Mary and Jesus as mother and son

"Britain was as misogynistic as they come." Was that all of Britain, or just England? How about Wales? Or Galway? How could a grown man announce that an entire nation was misogynistic?

When Jesus separated Himself from Mary and was leaving His house in Nazareth to begin His evangelization He knows this is the 4th sorrow of Mary, His separation from her. She knew what Jesus was about to begin and where it would end, on Calvary. She cried but she didn't try to keep Him back. She knew the road she and Her Son would follow. She was a strong woman to allow Her Son to leave without complaining. She cried and she cried for all mothers who in the future were to cry for their children as they left their homes for war etc. She wants us to accept our sorrows with resignation, to pray through our tears. She is our perfect Mother and example of all mothers on the earth. No one has a sorrow which she doesn't understand. She and Jesus are the Models for us to follow. Jesus says, My Blood and Mary's tears are the mixture that fortifies those destined to a heroic fate...obliberates their imperfections and sins they committed if they suffered for God. The Poem of the Man God. God Bless You.

Today is Holy Trinity Sunday. Has anyone thought about Mary being the Spouse of God the Father and the Holy Spirit and the mother of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity? She is so elevated as to be second next to God. Mary probably bared her arms in Nazareth but in her appearances all over the world She chooses to be very modest in wearing long sleeves and long dresses. Shouldn't we respect Her desire to be depicted as such? She is purity itself. She is the hardest working mother that ever existed...a role mother for our generation...she is doing everything possible to bring us back to Her God and Spouse. She calls herself "Queen of Peace". We should be begging her to help us receive that Peace that only the Holy Spirit can give. Baptism, Confession, Confirmation aren't enough to get us through life with the Holy Spirit. We should pray daily this prayer. Come Holy Spirit. Come to me by the powerful intercession of the Virgin Mary, your well beloved spouse. God Bless You.

Delightful interview with Jones. When reading and re-reading the New Testament I realized that Mary was not a meek or silent lady at all. I had been taught at school and church wrong ideas about Mary that were not scriptural and not authentic to Jesus or the New Testament.

Mary spoke out a lot, the Magnificat, the Cana wedding insisting Jesus do his first public miracle, the crowd where she stood with his brothers and sisters warning him to be careful for his safety, she being a good mother.

Mary is a strong, outspoken, confident, intelligent woman of courage and wisdom who yes was mother to other children too. The bible is precise, kinship terms whether in greek, aramaic or hebrew, relate that they are his brothers and sisters {NOT cousins}. Why this silly obsession with celibacy and 'no-sex we're catholics', it is 'Mary', etc. Sex is not wrong, it too is a gift from God, Mary is still Holy and the mother of Jesus who is fully human and fully divine even if Mary went on to have more children as a good Jewish wife with Joseph so that Jesus would be fully human too and grow in wisdom of being raised in a real family, to be connected to us, and to have compassion, empathy, humor, intelligence, wisdom raised in real family life brings.

Did Jesus and two of his brothers called "Sons of Thunder", also in the bible, go and learn from the female prophet Thunder whose book is in the Gnostic Bible by Willis Barnstone (amazing, beautiful scholarly concise commentaries prior to each text)? Jesus had so much respect for women, including his mother. Woman, how great is your faith. Men and women are both Apostles. Warner's book Alone Of All Her Sex is about Mary too and it is great.

Great to explore this Mr. Jones. Great interview. Thanks for drawing our attention to Mary Mother of God, Mother of Jesus, Queen of Heaven. I also think the rosary is important too. I also think it is God, our Mother and our Father in Heaven, as it is on earth, both sexes are good to God and to Jesus.

Where do people get the idea that God is a mother? Jesus calls Him Father. Isn't this good enough? Mary is our Mother. It's too bad that people want to say Mary had other children other than Jesus. Where were they when Jesus died on the cross? Why did Jesus give Mary to John, a bachelor, a young man? He was a virgin like Mary. They were two pure saints living together. Mary of Clophas was the mother of James and Jude. She was the sister-in law of Mary. Her husband was the brother of Joseph. John and James the Greater were fishermen and Jesus called them sons of thunder because they had bad tempers at one time. Please read The Poem of the Man God, dictated by Jesus to Maria Valtorta in the 1940's. It will clear up all the mistaken ideas being passed down. Jesus says the Poem is to help all the people who are believing strange things and to help them understand the Bible, especially the New Testament. God Bless You.

