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Archbp defends school's booting children of lesbians
DENVER -- The decision to refuse re-enrollment at a Boulder Catholic school to two children of lesbian parents was the only outcome that was fair to the children, their teachers, school parents and "the authentic faith of the church," said Denver Archbishop Charles J. Chaput.
"Our schools are meant to be 'partners in faith' with parents," the archbishop said in a column published in the March 10 issue of the Denver Catholic Register, the archdiocesan newspaper. "If parents don't respect the beliefs of the church, or live in a manner that openly rejects those beliefs, then partnering with those parents becomes very difficult, if not impossible.
"It also places unfair stress on the children, who find themselves caught in the middle, and on their teachers, who have an obligation to teach the authentic faith of the church," he added.
Archbishop Chaput, whose archdiocese includes Boulder, was commenting on the case of two children whose parents, a lesbian couple, were enrolling them at Sacred Heart of Jesus School. The couple was told that their older child, who was being enrolled for kindergarten next year, could attend kindergarten but could not continue into first grade after that. The younger child could be enrolled in preschool for next year but could not continue into kindergarten the following year, school officials said.
The primary purpose of Catholic schools, the archbishop said, is "to form students in Catholic faith, Catholic morality and Catholic social values." But he said that did not mean the schools only accept Catholic students with married parents.
"Many of our schools also accept students of other faiths and no faith, and from single-parent and divorced-parent families," he said. "These students are always welcome so long as their parents support the Catholic mission of the school and do not offer a serious counterwitness to that mission in their actions."
Archbishop Chaput said archdiocesan policy on school admissions "was followed faithfully" by the staff at Sacred Heart of Jesus School.
The policy reads in part: "Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment. To allow children in these circumstances to continue in our school would be a cause of confusion for the student in that what they are being taught in school conflicts with what they experience in the home."
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Father Bill Breslin, pastor of Sacred Heart of Jesus Parish, had a similar message in a March 5 note to parishioners and school parents.
"If a child of gay parents comes to our school, and we teach that gay marriage is against the will of God, then the child will think that we are saying their parents are bad," Father Breslin said. "We don't want to put any child in that tough position -- nor do we want to put the parents, or the teachers, at odds with the teachings of the Catholic Church."
Archbishop Chaput noted in his column that "the church does not claim that people with a homosexual orientation are 'bad,' or that their children are less loved by God."
"Quite the opposite," he said. "But what the church does teach is that sexual intimacy by anyone outside marriage is wrong; that marriage is a sacramental covenant; and that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman."
Father Breslin said he did not understand why "good parents (would) want their children to learn something they don't believe in."
"There are so many schools in Boulder that see the meaning of sexuality in an entirely different way than the Catholic Church does," he added. "Why not send their child there?"
Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of Dignity USA, which describes itself as an organization of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Catholics but has no official church status, said in a statement that the school's decision "cannot be understood as anything other than discrimination on the back of a child."
"The archdiocese has chosen to selectively enforce Catholic rules about families while trampling on core Catholic values of compassion equality and love," she added. "This is tragic for the family involved and for all who turn to church officials for moral guidance."







'"If a child of gay parents
'"If a child of gay parents comes to our school, and we teach that gay marriage is against the will of God, then the child will think that we are saying their parents are bad," DUH! That's because you are saying that their parents are bad! Why not open your mind, and consider the possibility that two people, regardless of their genitalia, who are in love and committed to each other for life can be married? This limited, narrow world view that you hold to so tightly is so CONTRARY to the open-minded, inclusive, compassionate, understanding view of Jesus. By refusing to be open to the teachings of Jesus, it puts you outside of the generic term "Christian". Shame on you Your Most Holy and High Eminence Chaput! I wonder why Jesus never used such adjectives to describe his position! From where I stand, I will follow Jesus and his teachings and not those of Chaput.
You say you are following
You say you are following Jesus. That is good. The Jesus of the gospels is indeed compassionate, but he is also uncompromising on the moral law revealed in Scripture. That same moral law unequivically condemns homosexual acts. Moreover, the Jesus of the gospels founded the Church, through which he continues to act and to teach. You cannot reject the Church and still claim to be listening to Jesus. To paraphrase Cyprian of Carthage: You cannot have God for your Father if you do not have the Church for your mother.
