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Ministerial Religious Life: concluding reflections
This week's column offers some concluding reflections on Sister Sandra Schneiders' exceedingly important four-page article, The past and future of ministerial religious life , in the Oct 2 issue of the National Catholic Reporter.
Schneiders has been for many years associated with the Jesuit School of Theology in Berkeley, California, as professor of New Testament Studies and Christian Spirituality, and is a member of the Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary of Monroe, Michigan, often identified simply as the IHMs.
Her article is required reading for anyone concerned, on one side or the other, about the Vatican's "visitation" of U.S. religious communities of women or the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's "doctrinal assessment" of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, more commonly known as the LCWR.
Schneiders points out that there are two kinds of religious life: the monastic, which emphasizes habit, enclosure, and horarium (a daily schedule that includes shared meals, work, and prayer), and the ministerial, which subordinates (not necessarily eliminates) all three to the service of others.
Too many Catholics, including some who hold high-ranking ecclesiastical office, assume that there is only one kind of authentic religious life, namely, the monastic. This is why they place such emphasis on some distinctive religious habit, or dress, on living and praying in community, and on following a regular schedule in the convent.
The situation in religious life has changed, however, not just in the past few decades, but for the past four centuries. It is only recently that these changes have been noticed, and some Catholics are disturbed by them.
Unfortunately, some of those who have been most critical of the changes in religious life, from the monastic to the ministerial, are unaware of the biblical and historical foundations for these changes.
The pre-Easter Jesus, Schneiders points out in her article, had many kinds of disciples. Some, like Martha, Mary, and Lazarus of Bethany (Luke 10:38-42; John 11:5) were householders who followed Jesus within the context of family life.
Others, like Zacchaeus (Luke 19:2-9) or the royal official in John 4:46-54, followed him by just and generous involvement in secular occupations.
"But there was one rather small group of women and men (Luke 8:1-3) whom Jesus called to abandon everything ... to be in his company on a 24/7 basis, to take on in real time his itinerant form of life, to participate in his daily full-time ministry of announcing the Gospel in word and deed ..., and after the Resurrection to continue, full-time, his lifestyle and ministry even unto the laying down of their lives. ..."
Some members of this small itinerant group included Mary Magdalene, Simon Peter, Susanna, James and John, and later people like Paul and Barnabas.
"This is the group, the form of discipleship" Schneiders writes, "that supplies the primary biblical model for ministerial religious life."
Jesus did not call many to this form of discipleship, of which there were and are many forms, and no one of which is superior to any other.
Jesus celebrated with his itinerant band of disciples, but also with other friends outside this group. "In short," Schneiders observes, "Jesus' personal choice was a mixed life of prayer, both communal and solitary, and intense ministerial action in the public sphere ... to women and men equally."
"Jesus" she points out, "was an itinerant minister. He was not a member of a monastic community...." He did not wear distinctive clothing, had no fixed residence, and did not follow a pre-determined daily routine of work and prayer.
"Anyone examining the life of ministerial religious women in the United States today," she writes, "should have no difficulty recognizing their choice of and commitment to the pattern of life to which Jesus called his original band of itinerant disciples."
These women, she continues, are "deeply committed to the egalitarian, nonauthoritarian, collegial exercise of authority and practice of obedience that Jesus inaugurated among his original band," but unfortunately this is not the style of leadership that characterizes much of the Church today.
Despite many negative developments, such as the "visitation" of religious communities of women and the "doctrinal assessment" of the LCWR, "religious know what they are called to, [and] what they are trying to live. While it may not always be clear how to do it, most are quite clear that denaturing their life is not the answer."
Jesus promised his special disciples a "hundredfold in this life, persecution, and finally eternal life (Mark 10:29-30)."
His promise shall certainly be fulfilled, no matter how many obstacles are placed in its way, even within the church itself.
© 2009 Richard P. McBrien. All rights reserved. Fr. McBrien is the Crowley-O'Brien Professor of Theology at the University of Notre Dame.




Educational. But then this IS
Educational. But then this IS Fr. McBrien.
When we moved to the small town in the Northwoods of Wisconsin, there was a well known Nun here. When working in the hospital, she wore her veil but around town she did not. She collected aluminum cans everywhere. Those who wanted to could drop them off at the Canvent! After the July 4th parade, she had a crew lined up to collect cans from Main Street -- the folks on the sidewalks would throw their cans to the middle of the road. And then, whenever a family had a disaster, usually fire, she was almost always first on the scene with cash for the family involved. Sadly, she has moved to the order's retirement community, but most people remember Sr. Theresa Reglar.
