Crossing Borders with the Virgin Mary

In her book American Madonna: Crossing Borders with the Virgin Mary (Orbis Books, 2010), author Deirdre Cornell chronicles the three years that she, her husband and five children spent as Maryknoll Missioners in Oaxaca, Mexico.

Blending personal reflection, Marian scholarship and social justice advocacy, Cornell deepens our understanding of Mary by allowing us see her through the lens of Latin American people. As she journeys to various sites of pilgrimage in Mexico, we encounter the struggles, hopes and deep faith of those who inspire Cornell along the way. Mary Cornell discovers a universal Mother who invites us to cross the borders of cultural, economic and linguistic difference and to locate our common humanity and spiritual heritage.

Recently I had the opportunity to talk with Cornell about the ways in which the Latin American church opened her eyes to a new vision of Mary.

Jamie Manson: So much of your book is about pilgrimage. It's remarkable to look at how your own life's journey led you to explore the presence of Mary within Latin American culture. You credit your grandmother with starting you on the path.
Mary Cornell: Yes, my grandmother had a particular devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe. It's very strange that she would have encountered Guadalupe because she was an Irish American living in a time before globalization and multiculturalism. It was so out of the ordinary for her to have this devotion.

How did she learn about Guadalupe?
She was very Marian, like most of the women of her time who shared her background. She loved the stories of Fatima and Lourdes. But the Guadalupe apparition had the strongest appeal to her. She did help to start a Catholic Worker House, and so she held the belief that Mary comes to the poor. So, I think the story of Guadalupe's appearance to Juan Diego really worked for her. It moved her so much that when she was in her 70s she went on a pilgrimage to the Basilica of St. Mary of Guadalupe in Mexico City. Throughout her life, she rarely traveled. She didn't even have a passport! Yet she had this uncharacteristic willingness to traverse linguistic and cultural boundaries for the sake of Guadalupe.

You write that this desire to meet the Mother of God across borders has become a recurring theme in your own life. Yet in college, you stopped going to Mass and hungered after a gender-affirming spirituality. Ironically, it was a lecture on Mary by a Jewish professor that opened your eyes to her power.
That lecture led me to see Mary as a form of female symbolic power. I see her as a powerful woman. In Latin America, the Virgin Mary holds a more public role. She is not just a self-sacrificing mother. She has this great influence. I think that's because in Latin American culture, the home and the family are more visible. I think that the gains in women's equality in the past decades are really important. One area, though, where we need a lot of work is the domestic sphere. I feel that, as a mother of five, the role of mother has been lost in the shuffle. It used to be the only role that was recognized. Now in the capitalist system, I feel like motherhood not valued. I think that Mary is a powerful model of how to hold together one's identity as a very strong disciple and one's identity as a mother.

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Quoting the anthropologists Victor and Edith Turner, you write that Mary embodies communitas. That is, a state of collective mysticism experienced with others, the underlying interconnectedness of any society.
I've experienced this as I've talked to different parishes about the topics in my book. I've spoken to a parish in Beverly Hills [Calif.] and I've spoken to a parish in Camden, New Jersey. And I've found Mary resonates with everybody. Here we are in this polarized society, and yet parishioners in these two very different communities find something in Mary that somehow pulls them together. She is this great universal figure who unites us. She crosses boundaries and she appeals to us as Catholics, regardless of where we stand on the spectrum of economic justice or even the spectrum of our views about the church.

Does the image of Mary appearing to the poor challenge groups like those in Beverly Hills?
Yes, but the story of people's journeys with Mary allows you to enter into the conversation about the poor and about immigrants differently. If I came in and just declared that we need an amnesty for immigrants because we have a real crisis of immigration in our country, they might just tune me out or even get up and walk away. But if you approach the issue by telling the story about Latin Americans who walk under the veil of Mary before they are about to cross the border into this country, they sit through it. It may make them uncomfortable, but they realize that we have a common mother. And if we are to honor Mary as our spiritual mother, then we must be related to these other people who honor her as their spiritual mother, too. Whether we like it or not, we are linked in this faith.

So no matter how wealthy or powerful, ultimately we are all searching for answers and meaning. We all share in that common vulnerability.
And who takes care of you when you're vulnerable? Your mother. Some images of Mary are mysterious and enigmatic. But what is most important about her is the larger story of her presence, particularly as it is revealed in the gospels. We don't have to reach into the realm of superstition or magic to understand her importance because she is Mary of the Magnificat. We see this in the story of Juan Diego. Guadalupe appears to this poor man and she turns the power structure upside down.