The New Testament and then Old Testament show us God is also Father and Mother. The Old Testament has several references to God as female. Theologians let us know this.

The New Testament has Jesus call himself BakerWOMAN making us the Bread of Life and MOTHER HEN Gathering us under HER wings. Jesus provides us with FEMALE images of himself. JESUS does that! St Paul refers to himself as giving us MILK from his breasts.

God is both male and female as on earth we have both male and female.
That is NATURAL LAW to have BOTH genders. God created humans in God's own image, MALE and FEMALE created and it is Good. Genesis.

That's where people get the ideas. From Scripture, the bible.

How do we know Jesus had brothers and sisters. That same BIBLE informs us in precise language!

If you have been taught inaccuracies and distortions instead be obedient to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the bible and re-think the errors you have been taught. God is both Mother and Father and Jesus had brothers and sisters.

Actually God is neither male or female...He is a spirit. When God created man and woman the reason we are in His image is because God puts His Spirit, our soul, into us. When we die we will only have our spirit left to go to heaven, purgatory or hell. God gave us free will and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. The main thing is to pray that we have the Holy Spirit in us to guide us to the truth of the Bible. The reason Jesus dictated the Poem of the Man God to Maria Valtorta was to explain the many distortions believers have in studying the Bible. The church has said there is nothing in these volumes that are against the Church. In Medjugorje Mary said that The Poem is true. Mother Teresa carried it with her. Padre Pio insisted people read it. Jesus, in the Poem, tells us that He had no brothers or sisters and that family members called each other brother. Alpheus, the brother of St. Joseph, and Mary of Clopas were the parents of James and Jude and others. So these would make them cousins, in the eyes of the world, because Joseph was not the real father of Jesus. These young men were taught at home along with Jesus when they were young, by the Blessed Virgin. They later became apostles. We all are searching for the truth and many people have found the answers they seek in reading the Poem of the Man God. Jesus says in the Poem, "Take, do take this work and do not seal it, and read it and have it read because the time is close and let those who are holy become holier." He also says, "The most profound reason for the gift of this work is that in the present time, when modernism becomes corrupted in more and more harmful doctrines , the Church, represented by My Vicar, will have further material to fight against those who deny the supernaturalness of dogmas, the Divinity of the Christ, the doctrine of Paul and John, the Divine origin of the Sacraments, the universality and continuity of the Gospel until the end of time, the perfect nature of My doctrine, the Gospel for all those thirsting to know God." When you read This Poem of the Man God you will know the person of Our Lord Jesus Christ and it will change your life. God Bless You.

Actually God is neither male or female...He is a spirit

Talk about an oxymoron .......... :-)

Patty, The question of Does Mary approve of the Poem of the Man God has been asked many, many times of the 6 visionaries in Medjugorje so I couldn't give you the exact place and time of each one but I was there in June, 1990, the week of Corpus Christi which occured on a Thursday. Someone asked Marija if Our Lady approved of it and she said yes and to read it. Later on I read where Our Lady said "it's true, read it." Go to Mariavaltorta webring.com. They have all the answers. Also mej.com is another site. The Blessed Mother appears in Alabama every year with one of the Medjugorje visionaries and this group, Caritas of Birmimgham, promotes The Poem and sells it. This book is so outstanding...you learn so much. Actually there are five volumes and they are about $50. each. I don't know about the church stating that Mary is co-redemptrix. In the Poem Jesus says St. Joseph is the first of the co-redeemers because he suffered so much for several days when he saw that Mary was pregnant. He also said we can be co-redeemers with Him when we offer our sufferings up to God in union with Jesus' sufferings. But the co-redeemer, par excellence, is Mary. Have you heard of the Two Hearts? Jesus wants His Mother , as the Immaculate Heart to be right beside Him as the Sacred Heart. I have the picture. You are so right when you say we need faith, hope and love...also justice and peace in this sick world. Something I pray everyday is "Let me be love for You and Your people." If we become love we will be like God who is all love. Right now Jesus says He is mercy but He also is justice and we should be prepared for the justice of God which is coming soon. God Bless you.