Now that is a life of work and ministry. Lock her up in a convent? I don't think there was a convent built that could hold her.
Need there be only ONE way to
Need there be only ONE way to serve the Lord? I think not. God does not put things into a box and neither should we.
Maybe the essential problem
Maybe the essential problem with the modern ministerial religious life is that it inverts the ends of love. Scripture says that the first love belongs to God and the second lover pertains to man. It seems to me that the liberals love the creature more than the Creator. And since liberals are creatures themselves, they love themselves more than God. There you have it in a nutshell; Paulte has diagnosed the disease of Liberalism!
Readers please please don't
Readers please please don't dignify saulte's latest assault.
I think you mean paulte's
I think you mean paulte's latest erudition!
Paulte, of all people, gives
Paulte, of all people, gives a very Barthian Protestant notion of scripture and love. This was the approach of the reformers--we worship a transcendent God; we don't find God in others.
St Thomas' doctrine of analogy which connects us to God is the work of the devil for Barth. So have it your way, dear Paulte, but don't call it Catholic Thomistic theology
As St Thomas Aquinas would
As St Thomas Aquinas would say, "On the contrary, paulte is one of my greatest disciples!"
I'm sure you are distorting not only me but the Reformers as well. I don't know Karl Barth from a hole in the ground but I'm sure he & all Protestants believe in the scripture which tells us that when you do something for one of these the least of my brethren, you do it for me.
As far as humans go, we can see Christ in what God created in the human person but not in the human personality deformed by sin.
As St Thomas Aquinas would
As St Thomas Aquinas would say, "On the contrary, paulte is one of my greatest disciples!" St Thomas believed that a distinction was to be drawn between the Creator and the creature. I'm simply referring to the two great Commandments in my post above. The first is the love of God, the second is the love of neighbor.
I do not deny the love of neighbor. I simply point to the Liberal hypocrisy which places it first. The two are clearly connected but the rationale for loving the neighbor is the love of God. Further if the only way to love God was to love the neighbor then that makes the first Commandment meaningless. Reductio ad adsurdum!
We as creatures love God mainly by following his moral law in trying to live a good life. We also love God directly through prayer, contemplation, pure intellection & mortification. In particular, prayer & mortification are the wings by which the soul soars to God.
I think you are distorting
I think you are distorting the Reformation to say that Protestants don't see God in others. That tenet is in the Scripture. You are distorting my post anyway since I don't deny the love of man as an end in itself. Scripture also says if you don't love your neighbor, you can't pretend to love God. I believe in the Scripture.
I'm trying to get at the philosophical notion of loving the creature above the Creator. I believe Liverals & Humanists do that. Maybe that is what Barth is getting at in his theology.
Whatsoever you do for the
Whatsoever you do for the least of my brethren, you do for ME. You separate love in neat packages: God, creatures. Jesus, God Incarnate, simply loved all, and God is beside us when we love each other. Tell me, who is more concerned with social justice right now: the "liberals " fighting for a more just health care system or the "conservatives" fighting for the status quo which serves the "haves"?
Please! Liberals are just
Please! Liberals are just looking for a free lunch from their Uncle Sam in terms of healthcare & everything else!
Excuse me, but Scripture
Excuse me, but Scripture itself separates love. Why are there two Great Commandments then if it should not be distinguished?
I will concede that Liberals are very good at spending other people's money. Yes, you are right there!
At least "Paulte" got the
At least "Paulte" got the "nutshell" right! Some of us may be hearing a 'different drummer'-- that is, the Holy Spirit speaking differently to each of us. All people of goodwill are welcome in the Kingdom of God. All people of goodwill *should* also be welcome in the Church!
You don't sound very
You don't sound very welcoming & Christian with your "nutshell" comment! Maybe God will exclude you from his Kingdom for attacking noble paulte. Liberals are so hypocritical & condescending as well!
Paulte seems to be a victim
Paulte seems to be a victim of his own allegation - egoism.
Jesus saw the Father in all creation, particularly his fellow human beings, even the bad ones. Religious are in that same world, loving and seeking to love in His way.
Indeed. The beam seems to
Indeed. The beam seems to have been shoved into others' eyes...again...again...again....alas, oh paulte.
On the contrary, noble paulte
On the contrary, noble paulte tries to open the eyes of those blinded by Liberalism. It is my calling card when I try to enter the kingdom of heaven. Hopefully, the Lord will approve! I can knock but the door may not open! Knock, knock! The terror of Liberals bids humble entre.
