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Gehring, Weigel and Cardinal George write about conscience compromise
Depending on who you believe, either President Obama is employing a "divide and conquer" strategy, pitting Catholic leaders against one another regarding his compromise over a controversial mandate regarding coverage of contraceptive services in health care plans, or the Catholic bishops "are moving the goal posts" in their supposed fight for religious liberty.
The dichotomy between the two views was highlighted yesterday in a flurry of statements and reports from bishops and other Catholic leaders concerning the compromise.
The archbishop of Chicago, Cardinal Francis George, argued for the first option in a written statement posted on the archdiocese's website yesterday, writing that there had been attempts to "weaken the unity between the bishops and the faithful."
Apparently referring to the differences in opinion between key bishops at the U.S. bishops' conference who say the compromise doesn't go far enough and other Catholic leaders who support it, including the heads of NETWORK and the Catholic Health Association, George writes that "this is the first time in the history of the United States that a presidential administration has purposely tried to interfere in the internal working of the Catholic Church, playing one group off against another for political gain."
An article posted on the National Catholic Register's website yesterday also took that tack, saying that the Catholic Health Association's immediate support of Obama's compromise created "confusion and possible institutional damage."
Vying for the second option, John Gehring, the Catholic outreach coordinator at Faith in Public Life, wrote in a piece posted to their website yesterday that the bishops "are moving the goal posts" in their continuing disapproval of the compromise.
"At some point [the bishops] have to ask themselves whether they want to fight these lonely battles from the sidelines or be engaged in a more prudent way," writes Gehring. "I’m afraid Catholic bishops run the risk of alienating even moderate Catholics who respect our church leaders when they appear to relish a fight instead of finding common ground."
"In the coming weeks it will be critical for those Catholic institutions that have supported this sensible solution to defend it with as much energy as bishops and Republican leaders will oppose it."
Also weighing to to support George's viewpoint this morning was Catholic author George Weigel in a piece for the National Review Online.
Writing that the Obama administration is misreading Catholics, Weigel says the thing that is "truly striking" about how the White House is explaining the compromise is that it is continually referring to the Catholic Health Association's support, suggesting that the association "trump[s] the bishops’ conference when it [comes] to who-speaks-for-the-Catholic-Church-in-America."
"In the administration’s view, then, primacy in the Catholic Church is not conferred by the pope, but by the White House," writes Weigel.
"Thus Sister Carol Keehan could be recognized by the president’s chief of staff as primate of the Catholic Church in the United States, because she headed an organization that “knows a fair amount about . . . health care in this country” — unlike, for example, those mulish bishops who had failed to be taken in by the administration’s shell game."
Continuing on in his letter, George appears to address recent polling data showing the bishops' concerns regarding religious liberty are not echoed by the majority of lay Catholics.
"What isn’t always understood is that the Bishops of the Church make no attempt to speak for all Catholics; they never have," George writes.
"The Bishops speak for the Catholic and apostolic faith, and those who hold that faith gather around them. Others disperse. That dynamic is clear in history and became clear also in the official visit to Rome that the Bishops of our region made this week."
Referring to the Illinois' bishops' recent ad limina visit to Rome, George concludes: "Our visit has reminded us that the Church enjoys divine assistance even when she is being attacked. It was a timely visit."






It would be amazing if
It would be amazing if President Obama has such insight into Catholicism that he could divide and conquer the Catholic Church. I would have to speculate that he was God's instrument in God's effort to fix the Church in that case.
The more likely situation is that President Obama see hospitals as hospitals first and agents of Catholicism a distant second. Likewise with universities. It appears that he prefers to give more weight to the opinions of people with actual medical, educational, and management qualifications than to the opinions of spiritual leaders.
Cardinal George is
Cardinal George is perpetually defensive, always seeing Catholics under assault. So sad that George is always trying to deflect responsibility for the precarious position of the church from himself and his "brother bishops" onto his twisted imagination of perceived enemies. George continually confuses himself, or hierarchs, as the 'Catholic Church."
As my sainted sixth-grade teacher, Sister Mary Adelaide, always warned us: "Don't ever confuse the church, for the Christ."
