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Unformed future
Gathering pairs ‘necessary unknowing’ with grounded witness
Jul. 21, 2010
In Search of the Emerging Church
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- When Shane Claiborne hops to the podium in the meeting room at the Hotel Albuquerque, he looks as stylistically unbounded as his spiritual quest that’s outlined on a bio sheet. He’s long and lanky with a goatee. He looks bookish in dark-rimmed glasses, his thin face framed by dreadlocks held in place by a handkerchief bandana. He projects a kind of urban underbelly chic with an accent as pure as the early days of NASCAR.
He is a product of East Tennessee Protestant evangelical Christianity transplanted to the Northeast, where he engages in a robust version of Catholic Worker-type community, advocating for the poor and for nonviolent solutions to problems.
Franciscan Fr. Richard Rohr speaks of him as a gifted “third-way person.” In the context of the conference on emerging Christianity he is about to address, he serves as a bridge, and a personification of one version of what might be arising out of what is.
Franciscan Fr. Richard Rohr (Photo/Paul Hebblethwaite)To talk of an emerging church or emerging Christianity is to speak of something that owes a great deal to tradition but that seeks its shape and bearing in ways not yet formed.
That may be the nature of emergence -- that whatever it is never fully arrives all laid out with clear boundaries and certitude, with clear markers so everyone knows who’s in and who’s out. That may also be why the language of those who take the prospect of emergence seriously is so loaded with movement and an impression of travel. Consider the title of the conference held in April in Albuquerque, at which Claiborne spoke: “Emerging Christianity: How We Get there Determines Where We Arrive.” The journey, then, is the place, and the sojourners don’t expect that all the answers will be waiting, like an award for finishing, at the end of some religious obstacle course.
“I hope whatever emerging Christianity is,” said Franciscan Fr. Richard Rohr, a featured speaker at the conference, “it’s going to be much more practice-based than doctrine-based. Where has this obsession with believing correct doctrines gotten us? The Roman church is right back into it, although maybe that’s why God is humiliating us, to say: ‘This obsession with being right and having the whole truth, look where it’s gotten you, Roman church,’ ” he said in a not-so-thinly veiled reference to the then-breaking story that the shadow of the clergy sex abuse scandal had darkened the door of the papal palace. “It might well be in the great scheme of God’s grace the only way to bring us to humility, to balancing all of our absolutely certain knowing with a necessary unknowing.”
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The conference was sponsored by Rohr’s Center for Action and Contemplation, the second of its kind, and the title suggests an expansion of the idea from last year’s conference, which bore the heading, “The Emerging Church.”
Whether a relative handful of people meeting in the New Mexico desert (some 570 people from 45 U.S. states and five other countries) can be considered a measure of new things emerging, only time will tell. Numbers aside, the discussion was broad enough to cross a range of denominational borders and ideological presumptions, and it wasn’t about easy fixes or the simple overthrow of dogma and traditional practice. In fact, in some instances, the case was quite the opposite.
If Rohr, for Catholics, embodies in many ways whatever is left of the renewal impulses of the Second Vatican Council, he also is a leading advocate today of contemplative life, the ancient discipline that has found a resurgence in some unlikely places.
It is an aspect of Christianity that Rohr thinks has been shortchanged in the church over the centuries. He also believes it holds the key -- “nondualistic thinking” -- to the next level of Christian existence. That level, he said, will be one that goes beyond the mind, beyond rationality, beyond ego. “The mind,” he said, “is never going to get us to a great church. It will always create some moral and doctrinal distinctions because that’s the way the ego operates. The ego prefers the dualistic mind.” In contrast, he said, “the soul prefers to embrace things, not to name things. It is what it is without a name. It is what it is as it is. The soul has a different set of eyes, and my assumption is that the soul sees with contemplative eyes. It sees things without needing to label them up or down.”
Respect for not knowing
The discussion of emerging Christianity turns not so much on the difference between the old and the new as on the difference between a spirituality trapped in what Rohr calls a “mode of consciousness” that is constantly taking sides and what he describes (citing the late theologian Jesuit Fr. Karl Rahner) as a consciousness that has “a respect for not knowing, for unknowing.”
