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How do you visualize 200,000 dying people?
Hiroshima's A-bomb dome (NCR photos/Joshua McElwee)HIROSHIMA -- It's simply impossible. You stand at the site of humankind's first use of nuclear weapons, and you can't come up with any way to understand it.
What scale is there for the human mind to comprehend so many dying people, suffering with wounds from the atomic blast and crying out for water?
The answer, I thought to myself outside Hiroshima's A-bomb dome, is that there isn't one.
The dome, one of the few remaining buildings after the Aug. 6, 1945, atomic bombing of the city, makes it all too incomprehensible. Where is the sense in this? What does such horror achieve?
After a few minutes with the dome, I had to ask my translator to leave me be. Almost falling into a bench, I let my eyes fill with tears. This is impossible. This is without any sense.
And yet, as there seems to be always somehow, there is something of redemption.
After visiting the A-bomb dome, my translator and I went for dinner. We wound up at a greasy-spoon kind of place, which specializes in a treat somewhat unique to Hiroshima, known in Japanese as "okonomiyaki."
A kind of mix of an omelet and a pancake, okonomiyaki consists of grilled batter topped with whatever is available -- cabbage, shrimp, eel, squid, pork, beef -- with a fried egg thrown in. It's simple, and delicious.
My okonomiyaki dinner
How's the redemption fit in? Curious about this new culinary find, I asked our cook how exactly this dinner was originally created. She replied, simply, that after the city's destruction by the atomic bomb there wasn't anything left. No vegetables to harvest, no animals to slaughter. One of the only foods easily imported were eggs. So, local people threw whatever else they could find in the mix, and there was dinner.
Think of it. Amidst ash -- there wasn't much left of most buildings in the city except ash -- people managed to come up with dinner somehow.
In even the darkest destruction, life carried on.






You know there was a war
You know there was a war going on, right? You've heard of World War II, the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Bataan death march? Do you have a recipe that will redeem the lives of Americans tortured and killed in the Philippines? Do they make nice lunches for the Korean comfort women the Japanese used as sex slaves? The people who fought for their lives may understand war a little better than you do.
You do know Japan was
You do know Japan was pleading for surrender before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and that the war was over?
You do know we purposefully selected relatively unbombed cities which until then had not been bombed and had sheltered noncombatants, women and children, in order to demonstrate to the Soviets on an untouched area the power of our new toy, with no regard for innocent lives and in direct contradiction of the principles of what you take as a just war theory, including discrimination and proportionality, and that our only purpose was to spook the Soviets?
You do know we did not throw an atom bomb on Tokyo because we had already firebombed it into total annihilation, as at Dresden?
You do know the production, possession and use of nuclear weapons has been declared a sin by the Catholic Church and we are the only nation on earth to have used them?
Today is a day of repentance
Come see my photos of a prayerful repentant prophetic people pleading for the end of their production in Los Alamos last weekend over at flickr.com/photos/charlesjscanlon in the appropriately titled portfolio
Mr. "charles j scanlon (not
Mr. "charles j scanlon (not verified)", you are in error.
Your first four paragraphs are all single sentence questions that start with "You do know ...".
You seem to be lecturing with inaccurate facts and then ending with a question mark; aren’t you? ;-}
I am a Vietnam Vet that has heard "shots fired in anger".
That quote is the title of a book: "Shots fired in anger" by Lt. Col. John B. George.
It is a rifleman's view of the war in the Pacific, 1942-1945, including the campaign on Guadalcanal and fighting with Merrill's Marauders in the jungles of Burma.
Here is an interesting Wikipedia article about the Guadalcanal Campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal
The Allied forces list 7,100 dead and the Empire of Japan forces list 31,000 dead.
These are representative numbers, even if Wikipedia is not completely accurate.
What would the death toll of combatants have been for continued fighting?
What would the death toll of non-combatants have been for continued fighting?
You seem to ignore these questions.
The President of the U.S. is our Military leader, as we know from civics class.
It is his responsibility to SAVE AMERICAN LIVES. (yes, I’m shouting)
Dropping those bombs SAVED AMERICAN LIVES. (still shouting)
Also, I am confused by two of your statements:
1. "... and that our only purpose was to spook the Soviets"
2. "... use of nuclear weapons has been declared a sin by the Catholic Church ..."