The Jesus of the Gospels
The Jesus of the Gospels clearly and vociferously offered his friendship to those who would aspire to be "Christian". This invitation to friendship was the NEW WAY of spirituality that Jesus proposed as contrasted to all organized religions of his time which stressed law, rituals, and sacrifices. His way stressed relationship with him and love for one another as the means for developing friendship/relationship with the Divine. To put the stress on "moral law.....condemns" and "founded the Church" misses the whole concept of the NEW WAY of Jesus. However, it does continue the old ideas of legalism, organizational structure, traditions, etc. All of which Jesus found to be contrary to an invitation of friendship and thus the reason he never gives them much attention. If we wish to follow Jesus, to be Christians, we need to be open and appreciative of the NEW WAY of relationship that he offers us-------and that would be ALL of us: men, women, gay, straight, bisexual, Catholic, non-Catholic, black, white, etc..........Do you get it! ALL is ONE and he is Jesus, the Christ.
Simple, because homosexual
Simple, because homosexual acts are sinful no matter how much love and commitement is involved. That is official Church teaching. I would hope however that Catholic schools apply this standard to the children of divorced parents who have remarried without benefit of annulments too. We must always remember however that we are all sinners and need God's mercy. But public sin requires public ackowledgment and response. Private sins are a matter purely between sinner and confessor.
Good for Archbishop Chaput.
Good for Archbishop Chaput. He is a true Catholic shepherd.
Perhaps you are right.
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps Archbishop Chaput is more suited to raising sheep than to providing leadership to a diocese.
Deborah, in my youth I was a
Deborah, in my youth I was a real shepherd. I quickly learned that when I led from out in front, none of the herd was following. They were following their own leader. A true shepherd guides from behind, keeping the safety and welfare of all the flock in mind, especially the little ones since they are the preferred prey of all predators.
Chaput needs to spend a lengthy retreat herding real live sheep. He might learn something about being a real shepherd.
Dennis has the correct
Dennis has the correct wording . . . LEADERSHIP. We have no leadership in the church throughout this whole country. We only have authority, and the church does a fine job abusing that power.
WWJB? Just one simple
WWJB?
Just one simple question:
WHOM WOULD JESUS BOOT?
cf. Mt. 18:6-7
Lk. 17:2
Mk. 9:38
Memo to ArchbishGOP Chaput:
Now taking measurements for your MILLSTONE!
The millstone, Mr. McKee,
The millstone, Mr. McKee, belongs not to His Grace the Archbishop, but rather to the lesbian parents, and to all those who intentionally and deliberately live in contravention to Church teaching. In so doing, they are causing little ones to stumble by creating scandal. Indeed, had the Archbishop and the pastor accepted these students, only then would they be causing scandal to the rest of the parents and students of Sacred Heart of Jesus School.
I commend His Grace the Archbishop for his prudent and pastoral decision in this situation.
My question is, are divorced
My question is, are divorced and re-married Catholics (without benefit of an annulment) also being refused entry into the school? Their parents are, after all, living in a situation outside the 'rules' of the Catholic Church.
Not likely. If they barred
Not likely. If they barred the door to every family in which the parents were not living in accord with the laws of the Church, the classrooms would be empty. The same nonsensical explanation is used to keep people from Eucharist. As if every person in the pews "fully understands" Eucharist and lives in light of the truth. The Church has nothing to fear from the outside ~ it is quite capable of imploding all on its own.
The actions of the school,
The actions of the school, pastor and bishop are very mean, hateful, un-Christian, and un-Christ-like. This is not what Christ would do.
As most Catholics (reasonably and rationally) use birth control, will this school and church interrogate couples to see if they use birth control and if so, kick their children out of the school also. Will all children of divorcees be kicked out? Will the children of parents who voted for politicians that support immoral wars be kicked out?
No, the church will just pick on gays, who are living as God made them to live. Get it?
And how exactly do you know
And how exactly do you know what Christ would do???
God did not make gay men and
God did not make gay men and women to live in a manner that is in contravention to His divine law. Scripture and Tradition are BOTH absolutely clear on the issue of homosexual activity. It is one thing if 2 gay men or women decide to live as brothers or sisters, but to pretend at marriage, and then raise children believing in that pretense is directly in contravention of divine law.
I note the use of terms such as "mean" and "hateful", the standard repertoire of the left, used whenever they know that they are on the losing side of an argument, and thus seek to simply shut the argument down.
I wonder if this school would
I wonder if this school would "boot" children of parents who believed in the death penalty. Or children of parents who have had an abortion .Or children of parents who have euthanized their elderly relatives. Or children of married parents who are using non-NFP birth control.
Explain all this to the
Explain all this to the children, and see how this will help them being educated, grow up and thrive. They might learn that the two women,whom the children consider as their loving parents and who make a home for them, just aren't qualified as parents according to the ideology of the catholic church and parotted and implemented by this man called Chaput.