If all of that sounds impossibly abstract and noncommittal, Claiborne helps to ground things.
For him, Rohr’s idea of a nondualistic approach to lived belief becomes real in an activism that was unknown in his childhood experience. For Claiborne, emergent Christianity is moving beyond not doctrinal indoctrination and the certitude of systematic theology, but beyond the certainty of salvation, beyond his Bible Belt formation, “where Christianity was a lot more about what we believe than how we act.”
“I kind of stumbled into that [realization] when I began to discover every year that we were going and getting born again, again. We would come forward singing, ‘Just As I Am,’ ” he said, “and leave just as we were. Then I started to read the scripture and I saw that we’re not just called to be believers, but to be disciples and to live out that faith as Jesus did with the same marks of justice, peace and reconciliation.”
Activism and “a vital prayer life” began to take shape, he said, when he moved outside of the environment he grew up in, “away from this pattern of insulating ourselves from suffering.”
As he tells it, he eventually jumped into the deep end of the pool of suffering in inner-city Philadelphia, where he lives in a community called The Simple Way. It is evangelicalism with a new face that finds itself in startlingly new places. Claiborne is a breathless storyteller with a disarming sense of humor, given his material, and as the anecdotes pile on one another, it becomes clear that the activism he practices has a hard and local edge to it. He and others have spent considerable time in courtrooms advocating for the interests of the poor, arguing changes to laws that further marginalize the marginalized and against local gun shops that sell their wares to anyone.
The witness can be as expansive as it is local. He tells of being in Iraq during the initial bombing as a witness against international violence. On another occasion, the community took $10,000 it had received as a gift, money that had been earned on the stock market, and gave it all away in small denominations on Wall Street.
Theatrics aside, Claiborne speaks about transformation in the neighborhood and the long haul of being with people in their circumstances of poverty and alienation. “I’m so excited to be alive today because I think there’s something happening in the church. ... What are some of the marks in the DNA of the current movement that we see in the church that are trying to marry contemplation and action together?
“One of those I would say is that we have a movement in the church that is trying to connect orthodoxy and orthopraxis. We’re not throwing out the things that we believe, but we’re trying to also have practices that work those things out. What has happened in the past few decades is that our Christianity has just been about what we believe, as if our Christianity was just a doctrinal statement. But in Jesus you don’t see a presentation of ideas. You see an invitation to join a movement and the actions of that movement.”
He said he has been working with Rohr’s center on “the new monasticism, to create a resource of spiritual direction and a way of trying to cross-pollinate the older and the younger in the movement” to create stability and the tools for discernment. He warns against “a murky liberalism that leads to sloppy discipleship.” The liberalism he experiences, he said, is a reaction against old legalisms, and he recalls that Dorothy Day, cofounder of the Catholic Worker movement, said “that we of all people have to be disciplined. ... We have to create an environment where it’s easier to be good.”
Critique of liberalism
Liberalism also came in for critique from Cynthia Bourgeault, an Episcopal priest, writer, retreat leader and a longtime practitioner of centering prayer who is deeply interested in restoring the Christian contemplative tradition. She recalled the question she received from a friend and colleague after she had preached an Easter sunrise service. “He said, ‘You mean you really believe in Resurrection?’ I said, ‘You mean you really don’t?’ It was one of those aha moments, to be sure, but it’s an aha moment we will face because a lot of the best theology which is undergirding the sweep into an emergent church really emerges from an academic, rational, polite, pluralistic home that does not take us far enough.”
She recalled the words of Mary Magdalene on Easter morning, “I’ve seen the Lord.”
“From that hushed astonishment and wonder,” said Bourgeault, “she went forth from the garden to first give voice to that message: ‘He is risen. He has risen, indeed.’ ”
Were the details exaggerated? Was it delusion? The result of cover-up? “I think not. Real transmission doesn’t work in that way,” said Bourgeault. “Whatever the details of that reality, the Resurrection and the meeting in the garden, the absolute sense that the disciples bore, that they had met their Lord as a risen presence, was an absolute reality to them, not a belief, not a proposition they were passing on, not a lie, but a reality from the imaginal realm working its way out with an explosion of energy.”