In the Magnificat, Mary announces that God is throwing down the mighty and sending the rich away empty. How important is that image of Mary in Latin America?
We have a friend who wanted to come across the border. His mother, like most mothers, wasn't happy about it because it is so dangerous. When she realized that she couldn't change his mind, she made him make her two promises. First, that he would get into good physical shape by hiking the mountains daily. And second, that he would memorize the Magnificat. She told him that he must say it over and over throughout his journey. I've found in Latin America the Magnificat is used a lot, especially in dire circumstances. It is associated with risk-taking and invoked in situations where you need a lot of strength and courage. Mary offers solace, but she is also a crucial source of strength. She enables us to move forward into an uncertain future and helps us to always maintain our dignity along the way.

And who took a bigger risk than Mary in accepting God's call?
Working with the poor and with immigrants, you see the faith and devotion that people have and how much their experience resonates with Mary's experience in the Gospel. You read Matthew's account of the flight into Egypt, and you begin to see that Mary and Joseph are refugees. All of a sudden, she is not this plaster statue anymore. We even can say that Mary was a homeless immigrant living in exile, because, according to tradition, after the crucifixion she went to a foreign country with the disciple John. This is all in addition to the fact that she was an unwed pregnant teenager and, later, the mother of a convict. The richness of her portrait in scripture is incredible.

In your chapter about your journey to the site of the Virgin of Juquilia in Mexico, you write, "I have wondered if any number of years of catechesis can equal one night spent in the mountains under the stars on the road to Juquilia." What has your exploration taught you about the spiritual longings of young adults?
Young people seek a direct, personal experience of God. Because pilgrimage is often such a physical hardship that wears down personal resistance, pilgrims often experience heightened sensory perception that makes them more receptive to communication with the holy. The young adults I met on pilgrimage were experiencing insights into our radical dependency on God, the beauty of creation, the realization of their place in the universe and wonder at the miracle of their own lives. Faith is so countercultural that it has become a challenge to pass it on to the next generation. Pilgrimage seems to be a medium through they can internalize a religious worldview.

Do you think there is a future for devotions for Catholics who are not necessarily highly traditional?
As Catholics, we have this great resource in belonging to a global church. We can approach scripture and doctrine from different perspectives, but in terms of devotions, it's very enriching to learn about the practices of others. Even if we didn't grow up with them, it is still part of our common tradition. This commonality offers an opportunity to re-enliven our own devotions. Most importantly, we should not be afraid to get to know images of Mary from other cultures and to let her touch us and teach us through those different images.

[Jamie L. Manson received her Master of Divinity degree from Yale Divinity School, where she studied Catholic theology and sexual ethics. Her columns for NCR earned her a first prize Catholic Press Association award for Best Column/Regular Commentary in 2010.]

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As far as the Magnificat

As far as the Magnificat goes, I am reminded of Rory Cooney's excellent song, "The Canticle of the Turning." Thank you for an excellent article. :)

as ever I say, Thank you,

as ever I say, Thank you, Jamie (if I may)!!

trying to remember that

trying to remember that recently reported incident back in Bishop Chaput's Colorado Diocese of boarding up and painting over a beautiful mural of Our Lady of Guadalupe in a sanctuary, prepared by a Latina for the socailly active commmunity of that time, cancelled under Chaput to get women out of the sanctuary, even the ever strengthening Mother of God.

Thank God I hope to get to the Cathedral of Ciudad Juarez for this year's celebration of her Feast Day and Novena this December, if not right here in this tiny border village. I grow old and tired but used to walk procession each morning before sunrise not too many years ago here.

Archangel Charles, thank you

Archangel

Charles, thank you for remembering us all. It was at the Our Lady of Guadalupe parish in Denver, under Chaput's reign, a new priest decided 37 year old mural of Our Lady mural behind the altar-about 25 linear feet, was 'a distraction' and built a wall over Our Lady's sacred mural, and also over Santo Don Diego's image, nailed drywall over the huge guardian angels and bowers of roses, painted over the cherubs. The priest then bought himself a throne for the altar, a huge granite monstrosity for himself to sit on during Mass, a throne that is higher than the altar. In so doing, he got rid of the grandma kitchen chairs the priests at OL of G had sat on during Mass for about 50 years.