Let's stipulate that the role
Let's stipulate that the role of a spokesperson is to "speak for" a person or organization, conveying an "official" policy or position. They are AUTHORIZED people; they are not necessarily AUTHORITY people. And never, ever should they be credited with speaking beyond the views of those formally authorizing them. A sensus fidelium--in a religion or in a political party--is a "voice" not externally ordered or authorized.
COERCION, NOT CONSCIENCE
COERCION, NOT CONSCIENCE ........ Obama has a moral obligation to do what he was elected to do-- provide health care to all, including middle class and poor women. He must prudently resist accepting the bishops' Rabbit Rule--- BREED, BREED, BREED.... !!!
As one perceptive NCR woman blogger said, if bishops could become pregnant, contraception would be a sacrament. God has enabled Catholics today to plan pregnacies and 99% of the People of God want that option to bring some order to their lives.
The propaganda of the pope and the bishops and their apologists are only driving more voters to Obama. Dolan's shameful suggestion that Sr. Carol Keehan, head of the US Catholic Hospital Assoviation and a supporter of Obama's compromise, has been bribed by HHS Secretary Sibelius shows how desparate Dolan is to please the pope.
Jesus refused to be a shill for the wealthy Sadducees. He used moral persuasion to try to change behavior, not coercion. The popes since Constantine have used government coercion instead and have often been shills for the wealthy. It's time for the pope and bishops to find their copies of the New Testament and read the Gospels, instead of spending so much time with lobbyists and lawyers and Republican operatives.
For more on the pope's ploy to replace Obama with a "friendlier" Republican, like Santorum, as US prosecutor-in-chief, please note the comment, "Apologists Applaud, So?", readily accessible by clicking on at:
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/letter-decrying-contraception-compr...
For more on the "conscience or coercion" choice, please note the comment, "Conscience or Coercion", readily accessible by clicking on at:
http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/rehabilitating-conscience
Yes, Jerry, what the Bishops
Yes, Jerry, what the Bishops could not do in the pulpit ----- convince 90% of Catholics to not us Birth Control, they now want to legislate. They say without this legislation that they are not free to "practice" their religion. "BC is not to be used by anybody or at least anybody that is too poor to pay for the pills." While the Bishops blabber so much none sense, the Church is aflame in the implosion of all the Episcopal leadership from Rome to New York and any small diocese that has a bishop who only uses the group think of current major leaders leaders.
Let us, the laity, go back to the 2 Vatican Papal commissions who studied the matter of BC. Even though the composition of these groups were tinkered with by Cardinal Ottivoni and others, they still agreed with all the major Catholic Theologians and scientists that the use of BC pills should be allowed into the Catholic Church. It was on Thomas Aquinas who stated that he would rather be excommunicated than to do something against his conscience. Let the Bishops begin to excommunicate all the laity for not obeying them. The Bishops are in full schism with The People of God. In their attempts to control people with sexual rules an regulations, they can not even control themselves as the Richard Sipe research points out that only about 50% of so called celibate clergy are celibate at one time. With the crisis in leadership that did nothing about these "celibate Priests" that rapped our young girls and boys, these Bishops have not a leg to stand on(no testosterone either.) The laity of every diocese should send out a resolution to each catholic. That resolution should be to throw the Bums out.
We have been continually lied to by most of these men----- Throw them OUT.
CATHOLICS AS RABBITS
CATHOLICS AS RABBITS .......... Thanks, Dennis.
For more detail on how we got here, please read the comment, "Catholics Are Not Rabbits", readily accessible by clicking on at:
http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/what-about-contraception
Well, I suppose Cardinal
Well, I suppose Cardinal George is correct: with 90-some percent of American Catholics practicing birth control (without a guilty conscience) the U.S. bishops certainly don't speak for all-or even most--Catholics on the issue of contraception. The bishops DO speak for the "Catholic and apostolic faith," but that's not what's at issue here. The faithful DO gather around them on matters of faith, but they apparently "disperse" on matters of sex.
