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Canterbury condemns Uganda's anti-gay law
After weeks of intense pressure from Episcopal gay rights groups, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams has condemned the "shocking severity" of proposed anti-gay laws in Uganda.
The spiritual leader of the 77 million-member Anglican Communion also said that "I can't see how it could be supported by any Anglican who is committed to what the Communion has said in recent decades." Williams' comments were made during an interview published Saturday (Dec. 12) with The Telegraph, a British newspaper.
Williams had been heavily criticized by American gay rights advocates, particularly since he said the election of a lesbian as an Episcopal bishop in Los Angeles raised "very serious questions" about whether the Episcopal Church should remain a full member of the Anglican Communion.
"The Archbishop of Canterbury has failed to exercise moral leadership to protect gays and lesbians in Uganda and has instead exercised political pressure to attack a bishop-elect in Los Angeles because she is a lesbian," reads a statement from a Facebook page devoted to pressuring Williams. As of Monday (Dec. 14), the page had more than 4,530 members.
A number of U.S. religious leaders and gay rights groups have already condemned the proposed Ugandan laws, which would imprison gays and lesbians as well as people who counsel them. The Anglican Church of Uganda, however, has opposed only the proposed death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality."
The Anglican Communion, which includes both the Episcopal Church in the U.S. and the Anglican Church of Uganda, has been bitterly divided over homosexuality for years. Many conservative Anglicans, particularly in Uganda and other parts of Africa, view gays and lesbians as sinful.
The Lambeth Conference of the world's Anglican bishops in 1998 described homosexual practice as being "incompatible with Scripture" but also condemned homophobia and "any discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."
On Dec. 9, Bishop Nelson Onono-Onweng of the Anglican Church of Uganda said the election of the Rev. Mary Glasspool, a lesbian, in Los Angeles, "signals the finishing of the Anglican Communion. We [in the Global South] will not be able to walk with the Americans."
In the Telegraph interview, Williams said Glasspool's election "confirms the feeling" that Episcopalians are "moving further from the Anglican consensus."
[Ecumenical News International contributed to this report.]




The Archbishop of Canterbury
The Archbishop of Canterbury has spoken out. President Obama has made a statement. Even Rev. Rick Warren, who has cozy ties to those promoting this legislation in Uganda, has made a strong statement condemning the criminalization of homosexuality (something Rowan Williams overlooks).
And Benedict?
The leader of one of the most powerful, populous churches in the world? The voice of conscience for millions of Christians? The representative of a church that tells us it stands unambiguously for human rights?
Silence.
Why?
The Vatican made a statement
The Vatican made a statement weeks ago. Perhaps if you stopped listening to NCR and joined the real world you may have seen it.
I'm grateful to Anonymous for
I'm grateful to Anonymous for the information.
Unfortunately, it's misinformation or deliberate disinformation, since Anonymous does not engage the question I asked.
My question is why Pope Benedict has not made any statement--none at all--about the Ugandan situation.
I continue to ask it. And I hope readers will note that Anonymous's implication that Benedict has spoken is false. Benedict has been totally silent about the situation in Uganda.
Rowan Williams has spoken out. Why can't Benedict?
Missed that one, which you
Missed that one, which you graciously neglected to provide a link to. But this has hit the newsstands in the wake of Canterbury statement:
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/vatican-speaks-out-against-uganda-anti...
http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2009/12/5308/
http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/2009/12/outcry-over-uganda-anti-gay...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrOc6CIQjtc
Panel discussion on “Opposing grave human rights violations on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity”
10 December 2009
Craig, thanks for providing
Craig, thanks for providing the links that Anonymous did not provide. I think you're correct, and that Anonymous's claim that the Vatican has spoken out refers to the statement to which you link.
Note what this statement actually was: a Vatican representative, Fr. Philip Bene, spoke by webcast to a U.N. committee discussing discrimination against LGBT persons. The "Vatican" statement never mentioned Uganda.
It was widely taken to be about Uganda, however, and it was taken to represent Vatican condemnation of the pending legislation in Uganda that may make homosexuality itself susceptible to capital punishment.
My posting starting this sub-thread asks what Benedict has said and why he can't speak out.
And that question remains on the table, when the only statement the "Vatican" has issued is this ambiguous, low-level--though welcome and helpful--response to questions about discrimination against LGBT persons.
Why can't Benedict speak out about Uganda? Rowan Williams did so. What prevents the moral voice of Catholics from speaking?
Why does it take "weeks of
Why does it take "weeks of intense pressure" for the world's religious leaders to do the obvious right thing? Do they act only when their own interests are at risk? They are unworthy of their positions and should resign in shame!
Again, the Vatican denounced
Again, the Vatican denounced it almost immediately. The others took weeks. Also, its a political issue and I thought you lefties didn't want church interfering with the state on these moral issues. You can't have it both ways.