She explained that the term imaginal doesn’t mean imagination. It describes realities that are not made up but that are subtle and not easily perceived “by our usual senses, our coarser, outward-directed five senses tied to our usual mind.” Instead, she said, imaginal reality impresses itself in the still, reflecting mirror of the heart.” It is a realm for which “Jesus had a pet term,” she said. “He called it the kingdom of heaven, and it describes a reality looming on the surface, the dawn with regard to our laws and our world, that from which things emerge.”
It is a realm, as well, that doesn’t depend on the old dualisms, the “either/or” of most organized religion. It is not a realm where “God fits your theology,” said Rohr. “Religious consciousness from the beginning has to have a respect for not knowing, for unknowing. That’s contemplation. That’s the different mind. It is wonderful how broadly and widely and deeply it is being rediscovered.”
Rohr said Rahner believed “the mind’s deepest need is not for answers, but for communion. That might seem surprising and maybe even soft theology,” he said, “but the mind and ego want answers, answers, answers because it gives you a sense of control. The soul doesn’t want answers, it wants meaning.”
[Tom Roberts is NCR editor at large. His e-mail address is troberts@ncronline.org.]
On the Web
Read all of Tom Robert’s articles in the Emerging Church series at NCRon line.org. The direct link is NCRonline.org/blogs/in-search-of-the-emerging-church.







The first Christians didn't
The first Christians didn't call their newfound faith "The Way" by just sitting around & discussing philosophically based doctrinal statements...Christianity is a WAY of life, not a game played in & assented to by the brain.
This is very exciting.
This is very exciting. Referring to the mention of the Resurrection, my thoughts about it are these: Whether or not Jesus actually physically died and rose from the dead is not what gives meaning to my faith. To me, it's not about life after death, it is about meaning of our lives now and how Jesus taught us to live. Whether He died, or escaped to the Orient, or was taken away in a spaceship does not matter to me. His message is what determines my faith. This is the journey.
And, it is heresy, pure and
And, it is heresy, pure and simple. Whether Jesus died or not DOES matter. Whether He rose from the dead DOES matter. St. Paul tells us "if Christ has not risen, your faith is in vain". If Jesus did not die and resurrect, then He is a liar and nothing at all that He said or did should be listened to or followed. If He did not die and rise, then the entire Scriptures is nothing more than lies and stories, not the basis for a vibrant and living faith.
Jesus' life and ministry was about more than saying nice things to people and making them feel good. Jesus' life and ministry was entirely about demonstrating the profound and amazing love of God, that God so loved us sinful people that He chose to sacrifice His own Son for our salvation. God cares so much for us, His creatures, that He defeated death and brought about life for all who believe in Him.
If you are not concerned with the last things, death, judgment, heaven and hell, if it does not matter to you that Jesus died and rose from the dead, then you have utterly and completely misunderstood His message and Saint Paul was right, "your faith is vain".
We're going to be hearing
We're going to be hearing this word a lot in the days that approach. Heresy. Under the strata of horrific betrayal the Uber pope regroups and employs the various strategies that he devised during his 23 year tenure in the Office of the Inquisition. This is no benevolent pastor, this is an apex predator! Cold blooded teutonic shark. Dominance and control.Jesus was a Jew, he died a Jew. Perhaps our only hope is that the time of the gentiles is hastening to it's end and the Prince of the Dawn approaches with the parousia whispering freedom, healing and deliverance.
right, right... so what did
right, right... so what did you think of the article?
I salute the young fellow who
I salute the young fellow who has ventured into the depths of serving the poorest. Bravo! I question 'Father' Rohr's resistance to ecclesial authority. The point about Rome being too doctrinaire is to my way of thinking evidentiary. Father Rohr will no doubt be getting a 'visit' from the folks at head office soon and joining Mathew Fox wherever he may be. I'd say Richard Rohr is right up there on the celibrity list. I wish him no ill. A Catholic priest is called to exemplary holiness which according to 'head office' requires chastity and particularly celibacy.Sine qua non. Get to your Bishop Richard. Your days are numbered. Don't wait for the whole thing to collapse because it isn't going to happen...anytime soon.