But Jesus also went out to a
But Jesus also went out to a "lonely place" to encounter God the Father intimately on numerous occasions. Yes, we can see God in all things and in all people, but as Ratzinger said, there is a contemplative aspect to encountering God that one does not generally find in God's creatures. Thus, the importance of contemplative prayer through Adoration, Holy Hours, home chapels, etc., as Mother Teresa did for hours every morning. She said that it was essential for her ministry, and that without that sustained prayer, she would not be able to do what she did, to minister to so many of the poor and ill. She often said she saw Jesus in everybody - but that did not mean she could skip contemplative prayer without detriment to both her relationship with God, and as a consequence, her relationship with others.
Yes, paute is egotistical but
Yes, paute is egotistical but you know what Jesus saw in people! Did Jesus see his Father in the geese? Yes, because the creature reflects the Creator. Did Jesus see his Father in human personalities deformed by sin, know-it-all?
What a pity to interpret
What a pity to interpret "sciptures", love, and religious life this way!
We surely shall be JUDGED BY LOVE, warts and all.
Matthew 25,31 ff: "come blessed of my father.....because I was hungry and you gave me food, ..I was thirsty and you...I was in prison and you visited me, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me....
John 4,20,21: One who has no love for the brother he has seen, CANNOT LOVE GOD he has not seen.. The commandment we have from him is this: whoever loves God must also love his brother....
Hebrews 13 1-3: love your fellow...do not neglect hospitality, because by that means you have entertained angels without knowing it..be as mindful of prisoners as if you were sharing their imprisonment..and of ill-treated...
v16: Do not neglect good deeds...God is pleased by sacrifices of that kind...
James 2, 14-25: My brothers, what good it is to profess faith without practicing it? if a brother or sister has nothing to wear and no food and you say to them "good-bye and good luck. Keep warm and well fed," but do not meet their bodily needs, what good is that? So it is with faith that does nothing in practice. It is thoroughly LIFELESS..Show me your faith without works and I will show you the faith that UNDERLIES my faith....etc
With regards to Paulte's "first lover and second lover"? please read Acts 9,1 ff:.. ..The Lord Jesus, stopping Paul on the road to Damascus "empowered to arrest and bring to Jerusalem any one who might find, man or woman...:
"Saul, Saul why do you persecute ME?
Who are you, sir?
I am Jesus, the ONE YOU ARE PERSECUTING"
Was Jesus a "liberal", then?
Regards.
What is your point anyway? Do
What is your point anyway? Do you not think I believe in the scripture? Do you think these scripture quotes somehow contradict my post which did not deny the second great Commandment? As far as the Saul quote, Jesus was identifying with his Church (Christians) & not with the Jews. If Jesus were a Liberal, he wouldn't be partial to Christians, now would he?
I find your "nutshell" hard
I find your "nutshell" hard to crack
Let's don't call each other names (liberal) and figure that people of another
opinion are diseased.
Let's rather listen what the Bible says:
Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me... Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me. (Mt 25.35-36, 40)
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? (1 John 4:20 )
Yes, Liberals are always
Yes, Liberals are always trotting out the "L" word (love)! But how well do they observe the Ten Commandments, I ask you? Jesus said, "Not those who cry Lord, Lord, but rather he who does the will of my Father will enter the kingdom of heaven! Talk is cheap. Start reforming your lives!
Paulte is just kidding; when
Paulte is just kidding; when he's serious don't take him seriously.
Another "nutshell" crack
Another "nutshell" crack about paulte! You Liberals are supposed to love everyone and that includes paulte! I'm not concerned with your love but you might try being a little more civil to noble paulte!
Since paulte defends the truth, he can't help but attack the opinions of Liberals who don't think straight!
The scripture quote could be expanded to include the ignorant. Yes, Lord, Paulte saw the ignorant & the illogical and he tried to instruct them & correct them. May he enter the Kingdom too?
Excerpts from Jesus’ Final
Excerpts from Jesus’ Final Prayer
John, 14:10-11
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? I am not my self the source of the words I speak to you: it is the Father who dwells in me doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father in me.
John, 14:19-21
In a little while the world will see me no longer, but you will see me; because I live, you too will live; then you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you.
John, 17:11
I am to stay no longer in the world, but they are still in the world and I am on my way to you. Father, protect by the power of your name those whom you have given to me, that they may be one, as we are one.
John, 17:21
May they all be one: as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, so also may they be in us, that the world may believe you sent me. The glory which you gave me , I have given to them, that they may be one, as we are one; I in them and you in me, may they be perfectly one.
And how would you describe
And how would you describe the "disease" of conservatism?
JR
The words of Jesus: a. "I
The words of Jesus:
a. "I want mercy, not sacrifice."
b. "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."