This is too sad for words.
Archbishop Chaput is still
Archbishop Chaput is still way out there on this. First it was just over the word "marriage", now this ups the ante to a higher level of discrimination. A single family gay or live long gay partnership are acceptable ways to raise a family. Just being gay does not mean you are automatically a poor parent. Of course Chaput wants to get to Rome, so he was to follow the "doing harm" dogma from Ratzinger before he became Pope.
I am worried as the rhetoric towards the GLBT community is slowly but steadily getting worse. It was marriage first, then adoption, now this. I pray that the Church reverses it course on attacks on the GLBT community before it comes to actual violence with Catholic Teachings being a motivator.
Also the current dogma applied in this case does not give the child any credit. Kids know more than we often give them credit for. He can see that most parents are two genders and can easily tell the difference and not see anything wrong as long as he is treated with love by his two mothers. That is where you look, at the person as a whole, if they are a loving person, they will be a good parent regardless of sexual orientation.
God bless Archbishop Chaput
God bless Archbishop Chaput and Father Breslin! Nobody said that being Christian would be easy.
As Jesus said about the
As Jesus said about the Pharisees, they prefer their traditions over love, compassion and common sense. When people ask for bread they are given a stone. Legalism and so-called "doctrine" over love. Sad. No wonder the US Church fast following the path of Europe.
"Suffer the little children
"Suffer the little children to come unto me and prevent them not. For of such is the Kingdom of Heaven."
The school must have full
The school must have full enrollment to be able to turn away the tuition money
Archbishop Chaput noted in
Archbishop Chaput noted in his column that "the church does not claim that people with a homosexual orientation are 'bad,' or that their children are less loved by God."
"Quite the opposite," he said. "But what the church does teach is that sexual intimacy by anyone outside marriage is wrong; that marriage is a sacramental covenant; and that marriage can only occur between a man and a woman."
As the history and workings of our society and government have become more transparent, our Church is being scrutinized as well. But rather than becoming clearer, our Church's understanding of and teaching about human sexuality are getting clouded. They are becoming a new “mystery” of our faith.
Some of our popes have written encyclicals that brilliantly highlight the theology of human sexuality. But we are left thinking that abstinence, conversion, confession, repentance, penance, and perhaps self-flagellation are the only options for divorced (not annulled) spouses, mixed-marriage spouses, atheists, unwed mothers, homosexuals, and yes, even some single individuals. Blessed couples are not eligible for beatification, much less for sanctification, until menopause makes chastity their only choice.
A while back, a songstress named Peggy Lee sang, “Is that all there is?” She was reminding us that we must never forget to ask where can and do we see the joy that this miracle of love and creation occasions and manifests? It is in the spousal sharing that we proclaim at our Liturgy: By the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. That miraculous divine climax is called the Incarnation, the “making flesh”, the humanizing of the Son of God, and of each and every one of us who are created in the image and likeness of God.
After telling us that God said, “It is not right that man should be alone”, (Gen. 2:18), our Pastors seem to be shunning all but the few individuals who are faithfully celibate or couples who have received the Sacrament of Matrimony in a Catholic church and are still married. If you and/or yours do not fulfill these requirements, even though you may be baptized, there is no reception, no welcome here. Go to other communities who may receive and accept you.
This is a far cry from what our Brother and Lord Jesus said, “Come to me all you who are wearied and I will give you rest” HERE AND NOW! Especially you sinners. I can’t help but to say over and over and over, “Lord, I am not worthy…”
Paz y Bien, Rolando, SFO
chaput(R-DEN) has been out of
chaput(R-DEN) has been out of the spotlight of late and I always await his newest stunt with bated breath. In these exciting times, what with the pope whipping himself, children raped in churchs everywhere, the popes brother slapping singing children, chaput(R-DEN) has to try harder than ever to stay in the limelight. Well he and his braying donkey of a sidekick Breslin have certainly raised the bar for the other bigots out there(ex. finn(R-KC).It would appear that the hierarchy believes children are simply tools, they are to be used as sextoys, punching bags,and now to make cheap political points. While the priest tells us he does'nt understand the parents, I don't understand him or his boss. If they believe that the parents are wrong why would they not jump at the opportunity to expose the children to the truth? I do not understand why these two clowns would be priests for a God they do not believe in.
Father Breslin said he did
Father Breslin said he did not understand why "good parents (would) want their children to learn something they don't believe in."
"There are so many schools in Boulder that see the meaning of sexuality in an entirely different way than the Catholic Church does," he added. "Why not send their child there?"
