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Italian Lefebvrite priest questions Holocaust
Jan. 29, 2009
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Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionFr. Floriano AbrahamowiczIn the wake of a global furor triggered by Pope Benedict XVI’s decision to lift the excommunication of four traditionalist Catholic bishops, including one who cast doubt on the Holocaust, another leader in the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X has questioned whether the Nazis used gas chambers for anything other than “disinfection,” and said that people who hold revisionist views on the Holocaust are not anti-Semites.
Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz, a pastor and spokesperson for the Society of St. Pius X in northeastern Italy, also referred to Jews as “a people of deicide,” referring to the death of Christ, and suggested that the Jewish Holocaust has been “exalted” over what he called “other genocides,” such as the Allied bombing of German cities and the Israeli occupation of the Gaza strip.
On the other hand, Abrahamowicz insisted that the traditionalist movement founded by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre is not “anti-Semitic.” Among other things, Abrahamowicz said, he himself has Jewish roots on his father’s side.
The comments came in a Jan. 29 interview with the Italian newspaper La Tribuna di Treviso. (An NCR translation of the full text of the interview appears below.)
Related story: Pope Benedict's reconciliation efforts continue to fall short
Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X, has apologized for the remarks of Bishop Richard Williamson, who in a recent interview with Swedish television claimed that the Nazis had not used gas chambers and estimated the number of Jewish deaths during World War II at no more than 300,000. Fellay has also barred Williamson from further comment. However, the Abrahamowicz interview suggests at least some degree of sympathy for Williamson’s views within the traditionalist group.
Reacting to protest in Italy over the Abrahamowicz interview, the Italian superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Fr. Davide Pagliarani, issued a press release saying that the society confirms Fellay’s earlier statement on Williamson and “reproves every single word inconsistent with it.”
Abrahamowicz is himself a well-known figure in Italy. In 2006, he gave a television interview in which he said that Erich Priebke, a German SS officer convicted of war crimes for a 1944 massacre in Rome, in which 335 Italian civilians were killed in reprisal for the deaths of 33 German soldiers, should not be seen as an “executioner” but rather a soldier who acted “with regret and a heavy heart.” In 2007, Abrahamowicz celebrated a Latin Mass for Italian politician Umberto Bossi, leader of the far-right Northern League party. Bossi and his party have sometimes been accused of xenophobia, particularly towards Muslim immigrants.
In 2008, after Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi of Milan had expressed support for Muslims seeking to open new mosques in Italy, Abrahamowicz said on Italian radio that Tettamanzi was an example of “infiltrators” attempting to “subvert the church from within.”
Abrahamowicz’s latest comments come just one day after Benedict XVI pledged his “full and indisputable solidarity” with the Jewish people, and recalled the deaths of “millions of Jews” in the Nazi concentration camps.
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La Tribuna di Treviso
Interview with Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz, Jan. 29, 2009
By Laura Canzian
Fr. Floriano, is the Lefebvrite community anti-Semitic?
It’s truly impossible for a Catholic Christian to be anti-Semitic. I myself, on my father’s side, have Jewish roots. My last name even suggests this. This entire polemic regarding the statements of Bishop Williamson concerns the existence of gas chambers, and has been strongly instrumentalized for anti-Vatican purposes. Williamson simply expressed his doubts, and his ‘denial’ is not of the Holocaust – as newspapers have falsely said – but of the technical aspect of the gas chambers.
In your view, what’s the ‘technical aspect’ of the gas chambers?
Certainly, it was imprudent of Williamson to get into technical questions. In the famous interview, you can see that the journalist was obviously leading up to this specific aspect. But you have to understand that the theme of the Holocaust is situated on a much higher level than the question of knowing whether the victims died from gas or from other causes.
What do you think? About the gas chambers, I mean.
Truly, I don’t know. I know that gas chambers existed at least for disinfection, but I don’t know if they were used to kill people or not, because I haven’t studied the question. I know that, alongside the official version [of events], there’s another version based on the observations of the first Allied technicians who entered the camps.
Do you cast doubt on the number of victims of the Holocaust?
No, I don’t cast doubt on the numbers. There could have been more than six million victims. Even in the Jewish world, the number has a symbolic value. Pope Ratzinger says that even one person killed unjustly is too many, which is a way of saying that it’s equal to six million. To speak about numbers doesn’t change anything with respect to the essence of genocide, which is always an exaggeration.