God is Love Benedict XVI
God is Love Benedict XVI points out. How can you separate love of God and Love of neighbor? The Holy Spirit is served when we Love our neighbor.
Theologically, is it not the same thing?
I believe Jesus loved the God
I believe Jesus loved the God who created him. And Jesus prayed to that God for strength to preach the Good News to all of God's creatures. I don't believe we are to love God above all creatures. God does not need our love. Only God's creatures need our love. Get your priorities straight.
BINGO! "deeply committed to
BINGO!
"deeply committed to the egalitarian, nonauthoritarian, collegial exercise of authority and practice of obedience that Jesus inaugurated among his original band,"
Dudes!
BINGO!!
Over here! Right there!
BINGO!
Richard McBrien's reflections
Richard McBrien's reflections remind us that Christ's faithful, since they are incorporated into Christ through baptism, constitute the People of God. And within the People of God there is a fundamental equality among ALL members, who participate in the priestly, prophetic and kingly mission of Christ. Furthermore,"Christ is a king who dominates with love, who does not impose himself but rather respects human freedom..."(Benedict XVI). Therefore, ALL types of inequality within the People of God are man-made, or, to be more accurate,are clergy-made.
I do not think that paulte
I do not think that paulte understands that the only way we can truly fully love God is to love and minister to one another. Jesus tells us this repeatedly in the gospels. Those who have given to the least of our brethren have given to me. It is his constant message. And this is the life our ministerial sisters have chosen. We should be celebrating their beautiful gift to us, and not condemning nor labeling them without truly understanding their tremendous generosity.
The visitation issue is
The visitation issue is another inconsistency in the road of ongoing renewal. Its intent to is "weed" out those who do not agree with every statement and every opinion that Church officials utter. The fact that women communities are targeted is sexist at its core. At the same time, the Church welcomes back carte blanche the followers of Marcel Levebre who denied the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and yet excommunicates Fr. Ray Bourgois because he supports the more inclusive approach of ordaining women. Vatican officials (who represent only a portion of the People of God) also accommodates the Anglicans who do not want to be associated with a church which ordains women and yet enjoys a married clergy. And yet, Roman Catholic men may not choose the sacraments of marriage and priesthood. The inconsistency makes these recent attempts at "unity" and a genuine living out of the Gospel a mockery. And conscientious Catholics are observing all this while shaking their heads in disbelief. I'm saddened to say that I think the visitation of women religious communities is a demeaning sexist "witch" hunt, pure and simple. I say to those curial officials, you do not have the right to negate Jesus' Gospel message of love, equality, dignity and justice. This is OUR church. Thank you, Fr. McBrien, for keeping our perspectives clear! Jubilee Judy
I agree with anonymous that
I agree with anonymous that there is not one way to serve the Lord. There are many ways to do so. However, paulte sounds like he has become a god. He is judging all of us who have passion for serving God's creatures. Most of us know that it is only with God's help that we will be successful in serving others. As always there is a bundle of work to accomplish out there. And why not have the sisters doing their share? I don't understand why "liberals" or anyone else, doing God's work is upsetting to you. Maybe you could volunteer to follow some around for a month and you will have a new look on life. Even you will be amazed. Thank you Richard O'Brien for clarifying some of the ideas Sandra has generously shared with us.
"Whatever you do to the least
"Whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me." Pault. who said it?
Like so many other things,
Like so many other things, Vatican II is misrepresented on the question of habit (which is not a marginal aspect of religious life). Vatican II called for modification and adaptation of religious habits; it did not call for their abandonment. There is a difference between the two.
Catholicism is permeated by the sacramental principle: visible signs of invisible grace (beware--a "Baltimore Catechism" definition, also incidentally shared by Thomas Aquinas). Visibility means peceivable to the senses. It does not mean inferred, posited, guessed by some "spiritual sense." That is why a modified habit is important--because religious life is for the community, the community has a RIGHT to know who is living that life, and we human beings are constantly thrust back upon our senses to do so. That is why "by your works you shall know them" does not work when it comes to identifying religious, and why the habit issue is not just a matter of the some "failure to adapt monastic models to active ministerial religious life" but rather a false dichotomy. If we are to recognize encounters with grace by some invisible perception (as the habitless would suggest we do) then we might look at the experience of low church Protestants with their "community recognition of the Lord's Presence in the bread and wine" of their "Communion services" == which explains why most of them have reduced Communion to a quarterly event.