If it comes down to needing a
If it comes down to needing a single sentence to summarize where we are it's your last sentence. It would be interesting to hear answers from "both sides" to the question: And what's wrong with that? Just maybe we have less of a "faith problem" than folks think.
Really well stated. I
Really well stated. I stopped confusing the two issues a long time ago and now feel that every time our bishops insist on equating the two they are in a very real sense, engaging in a form of spiritual rape of the laity. How many more will leave the Church over these overtly political sermons at Sunday Mass? It's no wonder our bishops never seem to get much real headway in the sexual abuse crisis.
When bishops are always about sex, and it's always about their power; it's always about rape in one form or another.
I am intrigued that Cardinal
I am intrigued that Cardinal George of Chicago assumnes that there is some kind of "unity between the bishops and the faithful" on the issue of contraception. This may be more a matter is wishful thinking rather than fact. Leave the chancery building and visit the real world, your eminence.
Open letter to bishops: Well
Open letter to bishops:
Well boys, it's time to go home. You've tried politics, but, again, you're not very good at that either. You're supposed to be pastoral and spiritual leaders. But the pews are emptying; the young are turning away; you are closing parishes and schools, then turning around and buying glass monstrosities. There are few priests under 60 years old. Plus, the presence of child molesters hasn't gone away. All summed up, you're not very good at much of anything. However, all is not lost You're still very good at secrecy silence, and conspiring
So, maybe it's time to go away. Go find some contemplative monasteries, take a year or so to silently examine your weaknesses, determine the meaning of service to the faithful while asking for guidance in humility. Lent is coming. That seems like a very good time to begin your contemplations. Really, you won't be missed at all.
The question is not about
The question is not about contraceptives; it is about government intrusion into the practice of religion which is a first ammendment right.
In 2011, there were three demoninations, which experienced growth. One of them was the Catholic Church. In August, there were almost two million youth in Madrid celebrating their faith and cheering for the Pope.
Since 2007, there has been a 20 percent increase in seminarian enrollment. The recently built seminary in Washington DC is filled to capacity as is its neighboring seminary in MD. One Dominican province welcomed a number of men entering that they had not seen since 1966.
There was one recorded incident of child abuse by a priest in 2011.
Catholic schools are closing in the inner city because demographics have changed. In the suburbs, most Catholic schools have a waiting list, and finally, with its sad history, Boston now has 65 men studying to be priests in the archdiocese.
This has become a strawman
This has become a strawman concern about the free exercise of religion aka First Amendment Rights. It appears that the uber-Catholic phalanx seems to what that anyone who claims the free exercise of their religion (dogma? personal theology? divine revelation? peep stones?) can therefore discriminate by anything, i.e., class, gender, race, sexual orientation, age, marital status, etc. so long as it fits their definition of "free exercise."
Ask the LDS how they were able to practice polygamy under the “free exercise” clause.
Ask Christian Scientists who want to withhold medical care from their minor children.
Ask anyone who is not a member of the Native American Church if (s)he can use peyote in the “free exercise” of his/her religion.
Ask anyone who is not a member of a religious group that expouses conscientious objection, but does so personally, if they can claim that status as part of their “free exercise” without one heck of a hassle that they will most likely lose.
Ask parents who want to have a free hand in any kind corporal punishment of their children that happens to be in violation of various laws about the “free exercise” of their religious beliefs.
Ask someone who takes the Hebrew Scriptures to heart and wants to own slaves about “free exercise.”
If anyone can find it, they
If anyone can find it, they should read “The Politics of Sex and Religion” by Robert Blair Kaiser, published in 1985. It recounts the history of “Humanae Vitae”.
Pope Paul VI took the issue away from the Second Vatican Council and gave it to a committee. The bishops, realizing they didn’t have the – ah - knowledge to understand the issue called on experts, namely married couples. The committee approved artificial contraception, but two minority members of the committee couldn’t accept it and prevailed on the Pope not to change the teaching. That created the current standoff between the bishops and the faithful.
Pope Paul VI removed the
Pope Paul VI removed the issue of contraception from the council agenda because he was acutely aware of the sharp divisions already existing in the church in general, as well as in the hierarchy in particular. This was going on before President Obama was born.