First, if our only purpose had to do with the Soviets, why did Japan surrender?
Second, you have a timing issue in that you want to apply today's "sins" to yesterday's actions.
All other discussion aside, I believe that the FACT that the second bomb was necessary to motivate Japan to surrender, "is" the justification for the decision to use of the first bomb.
BTW, even If you see a timing issue in that belief, I don’t! ;-}
Dominus vobiscum,
RJ
dude, I lived in Central
dude, I lived in Central America in the eighties where we very often heard US bullets fired by mercenary hands not in anger so much as in slavery to money.
There is no moral, justifiable, right, holy reason for our being the only nation to have used nuclear weapons, especially against sheltered civilian populations indiscriminately. The desperation here to justify this, our greatest national sin, to deny repentance and healing, to rejoin the communion of civilized nations, indicates the depth of our psychosis and our resolve to do it again.
This is not Catholic, as our popes, and bishops, have continually stated ever since.
There was no reason to throw the bombs, not even your chanting to get Japan to surrender. Japan was begging for us to accept its surrender in July. The incompetent amateur Harry Truman, a bankrupt haberdasher, and his psychotic generals wanted to spook our allies, the USSR with our big sticks and stones and insane willingness to use them against children.
Know our history, and repent, and resolve such horrors never again happen in our name. Yet still we irrationally, immorally build more, having sworn falsely not to.
Janice, I understand your
Janice, I understand your anger at so much of the horrors you mention and I don't have an answer for those brutalities. But as a Christian, please tell me what you think is a proper response in a Catholic Christian context. I think that is what is missing in your post.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/charlesjscanlon/sets/72157627319622890
and meditate Barefoot Gen
and the rest
"You stand at the site of
"You stand at the site of humankind's first use of nuclear weapons, and you can't come up with any way to understand it."
Why such a distortion of the truth? The bomb was dropped as a way of ending a horrible war started by the Japanese. Without the bomb many more lives of the Allies would have been lost due to continued fighting of the dug-in Japanese soldiers. I lost enough of my relatives due to trying to subdue the Japanese war machine intent on world domination at any cost. The terrible atrocities of the Japanese army are also not mentioned in your article. How many Japanese civilians would have been killed if the Allies had invaded Japan? The bombs ended a war that if prolonged would have cost many more lives.
On another front, Catholics in America are paying heavily through court decisions in favor of the victims of pedophile priests. The Vatican and the pedophile protecting bishops are the ones that should be punished but the Catholics in the pews are suffering through massive financial losses because they aided and abetted by not demanding change in our beloved church. The Japanese of the nuclear bomb blast cities aided and abetted the Japanese war machine and they suffered for their actions.
Howard
Howard, the war was over, and
Howard, the war was over, and we refused to accept Japan's surrender because we wanted to spook our Soviet allies by incinerating countless women and children sheltered in those cities, and leaving horrible painful deaths for countless more, even unto this day.
An aid to understanding is to
An aid to understanding is to reflect on what happened during the 1200 nights and days that came before the one on which you are focused. On the way home, visit the islands and high seas where the war was fought. The horror becomes no less but the meaning of what you looked at may become clear.
When I first read Pedro
When I first read Pedro Arrupe's account of his experience - he was in Japan in WW II as novice master, I think - the confusion, their not knowing what had happened or what to do - the reading stunned me and moved me and I felt as if I were on the brink of nothing. It is a day to pray in sorrow.
Father Arrupe was there:
Father Arrupe was there: somehow he managed to help people and even celebrate mass. The horror marked him for all his life, and tought him how to be compassionate. Let's hope that we can learn the same lesson, spread peace and opose the temptations of the pagan god of imperial war.
I read that by early August
I read that by early August 1945, the Japanese were hoping for a conditional surrender, whereby the would be able to keep the Emperor, give up their occupied possesions, such as Korea and Manchuria, and possibly avoid an Allied occupation. They hoped that the Soviets, who had been neutral with Japan would act as brokers of a conditional peace, but of course, the Soviets were not interested in helping the Japanese negotiate peace, and the sheer ferocity of the Pacific War, made any sort of conditional peace very unlikely.