Yes I am interested in the 'unitive' way of Jesus. Some folks call it walking in the Spirit. Contemplative prayer? Yes! I've read a LOT of books and practiced 'the presence' also. What a wonder that Jeshua took a broken addict/pervert and brought me to the place of His Holy Embrace. I am a man, I am a son. He made and is making me his own. Blessings on 'Father' Rohr. Catholic priests vow to be celibate. FINE
Catholic education,
Catholic education, Eucharistic Nature and “Nightmarish” History: the objective of education is practical and religious, namely, to find “at-homeness” in the Cosmos and with God. The dominion theology of the patriarchal male has conspired with imperial culture to extract Eucharist from its natural venue and to objectivize it as a device of control. In Roman times, nothing was more dread than the cross and the sword for both were used to instill terror and to administer violence. Except humanity can discover at-homeness in the Cosmos, at-homeness with the God of Nature will not be found.
We belong to the universe, to Earth, as Earth and Universe belong to us. In this reciprocal relationship there is mutual purpose, namely: in holding sacred the Natural Order, humankind treasures it and preserves it in perpetuity. When Nature is violated, exploited to death, repercussions come back full weight on violators. We are there now.
In essence the Great Work proposed by Thomas Berry and joined by David S. Toolan, SJ, is to discover the God of Nature and to worship Divinity in the venue of Revelation. Nature is the Primary Scripture writ bold in the DNA of flesh and blood and in which Divinity Consciousness Self-reveals in intuition (faith) and reason (science,)
Religious education is failing nature, humankind and God. Evolved consciousness brings with it hope for conversion, for redemption. Ecological collapse brings down global economies and religions. The “signs of the times” are there for all to read.
Creationists and evolutionists alike believe in God, and for their lifetimes seek greater intimacy with Divinity. It perhaps is more correct to believe that God seeks greater intimacy with humankind than humankind does with God. In any event, knowledge of nature and intimacy with God are the great works of creation/evolution. Knowledge is intimacy and intimacy is knowledge — to own “Divinity Consciousness” is to open oneself to greater experience of intimacy with God and creation.
Quantum science opens new insights into new experiences of nature and people — instructive of Divinity. New insights are continually available in the intimate working of God and nature, without ever exhausting the mystery. Awareness of the oneness of all things becomes ever more amazing, inspiring and humbling as we learn more about the nature of wave/particle dynamics and Divine Intentions.
From the Christian point of view, the summit insight of intimacy and transformation is Eucharist, in terms both of religion and science, faith and reason. The convergence of purpose, human and divine, is the mutual motive of faith and reason. Until now, faith and reason work at cross-purposes in religious culture and people’s lives. This schizophrenia is intolerable for it is at the root of self-wasting and destruction of global ecologies.
The primary lessons of religious and civil life are to be found in evolving life’s scriptures. If we are eager to learn to be at home with God, we will be eager to understand where it is that God Self-reveals. In learning to be “At Home in the Cosmos” we learn how to be more familiar with God and how God is familiar with us.
The summation of symbiotic laws that compels all life is: that individual life exists for other, what is “Eucharist.”. Individual life fails in self-fulfillment unless it enters its role in life with intimacy, understanding and purpose. In his book, “At Home in the Cosmos,” Jesuit priest, theologian, former Associate Editor of AMERICA Magazine, David S. Toolan speaks compellingly to the at-home sense of Eucharist. (© 2001, published by Orbis Books, P.O. Box 308, Maryknoll, NY 10545-0308). Father Toolan writes:
“…within the great span of evolution, we [humankind] represent a turning point for nature… Two significant events happen simultaneously, or converge, once humans emerge from the prebiotic soup… [First] consciousness or mindedness…would not be there except for participation in the mindfulness of the Poet-Maker of all things… Secondly… consciousness is also nothing else than great nature more or less awake and reflective… the spiritual task is to deepen our inwardness and at the same time intensify our outer associations, and therewith, stretch our imaginations and understandings to include as much of this world as we can tend and care for. We are nature’s black box, her vessel of soul-space — and hence her last best chance to become spirited, to be the vessel of God, the carrier of the message that all creation is not only “very good,” but glorified. That’s the script, the big theo-logical drama. (pg 216)
“A post-Einsteinian cosmos reconnects us with these natural wonders…we can now understand ourselves as no longer alien intruders in the cosmos, but belonging. The universe’s history, its groaning to give birth to something glorious, comes together in us. The great outdoors is inside us, and we are its interiority.