The religious habits in the
The religious habits in the whole pre-Trent period were not primarily special sacramental signs or uniforms. They were close reflections of the modest attire of ordinary people in their various social ranks. A visit to the medieval section of any art museum will confirm this -- without context you couldn't tell the difference between religious and lay dress. Scapulars were aprons, and hoods and wimples were modelled on lay head protectors. Eventually the habits became frozen in time, which is a sort of idolatry of the past. "Cucullus non facit monachum", then or now.
Perhaps we ought to let the
Perhaps we ought to let the Lord speak!
'And one of the Scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandement is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this, "You shall love your neighboutr as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said tio him, " You are right, Teacher". Mark 12: 28-32
I think the issue of the
I think the issue of the habit is an important one. On one hand, who really cares what someone wears to work? The problem is that it is not work, it is a life-long commitment to Christ and His Church. Since Vatican II the Church has continually asked religious women to wear a habit of some sort. Women began refusing the wear the habit as a sign of rebellion against the Magisterium. It was about their liberations. The excuses they gave focused on the needs of ministry, connecting with ‘regular’ Catholics, etc., but it was an act of defiance to Rome. Pride-filled, self-centered disobedience cannot be the basis for one’s life in service to Christ. These sisters adopted a Protestant-esque theology, that there is no real authority on earth that one must obey, they can go directly to Christ and discern the Spirit on their own. The problem with that is that it is not Catholic.
At a recent LCWR national event one of the topics of discussion regarding the future of religious life centered on the topic of “Moving beyond Christ”. I think they are already there.
Robert, you have combined
Robert, you have combined many half-truths in your response. All the half-truths in the world do not equal one whole truth. You also point your finger and judge people that do not have the luxury of standing before their accuser. Your so-called report of an LCWR meeting is a complete misunderstanding and rash judgment of the intent of the speaker. I know the Sister who gave the Address to which you refer and you have totally misinterpreted and misrepresented the meaning she conveyed at that meeting. At least have the decency and goodwill to read the "topics of discussion" before you attempt to attribute your own interpretation as that intended by the Sister giving the Address.
Incidentally, if, by some happenstance the Sister did stand before you as you accused her of all that you wrote in your Comment, she would listen carefully with love and understanding to what you have to say.
You probably have no idea of the depth of the Love of Christ and His people that these vowed religious women have. I hope that one day you will.
Well argued. "Regular"
Well argued.
"Regular" Catholics who work in the world are expected to look and dress in certain ways as befits their role. As a federal official, for example, I am expected to appear in suit and tie: if I started showing up in Lederhosen in order to look like a "regular" local, my ambassador would quickly call me on the carpet. So it's not the "regular" Catholics who are looking for female religious to shed their habits--most to whom I talk wonder why they have--but some other agenda that drives this phenomenon...
I don’t believe women
I don’t believe women religious who decided not to wear a habit did so as a sign of rebellion, but as a continuation of their discernment process that Vatican II called them to.
As Sandra points out, most women religious read Perfectae Caritatis through the lens of Lumen Gentium and Gaudium et Spes (And Ad Gentes). When you take the constitutions of Vatican II as the most essential documents and read the Perfecte Caritatis (a declaration, a third ranking document) in light of them there is ample room to move in the direction the Sisters did. Many were simply returning to what their foundresses preferred.
Many Sisters commented that people treated them like naive children when they were all dresses alike in habits, but as adults when they wore simple clothing. I think part of the problem was that Sisters spent a lot of time in the 60’s and 70’s talking and making decisions about their clothing, but didn’t realize what a profound effect they (and the clothing they wore) symbolized for many Catholics. If you had no choice what you wore every waking moment of your life for decades is it a surprise if some women appeared to make a quick decision to move into regular clothing?
Sisters did not stop wearing
Sisters did not stop wearing the habit as a sign of rebellion against the Magisterium. Even before Vatican II, Pope Pius called the sisters to update their habits to be more simple. Because of all the garb that sisters wore, habits could be expensive, and in some instances dangerous--such as for driving, or if in a very hot climate, bad for the health. Sisters were asked to use their common sense. During the Middle Ages, a head piece told of therank of a person. Look at pictures of how the nobility (women) dressed. They have the veil and the wimple. When a woman came to the convent, she came with whatever she wore in lay life. Since all sisters were cloistured until the 18th century, the dress of the middle ages and through the 17th century stuck. Then the dress or habit because romanticized.
But, Paulte, you show your
But, Paulte, you show your love for God when you show your love your fellow human being (when you feed the hungry, when you clothed the naked, when you visited me in prison...you did these things for me).
Yes, that is one way in which
Yes, that is one way in which we can show our love for God. Can you think of any other ways we can do that?
