Pope receives English translation of Roman Missal

Te deum laudamus!

The reform of the reform marches forward. Thank GOD!!!!!!

The only change I would make would be to substistute "of the same substance" for "consumbtantial" in the credo.

Finally! It's about time... Deo Gratias.

Of course, it will be the parish priests that will be on the front lines having to deal with the people's responses to the "Roman Missal" that is so aptly named. Many priests do not look forward to being the ones to have to present this piece of awkward English to their parishioners. And I feel sympathy for them. This translation does not respect the language of a people, and thus does not respect the people who speak it, either.

The Lord of the Sabbath, who stated that the Sabbath was made for US---did not speak in Latin----but in the common vernacular of His people. All English speaking people, should have the same privilege to pray in the ordinary vernacular. Latin is not a sacred language. Forcing an English translation from this dead language---it turning the living worship of the Living God----into a dead worship.

As is right now---there is a vast multitude of Catholics who haven't a clue that this change is coming into their churches, soon. It should be interesting to see the reactions.

If, in part, it still claims that "For us MEN and for our salvation He came down from heaven", then it reveals a sad truth about our hierarchy. Unfortunately, this is not the only problem with those who are in charge. I pray that our Church is soon cleansed of its corrupt leadershiup.

What is missing from this article is reference to the document that has led to this flawed version: Liturgim authenticum. The word-for-word principle that it demands for translation is just plain silly. Living in a bilingual culture in my region in Canada, people on the street as well as scholars know you can't translate word for word. The principle of "dynamic equivalence" that characterized the previous work for over 40 years respects this commonsense principle. That alone is enough to send this version to the dumpster: it is built on a flawed foundation.

Additionally, having seen some of the prayers in the late drafts, the cerebral and snobby forms (not sacred), as well as a few prayers that have no place in any sacred text with their military undertones, there is much cause for discouragement. It is not the necessity of change that will be challenging, for new translations are always needed and updated prayers to replace weaker ones, but rather it is the wholesale hijacking of what is the prayer of the church (think plural, the praying community). The Rite of Christian initiation of Adults is a fine example of a ritual book that balances the different ways of praying and thus truly represents the church. Again, power seems to be at the heart of this very weak version, "gold edges" notwithstanding.

As for the implementation. It won't be pretty.

No, if you are seventy-three it will not be as "dramatic" as going from Latin to English. But it will be far more painful for those who have prayed these texts in their own language for forty years as well as those who have known them for five.

But then, a good number of people in church on Sunday weren't around (or are too young to remember) the change from Latin to English, and for that fairly large group the change will be dramatic as well as painful.

When you are proposing marriage to the person you hope will be your husband or wife, do you pull out a piece of paper and read what someone else has written for the occasion?

For the same reason, when I pray, I really feel that I should be using my own words. Is reciting someone else's way of saying things the best I can do with a God whom I am in love with?

It's payback time. I've always been happy with what we've got. Always will!

The proper response of the laity to this new translation will be what Pope John Paul II called "the active passivity of silence."

Despite the many issues surrounding this translation it has just been bullied in like so many things in the Church. The abuse of power continues in our Church. In South Africa we have been using the first half of this translation and it is horrible. Despite the numerous voices saying please rethink this we have simply just been imposed upon. I wonder why I should continue going to mass at all. Its simply an occassion of frustration and sin. Its time to look at other Churches.

God Bless Pope Benedict XVI and the Catholic Church.

Catholicism in the King´s English, the imperial tongue of our vicious oppressor, who cut out our tongue, who starved our children, who slaughtered our Jesuits, nuns, religious, who forced our sacred liturgies to hide in the hedgerows . . .

Catholicism in the language of our eradicator, in the langauge of warfare, of warmongering, of warmaking

in the language of Cromwell . . .

a real nonstarter and cannot lead to peace, to just community in love

only to greater division, as my accent is not your accent, my silence not your rote ritual recitation

Come to the Spanish Mass, and pray in peace, and in loving community, in tolerance and acceptance.

con Amor.

God unfolds within the breaking of the tortilla

This is a text assembled by members of the hierarchy involved in the cover-up of rampant priest sexual abuse. I want no part of it.

Whether or not there are "recentions" I want NOTHING TO DO with the new text. I will not reply to it, I will not say it, I WILL NOT sing it, I will not give any recognition to it! It simply does not exist for me and my family.

Our family will celebrate the current Vatican II liturgy around our dinner table. We will consecrate our own bread and wine and then receive communion as did the Early Church.

And Cardinal George nor any other cardinal, or bishop or priest has any power over me.

Let the games begin!
http://www.whatifwejustsaidwait.org/compare.htm

Memo to current pope:
What if WE just said NO?

Finally! I can't recall when NCR actually reported such GOOD news to us all.

I support this new translation. The old translation was a very poor translation into English (my high school atheist Latin teacher used to use it to show students how NOT to translate!). This one is beautiful, respects the intellect of the laity, and is overall a very beautiful piece.