“It’s as if all the stardust in our DNA, the microbes that swim in our cells, the humble algae that give us breathable atmosphere—yes, all of nature—were expectant, waiting on us to finish the cosmic symphony…
“..We are members of the orchestra, the choir in a great project, a ‘mystery hidden from the foundation of the world.’ (pg 214)
“What is our function, our great work, in the vast cosmos? What are we here for? ‘Do this in memory of me,’ the man said. We have work to do — good work. (pg 213)
“Jesus identifies with the earth. And consecrates the earth to new purposes. Of bread and wine, he says, ‘This is my body, take and eat…This is my blood take and drink.’
“There are no hysterics here, no magic, simply the highly charged action of a man who knows he will die in the morrow and must make every word and gesture count. Two great movements converge in what Jesus shows here: the everlasting desire of cosmic dust to mean something great, and God’s promise that it shall be done. There is first a centripetal movement. We the followers and disciples center in on Jesus, identify, become one with him. Then there is the centrifugal decentralizing movement. Jesus, both conduit of Spirit-energy, and cosmic dust himself, freely identifies himself with us and with the fruits of the earth — the ash of a dying star present in bread and wine — and converts these gifts of earth, the work of human hands, into another story than the nightmarish one we have been telling with this.” (pg 210)
Knowledge and intimacy open us to escape from the “nightmarish” dream to a vision of hope and expectation.
A lot of words, but I am
A lot of words, but I am confused - have reread your comments three times and do not know what point(s) you are trying to make? Are you implying Rohr is not chaste? Is not celibate? All I have ever read or heard about/through Richard Rohr is about living the gospel values in the here and now. And that there is room for everyone in the kingdom of God - those who march in step to the "doctrinaire" emphasis of Rome - prefering Rome to be their conscience so they don't have to develop one of their own - to those who rely on doctrine, Scripture, their life experiences, their studies of many documents, and mostly to rely on prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit to form their own individual conscience and responsibility for acting on it. Rohr does not rely on Rome to save his soul - he relies on his own discernment in following the teachings of Christ. As apparently does the "young fellow" you refer to -who has a name - Shane Claiborne. Many of us remain active members of the Catholic Church, in spite of SOME of what Rome dishes out. Rohr is about leading a contemplative life - which is about resting in the presence of God -and then discerning what God is calling you to do in the world and getting out there and doing it. Rome coming after him? I doubt it. What can they do? Banish him to the desert? He is already there.
Yes he is in the desert and I
Yes he is in the desert and I pray Rome lets him stay there as a priest. Some of us are quite committed to following the Spirit in our home community and have a belief that it is not necessary to abandon the ship but ride it into the future dispite the storms and deaths we will have to embrace.
My sincere apologies to all
My sincere apologies to all readers/participants for my RANT re: His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. I am returning to the 'Lord' with all my heart. I desire only to be found in his companionship. I amend my calumnious ways. I am contrite. I pray for Benedict and the body of Christ, the anointed ONE. I will return to the sacraments and the body of Christ in local expression. I know now that I am loved.I am deeply broken, a 'love cripple', and I am also a member of his bride the church. Beyond male and female, slave and free. Stay tuned, the Bridegroom approaches!
Who doesn't love a party? Jesus did!
Thank you Brother Joseph. Of
Thank you Brother Joseph. Of course the Resurrection is key to what we believe...it explains all that went on before...and our response to it.
Dear Br Joseph ... we are not
Dear Br Joseph ... we are not engaged in a zero sum game, and neither was the Christ. Who Jesus was, what His coming meant, what His death meant, and what HIs resurrection meant, are indeed vital and very important aspects of Christology that are essential to our own fate. True enough. Yet Jesus engaged in a whole lot more than being born, dying, and raised from the dead. He lived a life and taught many things.