Thank you Fr. McBrien for
Thank you Fr. McBrien for standing tall and telling us the truth. In this day and age we need voices like yours and Sister Schneider to be speak for us. This is how most of the Catholics I know think of the wonderful service the nuns have given us over the years.
"While it may not always be
"While it may not always be clear how to do it, most are quite clear that denaturing their life is not the answer". Seldom have I seen a negative posing of an insight so clearly positive and explanatory. Christ not only embraced humanity by becoming human, he embraced creation in his living, death his burial in the "earth". He brought animate and inanimate into his saving act. While cloistered men and women praise God by distancing themselves from the earthly and presaging the final victory, these women and their male counterparts praise by embracing and engaging in the mission of Christ. As the old war song goes - "Bless them all, bless them all...."
That's kind of a weird
That's kind of a weird diagnosis, Paulite, considering that loving God IS loving one another. Your own "disease" of binary dualism -- there is "God" and there is "humanity" and never the twain shall meet -- is exactly what Jesus came to Earth to heal.
Part B Section 5 of presents
Part B Section 5 of presents several questions regarding the various ministries and charisms of the orders:
5. Mission and ministry (Vita Consecrata, 55, 63, 72-83, 96-109; Starting Afresh from Christ,33-45; The Service of Authority and Obedience, 23-26; The Code of Canon Law, cann. 669; 671;673-683)A. What is the specific apostolic purpose of your institute as stated in yourConstitutions?B. Do you see the present apostolic endeavors of your religious institute as viable andeffective expressions of your charism and mission? C. Which current apostolic projects best represent the focus and purpose of yourcharism?D. What means are being taken to ensure that the charism of the congregation willcontinue in the case of diminishing presence of your sisters in congregation ownedor sponsored institutions?E. What are your institute’s expectations for ministry in the future?
Meanwhile, there is only one question each on horarium (B4e) and clothing (B4g). Ministry gets and entire section not just one question.
I guess I don't see this as the witch-hunt that everyone else sees.
John, the sections you quote
John, the sections you quote above are not the ones in question by the US sisters. That is well addressed in other articles posted by NCR, so I won't detail them here. But I would like to add that while you don't see it as a "witchhunt," it is the manner in which the visitation is being conducted that is the problem. The Vatican has handled this as if it is an FBI probe into wrongdoing: shrouded in secrecy, the final report not available to those under question, using unidentified sources as the basis for the action in the first place, asking for information that is as private to the congregations as the same information is a highly guarded secret to the Vatican, with no indications whatsoever of any attempt to be truely helpful to the various orders involved. The Vatican acts as if it is the 15th century when it was a political power in Europe and was deeply involed in espionage. By conducting the visitation in this way, they automatically set it up as a "we vs you" when joining with the sisters in exploring current issues and challenges would have been welcomed by both religious and laity. You have seen on this blog itself the degree to which people have reacted to paulte's preference for punishment and overcontrolling of anyone who does not conform completely to his way of seeing the Church (a view unfortunately shared by Benedict XVI it seems). Paulte needs to hate so no one listens seriously to what he purports to be "the answer." However, if you were under investigation in the manner our beloved sisters are, I would hope you would do your very best to not succumb to the manipulations and outright deceptions that are being used in the process of this instrusive inquisition.
OK, John Michael, let's say
OK, John Michael, let's say it's not a witch hunt. Now, could you please cite for us the relevant passages informing this investigation that are taken from the foundational Vatican II document "Perfectae Caritatis"
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents...
which provided the blueprint and guiding light for the post-conciliar adaptation and renewal of most, if not all religious communities of both men and women, cuz I sure can't find any when I click on this:
http://www.apostolicvisitation.org/en/materials/index.html
So, let's compromise and simply say that the present Vatican regime has chosen to consciously IGNORE Vatican II and has instead "stacked the deck" against the sisters. Can you live with that?
I'm not sure what you mean by
I'm not sure what you mean by "informing" the investigation. Pastor Bonus 105-111 details the purview of this specific congregation. More specifically, article 108 says that this congregation "deals with everything which, in accordance with the law, belongs to the Holy See concerning the life and work of the institutes and societies, especially the approval of their constitutions, their manner of government and apostolate, the recruitment and training as well as the rights and obligations of members, dispensation from vows and the dismissal of members, and the administration of goods."
I don't see any of the itmes of the questionaire as being at odds with anything in Perfectae Caritatis. I don't remember whether the issue of oversight is addressed in Per. Car. at all, but it's not the place I would look for such information, as Per. Car. is not that kind of document. I'd be interested in specific items in the questionaire. I have to admit that I don't know that I see the need for this investigation, but I don't really see why everyone is so adamantly against it.
perhaps then you might do
perhaps then you might do well to read the article referenced in Sister Maureen Fiedler's recent article on the Oblate Sisters living elderly and abandoned (something which goes hand in hand in anglo America, apparently).