This is the most important relationship in scripture, because unless you understand it, you cannot understand why Jesus finally called out in despair on the Cross.

While it is fashionable to believe that the nativity stories are an add-on, I believe they are essential - since they locate Jesus' knowledge of himself in His mother's telling of them and in His reading of the scripture, rather than in some proto-gnostic self-awareness. When He entrusted her to John's care, He rejected both this origin belief and His mission. He did not give John instructions to baptize all nations or even await the Resurrection. He essentially told those He loved that He was a he - dead man hanging.

Understand this and you understand all of Christianity, including that the purpose of morality is not to placate God, but to live well on Earth. This view is mutually exclusive from the view that God is angry and his anger must be satisfied by blood. Instead, the blood is to be shared as Jesus shared our despair (I thirst).

Believing this rather than a punishing God requires going out on the skinny branches of faith.

Michael, are you saying that Jesus rejected His mission? Are you saying His death on the cross, His sacrfice as the Lamb of God for all people was in vain? His sacrifice is repeated for us every single minute on earth, for 24 hours, at the Mass, so all mankind may be united with Him in the Holy Eucharist. He gave every drop of His blood for us. He gave His mother to be under the care of John because John was the most like Jesus and a favorite of Mary. When Mary was assumed into heaven John was still in his forties and He did evangelize and wrote the gospel of John. He also received the gift of the Apocalypse for mankind which is full of symbols of the Eucharist. God Bless.

Fascinating discussion. Those who hold the view of a vengeful God sacraficing the son Jesus to the sins of humans, as atonement for sins, negate the idea of the forgiveness and mercy of God. Focusing only on the sacraficial death of Jesus the blood sacrafice distorts the faith.

Those who think only of that also transform God back into the God before Jesus, pre-Jesus, the Old Testament God, who tested Abraham and nearly made him do a blood sacrafice of his son Isaac.

God showed mercy and compassion there and stopped Abraham from sacraficing his son. Then the time of Jesus and God now gets his blood sacrafice and Jesus is killed, his son sacraficed, his lamb. So Isaac is now Jesus.

This is not a true concept of God or Jesus really. Jesus taught us to be responsible for our sins, and to love God and love our neighbour. This solo fixation of only self-centred personal salvation so one gets to heaven is not what Jesus was about.

Jesus tried to get us to have heaven on earth, the Kingdom is now, if we are obedient to God and Jesus and Holy Spirit and make a Heaven on earth by loving one another, helping one another, loving God too with all our hearts, minds and souls. Not just our own personal ticket to heaven by Jesus dying on the cross, not just all about an angry God and our own self-centred get-to-heaven-pass. Our own responsiblity to obey God by loving God and one another.

Jesus did all the hard work for us by sufferring and dying on the cross. Now we have to do our part. Ask for the Gift of the Holy Spirit in prayer and you will have God with you and He will teach and guide you in all that is necessary. We won't get anywhere in our intellectual struggles without God living in us. He comes with all His gifts. The first one, I think, is such a sureness of faith in Him that is dazzling. Then peace and joy which calms the person's spirit. Everyday becomes alive with spiritual potential. To know God is to become part of an exciting adventure. God knows what you need before you start making requests. Ask for the Holy Spirit and when God gives it to you you will thank God every day because you will discover that God really, really does love you. You won't be worried or anxious because you really believe that God has everything under control and is taking care of you and your family. You finally believe, love and trust God with all your heart. It becomes total joy. God Bless.

Just a reminder that the Catholic Church considers this "Poem of the Man_God" a
heretical and forbidden book. Stick with scripture and the Catechism, not the visions of a madwoman.

"Is it grossly imprudent to read things which the Church has discouraged in the strongest terms? Yes. Is it a bad use of time when there are writings of the Magisterium, of the saints and the Catechism that are not being read? Absolutely.
But people claim that never have they understood Scripture as when they have read "Poem." Understood in a certain way, as explained by Maria Valtorta! But this way the Church has said is not according to its mind. Catholics do well to follow the Holy See in this."

