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PDF versionDespite Phoenix dispute, bishops, CHA ties strong
“We’re all in this together,” says Archbishop Dolan
Jan. 31, 2011
Cardinal Daniel N. DiNardo of Galveston-Houston smiles during an informal news conference at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' headquarters in Washington Jan. 25. (CNS photo/Bob Roller)
ANALYSIS
On a scale of predictability, today’s tensions between the U.S. bishops and the Catholic Health Association would probably rank with the rising of the sun. Last year the bishops and the association, which represents America’s Catholic hospitals, were on opposite sides of the health care reform debate, and new fault lines have erupted over a member hospital in Phoenix accused of performing a direct abortion.
In that light, the real story probably is not that the relationship has been strained. Instead, it’s that several leading American prelates insist their ties with the association, despite everything, remain fundamentally strong.
The back-and-forth between the association and the American bishops may thus hold lessons for how other parties in the church can keep lines of communication open, even in the teeth of disagreements on highly contentious questions.
In recent weeks, four bishops -- including the past and current presidents of the U.S. bishops’ conference, the chair of the bishops’ pro-life committee, and a bishop who sits on the Catholic Health Association board -- have told NCR that they’re optimistic about the future of relations with the association.
“We’re all in this together,” said Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in a mid-January interview.
“It’s not that the CHA is working on the side of the hospitals, while the bishops are trying to preserve a pure morality because it’s being chipped away,” Dolan said. “Philosophically, we’re on the same page.”
Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, Dolan’s predecessor as conference president, struck a similar note.
“I think the conversation with the CHA is moving along quite well,” he said in early January, adding that in his conversations with Daughter of Charity Sr. Carol Keehan, president of the association, she raised “good questions” and expressed “openness” to keeping the relationship on track.
Bishop Kevin Vann of Fort Worth, Texas, who chaired a three-bishop ad hoc committee for dialogue with the association after the health care reform debate, and who now sits on the CHA board, told NCR that he’s been in conversation with the association as recently as Jan. 23.
“It’s important we continue to work together,” Vann said.
One factor fueling rapprochement, observers say, is the fact that the association has joined the bishops in supporting legislation in the new session of Congress intended to strengthen provisions barring federal funding for abortion. (The bills include the Protect Life Act, the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act, and the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, all sponsored by pro-life members in the House of Representatives.)
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Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston, who chairs the bishops’ Pro-Life Committee, said Jan. 25 it’s a “very positive” development that the Catholic Health Association is working with the bishops on these bills, and that he believes the bishops and the association “are on a good path.”
DiNardo said he has “no reason not to be confident” that the bishops and the association will stick together as congressional debate unfolds.
Observers credit Keehan with investing significant time and energy in behind-the-scenes exchanges with bishops, helping to avoid what might have been an even more damaging public crossfire.
George and DiNardo both said they’ve had “good conversations” with Keehan, and Dolan said she’s left a favorable impression with him too.
“I’m convinced that Sr. Carol believes she serves the bishops as much as she serves the hospitals,” Dolan said.
Keehan’s response to the Phoenix situation, in which Bishop Thomas Olmsted revoked the Catholic status of a hospital belonging to the Catholic Healthcare West system, is a case in point. While she and the association obviously disagree with Olmsted’s finding, Dolan said, they have accepted Olmsted’s authority to make that decision.
“She feels very strongly that the decision was terrible, but she knows that the bishop of the diocese is the authentic interpreter and implementer” of the U.S. bishops’ “Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services,” Dolan said.
“She wholeheartedly believes that, and CHA believes that,” he said.
None of this is to suggest that a new era of good feelings is necessarily about to dawn. Some observers warn the Phoenix case could be a harbinger of fierce new battles over the Catholic identity of health care facilities.
“The worry is that our Catholic hospitals are now where our universities were back in the 1980s, slowly drifting out of the Catholic orbit,” Dolan said, adding that he would be willing to see other Catholic facilities cut ties with the church if it meant “defending the integrity” of Catholic health care.
As those dramas unfold, the Catholic Health Association and the bishops may once again find themselves at loggerheads. For now, however, they’re still talking -- and in today’s polemical climate, both in America and in the church, that alone might qualify as a minor miracle.