The question isn't why do the parents want to send their children to the school, but why does Father Breslin want to send them away? How does Father Breslin now plan on providing these children with religious instruction and access to the sacraments? I'm sure Fr. Breslin is well aware that if these children are baptized Catholics, they have a right to these things, no matter how he himself feels about it.
So if a single parent is
So if a single parent is living with a significant other would his/her child also be denied entrance? Or only if you are gay?
Chaput and Breslin are a
Chaput and Breslin are a disgrace. They should resign, go and live in a monastery where they can spend the rest of their live doing penance. They are bigots. And bigotry should have no place in the Church.
Why don't they burn the parents and the child at the stake?
And, folks, don't ask about clerical pedophilia!
All that was said above is
All that was said above is well put. I'm speechless and disappointed in these men. The Holy Spirit will intervene I'm sure.
Picture this carpool
Picture this carpool conversation:
"Mommy, what's INTRINSICALLY DISORDERED?"
"What?"
"Father said my friends can't come to our school cuz her mommies are INTRINSICALLY DISORDERED."
The real reason ArchbishGOP Chaput and Father Breslin MUST deny a Catholic education to these children is because they don't want to let everyone else in on the big secret: GLBT parents wake up in the morning, put their pants on one leg at a time, make breakfast, pack lunches, get their kids off to school, go to work, attend PTA meetings, bake cookies, worry about their kids' safety, and pay their tuition bills just like heterosexual parents.
Memo to Chaput and Breslin:
Now who's REALLY intrinsically disordered?
Get a wife.
Get a family.
Get a job.
Get a clue.
Then GET OUT!
Ohmygoodness....now this. As
Ohmygoodness....now this.
As child sex abuse seems to have been going on right under the nose of the brother of the most powerful religious leader in the world,
and as it appears that there has been a dark, hidden worldwide network of pedophiles inside the highest levels of influence of this church we still call Catholic,
and as this church that is supposed to stand in the light seems to darkly (unconsciously) operate off creating the illusion of holiness while needing children to be helpless victims and to be quiet their whole lives to keep the institutional house of cards standing....
now this church is excluding the child of whom Jesus said,
"Let the little children come unto Me."
I feel so sad and so sorry for these children,
but also for the numerous, still-closeted seminarians, priests, brothers, bishops, cardinals, and possibly even our pope who seem to have been living with self-loathing, shame, and a rage against human frailty and "imperfection" that could even express itself in slaps to the faces of children (child abuse) in years past and present (as the pope's brother Ratzinger has admitted to, in a possible effort to minimize the fallout).
How awful to have to live one's life forever in that closet.
And how frustrating to be a Catholic who is not allowed into the conversation about how to proceed as a follower of Christ, in this tradition, as it looks forward to a future that will need today's children to become competent and loving and courageous adults who have felt the love of Jesus through the faith community's embrace.
The archbishop does have his
The archbishop does have his miter on too tightly. Would Jesus not hug this child regardless of whom the parents are? The Colorado air must be thinner than I though!
I commend His Grace,
I commend His Grace, Archbishop Chaput, and Father Breslin for their courageous stand in defending Church teaching and in preventing the inevitable scandal that would have been caused by the acceptance of these students. It is profoundly sad that this lesbian couple have chosen to involved these innocent children in their "lifestyle" and have chosen to expose them to such attention. It is further a shame that this might have been avoided had it not been for the desire to be brazenly open about a lifestyle that is morally and intrinsically disordered.
I commend HIs Grace and Father Breslin further for their defense of the other students at Sacred Heart School from exposure to lifestyles that are directly in contravention of Church teaching.
One can only guess at why this couple decided to enroll these children in a Catholic school. Perhaps they know that their pretense at marriage is sinful and thus want to provide a sense of morality to the lives of these children. Perhaps they believe that Sacred Heart was an excellent academic school.
Perhaps they wish to provide a test case and attract media attention in an effort to attack the Church in general and Archbishop Chaput specifically. I wouldn't be surprised.
So Charles Chaput is behaving
So Charles Chaput is behaving in the most homophobic way possible in order to "earn" a post at the Vatican, following in the footsteps of the other bishop most obsessed with abortion and homosexuality Henry Burke!
I was appalled when I saw this opportunistic papal parasite on Italian TV snoring throughout a 60-minute speech on the "penitentiary" then turning red and dashing out of sight when a journalist asked him what "penance" is appropriate for a priest who has sexually abused a child. He started by saying he was "dagli Stati Uniti" (from the United States)and "non vorrei commentare" (I wouldn't want to comment) before rushing off and hiding in the the pope's apartments.