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/poem_of_the_man.htm

The Church has always waited a very long time, sometimes hundreds of years, to declare the truth of visions etc. Pope Pius X11 said The Poem was approved by him. Mother Teresa and Padre Pio read and recommended it to everyone. In fact, Padre Pio said, "I insist you read it." I have read it close to 20 times and am far more educated for it. There is nothing in The Poem that is against the Church. In Medjugorje the Blessed Virgin Mary said to the visionaries, "The Poem is true. Read it." The church hasn't approved Medjugorje either but that is not stopping millions of people from being reconverted in that holiest of places on earth. Don't try to frighten the real church, which is the people of God, not the Holy See. We are so blessed for having The Poem and Medjugorje at this time in history. By the time the Church gets around to approving them we will all be dead. Take advantage of this perfect book. There has never been, or ever will be, a holier book because it is the exact words of Jesus Christ. You will love Him more than you could believe...and that's the whole point, isn't it? To LOVE Him. God Bless You.

On Monday, August 15th we celebrate The Assumption of Mary into heaven. This is one of the most powerful miracles in the history of the Church. In The Poem of the Man God there is a wonderful description of what happened to Mary. It is 16 pages of information that The Lord, Jesus Christ, gives to us as a gift to mankind. Mary is living with John near the Garden of Gethsemane. She received this property after Jesus died, from Lazarus, whom Jesus raised from the dead. He was very rich, owned much property and his father was once the governor of Syria. His sisters were Mary Magdalene and Martha. Mary, in her seventies, straightens up all her relics of Jesus death. She tells John she feels so much peace and joy in herself like never before. She always looks young and is very serene....but John, in his forties, becomes frightened because Mary looks different. She tells him she is rejoicing because she feels she will soon have her greatest wish granted. Her greatest wish is to be Never Separated from her Son again. She says she has completed her earthly mission. She speaks for many pages of her joys and sorrows. John doesn't want her to leave him. He is very upset and she consoles him. She says "Why are you grieving me...you were so strong under the cross." Then she lays down on a bed and she asks John to pray. John sees that she is shining..he says "You look like Jesus did on Mt. Tabor." She asks John to repeat the words of the Angel Gabriel, the Prayer of her Son, etc. The rest of the story is so amazing that you would have to read it yourself. Jesus says the main reason He dictated the visions and words to Maria Valtorta was for priests...so they would have true information when they gave their homilies. Everytime I go to Mass and hear the dull homilies given by priests I thank God for giving me the Poem of the Man God with all the precious details. I fill in what the priest leaves out. Every priest should read and study this book, this gift of Jesus to mankind. You would love the Lord and thank Him forever. God Bless You.

As far as we can see from the gospels, Jesus and Mary did not get along very well and, yes, she had other children. The "infancy narratives" of Matthew and Luke and much of Mary-lore in John (Cana, Mary at the Cross) are archetypal myths, not history. Spiritually, Mary functions as the feminine aspect of the divine, the old Mother Goddess baptized as Jesus' Mother and therefore the "Mother of God." Has nothing to do with actual history.

Strange comment from Anonymous and highly negative from a Catholic? I will pray for you that God will open your mind to the truth. Where, in God's name, did you get your information? God Bless you.

I am at a loss to see how Jesus and Mary did not get along. She asks him to perform the miracle at the wedding, showing her total faith in him, and he agrees, doing it for her despite it not being time for such things yet.

Looks like some serious getting along to me.

I am sure she had other children because she deserved to as a good servant of god, rather than having not because she has been conflated with Innana.

Nils

I agree that Jesus and Mary got along very well. It appears realistic and plausable that Jesus hesitates. He is taking on a very difficult task. He is divine and human. He suffers on the cross, and before he is betrayed he asks if this cup could possibly be taken away from him. Joseph Campbell writes of the hero with a thousand faces, the adventure quest, the trials, tribulations. Great insights. Mary is a great mother, trying to counsel him, encourage him, advise him and protect him too, warning of the dangers too and wanting him to survive as long as he can to carry out his great mission. She speaks to him warning of the dangers ahead, as she stands with some of his brothers and sisters. She is a good mother, an outspoken, courageous, intelligent woman. At Annunciation she courageously, intelligently questions God and again is outspoken and brave.