Those who stress Christology to the exclusion of other things miss half of what it's all about. Those who stress Christian living and doing, to the exclusion of Christology, also miss half of what it's about.
One can and must do both. Fully aware of the significance of Christ, and mindful of his sacrifice for us, mindful of the Sacraments left to us, mindful of the significance of his being raised from the dead, we must also embark upon a course of action on behalf of the widows, the orphans, the poor, the outcasts, the shunned, and the sinners, all those whose situational ancestors Jesus loved and advocated for. In so doing we will alleviate suffering and bring millions to conversion to the Faith as well. One can preach without using words, and thanks to the holy one whose words I paraphrased.
Brother Joseph, I agree with
Brother Joseph, I agree with much of what you wrote, but I think we must discard the notion that (in your words) "[the Father] chose to sacrifice His own Son for our salvation." This phraseology suggests a mean, dysfunctional god, not the God of unconditional love whose Son walked among the human family to show us how to live life according to the Father's wishes.
JPII once wrote that we make our own hells. In Luke 15, we have the three parables of the lost sheep, lost coin, and lost son, all of which Jesus used to teach us that it is God, not man, who leads us to our heavenly reward. The coin, like the lost sheep, cannot find its owner. The prodigal son never repents for his disgraceful behavior toward his father. Yet, in spite of the lad's desperation and lack of repentance, the father gives a lavish banquet to celebrate the fact that his son "has been found." In the Creed, of course, we express our belief that Jesus descended into hell. Why? To save only the just? Or to bring all the "lost" back to their Father? If Luke 15 is any indication, I think it's for the latter reason.
We unfortunately have many hierarchs who misportray Jesus and the Father as vengeful, judging, condemning fellas rather than the Pure Love that even a conservative pope has acknowledged recently. These prelates are truly orthotoxic to the gospel message and the Savior they claim to be serving.
"And Jesus wept."
Did Jesus say that he was
Did Jesus say that he was resurrected, or did some of the earliest Christians say that about him? If they believed that and said it, but it happened not to be literally true, would they be lying, or simply mistaken? Or something else?
Brother Joseph, for someone
Brother Joseph, for someone apparently committed to the Christian life, your response to a clearly loving and enthusiastic person ring awfully harsh and judgmental, sounding to my ear as though you are the one who has "utterly and completely misunderstood his message," the Prime Directive straight from the mouth of Divine Wisdom ... to love God and to love one another. THAT was his message and everything else is folded into it in one way or another. It is an instruction about choosing to love instead of merely obeying out of fear of judgment and hell. Of course, we are all flawed and that Prime Directive is damned hard to truly live, as you have so aptly demonstrated by your ungenerous remarks to dear anonymous; if we were able to actually do it, all the rest would take care of itself. Please try a little harder to keep that in mind next time you decide to admonish someone. As for me, I think maybe you just need a hug.
I suspect you are in the
I suspect you are in the running for the NCR reader of the year. At least you have the integrity to admit your lack of faith. I admire your honesty.
Absolutely right! It is about
Absolutely right! It is about Jesus' message as it pertains to the NOW - now, this moment. The Kingdom of God is at hand. Eternity is NOW. Death of the ego, the small self that serves "me" comes at the hands of love throughout life. So death matters in many ways. Jesus believed so fervently that love and peace should prevail AND that the physical world of form was not a complete reality (that is, that the spirit transcends the physical) that he allowed the woeful nature of the collective egos of society to put him to death (as still happens if one is approaches life with a completely loving and vulnerable tact - you all know that, because every one of you has experienced it). Jesus' message is about more than his physical death and resurrection. MUCH MORE. Jesus' message is about equality,servanthood, love, suffering,persistance,faith, trust...the Kingdom of God is within you - within you - within you and at hand. Love sacrifices everything to be love and love always wins. Every moment of eternity. That is Jesus' message and it cannot be interpreted entirely within a physical world, linear time perspective.
Good article. My wife and I
Good article. My wife and I attended the first conference in person, the second one on the web. Both were exciting and satisfying. I used to be a wholehearted "company man" as a priest in the Episcopal Church, and I've learned a great deal about what more is out there than the party line in the last few years from Richard Rohr, Brian McLaren, Phyllis Tickle and others. They are putting into words and actions lots of what I've not articulated very well in my own ministry in later years, and it is very affirming.