The archbishop refused to intervene in restoring the mural, even though he was pleaded to time and again over 1.5 year's time by many parishioners, artists and others from that part of Denver who had been in the huge struggle for justice in the 1960s and 70s when La Señora's mural was originally painted to honor her and to strengthen her people during such hard times.

Our Lady's sacred mural, was considered thereby a historical artwork and was painted by a well known Latina mural artist, Carlotta EspinoZa, and has been held dear, prayed before, marriages and funerals held there, and photographs from first communions, confirmations and other events proudly show the colorful Mexicano mural in the background... a source of great pride for the parishioners who are now often elderly and horrified that this sacred icon would be desecrated.

Shortly after protests to 'take down the wall' took place at the church by fieles unidos, the faithful united, the mural was further vandalized by someone who spray painted over Our Lady and over Santo Juan Diego's images with black and white spray paint. The police were called but the police investigation was called off by the archdiocese, for reasons not given, but rumor on the street was the Ab's office was protecting someone within the parish who was rageful, and wanted to teach the protesters a lesson by desecrating Our Lady's mural even further than just hiding her behind a wall.

The lucha, the struggle to 'take down the wall' continues. In a chapter entitled "our lady behind the wall" in my new book, Untie the Strong Woman: Blessed Mother's Immaculate Love for the Wild Soul, I strive to tell the stories re the destruction of Holy Mother's images across the world during invasion, war and dictatorships, including Joe Stalin's soviet disunion... and this latter day occlusion of sacred mural in Denver. I quoted Popes including the current one who have signed documents saying sacred art should never be desecrated or destroyed by whomsoever suddenly deems it unacceptable by their own sights. Thanks for remembering us Charles, and I hope you will pray for us to prevail in restoring Our Lady's mural. We are all clear it is not the mural we venerate, it is Holy Mother, and that we love the artistic representations of her worldwide, of which there are literally tens of thousands of churches where she is central on the altar or presiding over the altar from a canopy on high, including the major Mary church just a few steps from the Vatican.

kind regards,
dr.e
dr.clarissa pinkola estés
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Untie the Strong Woman:

Untie the Strong Woman: Blessed Mother's Immaculate Love for the Wild Soul

almost reminded me of the title of that old book:
Binding the Strong Man: A Political Reading of Mark's Story of Jesus by Ched Myers!

should I get the audio version? It would be wonderful to hear Dra. Clarisa's gentle voice!

http://www.amazon.com/Untie-Strong-Woman-Blessed-Immaculate/dp/160407635...

See also by this blessed author and gentle soul:

Seeing in the Dark: Myths and Stories to Reclaim the Buried, Knowing Woman

available only in audiobook format

archangel and too Charles,

archangel

and too Charles, may you be kept strong so you can make the procession on your own terms... the procession/ pilgrimage to Chimayo here, is made by many many los viejas, old ones... sometimes stopping, sometimes carried in chairs, sometimes just caning along at one's own speed. Our Lady and her Son are patient. We will pray for your intention in ways that mean the most to you.

siempre,
dr.cpe

thank you most profoundly and

thank you most profoundly and secretly from my heart, Dr. Clarisa Pinkola-Estes, for your gracious and tolerant and accepting kindness.

We miss you most deeply upon these pages, including to tame and moderate my rage

Charles, you can't have it

Charles, you can't have it both ways: either the Archbishop must be a tyrant and force the parish priest to restore the mural or he can allow him to make his own decisions about his own parish. You think that when it's a liberal cause it's OK for bishops to be tyrannical but when the cause is conservative you they need to back off and let the priest/the people of God/or whatever make the decisions!!

The mural was not his own but

The mural was not his own but the sacred patrimony of the poor People of God.

The parish is not his own, but the community of the pilgrim People of God.

This mural was sacramental and has been shamelessly desecrated and you play semantic games?

This is an abomination against the poor pilgrim People of God, and you play politics with it.

Just so's you know, a large serape painted perfectly with the Icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe upon it floats in the breeze outside our humbled broken hermitage here. Kindly come help me pray, and keep vigil for this novena of her great and glorious Feast in which we remember in a very special way all she does for us each day, each moment all year round. Please do not bring a can of spray paint to desecrate her further, as if this were possible, but come pray with me the Magnificat in her sight, and the Pater Noster and all of the rest. If we pray the Salve Regina, Mater Misericordia, I shall surely weep, so help me and pray this with me, please, and weep as well for this holy Roman Catholic image destroyed by our politically imposed shallow clerics who believe they hold the power, and not this loving Lady of Guadalupe, always.