Chaput is no shepherd! He is
Chaput is no shepherd! He is a hypocrite and a purveyor of hatred! This kind of behavior is un-Christ like and is totally unacceptable. Another example of the reasons that bishops have lost all respect and authority. Shameful on every level, as are the some of the hate filled posts in this thread.
It seems to me that the
It seems to me that the decision which Breslin and Chaput are making for the children should be in the hands of the parents. They should be the ones who decide how to cope with the possible dissonance between what is said in catechism class and what they see at home.
If it becomes too much it is the parents...not the children...who should be making the decision to remove the children from parochial school.
Don't we hear them chirp again and again about the primacy of the family the family the family?
Or is it that the parents of these two children aren't considered legitimate "family" and thus not entitled to the same respect for parental boundaries that are accorded to heterosexual couples?
Besides, realistically--- does the question of same-sex marriage really come up in pre-school, kindergarten, or first grade? And if it does, then what beyond "the Catholic Church recognizes marriage as being between a man and a woman and nobody else" need be said to pre-adolescents. Issues of co-habitation and what takes place therein would seem to be best reserved to older children...indeed younsters who are old enough to be able to engage in a considered debate of the issues and to weigh Church teaching against their own experiences and perspectives if there is a conflict.
Chaput and Breslin seem to be creating problems where there aren't any. Perhaps they need do so to distract from the other problems of their own making?
Does the cardinal remember
Does the cardinal remember the Gospel story where the people were asking what the parents had done wrong? And Jesus said children would not receive retribution for the behavior of the parents. ----WRONG. Archbishop Chaput is going down the path to Cardinal. It may not be a moral path, but that does not seem to bother him. God knows what he will pull next. His statement in Texas about Kennedy was a farce, too. His arrogance will catch up with him. This type of person always ends up with mud on their face. Some past behavior or cover up or something in his past will show-up. In the meantime, shame on him for thinking he can get away with this.
I think that the way to
I think that the way to address this would be to have the lesbian parents sign a form stating that their relationship was not sanctioned in the eyes of the Church and that they would accept that their child would be taught, in religious moral education, that a marriage is ONLY between a man and a woman.
If the lesbian parents would be willing to sign such a statement recognizing that a Catholic education meant learning Catholic moral principles, then I think that they should be allowed to enroll.
The reason why divorce/remarriage is not equatable in this situation is the public form of scandal that it gives. Those who use birth control or are divorced and in irregular marriages are also in sinful situations. However, those are not causes of public scandal. They are no less sinful, however.
It's bigotry wrapped in self
It's bigotry wrapped in self righteousness. So the children are banned from learning about Christ because of their parents? So did Jesus say that the children are to come to Him or not? Witholding Christ from children who want to learn about Christ, who does Archbishop work for, satan?
Why this lesbian couple would
Why this lesbian couple would freely choose to educate their charges in the local parochial school is a question that begs an answer..none thus far seems to be forthcoming. Perhaps the best response to this situation is prayer and fasting..that the Catholic school does not go the way of the adoptions agencies sponsored by Catholic Charities forced to close by the gay sub-culture. Might this be a possible reason for using innocent lives to achieve such evil ends? The Archbishop was defending the flock against a grave social evil that is ruining lives, both temporal and eternal. The children are the innocent pawns of two very selfish women...to feel otherwise is mis-guided compassion.
The 'gay' subculture is not
The 'gay' subculture is not responsible for the knee jerk reaction of Catholic adoption agencies. The 'reactionary rightwing' subculture is responsible for the closing of Catholic adoption agencies. It's to protect that subculture from dealing with actual reality that these kinds of knee jerk decisions are made. It's to reinforce the fantasy which drives that subculture that Chaput and company feel free to punish children for the sins of the parents.
The Church is certainly no democracy when the pathetic need for certainty and purity of the less than 10% over rides the pastoral needs of the other 90%. Too many of us are paying too high a price for your sense of salvation. I doubt you appreciate it.
An earlier poster writes, "I
An earlier poster writes, "I am worried as the rhetoric towards the GLBT community is slowly but steadily getting worse. It was marriage first, then adoption, now this. I pray that the Church reverses it course on attacks on the GLBT community before it comes to actual violence with Catholic Teachings being a motivator."
Meanwhile, our Pope Benedict has remained conspicuously silent on the Ugandan death penalty proposed for homosexuals. At times one gets the notion, based on the current climate within the Church that certain groups/parties would love to burn at the stake/put to death anyone who does not live the way they judge. Literally.
The difference is that
The difference is that gayness is highly visible and abortion, birth control, and divorce or not.