Despite warnings from reputable theologians such as Avery (Cardinal) Dulles, Paul VI's successors have stacked the hierarchy with Humanae Vitae loyalists, successfully polarizing the Roman church. Whereas Paul VI withdrew contraception from the conciliar agenda, Catholic women withdrew their support of Humanae Vitae and its defective, "flat earth theology" that some talking heads with pointy hats insist is infallible.
Predictably, we are now seeing a rapid diminution of deference to episcopal pronouncements of all kinds, coupled with the creeping irrelevance of their authority to Catholic life as it is lived outside the church building. Given their partisan viewpoints, the Georges, Gehrings and Weigels will increase the divide that las long been present, and accelerate the decline and fall of church authority and the "magisterium."
Anyone can can anything. If
Anyone can can anything. If the story were true, Pope Paul would have left it as it was and not comment on it. Instead, he wrote Humanae Vitae, extolling adherence to the Church's teaching. That particular tale has circulated since Vatican II, with no evidence to back it.
Except the standoff isn't
Except the standoff isn't between the bishops and the faithful. Its between some bishops who teach Humanae Vitae, and some who are silent about it. Its between some laity who accept the Church's teachings in the Gospel of Life, some who openly question them, and some who reject them out of hand.
Your juxtaposition may be helpful for getting out the pitchforks and starting class warfare with the hierarchy, but it doesn't adequately reflect the picture. You may contend that the vast majority of the bishops are one way and the majority of the laity are another....even if we grant that, it still indicates a flawed metric or a flawed conclusion.
"the Gospel of Life"?
"the Gospel of Life"? Hopefully you are speaking of Cardinal Bernardin's 'seamless garment' of life.
I'm cnfused too, I thought we
I'm cnfused too, I thought we were supposed to be following the Gospel of love.
I guess it's just easier to follow the Gospel of life since fetuses don't, you know, actually need food stamps or something.
Thanks for the tip on the
Thanks for the tip on the book. I found it on Amazon.
In re: separating the bishops from the faithful: that happened long ago. Need psychological testing for these clerics to see if they know reality when it bites them.
Here is a well reasoned
Here is a well reasoned stance we can all take when the Bishops go haywire. Charles De Gaulle, when returning to France in 1944 found that the vast majority of the French Catholic bishops collaborated with the Vichy and German occupiers. He announced they were dead to him. He retired to a small town and was a weekly and sometimes daily communicant at a small village church with an old priest and is buried in that small courtyard. Vive la Foi. I have found my haven..
It is interesting that
It is interesting that Cardinal George does not feel he must represent the faithful. I guess we know why the USCCB is one of the few organizations with a lower approval rating than Congress. It is okay to ask us to write to our Congressman and Senator but don't expect that he will listen to our concerns. With the compromise offered by the President, it is clear that this is now strictly politics. Perhaps the bishops can fire up all those Washington lobbiest we are paying for and waste more of our money on a cause Catholics long ago abandoned. The religious freedom argument rings hollow and the political division in the church grows. A great bunch of shepherds we have running the church.
Cardinals do not have to
Cardinals do not have to represent the sheeple. Said sheeple have no say in anything that pertains to Cardinals.
They have to please the Big Kahuna in Rome who has raised them to 32nd degree status and can shower them with privilege and influence, or withhold them at will.
You know, the type of autocratic daddy who haunts the memories of many of us.
The real problem, in any
The real problem, in any religion:
Fundamentalism: The real problem, in any religion
By Rev. Richard P. McBrien
Too many people --- politicians and ordinary citizens alike --- continue to refer to the "war on terror" as if terrorism were the enemy. As a number of more careful commentators have pointed out, terrorism is simply the deadly means employed by the enemy; it is not itself the enemy.
The real and immediate enemy is Islamic fundamentalism. Not Islam as such, but Islamic fundamentalism. To be sure, the all-encompassing problem is fundamentalism of every kind, in whatever religious tradition it is found.