An exaggeration? In what sense?
The number [of six million] is derived from what the head of the German Jewish community said to the Anglo-Americans shortly after the liberation. In the heat of the moment, he fired off a number. But how could he know? For him, the important point was that these victims were unjustly killed for religious motives. If there’s a criticism to be made of the way in which the tragedy of the Holocaust has been handled, it’s in giving it a supremacy with respect to other genocides.
To which other exterminations are you referring?
If Bishop Williamson had gone on television to deny the genocide of 1.2 million Armenians by the Turks, I don’t think that all the newspapers would have talked about his statements in the same terms they’re using now. Who has ever talked about the Anglo-American genocide in the bombing of German cities? Who has ever talked about Churchill, who ordered the phosphorous bombing of Dresden, where there were not only many civilians, but also many Allied soldiers? Who has spoken about the English air force, which, in the bombing of the cities, killed hundreds of thousands of civilians? And the Israelis certainly can’t tell me that the genocide they suffered from the Nazis is less serious than that of Gaza, simply because they’ve taken out a few thousand persons, while the Nazis took out six million. This is where I fault Judaism, which exasperates rather than honoring the victims of genocide decently. It’s as if there were only one genocide in history, that of the Jews during the Second World War. It seems like you can say anything you want about all the other exterminated peoples, but no one at the global level has spoken in the terms in which people are speaking today after the declarations of Bishop Williamson.
Why do so many people still cast doubt on the Shoah? Why is it a subject that still divides people so viscerally?
Because the whole history of humanity is marked by the people of Israel, who initially were the people of God, who then became the people of deicide, and who at the end of time will reconvert to Jesus Christ. Behind it all is a mysterious theological aspect, which is that of the people of God which rejected its Messiah and which still combats him. It’s a mystery of doctrine. Anti-Semitism is born from the illuminated liberal and Gnostic world. The church throughout history has always protected the Jews from pogroms, as one reads, for example, in Domenico Savino’s book on ritual homicide.
What do you think of [Holocaust] denial?
Denial is a false problem, because it focuses on methods and numbers and doesn’t address the substance of the problem. Those who have studied the technical data, and who have cast certain doubts on the versions that we find in history books, aren’t anti-Semites. It’s enough to recall that the first ones to find this data were also those who saved the Jews, meaning the Allies.
Do you want to offer a message to the Jewish community?
One message: As a Catholic Christian, adding that little Jewish blood that runs in my veins, I express the hope that the Jews will embrace Our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Finally, Catholics are
Finally, Catholics are standing up to Israeli apologists and Jewish supremacists. I quit the Church because they cowed to these haters.
Raphael Lemkin who was a
Raphael Lemkin who was a member of the Jewish War Refugee Board invented the term "genocide" as it pertained to the deportation of Jews to concentration camps. The allied black pshycological operations units gave it all the airtime it needed. Such nonsense that the Germans would herd 1500 people into an airraid shelter at one time and thru some miraculous way asphyxiate them to death using an insecticide (zyklon-b) . Educated people should be ashamed for believing such nonsnense . All this was to take place in 15 minutes (the asphyxiation) . What nonsense ! The evil perpetrated in this whole interview is that no one is ever asked whether it is moral to lie about one's enemies ? If they caused us harm , does that excuse our lying about them ? I say no !!!!
We do not have the right to lie in court and we do not have the right to lie as a nation .
Ther can be no justification for such crude lies like :
soap made from Jewish cadavers
lampshade made from human skin
mass gas chambers
i agree my friend We do not
i agree my friend We do not have the right to lie in court and we do not have the right to lie as a nation .
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The allied black
The allied black pshycological operations units gave it all the airtime it needed. Such nonsense that the Germans would herd 1500 people into an airraid shelter at one time and thru some miraculous way asphyxiate them to death using an insecticide (zyklon-b) . Educated people should be ashamed for believing such nonsnense . All this was to take place in 15 minutes (the asphyxiation) . What nonsense ! Muhabbet , Sohbet The evil perpetrated in this whole interview is that no one is ever asked whether it is moral to lie about one's enemies ? If they caused us harm , does that excuse our lying about them ?