Wonderful.The screams of agony from the liberal priests,nuns and laity who hate this so much will be as sweet as Gregorian Chant.Payback is a !@#$% aint it folks.Too bad it took 40 years to get it right.Lets see what Cardinal Mahony has to say...Oh wait he is being replaced with an Opus Dei bishop lol...nevermind.

Great reason to sleep in on Sundays.

Beginning with JPII's pontificate, events leading up to this development have been a farce, a sham.

"Just say NO."

Don't let the "boys" in Rome and elsewhere use you as an ecclesial doormat.

Reject this upcoming crap and tell your pastor and your local hierarch that you don't want them using it, either.

Stop tithing. Stop enabling.

Take some responsibility for the future direction of the Church of Rome.

Support Vatican II's call for renewal.

Excellent. Can't wait for "change".

"Many will find it hard to adjust to unfamiliar texts after nearly 40 years of continuous use of the previous translations," the pope said, which is why "the change will need to be introduced with due sensitivity."

"Many will find it hard to adjust to Benedict after 5 years of continuous use of lies and cover-ups."

"Due Sensitivity" means "immediately and with great haste!"

"The new English-language Missal is a translation of the Latin edition officially promulgated by Pope John Paul II in 2000 and released in 2002."

Why do we need a TRANSLATION from Latin? English can stand on its own, thank you very much! Neither JPII nor B16 could speak English as well as a two-year-old child could.

Why does "the change" need to be introduced at all? And why does it have to be across the board. (For the benefit of the Holy Father, ‘across the board’ means 'affecting everyone.' The New, read: Old Missal could be a Book of Alternative Services to be used as the occasion arises. But that would be too simple. Better to cause a general upheaval and widespread discontent.

Why are only ENGLISH liturgies targeted? Is this some kind of punishment, such as the investigation of United States Religious Sisters, and no other Sisters in the world? I am sure that "other countries will be targeted." But that will happen only at the Second Coming.

And what is so great about Latin? Most people do not know what they are saying or praying in Latin. It just appears to carry strong emotional baggage. Why can't we sing beautiful Gregorian Chant and other Latin hymns, masses and cantatas and remember what a great language it WAS? The Christian liturgy was not intended as a PERFORMANCE starring the priest! When did priests shun the role of SERVANT and become STARS?

"Kyrie Eleison" is Greek, as were the first liturgies in the Church from the First Century on until Constantine turned the church into an empire and Latin took over by decree. Why not return to Greek? It is the language of the New Testament. That would serve two purposes: liturgy and scripture.

"Many will find it hard to adjust to Benedict after 5 years of continuous use of lies and cover-ups. Perhaps one day he will learn what due (or any kind of) sensitivity is."

At long last!

Amen! More of the authentic fruition of Vatican II. Thank you, bishops.

This is great news. I'm really looking forward to the implementation of this new translation although I have no idea when it will reach Irish shores. And for what it's worth, I am 28 years old. I find that objections to the new translation are from people of a certain age with a particular ideology, which is typically not in harmony with an authentic interpretation of the Second Vatican Council. God bless our Holy Father Benedict XVI for all the good work he is doing in restoring our Catholic identity.

"While Catholics definitely will notice the new translation, Cardinal George said, the change will be 'far less dramatic than going from Latin to English was.'"

I don't think the change from Latin to English was “dramatic.” Catholics eagerly anticipated the change from a foreign language (Latin) to the vernacular. VERNACULAR, Cardinal George. That meant "from Latin to all languages in countries all over the world." It was not just "Latin to English," although it seems that the Pope is obsessed with what people are praying in English. Most Catholics are NOT anticipating this change. I, personally, have already cut my donation to my parish IN HALF. (My weekly contribution was in the top 5 of a parish of 3500 families.) The other half will be discontinued when congregations are FORCED to accept the "New (OLD) Roman Missal." What was that date? Advent 2011? On that date, our Pastor would like to thank you personally for destroying what was a vital, active, thriving parish!

WHY IS ENGLISH THE ONLY LANGUAGE *TARGETED* FOR REVISION? Is that where the conservative money is? You, George, and the whole Vatican crowd have sold out the people of the English Speaking world for much more than 30 pieces of silver.

WHAT ARE THE DATES FOR THE REVISION OF THE LITURGY IN ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD?

All one can say is: It's about time!

"Finally! It's about time... Deo Gratias."
"The reform of the reform marches forward. Thank GOD!!!!!!"
"The only change I would make would be to substistute "of the same substance" for "consumbtantial" in the credo."

The above statements are indicative of what a prominent theologian calls, "life above the river." “Above the river” is where most Catholics are, while a small percentage are below the river, that is, living life in the now -- the sacrament of the present moment and in unity with God. Through prayer and contemplation this small number of people "see," "taste" and are in "awe" before an underlying mystery.

