontal and lethal assault on the traditional family, the bedrock of civilization; and the attacking army is composed of those who support same-sex marriage, abortion, divorce. I find it hard to believe most people do not see this.
As to the "lazy and uneducated clergy and hierarchy," I would say there are plenty of lazy, uneducated abortion supporters, who are not fully informed about the issue and its consequences.
I vociferously challenged my church when the clergy sexual abuse crisis broke out. I marched with the victims to Holy Cross Cathedral in Boston in protest of Cardinal Bernard Law's incredible coddling of sexual preditors, wrote letters to the editor, spoke out at my parish. I still do. But the church is not about clergy and hierarchy. It is about Christ. There is no way I can imagine Christ supporting abortion. Surely, Christ would have mercy on a pregnant woman in crisis who wants or has an abortion; but that doesn't mean abortion is moral or good; it's just about Christ's mercy.
It's about time that pro-abortionists come to accept that their "abortion" solution is not in anyone's best interests. Pamela Hayes needs to learn much more about the Catholic Church, the negative psychological and physical effects of abortion on women, it's negative effects on society, etc.; as educated as she is, she needs to research the subject more before she sweeps the ugliness of abortion under the rug and blames the mess on clergy and/or hierarchy, and/or Patrick Kennedy's dustup with Bishop Tobin, who correctly stated the Catholic position on abortiion. Moreover, it was in a private conversation that Tobin correctly advised Kennedy that he should not receive communion if he publicly supports abortion. For Tobin the issue is not Patrick Kennedy's political career; it's the millions of children who are murdered in the womb as a result of policies that Patrick Kennedy helps enforce.
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