Religious fundamentalism flourishes, for example, within Shi'ite and Wahabist Islam, within ultra-orthodox and orthodox Judaism (the Haredim and Hasidim), within so-called Bible-belt Protestantism, and increasingly, in recent decades, within Roman Catholic traditionalist circles as well.
Of course, fundamentalism is a complex phenomenon, having been the subject of serious and sustained study by Martin Marty, emeritus professor of church history at the University of Chicago, and his former student and current Notre Dame professor, R. Scott Appleby, who co-edited a highly regarded five-volume series on the topic.
Given the general focus and audience of this column, however, its attention will be directed mainly to Catholic fundamentalism, with the hope that its broader ecumenical and inter-faith implications will be evident.
One of the best articles ever written on the subject of Catholic fundamentalism appeared over 17 years ago in the Jesuit weekly, America (April 11, 1987). It was entitled, "The Rise of Catholic Fundamentalism." Its author, Jesuit Father Patrick M. Arnold, has since died.
So impressive was his piece that I devoted an entire column to it. I think it worthwhile now, if only as a memorial to Father Arnold, to reproduce the main points of his article. It stands up very well indeed to the passage of years.
Like all careful and insightful observers of the fundamentalist scene, Father Arnold took care to distinguish between fundamentalism and conservatism, with which it is often confused, to the detriment of conservatism.
Conservatism, he insisted, fulfills a necessary and constructive role in the church and in society alike. It is concerned with preserving a community's historical heritage, especially in times of cultural change. It urges a cautious approach, as captured, for example, in the familiar saying: "Look before you leap."
Fundamentalism, on the other hand, is neither necessary nor constructive. Working out of an absolutist perspective, it sees the world as filled with evil forces conspiring against everything that it regards --- with unquestioned certitude --- as true and good.
Father Arnold identified five unhealthy characteristics of religious fundamentalism in general and of Catholic fundamentalism in particular.
First, it is marked by paranoia and self-righteousness. There is always some terrible enemy out there that has to be fought and ultimately destroyed.
Fundamentalism is marked, secondly, by fear and rage directed not only against the enemy outside the ranks but even more intensely against the enemy within, including bishops, priests, sisters and theologians.
Father Arnold called this "the most revealing and dangerous characteristic" of fundamentalists because it leads them to engage in divisive activities. They spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to purge people, to get them fired, to destroy their reputations and, therefore, their influence.
Fundamentalists are captivated, thirdly, by the "myth of the Golden Age." They imagine that Catholicism in the decades just before Vatican II was in its pristine and ideal state, exactly as God intended it to be, without problems or deficiencies of any kind.
For the fundamentalist, fourthly, all truth is to be found in a single source. For the Muslim, it is the Koran. For the Jew, the Torah. For Protestants, the Bible. And for Catholics, the pronouncements of the pope and the Roman Curia.
Fifthly, religious fundamentalists tend to link themselves with right-wing political regimes and movements in the hope of advancing their own theocratic policies. Accordingly, Catholic fundamentalists are unenthusiastic about Catholic social teaching. They tend instead to emphasize a limited range of other issues as if they were primary.
Less than two years later, another Jesuit scholar, Father John Coleman, addressed the same topic in Commonweal magazine, linking today's Catholic fundamentalists with the Integralist movement of the early-20th century. The Integralists also claimed that the most dangerous enemies of the church are within, and that the way to deal with them is through censorship, repression and even excommunication.
Father Coleman offered some examples: Comunione e Liberazione in Italy, Opus Dei in Spain and around the world, and Catholics United for the Faith and the Wanderer Forum in the United States.
Not since the pontificate of Pius X (1903-14), when the Integralists flourished, have groups of this type enjoyed such favor at the highest levels of the Vatican.
Thanks, Manuel. This was
Thanks, Manuel.
This was quite informative and a good summary of the fundamentalism in the Catholic Church.
Why do you suppose it is that
Why do you suppose it is that McBrien assumes the schizophenic mind of God regarding the nature of truth, and God's evilness for abandoning us to capricious self-destruction?
I beg your pardon: could you
I beg your pardon: could you translate your argument in a modern language? I forgot my Sanskrit.