Excellent article. The eye
Excellent article. The eye of contemplation transcends the rational mind and all its distinctions, liberal vs. conservative, even good vs. evil. It loves rather than analyzes, joins vs. divides. Sadly, in most people, including most church leaders, that eye is closed.
This is a reply worth keeping
This is a reply worth keeping long after this article is gone. Many Thanks.
I was indeed very happy to
I was indeed very happy to read your article and felt at home with all that you are saying. I am passing it on to others who may enjoy connecting with you.
"Roman Church?" You mean the
"Roman Church?" You mean the church that lends Fr. Rohr credibility? That Roman Church? As opposed to, say, The Episcopal Church, where Fr. Rohr might be more at home - but then his opinions would be so common as to be unremarkable. We couldn't have that, could we?
Your cynicism saddens me as I
Your cynicism saddens me as I think it should you.
I'm a realist, not a cynic.
I'm a realist, not a cynic.
What a pitiful response. Why
What a pitiful response. Why can't he say what he means? Why does he have to breathlessly agree?
"Roman" Church? In the US, it's the Irish church, especially the hierarchy.
Are you trying to reduce this
Are you trying to reduce this profound and thoughtful article and its subject to another "us/them" scenario? I'm at home and at peace with whomever God has given a revelation of divine love and what it means to live and move in that divine love. I found the lack of cynicism and suspicion (which taints the cynic and the subject) refreshing in this article. Very affirming - keep up the good work!
Thanks Mary, you said it
Thanks Mary, you said it better then I did.
All catholics are not part of
All catholics are not part of the Roman Church. The Catholic Church envisioned by the Second Vatican Council is alive, well and growing, but, unfortunately, the Roman Church is being led to irrelevance by its past two popes. Fr. Rohr does not need validation from any hierarchy to lend him credibility. The evidence of the validation of the Holy Spirit is evident by the fruits of his labors.
Very well said Fr. Bill. You
Very well said Fr. Bill. You must be a Jesuit - fewer words - better clarity.
While I can get excited about
While I can get excited about this kind of conference, and this kind of article, I am left with the fierce conundrum that Jesus' message and life was simple. One could not preach this article on a Sunday morning. The efforts to analyze and intellectualize the simplicity of God's love, his Word, the emerging church can make the eyes glaze over. When that happens, we're mssing something. Nothing Jesus said or did was cause for napping.
Who did Jesus bring his word to? And then, by treating the least as our brothers and sisters, the "rest" are threatened; indeed, kingdoms, empires, religious doctrine is threatened by caring for the poor. Why?
The mind and ego really don't want answers. They want their questions to have meaning; they want their energies to open eyes, to create movement, to see. Once the mind and ego sees, it knows and feels compelled to act. Love is a verb. Do it.
Thanks Tom for a wonderful
Thanks Tom for a wonderful article which fills me with hope.
As a Religious, I'd like to
As a Religious, I'd like to think that this spirit brought me to a community of Mother Seton. After forty-seven years, this is so supportive. Thanks.
Thank you for an inspiring
Thank you for an inspiring article. I call myself an 'emerging Catholic' and I think Fr. Rohr and Shane Claiborne are a powerful combined voice for those of us who love the Roman Church AND want to live our traditions and faith as well as believe them.
In all error there is truth.
In all error there is truth.
My belief in Jesus Christ as
My belief in Jesus Christ as God in the flesh and second member of the Holy Trinity comes from the grasping of His doctrine of the Holy Bible which requires heart, mind, body and soul honor to God, and to love my fellow man as I love myself. I must be forgiving, never judgemental [He is the judge], and study His Word to show myself approved. Not approved for acceptance by Him, He rejects no one who seeks Him in ernest, but to be approved to know what His word says and how to apply it. This requires much cross-referencing, historical research and prayer for guidance. We, as Christians must also guard against false witnesses and feel-good religion. Christ said in John that not everyone who cries Lord, Lord will receive salvation. The path is truly narrow, and can never be tied to the broader road of the secular world that He says leads to destruction. We are in the world but not of the world may be the best teaching tool of all. To humble ourselves before Him and to repent of our sins, and ask Jesus to be our Savior, our intercessor to almighty God, and seek His plan for our lives, then obey - this is His Gospel. May He reign supreme in your life.