The two atomic bombs shocked the Japanese, along with the Soviet invasion of Manchuria into surrendering. The atomic bomb was a horrible weapon and I suppose the use of it at Hiroshima could be debated either way. Using the second bomb on Nagasaki three days later is perhaps more questionable, given that we had just obliterated Hiroshima.
May no one ever use nuclear weapons again, as they are horrific, almost Satanic in their power to destroy and kill innocent civilians. In fact, we should avoid future wars whenever possible. War is not option 1 on a PowerPoint presentation: it is death and destruction and rarely do wars end the way the people who started them originally thought. you would think our leadership would have learned their lesson from Vietnam, but apparently not.
"The two atomic bombs shocked
"The two atomic bombs shocked the Japanese, along with the Soviet invasion of Manchuria into surrendering."
They were already surrendering as you mention here. That killer MacArthur refused to accept it.
"The atomic bomb was a horrible weapon and I suppose the use of it at Hiroshima could be debated either way."
Only one way for a Catholic to debate this and that is with our strongest condemnation, as our Popes have repeatedly and clearly and unequivocally stated.
Nagasaki only proves we were using those innocent cities indiscriminately and disproportionally, thus further immorally, as proving grounds to demonstrate our superior firepower to the Soviets and our absolutely mad readiness to use them against anyone, even civilian populations.
Saint Maximillian Kolbe is not only the patron of Auschwitz, as he was martyred there, but also of Nagasaki, as his Marian community was destroyed there.
Not "almost Satanic" but satanic, demonic, as repeatedly warned consistently by our church.
Their usage by us rendered us blood simple to use them again, and other weapons such as mines and cluster bombs whose principal target is civilians and children. We are the only nation on earth to stockpile cluster bombs, and the only nation to use nuclear weapons, and we refuse to repent; we are rendered blood simple, and we will use them again, as even now we in Los Alamos prepare more plutonium pits despite our treaties to the contrary.
We most unconditionally condemn them and do all we can to stop them.
I neither condemn nor condone
I neither condemn nor condone the decision that was made. If I could be transported back to the time and place and had the responsibility of decision, knowing what I know now I suspect my decisions and actions would be different.
But this is hindsight.
War is a tragedy and a waste.
War is a tragedy and a waste. That is true if one life is lost or a million. When two nation fight to the death, either country will use what ever means that are available to destroy the other. In modern warfare there is no front lines and innocent combatants. All are targets for each side. Calling it a sin is to wring hands and do nothing.
Positive steps are finding ways to avoid the fatal confrontation. What prompts this is that there are no winners in nuclear war. The weapons will continue to exist and will not be used unless one side uses them in desperation or somehow ignores the widespread destruction that would occur. We need to hear more about "Nuclear Winter". Carl Sagan probably did more for sanity on this subject than anyone who moralized the issue.
Atrocities in war happen
Atrocities in war happen because war is sin. As a general rule, we "say" a soldier cannot excuse his behavior by saying, "I was only following orders." Can we excuse a people when they say, "We were only following our leaders?"
We will never come to some medium point in either accepting or rejecting the use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. I found myself in a Tevyve quandary: they are both right.
War is a complex of sins. It is its own energy source, its own rationale, it's own justifications. The bombing of Hiroshima was wrong. The attack on Pearl Harbor was wrong. The fire bombing on Dresden was wrong. The bombing of Britain was wrong. It was all wrong. War is wrong. Does it then come to degrees of wrongness and what some of us conclude is more wrong than not? And who makes those conclusions? The victors? If Japan had won the war, would they have looked on Pearl Harbor as wrong?
I feel deeply with Mr. McElwee. Yet, in this sinful world with sinful countries and leaders, singling out certain acts of sinfulness requires a judgement beyond my mere ability to read hearts and minds.
Pearl Harbor would now be
Pearl Harbor would now be called a surgical strike against an obviously provocative military target poised to invade Japan. Japan was protecting its people, and nothing on shore was touched, not even the vast fuel reserves which would have delayed even further US involvement.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were exclusively civilian targets sheltering women and children which we incinerated immorally and indiscriminately fully cognizant of that fact.
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