Following the close of Vatican II this type of immersion in the river was readily preached in the Sunday homilies and was available to all in the parish. People joined groups and nourished their spiritual life. However, thanks to JPII and now Benedict 16 there are almost two generations of people living above the river with no religious thought or study of their own, and not being offered the opportunity of “getting wet.” These good and holy souls are content with coming to church during the week and listening to tapes of (for example) "The Song of Bernadette" as their parish involvement. They deserve so much more.

What a shame that the dreams that issued from Vatican II are not being dreamed any more. How terrible that such a beautiful work of God is so maligned by the hierarchy. It is no coincidence that the Holy Spirit chose the "Year of the Priest" to unveil the most horrendous information about John Paul II and Benedict 16.

And each day there is a new and upsetting revelation of poor papal leadership.

Isn’t anyone noticing?

Since Vatican II, the rites of the Eastern Catholic Churches have been rendered into English in a similar style as the new Roman translation, and it has not hindered the laity in any manner or form.

This will become a bigger disaster than anyone can imagine! To accompany weak and boring preaching we will now have inexplicably poor English to pray with. The discordant tones of this imposed fundamental latinese will shock and dismay most educated and thinking Catholics. This is a big caliber rifle aimed squarely at shooting Mass attendance in both feet.

this will be like switching from Walter Cronkite, say, to Wm. F. Buckley Jr. Except that the latter for all his convulution and pretention did manage always to get the grammar right.

This is definitely good news. It is a move in the direction of the English translation more accurately reflecting the authentic Catholic theology of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass found in the original Latin formulation of the Roman Missal. Faithful English speaking Catholics have waited long enough to be free of the current loosy-goosy vernacular translation's ode to pseudo-Catholic/neo-Protestant theology of the Eucharist. Hopefully this new Roman Missal as well as the positive effect that the increasingly disseminated Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite (as well as the Anglo-Catholic liturgy envisioned for the forhcoming Anglican Ordinariate) will speed up the restoration of dignity, reverence, solemnity, and sense of mystery to the Ordinary Form that were scandalously lost over the past 40 year-long liturgical desert. In other words, its time to put the felt banners, incense bowls, prancing dancers, and all the other "creativity" away and start dusting off some of those Latin responses and Gregorian chants that are the true treasures of our tradition.

Conspiracy theories, anyone? Some of these commenters need to get over themselves.

It is out on the Net yet? Where can I find a copy?

We were living in Japan when the vernacular Mass was instituted. It was a bit difficult when at a Japanese service ( very small communities) but it was wonderful at the base. We knew what we were saying on a very deep level. We smiled a lot. When the children went to communion in joy and not worrying if they told the priest everything, it was joyous. Only the church ever said that a newborn was already a sinner. How awful. Vatican !! did away with much of that and for years the CCD program was happy and helpful in teaching children to develop a relationship with their God. The Holy Spirit was with us all and the singing of the children was full=throated and happy. I don't remember such happiness among us children growing up.
Yes, we can talk to God at our level, in our words without fear or worry that we are doing it wrong. We are made in His Image, the Holy Spirit dwells in us and among us and we do not need nerdy translations of dead languages to make ourselves understood. I like this silence idea. Let us hear God when he wants to make himself heard to each one us. No need to summon him - he is always there. No need to impress him with grandiose phrases - he sees thru deception. And no numbers of fancy words can hide the evil of the Church today.

Jesus did NOT speak Latin! We should return to Aramaic. Thank God I won't have to deal with this awkward translation.

There's a reason that one of the oldest and most traditional forms of Catholic prayer is MUMBLING. I look forward to learning the new tongue as needed!

Since the new Roman Missal will be translated literally from the Latin (which Jesus did not speak) we will now have to hear the priest say "for you and for many" instead of "for you and for all" during the consecration. Apparentally, the Church has now embraced predestination. Calvin and the Presbyterians will be thrilled!

I suspect that many of today's Catholics either are not going to know the meaning of words such as "ineffable," or find phrases such as "run forth with righteous deeds" and "pursue their effects (of Lenten observances) by a worthy way of life" so awkward and convoluted that their central ideas are lost. Is the litugy to become again the possession of the clerical class?

As a young newly ordained priest,
I thank God for this new translation and for our Holy Father. May the Lord give him many healthy, happy and holy years. Some wonder why "English" is "targeted." It's not. The document on translations is binding on all vernacular languages. But, English is particularly important considering that many countries do use English as a guide to translate into their own language. This will help there translations to be a more faithful expression of the Roman Rite, which, unfortunately, we have to remind some readers that it's the Roman Rite we celebrate. What an honorable tradition we have received from the ancient Roman Christians. I think that this more exalted form of English will totally transform the atmosphere in the sacred liturgy, and that's what liberals are afraid of. Good bye folk masses and hello divine mystery and ineffable beauty.

The translation is simply poor english. It will chase teenagers away sooner and less will find their way back.