After a lifetime of absolute self-giving they now live in utter poverty, without heat and without food and without comfort.
When did our Church lose its heart? At the martyrdom of the First John Paul?
One thing about Liberals is
One thing about Liberals is they don't think straight. Another thing is that they read into things said. One only has to read the replies to my posts to note this. In my post above I made reference to the two great Commandments. I did not deny the second great Commandment which is the love of neighbor.
I was speaking about an inversion of the two where the love of neighbor is placed first. We can't speak of the love of God as only seen or practiced in the love of neighbor alone. We can and must love God directly and this is done through prayer, contemplation, pure intellection, mortification & self denial & the practice of all the virtues. In particular prayer & mortification are the wings by which the soul soars to God.
If you love God first and foremost you will follow through with a love of neighbor in charity. And let us not pat ourselves on the back too much if we do some good to our neighbor. If we do good as a result of grace then the credit belongs to God. Even paulte does some good since he instructs the ignorant which is a spiritual work of mercy!
A very happy Thanksgiving to all in the NCR community!
paulte
I think the visitation was
I think the visitation was prompted by the 2008 2007 LCWR assembly keynote address by Sister Laurie Brink, OP.
Sister Laurie said that some religious communities were “sojourning,” and such a group is “no longer ecclesiastical,” having “grown beyond the bounds of institutional religion.… Religious titles, institutional limitations, ecclesiastical authorities no longer fit this congregation, which in most respects is Post-Christian.”
Is it really so hard to imagine that the Vatican could ignore an organization that puts on a keynote speaker which essentially refutes not just the organizational/institutional aspects of the Church which they freely committed themselves to, but even the centrality of Christ to Christianity?
Remember, this was not an obscure remark in an article but it was the keynote speech at the organization's annual assembly.
Memo to Cardinal
Memo to Cardinal Rode:
"Unfortunately, some of those who have been most critical of the changes in religious life, from the monastic to the ministerial, are unaware of the biblical and historical foundations for these changes."
No excuse here for you, eminenza grigia, cuz after all, you did study in Paris at "La Catho" - DURING Vatican II, n'est-ce pas?
"Rodé took perpetual vows in 1957, then headed off for studies at the Gregorian University in Rome and the Institut Catholique in Paris. Especially in Paris, Rodé was exposed to the new ideas swirling in Catholicism in the period before the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) and then during the council itself."
cf. John Allen's interview:
http://ncronline.org/news/man-center-storms
After reading the news on the
After reading the news on the latest released report on child abuse/child sexual abuse in Ireland, one has to wonder why Rodé and his toadies aren't in Ireland investigating the religious orders (men and women) who ran schools & orphanages and committed so many of these heinous atrocities?? I believe most of them wore habits, too.
But Jesus also went out to a
But Jesus also went out to a "lonely place" to encounter God the Father intimately on numerous occasions. Yes, we can see God in all things and in all people, but as Ratzinger said, there is a contemplative aspect to encountering God that one does not generally find in God's creatures. Thus, the importance of contemplative prayer through Adoration, Holy Hours, home chapels, etc., as Mother Teresa did for hours every morning. She said that it was essential for her ministry, and that without that sustained prayer, she would not be able to do what she did, to minister to so many of the poor and ill. She often said she saw Jesus in everybody - but that did not mean she could skip contemplative prayer without detriment to both her relationship with God, and as a consequence, her relationship with others.
We must avoid, on the one hand, prayer that does not lead to loving our fellow man and to works of charity, and on the other hand, seeking to love God solely through our love for man and through charitable outreach, while neglecting personal and private prayer and our sacramental life.
I think this "dressing up" is
I think this "dressing up" is a very middle and upper-class foible. It was evidently not something that Christ and his disciples had much time for, yet the Jewish Establishment, the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees, we know, loved to wear opulent, distinctive apparel.
Is the Mass, the commemoration of Christ's crucifixion on our behalf, an appropriate occasion for the celebrant to "dress up"? Or would it be more appropriate for him to wear the humble apparel of a carpenter or an indigent, itinerant preacher, as he celebrates the sacrament?
In the worst periods of the history of the institutional Church, I have a very strong suspicion that the Mass was more about magnifying the celebrant qua Christ vis-a-vis the laity, than the Church's commemoration of Christ's unique sacrifice on Calvary for all of us, the celebrant included; and that Vatican II, notwithstanding, in its higher reaches, the Church is still somewhat wedded to this mindset.