[John L. Allen, Jr. is NCR's senior correspondent. His e-mail address is jallen@ncronline.org.]
Another one-sided spin by
Another one-sided spin by Bishop PR office. Enough, John!
Why not also do a story on how great the hospital staff is now doing, freed from the Bishop's bondage. Team Spirit, morale, pride by all of the hospital staff has never been greater. But then, of course, that does not shed a very good light on the local Tyrant.
(NCR Editors, why not send a reporter to St. Joseph's to get THE REST OF THE STORY.)
And yet, it sounds to me as
And yet, it sounds to me as though Sr. Keehan is too diplomatic to speak freely even if she were given the opportunity to do so. Once again the woman is the peace maker.
... and yet, Mr. Allen did
... and yet, Mr. Allen did not quote Sr. Keehan. Appears to be a one-sided conversation Mr. Allen writes about. That's not to say Sr. Keehan isn't working mightily to keep the lines of dialogue open with the bishops. But that she has to work mightily to keep those lines open says something also. "Philosophically, we're on the same page." Yes, philosophically we're in the same church.
Sr Carol Keehan is quoted in
Sr Carol Keehan is quoted in the above article. It would be more reassuring to hear what Sr Carol actually says, rather than "quotes" attributed to her from the hierarchies. Perhaps John Allen could contact her for her direct response.
We have a misunderstanding of
We have a misunderstanding of "quoted." There is a statement by Archbishop Dolan of his paraphrasing of Sr. Keehan. He is quoted, not Sr. Keehan. Sr. Keehan, however, was not interviewed. We are in agreement that Sr. Keehan ought to be spoken with directly for the article
If Ladislas Orsy,SJ, an
If Ladislas Orsy,SJ, an outstanding canonist states that Olmsted's "excommuication" is "null and void", and a moral theologian finds no direct abortion in the Phoenix case, at worst there is a "dubium" if not an error on Olmsted's part. If the "authentic interpreter" states the world is flat, the earth is the center of the univesrse or eating a hot dog on Friday sends you to hell, would not the Holy Spirit inspire one to question the autenticity of the content and source of such statements?
While certainly encouraging,
While certainly encouraging, the reality is that there would be no discussion or dialogue if the bishops had control over the CHA. I suspect that the bishops are enraged over this challenge to their authority. We should be encouraged that they must deal with a non-violent but persistent voice of their people who also must give voice to their conscience. We hope that they get used to it because it is happening with their good Catholic people right under their noses.
"She feels strongly that the
"She feels strongly that the decision was terrible..." The terrible 'decision' is that the bishop-church would rather see/allow a young mother of four living children die, when there was no chance the baby would survive. The purpose of the surgery was to save both knowing that was impossible. Can you imagine the outcry if the bishop had his way and allowed the mother to di, while doing nothing. That is a wrongful death suit. Apparently, it is OK to allow a mother to die who could be saved (obviously) along with killing the souls of young sexually abused children. I wonder why this insanity cannot be seen through. This bishop's actions and arrogance have dragged this mother (anonymously) and father and family through hell. A hospital ethics committee does not make the decision - they provide the options available and the patient (if s/he has capacity) and/or family make the final decisions. I would imagine this mother was in too critical condition to be transferred to a non-catholic institution. Thank God, a mother was saved, so sad the very premature infant could not be. I am so grateful that I have moved from such rigidity and arrogant control to a compassionate, loving, listening Christian church.
So Sr. Keenan believes the
So Sr. Keenan believes the Bishop's decision was wrong, but she accepts that he has every right to take whatever action he desires based on his error. This is progress??
I try to read a variety of
I try to read a variety of opinions on any topic but unfortunately John Allen's name under an article has not come to mean rigorous scholarship or research but rather establishment "spin".
Coolmom: Great name
Coolmom:
Great name Coolmom!
About what seems as establishment "spin". It probably is.
Don't forget that John Allen spends a lot of time in Rome at the Vatican and environs. Or the USCCB. Or interviewing ranking clergy.
It's kind of like a Congressman spending time on Capitol Hill amid lobbyists, campaign contributors and
the Congressman/Congresswoman's "colleagues". Different world from "back home".