The ONLY valid point the church makes is that being in an environment where doctrine is taught along with regular academics, it is possible that the child of a gay couple is going to hear that their parents are committing a serious sin. And that WOULD be hurtful to the child.
While I don't think that Jesus would boot anyone out of kindergarten, I also don't think that Catholic schools should have to avoid talking about certain aspects of doctrine in order to avoid hurting a child's feelings. Although it is unlikely that sexuality is going to be spoken of before middle school, they will talk about the sacrament of marriage. And at some point, the child will hear that the church thinks her parents aren't really married. Why put her in that position at all?
(Sigh) I wish our church didn't have such a one dimensional view of gay relationships, but since it does, I think it's better to keep innocent children out of the crossfire.
No matter what these men who
No matter what these men who are the 21st century Bishops believe, it is only a disordered mind that would treat children this way. I remember when I was a child in Catholic School, and one of my classmate’s parents divorced and the father remarried- that the little girl was somewhat ostracized and made an example of in the class. This left a very bad taste in my mouth then as does this action in Boulder. I think this is a major problem with the authoritarian mind set that only understands black vs. white and right vs. wrong. They just do not have the depth of understanding that there are no absolutes. Situations are always black and white, right and wrong. What happens here is that the Bishop himself tips his balance of social justice to a dark side to insist that he is 100% right in his dogmatic teaching. This balance in the Catholic Episcopacy is being rebalanced in many issues to a primitive understanding of ethics and society. It is a defensive ploy coming from a fearful borderline core part of the personality. It means that these men can not operate from the ethical standards of the Jesus on the Mount, but give into the fearful paranoia of the inside demon.
The Bishops are using this same faulty authoritarian approach with there pressure on a Michigan Congressman that may defeat a health care bill. What is so discouraging is that so many of us see abortion (as medically defined, not as recently defined by the bishops) as a failure in society and to be decreased but not altogether forbidden. In the mind of a totalitarian that believes he or she is absolutely right, we might as well be abortionists! The authoritarian mind set is primitive and certainly not the mind set of Christ.
This is why they hate Vatican II. It gave too mush to the sense of the laity for some in the curia of the 1960’s and 70’s to remain politically. This is not a spiritual group of men. So many of the People of God are much more educated, sophisticated and spiritually minded that they have developed a better sense of ethics and more solidity of character than do this group of patriarchs. It is the priesthood of Baptism that is the important priesthood not the priesthood created by the leadership that is currently destroying so many Christian Institutions.
R. Dennis Porch, MD
This takes everything to a
This takes everything to a new level . . . a new all time low.
As one who taught in the Catholic school system and as a Roman Catholic priest, I find this behavior of the Archbishop, the pastor, and all involved to be void of Christian values and human compassion. There are several points to consider.
1. From an evangelical standpoint, I believe many missionary catholic schools where founded and existed to bring the Christian (and yes, even Catholic) message to believers and non-believers alike. Schools both in this country and throughout the world. Many or most students were not Catholic. Because of the love of those who taught them and life skills that they instilled in them, many of those students and/or their families converted to the Catholic faith. Today in many of those same areas, the numbers of Catholics are exceeding the number of Catholics in the USA and Europe. Where would are Church be if we had only enrolled "True Catholics" into "our" schools throughout modern church history.
2. In many urban areas in the Northeastern part of the USA, many Catholic schools would be empty if it were not for the increase in the non-Catholic student population which has been able to populate what would have been empty and closed schools.
3. If we were to immediately dismiss every student whose parents were never married, students from single parent households, whose parents are divorces, practice birth control, eat meat on Fridays or violate any other Catholic Church teaching, the Catholic Education system would cease to exist in 24 hours.
4. This is representative of the "mustard seed" church of Ratzinger. The smaller, faithful, TRUE Church. Heavy on tradition and control, light on compassion and love.
5. Where would these children be raised if they weren't part this household of a same-sex couple? Would the Church raise these children? Would they provide them with love, shelter, education, food, etc. Shouldn't the Church be grateful these children were not aborted or orphaned and respect the choices the parents are making in selecting a Catholic school for the education of their children?
I could go on and on. This just sickens me. The arrogance and dismissive nature of these acts are par and parcel with the acts of bishops and priests who fostered and allowed the sex-abuse scandal to infect the Catholic Church. I will stop here because I am sure my other thoughts will manifest themselves in response to comments that will be written in support or reaction to these already written words.