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I am very happy to know that
I am very happy to know that our Traditional Roman Catholic priests like Fr. Floriana Abrahamowicz and Bishop William Richardson have boldly, courageously, intrepidly and like true defenders and preachers of the One Truth have defied the garbage of the accursed deicides, the Jewish elite - The diabolical Rothchilds families and their damn cronies - the Rockfellers, the Jacob Schiffs, the Warburgs, etc. It is now becoming increasingly evident that the Jews have made up this whole story of the Holocaust just to gain the sympathy of the world and to place a smokescreen in order to hide their murderous crimes against innocent Catholics and other Christian people. These damn Jews have, since our Lord's birth, adulterated and virused our civilized Catholic societies in Europe in order to bring about and establish their pagan religion civilization called the New World Order with the United Nations as their world parliament. These Marranno, Cryto Jews are the ones who murdered our kind and gentle French Catholic Monarch, the kind and gentle King Louis XVI
May God bless these two great Roman Catholic fighters for the Faith, may their words penetrate the consciousness of all true Roman Catholics bretheren in the world and cause them to unite and to fight against these barbarian Jewish animals. I for certain am on fire and I will endeavour to draw as many Roman Catholics to this important and task.
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And certainly one cannot
And certainly one cannot expect Sohbet Odaları this new modern leadership to come from the remnants of the old failed order that still controls the all too comfortable offices of the modern GOP and kızlarla chat conservative movement. Rather, look hard at those governors on display Chat last week in Miami for clues to the future of America's center-right. But as able as those governors are - Pawlenty, Jindal, Crist, Palin - one did not see an obvious President there, someone ready to take on Obama in 2012, and lead their Party from a deep and dark wilderness. Interesting folks, but no FDR, no Reagan, no Clinton, no Obama. Despite their claims, the GOP farm team seems awfully thin now, at least for the short term.
it's obvious that Pope Pius
it's obvious that Pope Pius XII was …NO …enemy of the Nazis,
NO MORE than POPE Ratzinger was an enemy to the Nazis…
Hitler an X convict… & a criminal, charged & convicted of trying to violently overthrow the old German Government wrote a whole book CONDEMNING the JEWS, declaring they should be persecuted & thrown out of society…
Hitler { in his book [ ~~spoke harshly against the CURRENT religions `actions / of Rome & of Protestants ~as well for being good to the Jews..& for not… CONTINUING ON…to persecute them as viciously & forcefully ..
as THE CATHOLIC CHURCH…..HAD,,. been Persecuting & murdering the Jews for the last 2000 yrs…..?... Pius XII was another catholic spiritual PROSTITUE..., who signed a contract with this JEW HATER
THE POPE *& vatican SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH catholic HITLER
THIS CONTRACT WITH catholic HITLER demanded............."ALL GERMAN bishops SWEAR on the HOLY GOSPELS & ON GOD COMPLETE & LOYALITY to catholic HITLER
read ART. 16 OF ….Hitler's Concordat with the Catholic Church (1933)
CATHOLIC LIBRARY: Concordat with the German Reich (1933)
There is no ….way to prove.. He saved a million Jews….its all assumption./….& fantasy…junk history…Catholics rely on propaganda prostitute...,… Italian…catholic … news ~ papers ,,
& American…liberal…prostitute...,…organizations….lik e the NY Times….( what a Joke )…for their claims .
& other unfactual.,/ inventions….fantasy books.. & on the word of either ignorant or desperate…..people…( Jews at the time.. in an Anti semite ,satanic ,,Italy…..) .looking for acceptance back into Italian life after the war…
THEY WOULD HAVE SAID….anything…to be accepted in Italy….and given a hope for a halfway decent life…It is a sick joke..while they have no records of their claims….
The facts prove…He was completely publicly…SILENT…concerning the murder of Jews….by Germany & Catholic…..Italy…who { his RESPONSIBLE….NOBLE.. church….helped Hitler….Italy shipped out thousands,, of Jews…to be butchered…gassed,,,& put to death ,,,~!---,
the pope never said a word…to his faithful… RESPONSIBLE….Italians…At the end of the WAR…Italy…/ Rome hid a small percentage of Jews ..in Rome …….after Catholic Italy surrendered,,,…only to make themselves ,,,look good,,, after siding with, Helping in & fighting….along side with Germany..
They lost…
We only know of two individuals that Hitler killed personally, his wife Eva Braun, and himself. To kill ten million other people, Hitler needed millions of helpers.