IMHO, being around a political environment- either the Vatican or Rome - can easily influence one's view of reality.
Thank heavens for our reality inducing neighborhoods.
"Catholic identity ..."
"Catholic identity ..." hmmmm .... it seems the gap widens between those who interpret that as meaning 'Hoorah! Here comes everybody!' and those who see Catholic identity as 'here comes the chosen - a select group that passes specific criteria.'
Perhaps, in all humility, we need to stop seeing ourselves and / or others as Capital 'C's' and focus more on what it means to be a small 'c' catholic. Sort of like JESUS is the Capital "C" Christ and all the rest of us are small 'c' christs. That is what 'christen-ing' (baptism) means, after all.
I couldn't have said it
I couldn't have said it better, Linda.
I'm a "c" catholic and have my well rounded Catholic identity.
Christ warned that the path
Christ warned that the path was narrow to heaven. We are called to live up to all the Catholic Church teaches both from Scripture and Tradition and to follow the teaching of the Pope and Magesterium. That is the narrow path. If we choose to stay on the wide road, we know where that road leads as well and it will not be pleasant. I find it interesting that those who call for everyone to chill out and gray out actual church teaching still cling to calling themselves Catholic. Also interesting to see how many of these folks also think they can be democrats and Catholic when that party continues to be support and live the culture of death. Life of each of us is valuable and equal in Gods eyes and yet some think that killing one is OK simply because that life is located in the womb.
Catholic Greta on Jan. 31,
Catholic Greta on Jan. 31, 2011.
You stated:
"Christ warned that the path was narrow to heaven. We are called to live up to all the Catholic Church teaches both from Scripture and Tradition and to follow the teaching of the Pope and Magesterium. That is the narrow path. If we choose to stay on the wide road, we know where that road leads as well and it will not be pleasant. I find it interesting that those who call for everyone to chill out and gray out actual church teaching still cling to calling themselves Catholic. Also interesting to see how many of these folks also think they can be democrats and Catholic when that party continues to be support and live the culture of death. Life of each of us is valuable and equal in Gods eyes and yet some think that killing one is OK simply because that life is located in the womb."
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OK, you've cited what the official Catholic Church teaches. Now what is your thinking? Or don't you think beyond what you've been brainwashed to think?
Yes, all life is sacred. But if only one life can be saved and in real life---not in theology books or in canon law discussions) that does happen---what is one to do? The Diocese of Phoenix would not survive the law suit that would follow if the medical staff would have stood by and allowed the mother to die. But of course----people who can only repeat the company line---can't imagine that would be possible.
People, even Pope John Paul II, couldn't imagine that priests could sexually underaged boys---but it happened. And bishops couldn't imagine that dioceses would be taken to court in law suits---but it happened.
The church has never
The church has never proclaimed anyone is in hell. Indeed, read Luke 15, which tells us that God's love is unconditional, i.e., no strings attached. It is God who will do the "heavy lifting" of/for our salvation, not you, me, or anybody else (pope, bishop, etc.). God has already saved not only the "good" but also the "lost".
The Phoenix abortion was an act of legitimate self-defense enabled by a team of trained surgical personnel. The unborn child's aggressive presence threatened the mother's life.
By telling the folks at St. Joseph's Hospital that they must, inter alia, admit they were morally wrong in approving and performing an abortion, the bishop of Phoenix committed an act of mortal sin.
In light of Olmsted's reprehensible episcopal behavior, there is great reason to question his moral and teaching credibility.
Greta, Your words indicate
Greta,
Your words indicate a faith in, and worship of, a religious institution and a secular political party — Neither of which existed at the time our Lord spoke of the 'narrow way'.
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You are certainly free to believe as you do, but the RCC institution and its politically self-perpetuating covey of bishops are NOT God, and NO secular political party should be confused as a medium of Christian faith. The Holy Spirit of God is not confined merely to the Vatican or local chancery offices.
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Hierarchical "authority" within the institutional RCC does not preclude the reality of that authority being misused or even abused, and/or bishops overstepping their competence. They hold NO infallibility and NO impeccability. Olmsted's entire concern was with the minutiae of institutional law, even going so far as to deny the medical facts of the case and discounting the suffering of a young family. Contrary to Olmsted's statement, there was NO "healthy baby" involved in this tragedy... only a dying fetus and a dying mother.