Tangentially, I think it a shame that even missals and prayer-books are distinctively decorated. It would be nice to be able to worship on public vehicles without broadcasting it, wouldn't it?
Ex Ore Rode: CONGREGATION FOR
Ex Ore Rode:
CONGREGATION FOR INSTITUTES OF CONSECRATED LIFE AND
SOCIETIES OF APOSTOLIC LIFE
REFLECTION BY ARCHBISHOP FRANC RODÉ
ON OCCASION OF THE 40th ANNIVERSARY
OF "PERFECTAE CARITATIS"
Renewing Religious life, attaining "perfect love'
26-27 September 2005
"The Second Vatican Council was also, undoubtedly, a historical turning point in theological reflection on the consecrated life. No Ecumenical Council had ever spoken at such length and with such depth of this important charism in the Church."
"Thus, renewal of the consecrated life, as the Council described it, should be lived through a return to the sources that are represented primarily by Sacred Scripture, hence, by the very person of Christ, and subsequently by the authentic charism of founders."
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccscrlife/documents/rc_c...
To conduct an apostolic investigation of American women religious which ignores this foundational conciliar decree and
instead to litmus test them using the subsequent Apostolic Exhortation of Pope John II, "Vita Consecrata," -which itself totally ignores "Perfectae Caritatis"- is more than unfair, and betrays Rode's not-so-hidden agenda, if not a draconian and restorationist re-interpretation and misappropriation of the Pope's own words:
"The Church must always seek to make her presence visible in everyday life, especially in contemporary culture, which is often very secularized and yet sensitive to the language of signs. In this regard the Church has a right to expect a significant contribution from consecrated persons, called as they are in every situation to bear clear witness that they belong to Christ.Since the habit is a sign of consecration, poverty and membership in a particular Religious family, I join the Fathers of the Synod in strongly recommending to men and women religious that they wear their proper habit, suitably adapted to the conditions of time and place.Where valid reasons of their apostolate call for it, Religious, in conformity with the norms of their Institute, may also dress in a simple and modest manner, with an appropriate symbol, in such a way that their consecration is recognizable.Institutes which from their origin or by provision of their Constitutions do not have a specific habit should ensure that the dress of their members corresponds in dignity and simplicity to the nature of their vocation."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/docume...
It would appear that the good cardinal forgot what he said in Rome in 2005 by the time he got to the Stonehill Symposium in Boston in 2007.
Would this be yet another example of the so-called "hermeneutics of rupture," or simply a case of preaching to the CHOIR DU JOUR?
OOPS! Stonehill Symposium was
OOPS! Stonehill Symposium was on Sept. 27, 2008 not 2007.
http://www.stonehill.edu/x19255.xml
John Michael Anderson on Nov.
John Michael Anderson on Nov. 24, 2009.
You stated:
"Part B Section 5 of presents several questions regarding the various ministries and charisms of the orders:
5. Mission and ministry (Vita Consecrata, 55, 63, 72-83, 96-109; Starting Afresh from Christ,33-45; The Service of Authority and Obedience, 23-26; The Code of Canon Law, cann. 669; 671;673-683)A. What is the specific apostolic purpose of your institute as stated in yourConstitutions?B. Do you see the present apostolic endeavors of your religious institute as viable andeffective expressions of your charism and mission? C. Which current apostolic projects best represent the focus and purpose of yourcharism?D. What means are being taken to ensure that the charism of the congregation willcontinue in the case of diminishing presence of your sisters in congregation ownedor sponsored institutions?E. What are your institute’s expectations for ministry in the future?
Meanwhile, there is only one question each on horarium (B4e) and clothing (B4g). Ministry gets and entire section not just one question.
I guess I don't see this as the witch-hunt that everyone else sees."
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Yes, and when it comes to dealing with ministry---the religious congregations' constitutions deal with that aspect completely. The Vatican approved each and every congregations' constitution. In fact, the approval letter is contained in each and every copy of the congregation's constitutions. Therefore, the major superiors have every right to send back to the Vatican probers the pages of their constitutions which cite what those ministries are. If Cardinal Rode's office is suffering from amnesia as to what they approved---then maybe re-reading what they approved might triger a recollection.
Sorry----this is a sexist witch hunt if any ever has ever occured. Maybe Cardinal Rode and his office ought to investigate the Bishops of Ireland and what they did (as well as investigate other conferences of Bishops of the English speaking world). These sexual abuse crimes are crimes against humanity---way beyond doctrinal differences.
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