Your statement, "Again, the
Your statement, "Again, the Vatican denounced it almost immediately," is incorrect. Are you deliberately seeking to spread disinformation?
The only statement the "Vatican" has made is a statement made by a low-level Vatican official in a webcast to a U.N. committee on discrimination against LGBT persons. This statement was thought to be alluding to Uganda, but did not ever mention Uganda.
And it was not an "immediate" response to the situation in Uganda. It is a Johnny-come-late response.
Meanwhile, the leader of the worldwide Anglican communion, Rowan Williams, has spoken out. Directly. In his own name. In his own voice.
Benedict has not done so. Benedict remains silent.
Why?
Why do regressive people on
Why do regressive people on the right utter outright lies that fly in the face of reality and the very story before their eyes?
This is not interfering in politics like when the bishops lobby Congress on the abortion provisions in the health care bill.
This non-interfering is like pope Pius XII's silence during the Holocaust. Papa Ratzi, too, will be accused -- even condemned -- of keeping quiet and letting the persecution of Ugandan homosexuals proceed unabashed.
Well I'm very happy that
Well I'm very happy that Rowan Williams finally has spoken up, and that a bit more clearly than is his usual fussy habit when it comes to queer folks facing prejudice, mistreatment, and baseline violence all around our planet. Uganda in fact represents where our real Anglican believer consensus is, at least in significant part; as progressive believers in Los Angeles or Canada or elsewhere also represent a different significant part of where our real Anglican consensus stands. Simply put, the antigay Anglicans would pretty much prefer to maintain three traditional things: (A) special state and church power, and I say power advisedly since power must exist to overrule the citizenship contributions, physical peace and safety, and self-determination of queer folks themselves, ... so power to negatively sanction and punish queer folks as traditionally reserved to straight folks; plus (B) flat earth notions that something unethical obtains for same sex behaviors that does not also obtain for opposite sex behaviors ... this is getting a bit silly and bit odd and a bit crazy, given what we know empirically these days, a repeat of the old straw man intellectual dilemmas that revolved around Galileo-Copernicus-Bruno and the discovery of the Solar System/Cosmos - not territory which yields new truth; plus (C) standard traditional claims that religious people who dilly-dally with prejudice and violence occupy some special higher ethical and religious realm, compared to the dirty awful queer folks on the lower rungs of Creation. If we belivers keep lying down with these dogs, we will continue to scratch and itch with the fleas of violence. Alas. Lord have mercy.
WHAT??? A regligous leader
WHAT??? A regligous leader getting involved with politics? I thought that wasn't allowed if the issue was homosexual marriage or abortion.
The Bishop of Rome has the
The Bishop of Rome has the power to request that his bishops in Uganda speak out clearly and forcefully AGAINST such violent and hate filled anti-homosexual laws but he has not done so. The Archbishop of Canterbury only spoke after enormous prodding and public outcry and his words did not address the repercussions these draconian measures would have on real human beings. This is shameful behavior and it points to the homophobia of both of these "leaders". Silence was their position and nothing was said in a timely fashion that addressed the gravity of violence of these proposed Uganda laws.
Well, well, well. Let's set
Well, well, well. Let's set aside our usual sexual politics - anti/pro homosexuality - for a change, and ask ourselves why most of us have never had similar urgent concerns or instantaneous angery outburts for the 1000s and 1000s of Ugandan children, women and men who continue to be maimed and slaughtered in the northern region of Uganda by some diabolical gang of murderers (call them demented rebels if you will)?
Why are we the so called Christian issue driven in our so called concerns for those who are less fortunate in one way or another?
As we pound on our keyborads in the safe confines of homes/offices/cafes, Catholic children, women and men continue to die needlessly in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Zimbabwe, Uganda and in parts of West Africa, yet one never hears, bloggs or reads about mounted campaign efforts to address their plight. Why is it so? Is it because they are "Africans suffering from self-inflicted African political problems"? Or those people on the African continent?
I am sure if the affected populations were "gay/lesbian Africans" the whole world would have been flooded with horror stories aired 24/7 by all the major news networks. And the UN, European Union, included the lawmakers on Capital Hill (in Washington DC) would have jumped right into action and came to their immediate rescue.
However 'silence has always been the position of many of us living in the western nations and nothing is ever said in a timely fashion that addresses the gravity of wanton destraction of life and property in many African countries.'
And that is very hypocritical of us American/Canadian/British/European Catholics and other Christian groups. Why pick and choose for the sake of expediency and political mileage? WHY?
WHAT A SHAME! WHAT A SHAME! When we turn a blind to those most in need. WHAT A SHAME on us all who never condemn the "shocking severity" of wars, arms sales, economic exploitaion by well known congolamerates and their cohorts.
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