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A critically ill young woman in cardiogenic shock, a wife and mother of four already born children, was saved at the very last moment by the only remaining possible intervention. She was the only one that could be saved — the 11-week fetus was doomed either way. That is reality in an imperfect world. Olmsted's legalistic position was: "Our law says... that the mother must die with the fetus". That would be her de facto punishment for being unable to successfully gestate her fifth child — but Canon Law would be preserved intact while a grieving husband and orphaned children buried a young wife and mother.
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You might also want to recall that our Lord said quoting Scripture, referencing the religious leaders of his day who were also obsessed with their rules and traditions to the exclusion of human suffering: "in vain do they worship me who teach for doctrine the rules and traditions of men". He also said: "the law is to be in service of humanity, not humanity in service of the law".
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"If we choose to stay on the
"If we choose to stay on the wide road, we know where that road leads as well and it will not be pleasant."
And you know this how? Life isn't as black and white as your comments imply.
Maybe you might be interested in this article recently posted:
http://www.ncronline.org/blogs/eco-catholic/debunking-myth-hell
Cheers,
I am indeed pleased that the
I am indeed pleased that the CHA and the bishops in this country appear to maintain a committed relationship in spite of differences of opinion in ministering to members of the Church. Since the CHA pursues a far more Christian course of action, I hope that the CHA can maintain an independent point-of-view when the neanderthal theological musings of the bishops and the Vatican bureaucrats diverge over what constitutes matters of principle and in defense of moral common sense in ministering to the members of the Roman denomination.
Is anyone else a bit queasy
Is anyone else a bit queasy over Bishop Dolan's comment? (“I’m convinced that Sr. Carol believes she serves the bishops as much as she serves the hospitals,” Dolan said.)
What in the world is he saying? That sister BELIEVES she's doing the right thing- but that he sure doesn't? That bishops ought to be served? (SERVED? Are the rest of us supposed to serve the bishop, too?) Does he not understand that sister's primary focus is not so much the hospitals, but the PEOPLE those hospitals serve?
THIS is the bishop who won out over Gerald F. Kicanas of Tucson?
I thought the bishops were
I thought the bishops were supposed to be the ones serving us, the people of God, not the other way around. Isn't that what Christs says in the gospels? "I come to serve, not to be served."
Oh, but you're quoting Jesus,
Oh, but you're quoting Jesus, not the bishops.
Everybody should know by now that we're supposed to serve the hierarchs :-)
That's why they prance down church and cathedral aisles with their colorful fancy robes and pontificate from their episcopal and papal thrones.
Maybe Jesus was humble (meaning: real), but our popes and lackey bishops insist on preserving their power, pomp, perks, and privilege.
"And Jesus wept."
I believe that continued
I believe that continued drawing of lines in the sand, as did Bishop Olmstead Arizona, will force Catholic medical facilities to either cease to do business or loose their title as catholic. If we continue to get these types of Episcopal messes, the RCC will become a small enclave in the ghettos of society. No doubt it will draw some very wealthy people but only those wanting to control the ghetto.
Catholic Universities can not exist as Universities if this type of authoritarianism continues to exist. First of all Catholic Medical Schools can not teach safe medicine if they are triaged by a Bishop without a medical license. Doctors will not be able to take their patients to any Catholic hospital, University or else wise, that has a Bishop overstepping his bounds with the medical ethics committees.
The Catholic Universities at large can not seek to grow and develop in truth if they must depend on the opinion of one Bishop in the complexities of teaching science, theology, philosophy, social work, or any other academic endeavor if one MAN has THE say as to where to seek and find truth. Catholic Universities are destined to become either catechetical centers that might help people learn a technical skill or become independent of the Roman Catholic Church if the Bishops follow the path of authoritarian structure-- e.g. THE ARBITRATOR OF ALL THAT IS TRUE, in their own diocese. If we do not see a change in leadership structure and style, the RCC has very much to loose in the way of educational and economic influence in society. If changes in structure and style of leadership are not made, the Church will deserve to loose all this influence.