He didn't get those helpers from Mars. He got about two thirds of them from the two thirds of Germans who belonged to the Protestant churches and the other third from the third of Germans who identified themselves as Roman Catholics.The Pope's first responsibility is to Christ and His Church …{.what a joke….
.THE ENTIRE….CHURCH….JOINED… Hitler all… of Italy….HIS CHURCH….joined the Nazis…..if he was responsible He would have begged for Italians…to not Join Hitler….*..& stop shipping out innocent….children men & woman to be tortured…responsibility to Christ and His Church ?...
.the catholic church is not Christ’s Church,,,…it is Satan’s…..hoaX...,…
Hitler was not the lone….monster….out killing all Jews….he had helpers….people in Italy…..Catholics….the POPES church….. GERMAN catholic head,,, bishops ordered …..[ by the pope ]…. to SWEAR on the HOLY GOSPELS & ON GOD COMPLETE & LOYALITY to catholic HITLER….
.Catholics in Germany, & italy,,, the POPES church~~ joined hitler… & the pope was more interested in remaining .,..in power…in his seat of satan …on His… RESPONSIBLE…..throne & popular.. ride….than interested.. in stopping the slaughter of innocent millions…..by His congregation members …
Italys Catholics ..........attacked.{ FOR NO REASON }.....…Greece.. & Ethiopia, Russia..~& other small countries……"
HIS CHURCH,, !
[ CATHOLIC… ,ITALIANS….were BUTCHERING,,,& SLAUGHTERING..their ..INNOCENT neighbors…JUST.....OVER power…./...and is was not his responsibility ,,,to demand they STOP ?
NO HE WAS COMPLETLY...SILENT....UNTILL JEWS & AMERICANS & BRITISH GOVERNMENT BEGGED THE POPE TO SAY SOMETHING.........
Nazis, catholics , protestants atheists * & ALL groups had victims / heros …of individuals…who refused to go along with the majority…of JEW KILLERS..
The Roman Catholic church has never, ever been a friend to the Jew….)( when in power.. NOR the bible believer
HITLER HAD 3 ARABIC ISLAMIC DIVISISIONS...IN HIS S.S///ARMY ..
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Popes claim in catholic catechism 2 N.D. Editiion. # 841 that''
muslims;...these profess to hold the faith of abraham, and together with us [catholics]...they adore the one, merciful god, mankind's judge on the last day
MAY 1985 SATANS POPE John Paul II repeats ROMES DECLARATION TO AUDIENCE OF THOUSANDS
THE POPE said: “CATHOLICS Muslims, WE have MANY THINGS IN COMMON as BELIEVERS and as human beings...WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD
The Roman Catholic Issue & Catholicism and Islam, “Ties That Bind”
,,,THE CATHOLIC GOD IS THE MUSLIM GOD
THATS WHY YOUR POPE CAN KISS & STROKE AND BOW TO THE UNHOLY QURAN
photos of pope kissing quran - Google Image Search
The catholic sect….Damns….and condemns…the BIBLE BELEIVER / non catholic Christ ian…… as LOST. Headed for hell…
The catholic sect….Damns….and condemns…the BIBLE BELEIVER / non catholic Christ ian…… ~~~as DESERVING of whatever punishment the POPES can manipulate their frenzied mobs of Catholics to perform…~~~at whatever point or bowel of history at any given time…possible.
The catholic sect….Damns….and condemns…the BIBLE BELEIVER / non catholic Christ ian…… as serving ANOTHER EVIL JESUS….
Rome SAYS
'Heretics / NOT MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ….. DO NOT HOLD TO CATHOLIC DOCTRINE) & worship a GOD WHO IS A LIAR, & CHRIST WHO IS A LIAR.'
BUT Muslims & ISLAM //OOH they ALL SERVE OUR GOD…..and we Kiss and BOW down to their QURAN *& service ALLAH / satan
ROME HAS BURNED THOUSANDS OF BIBLES, translated in non italian.../,, claiming they were error...
burned people alive../ .hunted them down,,/ ,condemned,,& damned the translators.. & .banned their bibles...
but kisses the quran...saying it is the book of the,,,God of the bible...& all catholics.
This is the same …EXACT…...standard & SAME…..EXACT….situation of that of Pope Pius XII & his church,….allied with satan / Hitler & the the…. islamic…..Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini….
Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini
They all serve the same god….& hate the bible…hate Jews…& Gods people….& have proven it clearly……time & time again
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