It seems really silly to me
It seems really silly to me that one would put "fundamentalism" related to the bible (suggested of "bible belt Prots) in one category with Islam, or even Roman Catholicism. That is if one considers the bible to be God's Word.
Wasn't it Cardinal George who
Wasn't it Cardinal George who uttered THESE paranoid words when civil unions were approved in Illinois in 2011:
"I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr." And then he wonders why people are protesting and calling for his resignation outside his cathedral this past week:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/02/12/activists-rally-for-same-sex-marr...
http://www.facebook.com/events/222265764531615/
I wonder how he would have handled these two priests?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17032567
These Bishops have powerful
These Bishops have powerful allies. Rush Limbaugh said yesterday that Democrats love BC and abort their own. Rush had 4 wives and no kids.. what are the odds on that? NFP for all 4 worked well?????????????????????????.
If only George's quote would
If only George's quote would come to past. I'd like to see the day when catholic bishops are put in jail for their crimes against humanity.
Cardinal George's comments
Cardinal George's comments are more evidence that it is time for local clergy and the people to elect bishops rather than having them appointed by the Holy See. Sister Carol's comments have everything to do with representing the views of her members on both health care reform and paying for contraception by their employees, since they are in the trenches on these issues. The bishops need to listen to her rather than Richard Doerflinger, whose links to the NRLC compromise his objectivity. Sister Carol needs to lend him an embryology book from the library of one of her members.
The President may have
The President may have already compromised too much, since the EEOC has previously ruled that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act already gaurantees contraceptive coverage to all women getting preventative care and the policies of any Church organization already reflect this, probably already including parish staff. He would have been better off citing this fact in August in a notice saying that comments were not required on this issue. Giving the Church the chance to get lathered up over this issue was a mistake, although likely a cynically deliberate one, desiged to tempt the bishops to go to far - which is what some reporting indicates Axelrod had in mind, assuming he was involved in this issue (which should have been considered below Obama's pay grade). While the bishops could be upset by being played in this way by Axe, they still walked into the trap and are still badly advised for doing so. Doerflinger and Carr should have known better than to take the bait.
"The Bishops speak for the
"The Bishops speak for the Catholic and apostolic faith, and those who hold that faith gather around them." George Weigel
Really? Did Bernard Law speak for the faith when he said victims of child sex abuse by priests were guilty of soliciting their own abuse? Does Timothy Dolan speak for the faith when he says most people who claim to be victims are frauds? Did Francis George speak for the Catholic faith when he said the gay pride movement could become the new KKK?
What Weigel assumes is that the bishops have a particular prudential judgement that Catholics must look to to know what to do. Apparently Weigel hasn't noticed is that their prudential judgement is often MIA.
Speaking of prudential judgement, it should be remembered that Weigel said, right before George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq, "only an idiot believes that Iraq does not have weapons of mass destruction."
The Bishops aren't very
The Bishops aren't very intelligent. One thing that's become painfully clear over the past two weeks is that John Paul II's and Benedict XVI's appointees as Bishops are simply not very intelligent men. To wit, first they argued that it wasn't about contraception, then they admitted that it was about contraception. They've resorted to phrasings such as "violent opposition." And now we're treated to the sad spectacle of petulance and paranoia that mark Francis George. The stammering statements, hyperemotionalism, and paranoia we've observed over the past two weeks are the tell-tale signs of men who are used to, and are aware of, being outwitted.
What a surprise; Weigel
What a surprise; Weigel continues to write and think in the ratio of 10,000,000:1.
I simply cannot envision
I simply cannot envision Jesus standing up and demanding Rome bend to His will, evidently the Bishops can. I believe it's up to the individual to accept or not what the insurance covers, not what the Bishops demand it covers or does not cover. In other words give to Rome what belongs to Rome. The Bishops are out to defeat Obama if at all possible because the next President will determine the makeup of the Supreme Court for the foreseeable future.