Finally, another priest
Finally, another priest speaks out! Thank you jstab1. I totally agree with your thoughts and comments, and appreciate you putting them into words. I have mentioned this idea to other priest friends: ORGANIZE! It is time for not only lay people, but for the parish priest, the priest of any religious order to join with the courageous and Christian nuns who have taken a strong stand against the pompous arrogance of the Vatican bureaucrats in taking a position that Jesus would. I have suggested before that this behavior of Chaput and his comrades has no place in a CHRISTIAN church. It's time to take back the Christian Church from the Scribes and the Pharisees. It is an insult and outrage to Jesus Christ and what he taught.
It is a shame that so many
It is a shame that so many priests are afraid to speak up and stand out because of repercussions. We should not be afraid if we believe what we stand for. I just came across a group of Detroit priest that formed to have a voice, "Elephants in the Living Room." There are other ways that we can organize as well. If we have a platform, the people will follow. I always wanted to do this within the Church without winding up like Martin Luther! We need another John XXIII or John Paul the First. (But this time, we need to get them body guards 24 hours a day!)
How unChristian, unCatholic,
How unChristian, unCatholic, nonuniversal, stupid and cruel Breslin and Chaput are to force a child out of the school because these clerics discriminate against their parents.
Jesus said we are "ONE in Christ" there are NO barriers. Scoring ambitious promotions-seeking points with the pope does not match the example and teachings of Jesus who said Do NOT keep the children AWAY from me! (Mark, New Testment.) Chaput and Breslin are not priest material at all and sully the reputation of the Roman Catholic Church. Idiotic to force children away from the Catholic church. In all likelihood both these men, Chaput, Breslin, are frustrated, closeted, hypocritical homosexuals. I agree that to too many Catholic clergy children are just sex toys for their perversions, or a means to score clerical career political points.
It is clear that Bishop
It is clear that Bishop Chaput believes that lesbianism is a sin. It is also clear that he wants to separate the Church and its schools from anyone who does not follow strict Catholic teaching. When Jesus spoke about 'separating the chaff from the wheat' he was speaking about the need for us to recognize the True-Self from the False-Self. We honour the True-Self when we are truthful about our (sinful) or false nature. We are all Holy creations capable of many un-holy actions. To be truthful about our false-self we must learn how to embrace it with our True-Self. When we deny our false nature we will begin to live out of a false piety. We will also begin to see ourselves as separate from and often as better than others. However, Archbishop Chaput wants to physically separate two aspects of the same body. This is to deny our false-self. History is filled with examples of this ‘holier than thou’ attitude. This negative attitude will only result in more ethnic cleansing and racial hatred. When are we going to learn?
When Bishop Chaput states that “The church cannot change these teachings because in the faith of Catholics, they are the teachings of Jesus Christ" he challenges our understanding of God’s incomprehensible compassion and understanding. A church that cannot change is a church that remains stuck in the past and refuses to embrace reality or the present. When a religious community gradually evolves to the point where it encourages laity to read scripture interpretively should it not also bring church teachings into the present? (as Vatican II attempted) The world today has become a global village consisting of many religions, races and beliefs. If we are to get along with our neighbour can the Catholic Church truly afford to remain an island unto itself?
Archbishop Charles Chaput suggests that children can become easily confused by conflicting teachings. Jesus understood that children are better equipped to handle conflict than most adults when he said that “the Kingdom of God belongs to them.” Through their innocence children do not hold grudges, compete or think they are holier then the next person. All education, especially for adults, must teach how we are to live in harmony among conflicting ideas and beliefs. Conflict can then become a means of spiritual growth, understanding and peace.
His grace should get the
His
grace should get the boot. One can't imagine Jesus being so heartless and ctruel. Where is the benign mercy of Holy Mother Church?
This is cray! Doesn't the
This is cray! Doesn't the archbishop and the school authorities see that they are contradicting themselves? If the Catholic Church baptizes these children (and she does even though the parent's faith expression may be dubious), then why should this be an issue now. Unfortunately we are depriving these kids of a Catholic education?
Your respondents did ask the correct questions. What about, divorced and remarried (outside the church)Catholics? or children of unmarried parents? or children of parents who openly support pro-choice candidates? Are they good witness 'partners in faith?'
If the answer to these questions is that "at least we are teaching the children the 'correct' way to live," then why not the same with children of gay and lesbian parents?
Face it. This has to do with homosexuality. Most closeted homosexuals are the worst homophobes. And the clergy lives in a constant state of paranoia (self denial?) within the subliminal homo-erotic culture of an all male presbyterate.
What a wasted opportunity to be true evangelists without compromising the church's teaching. "...mea maxima culpa...for what I have failed to do..."
I encourage all of you, who
I encourage all of you, who are partaking in this dialogue, to experience the very powerful play, The Laramie Project" and perhaps your heart may be lightened.