Could the Bishops come to realize that they are not one man infallible ethics committees? Society is much to complicated for one person to understand all its problems or to see every angle of truth. The Bishops could learn to seek consensual validation from a much broader part of society if they wish to have much influence in the direction of peoples hearts and souls, and society in general. If Bishops fail to change the most we can expect will be to see them as tyrannical leaders of small fiefdoms, with possibly a few wealthy contributors sharing a few resources. They can not or will not be influential in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
May we the People of God gain peace and understanding,
R. Dennis Porch, MD
Interesting that those who
Interesting that those who don't like the content of the article want to dismiss it as spin. Reminds me of those who preach "tolerance" and "open-mindedness", except if you happen to hold a different view than they do.
According to the logic of the critics, Sr. Keehan would seem to be a traitor for now endorsing the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act, which his largely aimed at addressing the Health Care Bill. But something is amiss: she and the CHA once swore that the Health Care legislation did not contain provisions to fund abortion, but now endorses the effort to ban such funding; but which means the legislation must have such provisions after all; which means Keehan and others were either lying or rather ignorant of the content.
...or which might also mean
...or which might also mean that Sr. Keehan and the CHA want to leave no stone unturned...
...which means they do, in fact, support Catholic teaching on abortion.
In the ultimate analysis what
In the ultimate analysis what is the real issue in the dispute between the Bishops and the CHA? I submit it is pro life where healing and love are served ... where a mother's life is saved in order that she and her husband can raise their four children. In such a situation most parents are not concerned whether such heroic women as Sr. Margaret McBride or Sr. Carol Keehan are SERVING the bishops or submit to bishop Thomas Olmsteads AUTHORITY but that these Christian/catholic women adhear to the service of life. It is their leadership that earns and commands respect.
re: Catholic Greta Please
re: Catholic Greta
Please have a look at this book: "The Church and Abortion: A Catholic Dissent" by Denis George O'Brien. I suspect it will not convince you but it may give you pause. The phrase"culture of death" is so over-stated and beyond reasoned comment that all Bishops and informed people of good will should stop using that phrase.
We have allowed abortion to become the Catholic "brand" in North America. I do not favor abortion and, in fact, I am opposed, if one should wonder. And, I agree that abortion is an "implicit evil." However, is it not time that someone reminded us that implicit evil is not the equivalent of explicit sin?
And re Bishop Dolan's comment about Sr, Keehan believing she "serves the bishops as much as..." And here we have the Pope, with the title of "servus servorum dei," servant of the servants of God." Should not the Cardinals and Bishops also "serve" and not just us little ones?
There are times when my heart
There are times when my heart is full and times when it is pinched and shriveled. Can one guess what causes a shriveled soul? Can this be a good thing, a holy way to live?
Exodus 20:13 says "You shall
Exodus 20:13 says "You shall not kill"
Matthew 19:18 has Jesus affirming this.
God didn't say "you shall not kill unless you also provide health insurance."
The bishops aren't saying anything that's very hard to understand. The CHA should just accept the commandments.
Exodus 20:13 says "You shall
Exodus 20:13 says "You shall not kill"
Well, except for all those times God commands Israel, Saul to kill all the inhabitants (men, women and children)of a particular land......or those verses don't apply somehow??? Shall we just overlook those???? :)
Or maybe we should look at the historical and cultural context of the text.....
Jesus also stated, "If your eye causes you to sin cut it off......." following your logic Jesus didn't say "only if you want to" or "don't cut it off unless you actually like having both hands"...now did he??? :)
Cheers,
As a very old, pre Vatican II
As a very old, pre Vatican II Catholic, I find my church very hard to defend to my numerous children and grandchildren. But here is my best effort: the religious sisters and the U.S. bishops are under a big tent...at least that is how I understand John Allen.
Dr. Porch is correct. If the
Dr. Porch is correct.
If the physicians at St. Joseph Hospital had followed the treatment plan devised by Bishop Olmsted, undoubtedly they and the hospital would now be facing massive lawsuits for malpractice and for wrongful death. Litigation attorneys are unfortunately not restrained by Catholic Church ERDS.