Destroying this blessed mural hastens the abomination of the desolation within the holy place.

Nice essay, but you're both

Nice essay, but you're both generalizing about Latin America on the basis of 3 years spent in one corner of Mexico. Religious attitudes in Mexico have no more to do with attitudes in Brazil or Argentina than attitudes in Mississippi have to do with those in Montana. I am from Nuevo Leon and I don't agree with everything this woman says.Your insights are often good, but you need an editor to help you avoid these kinds of errors.

wow, come on to the Cathedral

wow, come on to the Cathedral and chapels of Ciudad Juarez, and of the villages in northern Chihuahua state, and see what you see.

http://www.nuestramirada.org/photo/albums/a-los-pies-de-nuestra-senora

http://www.nuestramirada.org/photo/photo/slideshow?albumId=2072012:Album...

recently some drops of the blood of wojtyla has been driven around, but hasn't been a big hit. Maybe in Nuevo Leon?

Santiagos Rosalas misses the

Santiagos Rosalas misses the point. Of course the experiences in one or a few parts of Mexico do not equate with the totally of the Central and South America experience. But every encounter outside of or own experiences enriches our heritage and appreciation - or religion or any other issue! We need more examples of the many different perceptions of Mary, Jesus, and God in as many cultures as we can find!

archangel and thank you Jamie

archangel

and thank you Jamie very much for this interview with Deirdre Cornell regarding her quest, her pilgrimage amongst our people in Mexico.

with kind regards,
dr.cpe

"Some images of Mary are

"Some images of Mary are mysterious and enigmatic. But what is most important about her is the larger story of her presence, particularly as it is revealed in the gospels."

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Excuse me, Sir, but Mrs. Cornell is not generalizing. There are so many representations of Mary... In Brazil, you'll have Nossa Senhora da Aparecida, in Portugal Nossa Senhora de Fátima, etc. What fascinates me in Our Lady of Gualupe is that she chose to appear to the lowest of the low, Juan Diego, an indigenous man, and in indigenous garnments and with indigenous symbols, thus at a time when his people had much less value or standing than a black slave in a Southern plantation. And her image its just beautiful!

And the Magnificat it is, perharps, the most beautiful part of the Gospels, together with the Sermon of the Mount. I'm still moved to tears any time I read or hear it. Paz y Bien.

Thank you, Outsider (and come

Thank you, Outsider (and come on in before it gets colder!) and please remind us as well of Our Lady of Cobre, Our Lady of Charity, so wonderfully and profoundly commentated by our brilliant US Ambassador to the Vatican, the Cuban American Roman Catholic theologian and professor of theology Dr. Miguel Diaz. So instance see this commentary of his commentary:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Se6nLrf2udIC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=miguel...

And Dr. Diaz's article Dime con quién andas y te diré quién eres: we walk-with Our Lady of Charity in his From the Heart of Our People, (Orbis 1999)

Finally, Jamie Manson is

Finally, Jamie Manson is using her talents for something which is good. I had stopped reading her columns a while back because it was one after another of her working out her own psychosexual issues with the Church and blasting the Church at the same time. This is different. And very good. I want to see more of this from Ms Manson. Leave the politicking for a politically correct church to the old folks and give a positive message all can appreciate.

FCS projects: "I had stopped

FCS projects: "I had stopped reading her columns a while back because it was one after another of her working out her own psychosexual issues with the Church and blasting the Church at the same time."

Perhaps Ms. Manson struck a wound within your own heart. Using the first person to explore these issues, we often find within her writings reflections of the bitter path we each walk towards Peace, towards Integration, towards liberation. Indeed, this is the core of her ministry of writing, to bring us to examine our own wounds, like Thomas the side of the risen Christ, and bring our wounds to Peace. Peace be with you.

Our Church has profound psychosexual issues to work out, and her "blasting" this so gently and truthfully and courageously is a healing thing; it is a good thing, and one of the most valuable features which remain in our ancient National Catholic Reporter.

"A positive message" of the sort you claim to appreciate cannot heal us. Read a commercial Christmas card instead. I shall remain here to read Ms. Manson as she is, gratefully, an oasis of intelligence and grace upon these distressingly shrinking pages.

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