Reverend Bourgeault reminds
Reverend Bourgeault reminds us poignantly we need to still have grounding in what we believe. Excellent point:
“He said, ‘You mean you really believe in Resurrection?’ I said, ‘You mean you really don’t?’ It was one of those aha moments, to be sure, but it’s an aha moment we will face because a lot of the best theology which is undergirding the sweep into an emergent church really emerges from an academic, rational, polite, pluralistic home that does not take us far enough."
She recalled the words of Mary Magdalene on Easter morning, “I’ve seen the Lord.”
“From that hushed astonishment and wonder,” said Bourgeault, “she went forth from the garden to first give voice to that message: ‘He is risen. He has risen, indeed.’ ”
Were the details exaggerated? Was it delusion? The result of cover-up? “I think not. Real transmission doesn’t work in that way,” said Bourgeault. “Whatever the details of that reality, the Resurrection and the meeting in the garden, the absolute sense that the disciples bore, that they had met their Lord as a risen presence, was an absolute reality to them, not a belief, not a proposition they were passing on, not a lie, but a reality from the imaginal realm working its way out with an explosion of energy.”
Meeting the Risen Lord in our work and faith- experiencing Jesus not just as part of a conscious recollection of doctrine...but experiencing the Resurrection of our Lord to the very core of our being- much like unconscious breathing- is the key to the emerging Transformational Church....the unknown and known Kingdom of Heaven.
I have a sneaking suspicion
I have a sneaking suspicion that every single Catholic has a unique image/thought/belief/idea about Jesus, the Trinity, God, the Paschal Mystery, angels, saints, soul, spirit, faith, sacrament, the Real Presence, free will, Mary, miracles, heaven, hell, purgatory, etc. I also have a sneaking suspicion that our religious and spiritual words--which might look similar to the words of other Catholics--translate differently for each of us. That brings me to the point of belief in Jesus' death and resurrection. What do YOU think it REALLY means that Jesus rose from the dead? When did it happen? How did it happen? What kind of body did he have? We have images in our minds from books, holy cards, movies, and the bible stories we heard in school and church. We may answer, "I don't know. It's a mystery." Hence, we avoid being labeled a heretic. Well, for me, I'd rather have somebody tell me what they really think and feel and take the risk of being different from somebody else than to be afraid of being "wrong." I'm going to bet that millions of Catholics have millions of different ideas about this. To say that this is what it means to be Catholic, as we struggle with our own attempts to understand, is much more honest.
What kind of credibility
What kind of credibility could the Roman Catholic Church give anybody? Who would want credibility from the RCC?
Mark Andrews. You sound very
Mark Andrews. You sound very much like the Pharisees and priests of Jesus time. We all need to be open to dialogue, which means listening, contemplating, speaking. Our temptation is to debate, which means I'm right and you're wrong, (or vice-versa) and in most cases that is simply not the case. There is truth on both sides. But like our political parties, we want to be right, and look where that has gotten our government. No dialogue, no collaboration, no learning from one another. The message I read from the Gospels is pretty clear, no laws, rituals, demands. Love your God with your whole heart and your neighbor as yourself so that "all may have life and have it to the full." John 10:10 (and "all" did not exclude the "outcasts" with whom Jesus broke bread, sat, healed, spoke to, etc.) Richard Rohr's words are right. We have for years counted out other Christians, the "Protestants" because we were always right, and our way was the only right way, kind of like the words some folks used against the protesters of the Vietnam war. "USA, love it or leave it."
I have long thought that true
I have long thought that true Christians are not whose who possess the Truth, but who are possessed by the Truth. They are "Christians without Borders" refusing the shameful divisions of ecclesiastical Apartheid.
"Christians without Borders".
"Christians without Borders". I like that, Damian. Thanks. And yes, "ecclesiastical Apartheid". Two words that say so much and say it accurately.
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