In addition the hospital might be subject to review and restriction of its license because of failure to comply with Standards of Care as determined by federal healthcare regulatory agencies.
One correction, Richard,
One correction, Richard, Litigation patients and their attorney's are not restrained by a Bishops interpretation of the ERD's that would cause wrongful death. This IS the way it should be. We must not restrain patients and their families from litigating wrongful death. This would be completely unethical and amoral. I would be like allowing a emergency room to be run by the dictates of Jehova's Whitnesses-- That is an ER without blood!
R. Dennis Porch, MD
I wonder if the hierarchy
I wonder if the hierarchy will ever acknowledge that the laity like them, are also "the people of God", baptized and confirmed, are living the Gospel they know through grace and experience, making honest and true decisions, and even if errant, will be judged only by the arbiter that really matters, God Himself, who knows the difference between faulty judgment and self-serving deception.
Perhaps if real communication was welcomed and actually existed with the people of God in all its relationships, we might be the Church of Christ living, growning, and even changing in all decades.
Shouldn't the Bishops be
Shouldn't the Bishops be serving CHA? Why would anyone need to serve the Bishops? Since they think that way, though, Keehan is probably enough of a politician to know when to bring in their cookies and milk.
Serving the Bishops and
Serving the Bishops and serving the Church are not the same thing. Only a Bishop would think otherwise.
It is time for the Bishops to leave CHA members alone at a local level. CHA should have its own "chain of command" for ethical questions which may involve the bishop dealing with a higher level organization than the local hospital. Olmsted and his crew just don't know engough about the directives to properly interpret their application.
Thank you, NJ Ladybug! I was
Thank you, NJ Ladybug! I was reading down the comments and trying to put into words my feelings over Archbishop Dolan's statement. All I could think of (being in my 70's and hence one who's lived in both the pre-Vatican II and post-Vatican II Church) was how the "good sisters" used to SERVE priests and bishops. If laypeople got close enough to SERVE we considered ourselves ever-so privileged. Anyway, I believe we are all called to serve Christ, not our bishops. Most of them are so sadly out of touch with those of us to try - in pain - to be faithful.
So thanks again, NJ Ladybug! You put it so well!
What troubles me the most is
What troubles me the most is that the Eucharist is being used as a weapon to force obedience.
I would be interest to know the time it now takes to find the local parish priest and have him (his rep) come to the hospital compared to the old system of just going down to the chapel.
Have you read the reports on
Have you read the reports on the former Hyde amendment, now called the No Taxpayer Money for Abortion Bill?
The bill redefines exemptions for rape, incest and life of the mother, Rape is redefines as forcible rape only.
Now where do you suppose that comes from?
And where is it going?
How about clergy (of any faith) who convince women that God told them to have a child by specific clergy?
That's not rape?
How about a women who is threatened verbally only? Does she have to endure physical assault of any kind of unpredictable force for it to be rape?
How about a woman whose children are threatened if she does not agree to sex?
That's not rape?
The Bishops are really interfering deeply into our country, IMHO. They support, if did not write this bill.
The bill is HR 3.
What is next? Redefine Incest? Redefine life of the mother?
Well, why not redefine Pedophilia, too.
I am increasingly impressed with how powerful the Bishops are in legislating the laws of this country.
Ann, This is more evidence
Ann, This is more evidence that we are entering a philosophical religious dark age at least in the minds of some.
A cloudy mind can be an
A cloudy mind can be an authentic interpreter of Catholic teachings as long as he imposes his interpretation to no one else but himself and the aged rascals to whom he unquestioningly renders blind obedience and loyalty. Let the Gospel values be the "interpreter" of our daily struggles and pains in life which God knows. That must be the authentical catholic living out of Christ´s message. All the rest is a reenactment of what the pharisees, saducees and scribes did to prevent Jesus from being compassionate. Sr. Carol, thanks for being compassionate and for being one with the suffering people of God amidst sanctions from "authentic interpreters" of Sanhedrin values!
seperation of curch and state
seperation of curch and state loljk l2follow policies plox..
More Vatican PR Spin from
More Vatican PR Spin from John Allen. Let's petition NCR for some counter-point articles to John's bias.
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