The attack on the Church is
The attack on the Church is being made by the Bishops not the White House. More specifically, we have the Bishops beating up on the Sensus Fidelium and blaming the White House. The Bishops have been anti-Obama from the get-go. Yes, the Bishops have moved the goal-post. They continue to be an incredibly arrogant group of people who continue on their self-defeating path to render themselves totally irrelevant. Unfortunately, I bought into the Bishop's initial overture on the religious liberty issue. Like Joe Feruello, (NCR February 13, 20120, I now feel like an idiot. I was taken. What's happened is that the Bishops themselves opened the door for a grand discussion and review of the old birth control issue. They got the President's positive accommodation and the Sensus Fidelium’s loud negative response. I suppose that was humiliating for the Bishops. So they responded by blaming President Obama and Sister Carol Keehan for the backlash that their own stupidity unleashed. It's interesting that, so far as I know, they haven't publically taken on the Jesuit Colleges and Universities as yet.
Anonymous
What these posts illustrate
What these posts illustrate is how cold-bloodedly oblivious lib Catholics are to the carnage around them. Just how do you plan to explain, at your final accounting, that indulging smug, infantile, defiant trivializations of Catholic truth was more important to you than rescuing the innocents from their slaughter.
Just a question for the Obama worshipers. What kind of expert do you suppose he asks as to what criminal penalties should be given for those seeking to give medical aid to babies born alive during abortion procedures?
Your calling unborn children
Your calling unborn children "innocents" is a very serious act of heresy, the denial of the doctrine of original sin. You will be escorted to the stake at noon tomorrow.
I first read the suggestion
I first read the suggestion (or implication) of a 'divide & conquer' strategy in the Feb. 10 New York Times article by Helene Cooper & Laurie Goodstein who wrote that the President's revision "was never really driven by a desire to mollify Roman Catholic bishops... Rather, the fight was for... Catholic allies of the White House seen as the religious left." That assertion was confirmed 2 days later when White House chief of staff Jack Lew told Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday: "We didn’t expect to get universal support of the bishops or all Catholics." But it appears to me that the President has only succeeded in dividing his original Catholic supporters.
What the Bishops have done is
What the Bishops have done is assure the reelection of President Obama. They are projecting that most women in their 20-40's will be voting for the President due to the reaction from the church in regard to birth control. Women are standing up for a very inexpensive and needed addition to insurance. Good going guys!!!!
What is also possible is that
What is also possible is that the President decided that protecting the religious freedom of those who work for Catholic hospitals is as important as protecting the religious freedom of the Catholic bishops.
The only way to do that is to let each individual decide if she will use birth control or not. Those who believe what the bishops believe don't have to take the evil Pill. Those who believe God likes the idea that they plan their families can take the good Pill.
Each utilizes her own conscience.
Imagine actually respecting the Baptist doctor, the Methodist nurse, and the Muslim accountant who works at the Catholic hospital. My mother would approve, even if my bishop would not.
Socially they are children in
Socially they are children in a tantrum for what they believe they must have.
A kind parent might tell them to be careful as they might get exactly what they ask for only to find it may not be exactly what they want. What a shame for catholic adults to have to endure these spoiled brats.
Mens sana in corpore sano!
TomC
Thank you Manuel, for posting
Thank you Manuel, for posting Rev. McBrien's article, it was an intelligent and thought provoking addition to the discussion. It certainly adds some perspective to current issues.
I am a married man of 30
I am a married man of 30 years.... trying to be faithful catholic, but God knows falls terribly short. My wife and I have never used artificial birth control. I did not see how I could ask her to take artificial hormones and turn off a perfectly operating reproductive system would be a good thing. We practiced n f p .... and yes have a family of 7 children. I probably would only have had 4...... thank God I didn't listen to me. I woulda missed out on 3 incredible human beings .My wife is 50 now.... still cycling...and yes we still are practicing nfp.. and I thank God the church guided me this way. I totally respect the way my wife is made.... fertility and all. I really didn't need to medicate her to make her available to me anytime I wanted. I see the beauty now.. I really didn't see it when I was 23.... I just had to really on my faith at that time. I'm not trying to be provocative or in anyone's face... I just want to tell you it can be done without the artificials... do you really think these are a good thing for women to be on from the time they are young girls to the day they want to have a baby? Anyway I've said enough ....God bless.
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