It's never surprising anymore
It's never surprising anymore to hear the catholic bashers moan about "hate", "intolerance", "Jesus wouldn't do that", blah, blah, blah. You don't know what love is. The homophobia charge is getting old and has little impact from it's over-use from the so-called "tolerant" and "open minded". It's extremely belittling to make Jesus into some kind of emasculated flower child who just wants to sing kumbaya around the campfire. As Breslin has stated in another interview.. "It's simply that the lesbian couple is saying that their relationship is a good one that should be accepted by everyone; and the Church cannot agree to that," Breslin wrote. "People who are divorced do not say divorce is good. There are no pro-divorce parades. Divorce is a tragedy for everybody." But this couple doesn't support the belief that a gay lifestyle is wrong. Again, most of the haters writing in don't believe in the Catholic faith or are ignorant of what Christ taught. Yes, Jesus ate with the sinners but he also said "Go, and sin no more" not "go, and sin some more".
Breslin says: "There are so
Breslin says: "There are so many schools in Boulder that see the meaning of sexuality in an entirely different way than the Catholic Church does," he added. "Why not send their child there?"
That is the answer. The parents in this school who believe this is wrong should teach their own children about standing up for their values and integrity by pulling out of that school.
Alas, like anything else, they'll bark and whine at the useless PTA meetings and in the parking lot after school. But they'll still pay the tuition and man the Friday night bingo while Breslin struts to the bank and over to Cha-poo's rectory for single malt scotch on the rocks before an elaborate meal served by unpaid old women hoping for salvation through slavery to wretched, pompous misfits.
Stand up and walk out you parents of Sacred Heart of Jesus School!!
I have read nearly all, but
I have read nearly all, but not every comment, so if I'm repeating something someone has has posted, I apologize.
I believe that two people of the same sex can truly love each other and should express it in the many ways human beings do. Period.The Church needs to review its sexual ethic from top to bottom, but I won't hold my breath....
Although I hate it, if the archbishop decided that he had to support the pastor's decision, he has that right (some would say he was "obliged" to, but I would not).
I am upset by the process and the "objectivist" legalistic tone of clerical spokespersons. Who, if anyone, in "authority" tried to offer compassion? Why didn't the pastor or archbishop listen to the women before making their statements? I take the two moms at their word in the interview they gave Tom Fox. I have no more reason to reject their account than to accept the "school's" account. Why could not some other more pastoral solution be found?
I shudder to think that the pastoral care expressed by Cardinal John Dearden, Oscar Romero, and others is rapidly loosing ground. The treatment of the nine year old girl in Brazil whose mother decided to have her twins aborted after she was raped and the hateful statement about gays made by a Mexican Cardinal seem to be the wave of the future.
I hope people will re-read the parable of the Prodigal Son from last Sunday's Gospel. Would that our leaders acted like the Father.
Could it be that the
Could it be that the Archbishop and the pastor fear the witness that same sex couples can indeed be faithful to each other and provide a loving and nurturing home for their children? Could it be that they fear that such an example will undermine the image they cling to that such families cannot be legitimate?
Too bad this bishop-tormented
Too bad this bishop-tormented couple doesn't have two or more million to donate to the diocese. This "problem" would never have arisen.
L. Swilley
All this fuss about sex.
All this fuss about sex. Jesus never asked the woman at the well to leave her boyfriend, neither did he ever condemn her for her many husbands. He tested her honesty and she passed that test of integrity beautifully by humbly telling the truth. These ladies of integrity are truthful too and if Breslin was the image of Jesus he would accept the women too.
Jesus joyfully gave the woman at the well living waters of faith and joyfully praised her to his male apostles that she was a far better apostle to Samaria than they were.
All this pre-occupation about sex, no sex and celibacy by church bishops, popes, priests, is irrelavant to Jesus. Jesus told the adultress to sin no more and then he stopped her from being stoned to death. ``Neither do I condemn you.`` Breslin and Chaput do not speak for Jesus when they drive away children from coming to Jesus in the Catholic school over the sex life of their parents. Jesus highly praised the woman of the city for anointing him, the Messiah, the Anointed one. No where is it recorded in the bible of any man anointing Jesus. This woman of the city ANOINTS the Messiah and he is happy about it and tells all to never forget her or what she has done for him.
Hypocrites, if they say the children can`t attend school because of the sex lives of the parents. Then how can the children attend Catholic lessons on the week-end either, is that not a type of Catholic religious lesson too, a type of Catholic school . Chaput and Breslin should apologize to the school and the children and parents and re-instate the children. Be the Christ to the world, and allow the children to attend Catholic school.
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